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Post by frankyt on Mar 10, 2020 11:08:05 GMT -5
I liked it more than I thought I would. Heavy on the brother dynamics, some solid little jokes about the universe. Had assumed this would just be a meh production with soul being the focus of Pixar for the year, but this was pretty solid.
As good a dnd movie as those nerds will ever get. Had hoped for more of a metal soundtrack but it didn't really hold it back.
I'd watch a sequel if they made one.
6/10
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Post by frankyt on Mar 10, 2020 12:29:17 GMT -5
Oh but hands down probably the worst short of pixars career.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Mar 10, 2020 12:35:20 GMT -5
Pixar didn't make the short.
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Post by Dracula on Mar 20, 2020 19:52:24 GMT -5
Onward(3/10/2020)
What to make of the post-Toy Story 3 Pixar? This animation studio was considered to be something of a pinnacle of studio filmmaking during the 2000s when they put out movies like Ratatouille and Wall-E the critics used to routinely insist that they deserved Best Picture Oscar nominations but in the following decade they’ve been viewed as something more akin to the MCU: a cog in the Disney machine putting out product that isn’t to be respected too much even when it’s pretty good. The main thing that’s often blamed on this decline is their increased interest in putting out sequels to their earlier films, and indeed, six of the ten movies they put out during that period were sequels of varying degrees of quality. But critics haven’t been terribly jazzed about most of the original movies they put out either. Brave was probably the first of several Pixar movies this decade that was met with a sort of respectful but not overly impressed response despite probably being better than most of what their competitors were putting out. Coco was better received, but it still wasn’t like it was in the old days, and The Good Dinosaur was pretty much dismissed outright. Inside Out was the exception, people did view that one as something of a classic but even then there was a bit of a ceiling. But are these movies really so much worse than the other movies? I would argue they aren’t, rather I feel like the hype levels are closer to what they should have been all along, but there is something a little odd about the way Pixar seems to get held to a higher standard than most other Hollywood animation studios and the mild reception that their new original film Onward is emblematic of this.
The world of Onward is based on a question I’ve long contemplated: what will it be like when the a high fantasy world of the kind in Lord of the Rings or Game of Thrones discovers gunpowder, steam engines, and electricity and ends up being something more akin to the modern world but still filled with elves and dragons and the like. It’s an idea that was explored (by all accounts poorly) in the David Ayer film Bright but here we get a better realized version of such a place. The film is set in an unnamed country that used to be filled with knights and mages but the idea of “magic” was abandoned during a sort of industrial revolution and the place now looks like a modern American suburbia but populated entirely by various mythological creatures like centaurs, ogres, and pixies and with buildings that kind of reflect the world’s cultural origins. Our focus is on Ian Lightfoot (Tom Holland), a nightelf who has just turned sixteen and has the normal teenage problems of trying to fit in at school and being anxious about learning to drive. On the morning of his birthday his mother Laurel (Julia Louis-Dreyfus) informs Ian and his older brother Barley (Chris Pratt) that their long dead father had left the two of them a gift to be opened when both of them are sixteen. This gift is a mage staff, which greatly excites Barley as he is an avid player of a historically based role playing game (essentially Dungeons and Dragons) and is a big believer in magic, much to everyone else’s disdain. The staff has apparently been set up to bring the father back to life for twenty four hours, but something goes wrong when they try to use it and all that’s brought back are the father’s legs, which walk around aimlessly. To complete the spell they’re going to have to find another rare crystal, and finding that will require them to go on a quest that will test their bond.
Early on it seemed like the main theme of Onward was going to be tradition versus technology and that “magic” would act as a sort of stand-in for any number of debates that go around about new ways of doing things: film vs. digital, physical media vs. streaming, or perhaps most pertinently computer animation vs. hand drawn. There is enough there to kind of make that work as a through line. Barley’s fanatical devotion to the ways of old is certainly shown to have its limits but there are legitimately some things magic can do which “the new ways” can’t and it shouldn’t be dismissed. Maybe a few too many things. Given everything they’re able to do on this journey with rudimentary wizardly it does somewhat beggar belief that this society would abandon it entirely and it might have made sense to show a few more of the downsides of the magic arts. But really this becomes something of a secondary theme as the film goes on as it ultimately becomes a lot more interested in the relationship between the two brothers and their feelings about having lost a father at a very young age, which I think is a bit of a mistake as that whole relationship is not quite as interesting as the movie seems to think it is.
