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Post by Neverending on Sept 28, 2019 0:19:29 GMT -5
Obviously Disney had to back out and work with Sony. Disney has no one left thats remotely interesting in the avengers series. You think people would come to see a Marvel movie with Captain Marvel Black Panther and low key heroes like Dr. Strange. Shit Disney NEEDS Spider-man in the MCU or else it will fall apart. Cap and Iron Man were the biggest reasons people showed up to see Avengers. Is this sarcasm? It seems like it ought to be sarcasm, but it's not coming across as sarcasm. sshuttari is a Russian bot.
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Post by FShuttari on Sept 28, 2019 2:33:42 GMT -5
No I really don't think the mass audiences will watch Avengers without Iron Man and Cap.
I think Spider-Man is the only other big name left in the MCU to keep the Avengers alive and going.
I could be wrong. But Disney/Sony both benefit working with each others universe.
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Post by Deexan on Sept 28, 2019 4:10:37 GMT -5
That's exactly what a bot would say.
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Post by Dracula on Sept 28, 2019 5:58:59 GMT -5
No I really don't think the mass audiences will watch Avengers without Iron Man and Cap. I think Spider-Man is the only other big name left in the MCU to keep the Avengers alive and going. I could be wrong. But Disney/Sony both benefit working with each others universe. Black Panther and Captain Marvel both make kind of a lot of money, in fact both of them outgrossed any Spider-Man movie.
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Post by Deexan on Sept 28, 2019 6:24:42 GMT -5
Cuz dey be woke.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Sept 28, 2019 7:38:16 GMT -5
No I really don't think the mass audiences will watch Avengers without Iron Man and Cap. I think Spider-Man is the only other big name left in the MCU to keep the Avengers alive and going. I could be wrong. But Disney/Sony both benefit working with each others universe. Black Panther and Captain Marvel both make kind of a lot of money, in fact both of them outgrossed any Spider-Man movie. You're neglecting the fact that Captian Marvel ACTUALLY totally bombed because the incels Brie Larson pissed off boycotted the movie despite seeing the movie to bitch about how much they hated it.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Sept 28, 2019 9:37:33 GMT -5
No I really don't think the mass audiences will watch Avengers without Iron Man and Cap. I think Spider-Man is the only other big name left in the MCU to keep the Avengers alive and going. I could be wrong. But Disney/Sony both benefit working with each others universe. It is certainly true that Disney and Sony have more to gain by working together on Spider-Man. That said however, Marvel Studios has already clearly established that even the most obscure of characters can be turned into box office gold in the hands of the right creative team. Before Marvel Studios began making movies, Iron Man, Captain America and Thor were all B-List characters. Calling The Guardians of the Galaxy C-List was being generous. As for keeping The Avengers alive and going, that isn't really necessary. Team-ups are fun, and I'm sure they will continue to happen. I suspect those team-ups are going to be more along the lines of Thor & Hulk in Thor: Ragnarok than an Avengers scale team for the immediate future.
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Post by Neverending on Sept 28, 2019 10:19:19 GMT -5
No I really don't think the mass audiences will watch Avengers without Iron Man and Cap. I think Spider-Man is the only other big name left in the MCU to keep the Avengers alive and going. I could be wrong. But Disney/Sony both benefit working with each others universe. It is certainly true that Disney and Sony have more to gain by working together on Spider-Man. That said however, Marvel Studios has already clearly established that even the most obscure of characters can be turned into box office gold in the hands of the right creative team. Before Marvel Studios began making movies, Iron Man, Captain America and Thor were all B-List characters. Calling The Guardians of the Galaxy C-List was being generous. As for keeping The Avengers alive and going, that isn't really necessary. Team-ups are fun, and I'm sure they will continue to happen. I suspect those team-ups are going to be more along the lines of Thor & Hulk in Thor: Ragnarok than an Avengers scale team for the immediate future. I'm almost certain there won't be an Avengers movie in Phase 4, which makes sshuttari's argument completely pointless.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Sept 28, 2019 12:47:17 GMT -5
There won't be an Avengers movie because they are setting up the West Coast Avengers movie. Totally different franchise.
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Post by Neverending on Sept 28, 2019 14:53:46 GMT -5
There won't be an Avengers movie because they are setting up the West Coast Avengers movie. Totally different franchise. Led by Shang Chi and Shane Gillis.
