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Post by Deexan on Oct 16, 2019 2:42:31 GMT -5
While Mr. Cooper is a real human being and a real hero, this is not the first time I've disagreed with him about something.
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Post by IanTheCool on Oct 24, 2019 8:13:11 GMT -5
A part of me wonders, at what point is a comic book movie not a comic book movie? I'm not exactly sure what I'm trying to say here, but lets use star wars as an example. When Rogue One came out a lot of people were praising it, saying "it feels more like a war film than a Star Wars film". Then I'd often hear comments like "I hope they expand the universe to make different types of movies just set in the Star Wars universe?"
My reaction to these is, then why make them a Star Wars movie at all! If you are trying to actively get rid of the the DNA that makes them that type of film, why bother?
I sort of feel that way here. This is going so far away from what comic book movies usually are, why make it a comic book movie? And its not a case of "deconstructing the comic book movie". We've had lots of those too, and thats not what this it. This is a Scorsese movie with a comic villain. Why??
Of course, I know the answer is$, and the studio needs to tack on a previously known character to feel secure these days. But we the audience are the ones accepting this. Why?
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Post by PhantomKnight on Oct 24, 2019 8:52:10 GMT -5
I think we're accepting of it in this case because the Scorsese approach feels like it works with the character of The Joker because he's someone who could've conceivably come from a Travis Bickle-like background. And this movie is just rolling with that idea. I personally don't mind at all the fact that they made something like this out of a comic book property, because it shows how much the genre is able to grow/change instead of risking becoming staid. After so many years of the MCU -- which still has plenty of good movies, mind you -- I gotta be honest. If given the choice between another movie like Joker or another MCU movie, I'm gonna go with the former to see what else people can do with the genre.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Oct 24, 2019 9:07:03 GMT -5
If it's based on a comic book, it's a comic book movie.
Road to Perdition, American Splendor, Ghost World, and A History of Violence are comic book movies. Some will deny it up and down, but themz da facts.
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Post by IanTheCool on Oct 24, 2019 20:26:27 GMT -5
If it's based on a comic book, it's a comic book movie. Road to Perdition, American Splendor, Ghost World, and A History of Violence are comic book movies. Some will deny it up and down, but themz da facts. Those aren't what I'm talking about
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Post by IanTheCool on Oct 24, 2019 20:30:17 GMT -5
I think we're accepting of it in this case because the Scorsese approach feels like it works with the character of The Joker because he's someone who could've conceivably come from a Travis Bickle-like background. And this movie is just rolling with that idea. I personally don't mind at all the fact that they made something like this out of a comic book property, because it shows how much the genre is able to grow/change instead of risking becoming staid. After so many years of the MCU -- which still has plenty of good movies, mind you -- I gotta be honest. If given the choice between another movie like Joker or another MCU movie, I'm gonna go with the former to see what else people can do with the genre. And thats fine. If the movie wasn't based on the joker, would you still see it? And would that improve or diminish the film?
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Post by PhantomKnight on Oct 24, 2019 20:41:45 GMT -5
I would still see it, cause how often do we get this kind of mid-budget adult-oriented fare from major studios nowadays? And if Arthur didn't become The Joker, I'd still be just as caught up in it. But what you seem to be arguing against is the very thing I and many others appreciated about this movie -- that they were able to take such a different approach to a well-established comic character and that the approach worked.
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Post by Neverending on Oct 25, 2019 5:32:29 GMT -5
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Post by mikeyb on Oct 25, 2019 16:59:12 GMT -5
Finally got round to seeing this tonight. Was very good but wouldn't call it a masterpiece or anything. Phoenix was amazing in it. 8/10
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Post by mikeyb on Oct 25, 2019 17:03:58 GMT -5
Ooops double post
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Post by Neverending on Nov 6, 2019 5:05:26 GMT -5
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Post by Neverending on Nov 8, 2019 21:04:17 GMT -5
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Post by Wyldstaar on Nov 9, 2019 0:17:22 GMT -5
Well, Hollywood math is notoriously subjective and murky. What's more, a term like, "most profitable comic book movie ever" is even more open to interpretation. While it's certainly true that Joker made a truly impressive amount of cash at the box office on a modest budget, the money from the box office is the only money being made by WB. They aren't selling any action figures, lunch boxes or video games thanks to this film. Kids aren't going to pester their parents to buy a copy of Joker that they can watch over and over again. Joker is certainly a notch in the win column for WB, and whats more, it strikes a strong contrast with the competition at Disney. It's the kind of movie Disney is never going to make, because there's not enough money in it. Disney isn't satisfied with just a strong box office showing. They want a movie that can double as a commercial for all the cool merch they're peddling at your local store.
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Post by Neverending on Nov 9, 2019 0:19:48 GMT -5
Well, Hollywood math is notoriously subjective and murky. What's more, a term like, "most profitable comic book movie ever" is even more open to interpretation. While it's certainly true that Joker made a truly impressive amount of cash at the box office on a modest budget, the money from the box office is the only money being made by WB. They aren't selling any action figures, lunch boxes or video games thanks to this film. Kids aren't going to pester their parents to buy a copy of Joker that they can watch over and over again. Joker is certainly a notch in the win column for WB, and whats more, it strikes a strong contrast with the competition at Disney. It's the kind of movie Disney is never going to make, because there's not enough money in it. Disney isn't satisfied with just a strong box office showing. They want a movie that can double as a commercial for all the cool merch they're peddling at your local store. Warner Bros made a killing at Halloween.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Nov 9, 2019 2:10:53 GMT -5
WB reportedly did quite well with a clown this Halloween, but it wasn't The Joker. The #1 costume this year was WB's other clown, Pennywise.
