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Post by Dracula on Nov 24, 2019 15:33:36 GMT -5
Knives Out(11/22/2019)I’m going to keep this one pretty short because talking about this movie at any length without spoilers would probably be a pain in the ass, though I’m not sure I have much to add by spoiling it either. This is not really a movie that was made to be analyzed so much as experienced. The film is a modern take on the drawing room mystery from writer/director Rian Johnson, who has become a rather polarizing figure after the release of his Star Wars film The Last Jedi. I wasn’t one of that film’s fans and had never really been won over by his previous films either; the guy is certainly a skilled technical filmmaker but he has a certain attitude and sense of humor that irks me. He’s part of a post Joss Whedon generation of filmmakers who embrace a certain brand of snark and cynicism and who seem to make movies that riff on cinematic conventions like they’re above it all. To some extent that’s still the problem here, but before we get into that let’s focus on the positive: the mystery at the center of this movie is very well constructed. I won’t get into too many details on this but the movie does a fairly clever thing where it reveals things about the central murder earlier than you expect and sort of adjusts what you view as the film’s central question. So there’s a sturdy skeleton holding the movie together but I’m a bit more mixed about how Johnson chooses to flesh things out from there. Much of the film is over the top, and to some extent it should be as a slightly heightened tone is necessary in order to make audiences go along with some of the film’s more outlandish plot twists but some of these quirks annoyed me more than they charmed me. In particular I really did not like Daniel Craig’s character or the ludicrous Southern accent he adopts. I also thought that a character trait involving honestly through regurgitation was pretty stupid and other elements like the décor of the murder victim’s wacky house didn’t really work for me. That said, some of Johnson’s jokes do land better than that and I don’t want to suggest that any of this was enough to completely wreck the movie for me as I did ultimately enjoy it quite a bit for what it does right and I suspect I’ll be in the minority about the bits I didn’t. *** out of Five / ***1/2 out of Five if I'm being generous
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Post by frankyt on Nov 26, 2019 23:15:06 GMT -5
Didn't love the humor here very much at all, think I'm out on future rj films. Certainly won't let the hype trick me again.
6/10 and that's being generous.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Nov 27, 2019 0:17:28 GMT -5
Quite possibly the most entertaining movie I've seen all year.
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Post by Deexan on Nov 27, 2019 5:44:30 GMT -5
This is The Last Jedi all over again.
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Post by Pbar on Dec 1, 2019 2:44:50 GMT -5
I will watch a Benoit Blanc franchise. Having said that, we need to stop overrating Rian Johnson.
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Post by IanTheCool on Dec 1, 2019 9:04:51 GMT -5
Oh I really liked it. As a mystery film, it worked very well. I liked the Clue feel to it, while also not being as straight forward as you would expect. Lots of fun, lots of cool details, strong performances.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Dec 3, 2019 21:55:22 GMT -5
I would have to imagine that as a Hollywood filmmaker there's probably no greater opportunity than being asked to direct a Star Wars film. It's the biggest franchise there is and likely ever will be, and being able to not only direct an entry to it but also write an original screenplay furthering the direct plot line of Luke Skywalker is something that most could only dream about let alone get to do. Well, for Rian Johnson that was the reality just a couple of years ago when he released Star Wars: The Last Jedi and his life changed forever. But even he couldn't have predicted that his life would change as it did; no doubt he knew his career would never be the same, but after putting out the most polarizing Star Wars film ever (a shock considering Disney has been pretty vanilla otherwise with their Star Wars entries) he was met with intense criticism and furious scorn. The man who rose to darling prominence directing some of the best episodes of Breaking Bad and the well liked features Brick and Looper was now in the eye of the storm. I was a big fan of Johnson as the choice to direct based on his credits I just listed, but I was not overly pleased with the results of The Last Jedi. On one hand it was the answer to everyone's cries about The Force Awakens being a retread of A New Hope, as The Last Jedi is clearly the boldest and riskiest Star Wars ever that I certainly have to give credit to Johnson for having the guts to attempt, but on the other hand I think that less worked than did in that movie. Still, no matter what one's opinion on The Last Jedi is, Rian Johnson won the battle as he's now pretty much got the green light to make any passion project he wants to, a much needed break for him I'm sure from the pressure cooker that is Star Wars. So now two years later we're treated to Johnson's latest film, Knives Out, which is a refreshingly modern take on a kind of movie we just really don't see much of anymore, harkening back to the star-studded whodunnits of Sidney Lumet's Murder on the Orient Express where the sheer A-list power of the cast outshines the thin mystery at the center. While Knives Out's cast doesn't boast the clout of having Sean Connery, Lauren Bacall, and Ingrid Bergman in the same frame, it's ripe with the same kind of idea of having a compelling mystery at the core idea of any of these big names could be the killer. While Knives Out isn't quite as clever as it should be due to stepping on its own toes one too many times, Rian Johnson has crafted a fun throwback film that's always entertaining and that I'm happy to see being made once again.