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Post by FShuttari on Sept 28, 2019 15:16:55 GMT -5
There won't be an Avengers movie because they are setting up the West Coast Avengers movie. Totally different franchise. Even if they setup a new Avengers movie do you think it will be as good as the original Avengers movies? Or as popular? I highly doubt these new future Avengers movies will ever be as good or box office juggernauts that the previous has been. Hell I think Infinity War making pass 2 billion will ever be touched for a while by any superhero movie. Endgame box office profit??? Absolutely not, that record is going to stay put with, no other MCU movie ever touching it or surpassing it.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Sept 28, 2019 16:31:21 GMT -5
There won't be an Avengers movie because they are setting up the West Coast Avengers movie. Totally different franchise. Even if they setup a new Avengers movie do you think it will be as good as the original Avengers movies? Or as popular? I highly doubt these new future Avengers movies will ever be as good or box office juggernauts that the previous has been. Hell I think Infinity War making pass 2 billion will ever be touched for a while by any superhero movie. Endgame box office profit??? Absolutely not, that record is going to stay put with, no other MCU movie ever touching it or surpassing it. It seems like you're expecting more from the future of the MCU than is necessary for them to be successful. A film doesn't have to make it into the Top Ten movies of all-time in order to make Disney happy. Just making it into the top 100 is usually enough to show a nice profit, and sell a ton of merchandise while they're at it.
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Post by FShuttari on Sept 28, 2019 16:35:16 GMT -5
Even if they setup a new Avengers movie do you think it will be as good as the original Avengers movies? Or as popular? I highly doubt these new future Avengers movies will ever be as good or box office juggernauts that the previous has been. Hell I think Infinity War making pass 2 billion will ever be touched for a while by any superhero movie. Endgame box office profit??? Absolutely not, that record is going to stay put with, no other MCU movie ever touching it or surpassing it. It seems like you're expecting more from the future of the MCU than is necessary for them to be successful. A film doesn't have to make it into the Top Ten movies of all-time in order to make Disney happy. Just making it into the top 100 is usually enough to show a nice profit, and sell a ton of merchandise while they're at it. Yeah thats true. I think the MCU is pointless now. I don't feel any kind of excitment for future movies. Sounds like a lot of people feel this way after the Infinity Saga completed.
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Post by IanTheCool on Sept 28, 2019 17:16:14 GMT -5
Even if they setup a new Avengers movie do you think it will be as good as the original Avengers movies? Or as popular? I highly doubt these new future Avengers movies will ever be as good or box office juggernauts that the previous has been. Hell I think Infinity War making pass 2 billion will ever be touched for a while by any superhero movie. Endgame box office profit??? Absolutely not, that record is going to stay put with, no other MCU movie ever touching it or surpassing it. It seems like you're expecting more from the future of the MCU than is necessary for them to be successful. A film doesn't have to make it into the Top Ten movies of all-time in order to make Disney happy. Just making it into the top 100 is usually enough to show a nice profit, and sell a ton of merchandise while they're at it. Are you sure? Solo was a financially successful movie, but not financially successful ENOUGH for disney. And it caused a kneejerk reaction to "fix" Star Wars.
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Post by Neverending on Sept 28, 2019 17:20:10 GMT -5
It seems like you're expecting more from the future of the MCU than is necessary for them to be successful. A film doesn't have to make it into the Top Ten movies of all-time in order to make Disney happy. Just making it into the top 100 is usually enough to show a nice profit, and sell a ton of merchandise while they're at it. Are you sure? Solo was a financially successful movie, but not financially successful ENOUGH for disney. And it caused a kneejerk reaction to "fix" Star Wars. Solo made $392 million worldwide on a budget of $275 million. It was a flop.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Sept 28, 2019 18:21:15 GMT -5
There won't be an Avengers movie because they are setting up the West Coast Avengers movie. Totally different franchise. Even if they setup a new Avengers movie do you think it will be as good as the original Avengers movies? Or as popular? I never anticipated any of these movies being as popular as they are. I have no reason to start now.