Despite that I still found the sheer world-building here to be really charming. Like I said before, this idea of fantasy worlds getting modern technology has been on my mind for a while and it was really fun seeing that very notion get fleshed out in a movie like this. Like, the movie has a character who’s a straight-up manticore, but she runs a family restaurant for a living and uses her past exploits as a theme for it. I certainly find that amusing, and there’s a lot of stuff like that in the movie, to the point where I’d probably welcome a sequel to this just to explore the place even more. There was also fun to be had with the basic adventure that the characters go on here. I do normally frown at the way Pixar seems to turn almost all of their movies into adventure narratives, but given the motif here it does fit. That’s not to say every part of the narrative is completely novel and interesting as there are passages that feel more bland than others, but I mostly had fun with it and it really seems weird to me that the movie has not really seemed to catch on with critics and audiences. It hasn’t been the best marketed film and its title is not the best, but this reception generally seems to be indicative of the double standard that Pixar gets held to at times.
***1/2 out of Five
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Post by Doomsday on Apr 3, 2020 11:03:10 GMT -5
This landed on Disney+, maybe I'll give it a spin this weekend.
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Post by IanTheCool on Apr 4, 2020 12:27:44 GMT -5
Onward is lesser Pixar; its hard to deny that. But its still pretty good. The premise is that a fantasy realm moves away from magic and becomes modernized. But now a family must reclaim that magic. It seems like there is a lot of fun things to explore, but I feel like we actually don't get a whole lot of world building where we see interesting ways these two worlds merge.
I also expected there to be more about how magic has left and the importance in bringing it back, but that's not there much either. There's some, like with the pixies and the manticore, but it doesn't feel significant. I keep thinking about Walle, and that brilliant thread woven through the film about how Walle inadvertently causes change wherever he goes. This felt like a very, very minor version of that.
The film is better in the second half. The first half definitely feels like it is lacking something, and it finds some spark of purpose in the last act. Its effective. I wish this was a fuller narrative with more theme, but its still fun. Eventually.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Apr 5, 2020 19:01:10 GMT -5
There are few annual certainties to look forward to in movies, where year after year a new release from a popular franchise or studio or even filmmaker or actor piques all of our interests and has us checking out the latest trailer. Pixar was certainly among the very few that could say that, building on their reputation as an animation powerhouse by seemingly releasing one hit after another almost on a yearly basis. While the studio's reputation hasn't wavered in the proceeding years, the notion that they're churning out one seminal classic after another has. Pixar has absolutely produced far more good than mediocre (I wouldn't say aside from the Cars sequels and their worst effort, The Good Dinosaur, that Pixar has ever made a product I'd label as bad), but there seems to be a bit of the dreaded assembly line connotation that's been applied to some of their films of late. The output has been a lot of ho-hum sequels to original works from their glory days mixed with original content that have already regressed into background of memorable Pixar moments. While the studio is still more than capable of exciting fans around the world, and last year's Oscar-winning Toy Story 4 shows they're far from having lost their signature touch, there does seem to be a suspicion of Pixar resting on their laurels and not breaking any new ground. A lot of this, in my opinion, is because they've been putting out two movies a year at times and the quality has suffered as a result. Well, 2020 is another year that they're following this approach, and the first of their entries for the year is Onward, a movie that has generated quite possibly the least amount of interest yet for Pixar despite being a decent entry. It's not a film that will shake the moniker that Pixar has lost a step, but it's also not going to send anyone into a panic that all is lost for the most successful animation studio either.
The concept of Onward is one that I'm sure tabletop game players and fantasy-genre aficionados alike have long pondered about where what if our modern world had its origins in something akin to Middle-Earth and we saw Elves, Dwarves, Orcs, and a host of other creatures moving on the primitive notion of magic and assimilated to our culture of cars, cellphones, and even public education. That's what the world of Onward is based on, where the luster of magic and quest chasing has long evaporated and the various anthropomorphized fantasy creatures prefer the simple life of electric stoves and gas-powered automobiles. While this is certainly an interesting, albeit hardly groundbreaking, idea I don't feel like the film ever lives up to its lofty premise as well as it should. Surely there has to be some legion of traditionalists that practice magic and yearn for the lore of old? We certainly have people rushing off gleefully to Renaissance fairs and Civil War reenactments in our world, so I don't really buy it. With the endless possibilities at their disposal with a free-flowing concept like this, Pixar feels like it's playing matters quite safely with Onward and the plot as a result never moves past charming and efficient.
