Terminator Geniesyths

You can say that about Star Trek as well after "Enterprise" screwed up the entire time-line, especially if you watch the series finale with Riker and Troi.

Damage was done way before Abrams showed up, if you think what he did was bad. If anything he was trying to get Star Trek back on track.

Getting it back on track by changing every element that made it what it was. Got it.

Since when did Star Trek not have wonderful scifi space battles and stories.

Nero coming and re-introducing these wonderful characters was changing elements?

In fact what Abrahms did was make people love these characters and why the original series was so be-loved in the first place.

All TNG movies had scifi space battles and action

Since when did Terminator not gave us Sarah Conner kicking ass and Arnold spouting one liners with high adrenline action sequences? Reintroducting us to beloved characters in a new timeline reminding us of why this franchise became so iconic in the first place?

Sorry...I should have put an obnoxious winky smiley after my previous post.

overreaction much. The argument of whether or not it's legendary status is stupid as Star Trek is 10 times the legend that the Terminator franchise is, but even YOU have to admit that Berman was the bombshell that drove Star Trek out for awhile. I am always curious for repeated naysayers where they would have taken the series. Clearly they long for what was, while acknowledging that the same thing they long for wasn't working (TNG movies and Berman). So... where do you take the franchise to reinvigorate it then? How would it look? And if anyone says The Next Generation __________, just give yourself an epic fail and don't bother. Shatner, Nimoy and crew weren't going to be possible (RIP Doohan), and they had to do something to reinsert drama, otherwise the outcomes were known. Granted, Orci and Kurtzman movies always feel a little shallow; but there were many elements to these reboots to be excited about passing the torch such as the cast and reinvigorated life of the franchise. There is great hope for Star Trek and the future where Berman almost destroyed that (would love to see a T1000 sent back in time for him). Maybe you didn't like everything about the movies per se (or much at all) but at least Star Trek now lives and gives us hope again for future good movies. Be happy about that at least.

Unfortunately, the conversation is simply on hold until either later, or another thread where it will resurface. You and I both know that.

Yeah or until Neverending ignites it again, whatever happens first it's what keeps us coming back.

It would be fascinating, at least people on here have reasoning to justify their arguments. I can't stand IMDB, it's just a bunch of "Boyhood is overrated, nothing happened!" "I'm going to give 'The Godfather' a 1 so it'll be lower than 'The Dark Knight'!" For every knowledgeable poster on there there's 100 idiots that even I can't argue with enough without being exasperated by the futility.

And then our forums get shut down.

...sorry.