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Post by Neverending on Sept 28, 2019 18:32:23 GMT -5
Even if they setup a new Avengers movie do you think it will be as good as the original Avengers movies? Or as popular? I never anticipated any of these movies being as popular as they are. I have no reason to start now. There’s an alternate reality in which we got Tom Cruise as Iron Man.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Sept 28, 2019 19:01:25 GMT -5
I never anticipated any of these movies being as popular as they are. I have no reason to start now. There’s an alternate reality in which we got Tom Cruise as Iron Man. Are you dissing my beloved Dark Universe?
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Post by Wyldstaar on Sept 28, 2019 19:35:13 GMT -5
It seems like you're expecting more from the future of the MCU than is necessary for them to be successful. A film doesn't have to make it into the Top Ten movies of all-time in order to make Disney happy. Just making it into the top 100 is usually enough to show a nice profit, and sell a ton of merchandise while they're at it. Are you sure? Solo was a financially successful movie, but not financially successful ENOUGH for disney. And it caused a kneejerk reaction to "fix" Star Wars. Like Neverending said, you need to check your math on Solo. That movie cost an absurd amount of money to produce, and then even more money was flushed down the toilet trying to market it. To make matters worse, the merchandise collected dust on store shelves. Disney lost money on that one. You are on the right track when it comes to profitability, but not when it comes to the box office. It's the merch that's the key. There are currently no plans for a third Ant-Man/Wasp movie, despite them both being profitable. The problem with the Ant-Man/Wasp movies is that kids aren't interested in toys based on them. All their stuff collected dust and wound up in the discount section. If a movie is only a moderate success, but kids buy the toys and Halloween costumes, then Disney is going to make more of them. Disney doesn't make very many movies per year. They can't afford for many of them (especially the Marvel ones) not to be making a profit across multiple revenue streams.
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Post by Neverending on Sept 28, 2019 20:20:52 GMT -5
Are you sure? Solo was a financially successful movie, but not financially successful ENOUGH for disney. And it caused a kneejerk reaction to "fix" Star Wars. Like Neverending said, you need to check your math on Solo. That movie cost an absurd amount of money to produce, and then even more money was flushed down the toilet trying to market it. To make matters worse, the merchandise collected dust on store shelves. Disney lost money on that one. You are on the right track when it comes to profitability, but not when it comes to the box office. It's the merch that's the key. There are currently no plans for a third Ant-Man/Wasp movie, despite them both being profitable. The problem with the Ant-Man/Wasp movies is that kids aren't interested in toys based on them. All their stuff collected dust and wound up in the discount section. If a movie is only a moderate success, but kids buy the toys and Halloween costumes, then Disney is going to make more of them. Disney doesn't make very many movies per year. They can't afford for many of them (especially the Marvel ones) not to be making a profit across multiple revenue streams. Ant-Man was one of the more popular characters in Endgame. Maybe we’ll see a rise in merchandise revenue sales this holiday season.
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Post by Dracula on Sept 28, 2019 21:04:24 GMT -5
I could see them making a third Ant-Man, but they might get rid of Peyton Reed and try to go a different direction with the third like Ragnarok. Not exactly sure how they'd do that given that the first two were already comedic.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Sept 28, 2019 21:19:33 GMT -5
Just have Edgar Wright remake both of them.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Sept 28, 2019 21:29:11 GMT -5
Just have Edgar Wright remake both of them. In a perfect world, Edgar Wright would be given free reign. Even though Peyton Reed's version has been comedic, it's been a generic sort of comedy. Edgar Wright steps everything up two or three notches. Ant-Man was indeed a key figure in Endgame, and well received as a character. On the toy isles however, he is conspicuously absent. Even if kids want an action figure of him, he's not there to be had. The only figure of him I've seen recently is the tiny one that comes with the Wasp action figure from Disney's Toybox line, which was on discount for $7, from the usual $13.
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Post by Deexan on Sept 28, 2019 22:22:10 GMT -5
Are you sure? Solo was a financially successful movie, but not financially successful ENOUGH for disney. And it caused a kneejerk reaction to "fix" Star Wars. Solo made $392 million worldwide on a budget of $275 million. It was a flop. VHS sales bro.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Sept 28, 2019 22:55:11 GMT -5
Solo made $392 million worldwide on a budget of $275 million. It was a flop. VHS sales bro. Pfft. You caveman. Laserdisc, bruh.
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