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Post by Neverending on Nov 9, 2019 3:17:13 GMT -5
WB reportedly did quite well with a clown this Halloween, but it wasn't The Joker. The #1 costume this year was WB's other clown, Pennywise. Yeah, those Sexy Pennywise costumes were everywhere but Joker was a close #2.
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Post by Dracula on Nov 9, 2019 7:15:07 GMT -5
WB reportedly did quite well with a clown this Halloween, but it wasn't The Joker. The #1 costume this year was WB's other clown, Pennywise. Yeah, those Sexy Pennywise costumes were everywhere but Joker was a close #2. You probably don't need official merch to dress up as the Joker. You can just put on some funky old suit your dad bought in the 70s then get some generic white face paint and a wig and then you're good.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Nov 9, 2019 10:28:03 GMT -5
Dracula is correct, except there's no probably about it. Rubies owns the licensing rights to sell costumes based on DC characters, and this year they sold a costume for just about every version of the Joker ever made, except for Joaquin Phoenix. ALL of the Arthur Fleck versions sold this past Halloween are knock-offs, or outfits folks put together from the goodwill store. I'm sure they'll have something by next year, but this year they had nothing. Rubies Joker Costumes
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Post by Neverending on Nov 9, 2019 11:22:27 GMT -5
Yeah, those Sexy Pennywise costumes were everywhere but Joker was a close #2. You probably don't need official merch to dress up as the Joker. You can just put on some funky old suit your dad bought in the 70s then get some generic white face paint and a wig and then you're good. Dracula is correct, except there's no probably about it. Rubies owns the licensing rights to sell costumes based on DC characters, and this year they sold a costume for just about every version of the Joker ever made, except for Joaquin Phoenix. ALL of the Arthur Fleck versions sold this past Halloween are knock-offs, or outfits folks put together from the goodwill store. I'm sure they'll have something by next year, but this year they had nothing. Rubies Joker Costumeslol... www.amazon.com/Joaquin-Phoenix-Costume-Arthur-Cosplay/dp/B07XWDC3H2
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Post by Wyldstaar on Nov 9, 2019 12:31:59 GMT -5
You probably don't need official merch to dress up as the Joker. You can just put on some funky old suit your dad bought in the 70s then get some generic white face paint and a wig and then you're good. Dracula is correct, except there's no probably about it. Rubies owns the licensing rights to sell costumes based on DC characters, and this year they sold a costume for just about every version of the Joker ever made, except for Joaquin Phoenix. ALL of the Arthur Fleck versions sold this past Halloween are knock-offs, or outfits folks put together from the goodwill store. I'm sure they'll have something by next year, but this year they had nothing. Rubies Joker Costumeslol... www.amazon.com/Joaquin-Phoenix-Costume-Arthur-Cosplay/dp/B07XWDC3H2Yeah, that's a knock-off dude. There are loads of them all over Amazon. That particular one clearly states that it's made by a company called X-Costume. That particular company was even careful enough to call it a "Joaquin Phoenix Clown Costume Suit for Arthur Fleck Cosplay 2019". There are plenty of others out there who are more than happy enough to violate WB's copyright and simply call them Joker costumes, like these guys, or these guys for example. That doesn't change the fact that WB isn't seeing a dime from them.
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Post by Neverending on Nov 9, 2019 13:00:49 GMT -5
Yeah, that's a knock-off dude. There are loads of them all over Amazon. That particular one clearly states that it's made by a company called X-Costume. That particular company was even careful enough to call it a "Joaquin Phoenix Clown Costume Suit for Arthur Fleck Cosplay 2019". There are plenty of others out there who are more than happy enough to violate WB's copyright and simply call them Joker costumes, like these guys, or these guys for example. That doesn't change the fact that WB isn't seeing a dime from them. Except free publicity on their $900-million grossing film.
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Post by Neverending on Nov 15, 2019 17:42:14 GMT -5
Doomsday PG Cooper PhantomKnight Wyldstaar DraculaThe Joker is the first R-rated movie to gross $1 Billion. It also has the smallest budget of all Billion dollar grossers. I guess... that makes it the most profitable? And it did it without China.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Nov 15, 2019 19:09:09 GMT -5
Doomsday PG Cooper PhantomKnight Wyldstaar Dracula The Joker is the first R-rated movie to gross $1 Billion. It also has the smallest budget of all Billion dollar grossers. I guess... that makes it the most profitable? And it did it without China. Managing such a feat without China is the real kicker. Strong word of mouth is always the best marketing campaign. Joker would probably be making another $50 million if WB was getting the money from all the bootleg copies that are no doubt circulating all over China.
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Post by Dracula on Nov 16, 2019 22:28:07 GMT -5
There's apparently a Twitter account dedicated to changing out the music from the stairway scene
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