Harlan Thrombey (Christopher Plummer) is the patriarch of a large family who has amassed a fortune working as a prolific mystery writer, like a modern Agatha Christie. After a party at his estate celebrating his eighty-fifth birthday, Harlan is found dead with his throat slit, due apparently to suicide. The family is interviewed individually by police, including famous sleuth Benoit Blanc (Daniel Craig), and it becomes clear that while they're certainly troubled by Harlan's death, they're far more concerned with the enormous fortune that's now up in the air. Money is clearly what motivates their relationships to Harlan, and Johnson has made none of the family members very likable or redeemable in any fashion. Harlan's daughter, Linda (Jamie Lee Curtis), and her husband, Richard (Don Johnson), both want the estate and the continued flow of cash to keep their business intact and their spoiled son, Ransom (Chris Evans), en tow. Harlan's son, Walt (Michael Shannon), heads the publishing company and has clashed with his father about expanding the brand to movies, audio books, whatever he can to milk the mysteries for all they're worth. Everyone in the family is painted by their dubious motivations and backstabbing gossip of one another, all of which Blanc notes with his southern drawl and musings. But at the real center of all this is Harlan's caretaker, Marta (Ana de Armas), who plays the largest role in the mystery and serves as the viewer's detective, attempting to corral the mystery of Harlan's death as well as the family's bickering.
Without getting into spoilers, it's certainly easy to admire what Johnson has pulled off here. It's not a mystery predicated solely on a final twist, but rather continually shifts elements on the viewer so that even when Marta thinks she's got it all sorted out another curveball gets thrown into the mix and we're back on the trail. The final sort of reveal itself though is a bit predictable, and it's odd that Johnson doesn't lean on Harlan as the mystery writer with a flair for the dramatics to be more involved in crafting this whole affair as one might have expected. It seems like a lost opportunity that Harlan could have made that would both offer up a satisfying little game he concocted while also needling his greedy family, but instead Knives Out is predicated on quite a bit of convenience that even Benoit Blanc can't entirely explain away. Knives Out also suffers from the same issue the Lumet's Murder on the Orient Express does, in that the mystery isn't so much solved through action but explanation. It's a lot of Blanc telling us the aha moments and not as much of Johnson showing us them as one would like, as it takes the viewer out of figuring out the mystery and leaving it to the onscreen sleuth that we're slightly removed from. This format works to an extent, learning about characters through interview-style questionings and figuring out the red herrings and obvious suspects from there, but Knives Out doesn't expand on the family members much outside of the initial introductions and it becomes clear that as tightly woven as the twists themselves are that Johnson doesn't have as much up his sleeve as you might hope for. Similarly to Lumet's Murder on the Orient Express, we've got a massive ensemble cast here that isn't really given a whole lot to do and are all pretty similar to one another in the end. While the whole affair of Knives Out is always a lot of fun, it's hard not to examine all the pieces laid out on the board and not feel a bit underwhelmed at what could have been.
Despite my issues with some of the plot and a lack of imagination when it comes to constructing the dynamics of the Thrombey family, Knives Out is certainly a delight to watch, which is exactly what it's constructed to be. The performances all around are fantastic, and seeing so many veteran actors squabble and chew scenery with one another is a blast. It's never as funny or quirky as it could be, but then again it's not entirely a bad thing that Johnson has reigned his cast in so the events never border on parody either. Johnson throws a lot of ideas out there, some of which don't stick especially when the film attempts to bring contemporary political issues into the fold, but despite some shortfalls the mystery at the core of it all is one that's simple yet very well constructed all the same. While your jaw won't end up on the floor after all of the twists have been revealed, Knives Out scores points for being such a well handled and entertaining yarn that Hollywood either doesn't make anymore or makes very poorly these days. It's a crowd pleaser that's expertly crafted by Rian Johnson, and is a delightful throwback to the Hollywood of old that I'd certainly welcome more of.