Ian Lightfoot (Tom Holland) is an Elf who's a bit of an outcast at school and doesn't brim with a lot of self-confidence. It's his sixteenth birthday, and we learn from his mother, Laurel (Julia Louis-Dreyfus), that his father died when he was very young. Ian's older brother, Barley (Chris Pratt), seems to be the only person in this world that's still interested in the days of old, spending his time roleplaying in a game similar to Dungeons & Dragons and attempting to preserve historic sites from modernization. He serves as our information guide throughout the film, which works surprisingly well as he sort of supplants the archetype old teacher for the zany older brother who's informed but not always composed. Laurel tells Ian and Barley that their late father left them a present only to be opened when Ian turns sixteen, which turns out to be a wizard staff (that looks like it may have been stolen from Gandalf directly) packaged with a spell that can bring their father back to life for twenty-four hours. The spell is a halfway success as only the bottom part of their father's body comes back, and with little time to lose the brothers race off to find another gem that will complete the spell before they run out of time. That's really all there is to the storyline, a sort of glorified fetch quest scenario, but director Dan Scanlon knows this and keeps things moving at an efficient clip. There's not nearly as many scenarios or environments or even peril as you'd hope for, though there is a fun sequence where they meet the legendary Manticore (Octavia Spencer), who far removed from her days as a ferocious warrior is now using her brand to operate a glorified Chuck E. Cheese. There are clever moments like this throughout the script, but again nothing overly memorable either. Pratt does a lot of the heavy lifting comedy-wise, and even the body humor of their dad's legs never reaches the heights of even a Weekend at Bernie's sort of sophomoric chuckling.
And yet despite its many shortcomings, I never felt myself annoyed at Onward or overly dismayed as its lack of push. The film made me laugh on more than a few occasions, and despite being a fairly obvious proceeding of plot did surprise me with its climax. Pixar films may operate on a formula mostly, but they are still damn good at eliciting genuine emotion out of their storylines, oftentimes centering on the absence of a child-parent relationship that generally works very well. Onward carries this same sentimentality, but flips it just slightly in a manner that provides perhaps the one surprise the film has to offer. Hey, if you're gonna have one moment that's not by-the-numbers in a very by-the-numbers film, make it the climactic scene, and Onward does just that. Pixar hasn't capitalized on its fun concept as much as it should have, nor does this film reinvent the Pixar wheel in any fashion, but it's an enjoyable enough romp to merit a viewing as breezy escapism. Maybe we do tend to give Pixar movies more benefit of the doubt than other animation studios, but frankly even their mediocre outputs have a lot more life and authenticity than the cringe offerings of Blue Sky or Illumination, and, well, Pixar has earned it. Like most of its recent movies, Onward isn't going to be in the annals of Pixar greats, but it's good enough to be a service to the studio name, and sometimes that's just fine.
7/10
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Post by PhantomKnight on Apr 6, 2020 10:45:14 GMT -5
Onward has a really good premise that's brimming with potential...but while the movie's good, it's hard to deny that it never really takes full advantage of said potential. The emotional core of the story -- two sons wanting to get the opportunity to spend time with their Dad, who passed when they were young -- is certainly there, and you can tell that co-writer/director Dan Scanlon is drawing from personal experience there, which gives that plot point some legitimate weight. But the movie doesn't really begin to explore the depth of that until towards the end, and while it does do an effective job in mining the drama from it there with some really strong emotional moments, it still feels like that could've been spread throughout the movie better. The characters are charming, though, and help carry us through the movie and they get up to some amusing antics. But also, the world of Onward is yet another thing about the movie that seems to have untapped potential. It's certainly set up in a very interesting way, but it constantly feels like the movie is focusing on some of the lesser aspects of the world in order to go more for the laughs. Granted, there is some funny humor and the movie is consistently entertaining, but you can't help but feel like there's more being left on the table here. Overall, Onward is still another win for Pixar, but I just feel like a bit more fine-tuning could've helped it become one of the greats of the studio's repertoire.
***/****
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Post by daniel on Apr 16, 2020 13:11:18 GMT -5
This was charming and enjoyable. I'd give it a solid 7/10.
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