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Post by daniel on Oct 12, 2019 15:24:49 GMT -5
I was treated to this movie for free, and told someone beforehand I was 99% sure Will Smith was going to get betrayed by his government (given away in the trailers), have some shootouts with his clone, give some riveting speech, and succeed in having his clone join him to fight back against said government, only to have another clone pop out at the end to fight them both. I wasn't wrong about anything, and I should have hated the movie for being so paint-by-the-numbers, but I have to give Ang Lee credit for taking an extremely thin plot and directing it quite well. The action scenes were plentiful, and they kept the film entertaining and engaging even though you knew exactly where it was going, kind of like an exhilarating rollercoaster. Still, I can't recommend any of you run out to go see it, and I would expect this movie to be eviscerated by most critics (As it has been on RT), but it's watchable if you don't have other options and need to get out. Also, Mary Elizabeth Winstead did well. 5/10
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Post by daniel on Oct 12, 2019 15:25:29 GMT -5
I messed up the poll and put two 3 score options. Oops.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Oct 13, 2019 0:01:17 GMT -5
I enjoyed it.
Third act went straight into The 6th Day territory though.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Oct 13, 2019 0:12:42 GMT -5
Still figuring out exactly where I land on this. The direction and action were very good and the acting was on-point, but man, that script was basic and predictable. At the same time, though, I was never bored nor did the film really annoy me or anything. But really, if they'd been trying to make this since the 90's, couldn't they have punched up the script a little more?
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Post by daniel on Oct 13, 2019 2:07:22 GMT -5
I'm really am with y'all, and I know a 5 seems harsh, but it's an average score for me, similar to a 2/4 stars scale.
The action really was good, the acting as well, and Ang Lee directed very well. The story was just so paint-by-numbers that I knew how it was all going to play out scene-to-scene. That said, I agree with Phantom that I was never bored and enjoyed myself. Comparing this to 6th Day is fair - that's another movie that was pretty unremarkable, but altogether entertaining.
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Post by Dracula on Oct 13, 2019 7:25:50 GMT -5
Gemini Man(10/10/2019)
I was not expecting much from Gemini Man, which is an odd thing to say from a movie directed by Ang Lee and featuring a major star like Will Smith, but the trailer really looked awful and the film’s Rotten Tomatoes score is very low. I had pegged Lee’s continued obsession with high frame rate presentation as the thing that was probably going to torpedo the movie, which was by all accounts the thing that killed his last film Billy Lynn’s Long Halftime Walk. My first (and until now only) experience with high frame rate presentation was from seeing The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey in 60 fps back in 2012 which, ironically enough, was a film I saw on the very same day I saw Ang Lee’s Life of Pi which is likely the movie which convinced Ang Lee that he should be a technological innovator in the first place. That viewing of that Hobbit movie was, in many ways, one of the worst theatrical experiences I can remember and I spent most of the movie wishing I’d just seen it in a regular theater (or not seen it at all, frankly). If any movie was going to be a terrible showcase for the technology it was going to be that one since it invited an apples-to-apples comparison to the previous Lord of the Rings movies and because its medieval fantasy setting invited a certain traditionalist approach. I could tell that the 3D was a little smoother than usual but that was a movie that probably shouldn’t have been in 3D at all and the drawbacks to the format like the fact that it makes everyone on screen look like they’re moving at something like 1.25x speed at times and that it gives the whole film a sort of sterile look like you’re watching a British soap opera or something.
So it was with some surprise that the thing I dreaded most about the film, the tech, was the thing I ended up being most interested by. I don’t know if the difference between 60 and 120 frames was the difference or if the technology has just gotten better in the last seven years or if the movie was just significantly more suited to it, but the presentation was way more intriguing this time around. I say “intriguing” and “interesting” rather than “good” because for me the jury is still very much out on this and there are only a limited number of movies I’d actually want it used for, but this time around I did finally kind of see why filmmakers like Lee, Jackson, and Cameron were chasing this technology. The 3D in the movie seems a lot deeper than what you usually see from 3D movies and you really seem to see the characters and a lot of detail right down to every pore on their face. It almost looked less like a movie and more like some kind of VR video game experience, which is both a good and a bad thing. The movements of the characters is still unusual, you don’t notice it this the whole way through but every once in a while some of the onscreen movement will just seem unnaturally faster than what you expect in movies, but during certain action scenes this actually ramps things up.