7/10
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Post by Deexan on Dec 7, 2019 19:52:20 GMT -5
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Post by donny on Dec 9, 2019 9:26:27 GMT -5
Decent flick. Johnson should definitely focus his attention to non Star Wars stories. I think it lost a little bit of steam midway through, when part of the mystery was solved. At that point, some of the story beats and characters decisions felt obvious.
Really cool cinematography though and some decent dialogue, but I don't think it's one of the years best.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Dec 9, 2019 11:23:27 GMT -5
To get the one really big negative of Knives Out out of the way first: this is a murder mystery where the mystery really isn't much of a mystery. I can't tell if it was intentional or not, but Rian Johnson doesn't do all that good of a job concealing who the perp is. It occurred to me pretty early on who it was going to be but I sat there thinking, "Well, maybe it's just a big red herring and there's going to be a twist." Nope. It turned out to be just who I thought it would. Bit of a disappointment, in all honesty, because I was expecting something more clever. On the other hand...the strength of characterization in Knives Out is just so much damn fun, that I can forgive the lackluster reveal. While the mystery itself may leave something to be desired, all of the various characters and their interactions with one another are very entertaining. Seeing everybody go at each other's throats here results in some very good humor and it resultingly gives the film a very fun energy. Daniel Craig and Chris Evans in particular you can tell are having a blast letting loose in their roles, and Craig himself is so good as Benoit Blanc that I wouldn't mind seeing more movie with that character. Ana de Armas is also a standout, since she's basically the lead of this whole thing. The whole cast is uniformly good, really, and they're very dialed in to the quirky tone Johnson is going for. And on that front, Knives Out proves to be successful.
***1/2 /****
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Post by IanTheCool on Dec 9, 2019 18:33:57 GMT -5
Moviebuff's entire first paragraph was bragging about how smart he is.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Dec 9, 2019 21:40:41 GMT -5
Moviebuff's entire first paragraph was bragging about how smart he is. I know. It’s weird. Usually, that’s Dracula‘s job. In all seriousness though, I’m not the only one who’s had that criticism.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Dec 10, 2019 15:57:29 GMT -5
Who would've thought a Rian Johnson film would be one we all universally agree on two years removed from Last Jedi.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 10, 2019 16:56:31 GMT -5
Who would've thought a Rian Johnson film would be one we all universally agree on two years removed from Last Jedi. It’s impossible to hate a movie starring Ana de Armas.
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Post by Pbar on Feb 26, 2020 13:54:20 GMT -5
Who would've thought a Rian Johnson film would be one we all universally agree on two years removed from Last Jedi. We don't universally agree on this.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Feb 26, 2020 14:54:04 GMT -5
Who would've thought a Rian Johnson film would be one we all universally agree on two years removed from Last Jedi. We don't universally agree on this. Critics and audiences sure liked it. I don't think it's amazing by any means, as indicated by my review above, but it's undoubtedly a crowd pleaser that's the opposite of polarizing like The Last Jedi.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 26, 2020 16:43:56 GMT -5
We don't universally agree on this. Critics and audiences sure liked it. I don't think it's amazing by any means, as indicated by my review above, but it's undoubtedly a crowd pleaser that's the opposite of polarizing like The Last Jedi. The Last Jedi needed more Ana De Armas
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Feb 26, 2020 18:12:50 GMT -5
Critics and audiences sure liked it. I don't think it's amazing by any means, as indicated by my review above, but it's undoubtedly a crowd pleaser that's the opposite of polarizing like The Last Jedi. The Last Jedi needed more Ana De Armas And less green milk. Unless she was the one producing it...
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Post by 1godzillafan on Feb 26, 2020 19:10:02 GMT -5
Right now I'm imagining sets SnoBorderZero works on with the common phrase of "Stop milking the actresses, goddammit!"
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Post by Neverending on Feb 26, 2020 19:39:48 GMT -5
He’s not allowed to work with Florence Pugh.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Feb 27, 2020 14:22:11 GMT -5
He’s not allowed to work with Florence Pugh. I can, just has to be from a court determined distance.
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Post by Neverending on May 21, 2020 13:07:02 GMT -5
Coming to Amazon Prime on June 12
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