Post by Neverending on Nov 18, 2014 22:06:54 GMT -5
AUGUST 5, 2011
RISE OF THE PLANET OF THE APES
This movie is... AWESOME! I was shocked to say the least. Most of the film was the standard science vs. nature theme that we've seen in dozens and dozens of movies, but it works here because James Franco's character has his heart in the right place. You find yourself rooting for the guy. He just got unlucky, I guess. Now, I know some people are gonna complain about the ending since it's rather silly and ridiculously over-the-top, but I don't care. It was badass. Where else are you gonna see a gorilla leap from the Golden Gate Bridge into a helicopter?
RISE OF THE PLANET OF THE APES
This movie is... AWESOME! I was shocked to say the least. Most of the film was the standard science vs. nature theme that we've seen in dozens and dozens of movies, but it works here because James Franco's character has his heart in the right place. You find yourself rooting for the guy. He just got unlucky, I guess. Now, I know some people are gonna complain about the ending since it's rather silly and ridiculously over-the-top, but I don't care. It was badass. Where else are you gonna see a gorilla leap from the Golden Gate Bridge into a helicopter?
Doomsday
I'm gonna have to go against the grain on this one. It was a sham and let me tell you why:
Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes is not a good movie by any stretch of the imagination. However, there's one thing that movie did that this movie didn't. It took a chance. It tried to be unique and out there much like the original Planet of the Apes was. The original film used an ending that got in the faces of the audience. 'YOU'RE the bad guys. YOU did this. NUCLEAR WAR is what made this planet.' Kind of an unsettling thought to throw in the faces of the general masses, but that's what made it work as a science fiction movie. While Burton's film had no moral bearing, at least it tried to have a 'shock' kind of ending. Rise of the Planet of the Apes played it safe on every.single.level. When you come from a franchise that built itself on themes of human imperfection and self destruction, you owe it to your audience not to insult them. This movie was not only dumb with dumb characters making completely illogical decisions, but there was nothing to challenge the audience. In fact, apes didn't really take over anything, they more or less ran amok. And for a movie called 'Rise of the Planet of the Apes' which leads into a storyline of apes taking over the world, you'd expect seeing humans getting a beat down just a bit. Nope, in fact it's a virus that supposedly takes people down, apes just kinda move into the picture. So humans died off...by complete accident? I don't want to sound like a child, but where was this human/ape showdown? Oh it was on that little skirmish on the Golden Gate Bridge where nobody died! Again, nothing to challenge or shock or even amaze the audience, it preferred to play it safe. And how did they amass such a huge ape army? Only a handful were given the 'intelligence' serum to make them smarter. Would't the other apes just be running around like...apes? This was just an all around dumb movie that wasn't even that entertaining which was the least I was hoping for.
C- so says Doomsday, the minus due to the piss-poor at best special effects. I felt like I was watching Jumanji some of the time.
I'm gonna have to go against the grain on this one. It was a sham and let me tell you why:
Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes is not a good movie by any stretch of the imagination. However, there's one thing that movie did that this movie didn't. It took a chance. It tried to be unique and out there much like the original Planet of the Apes was. The original film used an ending that got in the faces of the audience. 'YOU'RE the bad guys. YOU did this. NUCLEAR WAR is what made this planet.' Kind of an unsettling thought to throw in the faces of the general masses, but that's what made it work as a science fiction movie. While Burton's film had no moral bearing, at least it tried to have a 'shock' kind of ending. Rise of the Planet of the Apes played it safe on every.single.level. When you come from a franchise that built itself on themes of human imperfection and self destruction, you owe it to your audience not to insult them. This movie was not only dumb with dumb characters making completely illogical decisions, but there was nothing to challenge the audience. In fact, apes didn't really take over anything, they more or less ran amok. And for a movie called 'Rise of the Planet of the Apes' which leads into a storyline of apes taking over the world, you'd expect seeing humans getting a beat down just a bit. Nope, in fact it's a virus that supposedly takes people down, apes just kinda move into the picture. So humans died off...by complete accident? I don't want to sound like a child, but where was this human/ape showdown? Oh it was on that little skirmish on the Golden Gate Bridge where nobody died! Again, nothing to challenge or shock or even amaze the audience, it preferred to play it safe. And how did they amass such a huge ape army? Only a handful were given the 'intelligence' serum to make them smarter. Would't the other apes just be running around like...apes? This was just an all around dumb movie that wasn't even that entertaining which was the least I was hoping for.
C- so says Doomsday, the minus due to the piss-poor at best special effects. I felt like I was watching Jumanji some of the time.
Neverending
I understand your point-of-view, but I disagree.
I understand your point-of-view, but I disagree.
JBond
Ditto. I think you're (Dooms) trying too hard to compare it to previous "Apes" films. I find this film a joy to watch because we see the evolution of apes to a sentient species (through Caeser). As for "all the other apes should be stupid" I thought that as well. Then I saw it a second time and remembered this isn't a smart serum, it's a virus. They "caught it" from other apes...just as the humans caught it from other humans but died instead of getting smarter.
This movie's theme isn't that nuclear war killed us, but that our carelessness and disrespect regarding technological progress did. Apes don't use technology, they use trees and nature (and don't destroy it), and are arguably a better fit for the dominant species of Earth. We "blew it all to hell!" just like in Heston's film.
Ditto. I think you're (Dooms) trying too hard to compare it to previous "Apes" films. I find this film a joy to watch because we see the evolution of apes to a sentient species (through Caeser). As for "all the other apes should be stupid" I thought that as well. Then I saw it a second time and remembered this isn't a smart serum, it's a virus. They "caught it" from other apes...just as the humans caught it from other humans but died instead of getting smarter.
This movie's theme isn't that nuclear war killed us, but that our carelessness and disrespect regarding technological progress did. Apes don't use technology, they use trees and nature (and don't destroy it), and are arguably a better fit for the dominant species of Earth. We "blew it all to hell!" just like in Heston's film.
Neverending
Here is the flaw with Doomsday's critique. The original Planet of the Apes wasn't about nuclear war. That was the first sequel, which wasn't even that good. The original just used nuclear war to explain what happened. It was a superficial element to the story. The real moral story in the original was racism. And that theme of racism was used for the remainder of the franchise, including the Tim Burton remake.
With this film, just to do something different, tackled animal rights. Which is also something the Tim Burton film alluded to. The whole virus thing, like nuclear war in the original, is just fluff. It's irrelevant.
Here is the flaw with Doomsday's critique. The original Planet of the Apes wasn't about nuclear war. That was the first sequel, which wasn't even that good. The original just used nuclear war to explain what happened. It was a superficial element to the story. The real moral story in the original was racism. And that theme of racism was used for the remainder of the franchise, including the Tim Burton remake.
With this film, just to do something different, tackled animal rights. Which is also something the Tim Burton film alluded to. The whole virus thing, like nuclear war in the original, is just fluff. It's irrelevant.