Now I’ve talked almost exclusively about this film’s presentation technology to this point because it is frankly the most interesting aspect of what is otherwise a painfully mediocre Bourne Identity ripoff movie. As I’m sure most are aware, the big high concept here is that it’s a movie where Will Smith is an assassin who has to face off against a younger version of himself who is presumably a clone. That is of course its own technological challenge as they’re using de-aging technology to bring this younger Will Smith to life, and the do a reasonably acceptable job of doing it. You do see the seams there and you certainly sense that you’re looking at a special effect while he’s on screen (Captain Marvel remains the gold standard for this technology, at least until I get a look at The Irishman), but technologically it’s acceptable. What’s less acceptable is Will Smith’s performance in these scenes. As the older version of the character Smith is basically doing a variation on what he usually does when he’s in relatively somber movies and he’s fine at it, but he really doesn’t seem to know what to do when playing the younger version and never finds the right voice or find an interesting way to turn down his usual confidence. The movie also doesn't do anything wildly interesting thematically with this setup beyond what giving older Will Smith some really under-developed “regrets” and giving younger Will Smith some lame daddy issues with his creator. Otherwise the whole thing is totally cookie cutter. Some of the action scenes are impressive, in part because they’re being given a lot of extra punch by the 3D, but some of them are a lot less effective than others.
On some level I’m glad that Ang Lee is using this nothing of a film in order to act as a guinea pig for his technological experimentation rather than applying it to a movie with real potential for which it would largely be a distraction, but what I really want is for him to stop pretending he’s James Cameron and get back to making small movies about emotions. That or maybe make an action movie with more of a human touch like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, because with or without technical wizardry Gemini Man is plainly beneath him. Actually it’s beneath a lot of people; the screenplay has apparently been bouncing around Hollywood since the late 90s and it does feel kind of dated as a result. It’s one of a lot of spy movies from the 2000s that used rogue fictional spy agencies as the villains because they couldn’t find an international enemy of interest at the time and also didn’t quite have the balls to suggest that the actual CIA might be evil. In general its conception of how espionage works is idiosyncratic; too ridiculous to claim any sort of realism but not fantastical enough to be particularly fun. It’s also got some really bad on-the-nose dialogue and boring characters. I’d normally implore people to not waste their time on such a movie until it’s on HBO or something, but I can’t this time because the only real reason to see this thing at all is because of the visuals and how they play out in 120 FPS 3D and I suspect from the trailer that the movie’s going to kind of look like crap in any other format. So if and only if you’re curious about the tech give the movie a look if you can do so cheaply, otherwise just skip it. ** out of Five
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Post by Deexan on Oct 13, 2019 10:35:35 GMT -5
Drac went in hard.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Oct 13, 2019 11:01:14 GMT -5
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Post by Dracula on Oct 13, 2019 11:12:42 GMT -5
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Post by PhantomKnight on Oct 13, 2019 11:34:08 GMT -5
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Post by frankyt on Oct 24, 2019 8:40:03 GMT -5
Story is a 2/10 for USA, but the fact that they chirping about cloning and shit as a Chinese production company raises it to.... Eh 2.5/10.
The tech was decent, young Willy looked really good one moment and absurdly silly the next. This movie will not age well, but that's to be predicted.
I thought the fight scenes with the digital character was so off putting looking, like they don't know how to make a cg character punch a real character effectively. And matching the digital characters lip movements proved to be impossible if you really looked closely.
I only saw it in 60fps and it was good looking, I'd recommend seeing it if you're at all interested in 3d tech but don't expect anything special as a movie. Some of the camera angles and tricks Lee uses are questionable, specifically I'm remembering when Winstead meets young Willy in a courtyard in Budapest where it zooms in on her as she and us the viewer are supposed to be shocked at his appearance.
Give it the ole meh/10. Round abouts a 4/10 for me.
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Post by Neverending on Oct 28, 2019 21:30:33 GMT -5
It’s whatever.
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