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Post by Dracula on Aug 17, 2019 22:09:01 GMT -5
By the end of this weekend, Spider-Man: Far From Home will have the biggest box office take of any Sony film in history, taking the top spot from Skyfall (2012). Now the question becomes- Does Sony Pictures have enough sense to renew their contract with Marvel Studios to continue making live-action Spider-Man films? The obvious answer in the wake of the film's incredible success would be a resounding YES. Unfortunately, this is the same company who thought making Tom Rothman Chairman at Sony Pictures (the guy who slashed the budgets of the first two X-Men movies because he thought they were a bad idea, hired Brett Ratner to direct X3, hired Tim Story for Fantastic Four & insisted that Galactus be a cloud, refused James Cameron when he wanted to direct Alien 5 because he wanted to make Alien vs Predator instead, and passed on making a Deadpool movie until his hand was forced by the leaked test reel) was a good idea. There's no telling what crazy idea is going through that fool's head, and he's the one who's going to be making the decision. Well, there are two decent arguments against renewing the contract: 1. Sony did manage to make financially successful movies with the licence without Marvel's help in Venom and Into the Spider-Verse and 2. Tom Holland isn't necessarily going to be around forever and it isn't clear if Marvel is going to be able to help re-reboot the series if he decides to bounce, even Iron Man only got three solo movies.
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Post by Neverending on Aug 18, 2019 0:29:30 GMT -5
By the end of this weekend, Spider-Man: Far From Home will have the biggest box office take of any Sony film in history, taking the top spot from Skyfall (2012). Now the question becomes- Does Sony Pictures have enough sense to renew their contract with Marvel Studios to continue making live-action Spider-Man films? The obvious answer in the wake of the film's incredible success would be a resounding YES. Unfortunately, this is the same company who thought making Tom Rothman Chairman at Sony Pictures (the guy who slashed the budgets of the first two X-Men movies because he thought they were a bad idea, hired Brett Ratner to direct X3, hired Tim Story for Fantastic Four & insisted that Galactus be a cloud, refused James Cameron when he wanted to direct Alien 5 because he wanted to make Alien vs Predator instead, and passed on making a Deadpool movie until his hand was forced by the leaked test reel) was a good idea. There's no telling what crazy idea is going through that fool's head, and he's the one who's going to be making the decision. Rothman hasn't been bad at Sony. He managed to make Jumanji a $900 million hit. He gave Edgar Wright his biggest hit with Baby Driver. He turned Venom into a $800 million hit. He gave us Spider-Man Into the Spiderverse. He gave us Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Aug 18, 2019 9:47:30 GMT -5
By the end of this weekend, Spider-Man: Far From Home will have the biggest box office take of any Sony film in history, taking the top spot from Skyfall (2012). Now the question becomes- Does Sony Pictures have enough sense to renew their contract with Marvel Studios to continue making live-action Spider-Man films? The obvious answer in the wake of the film's incredible success would be a resounding YES. Unfortunately, this is the same company who thought making Tom Rothman Chairman at Sony Pictures (the guy who slashed the budgets of the first two X-Men movies because he thought they were a bad idea, hired Brett Ratner to direct X3, hired Tim Story for Fantastic Four & insisted that Galactus be a cloud, refused James Cameron when he wanted to direct Alien 5 because he wanted to make Alien vs Predator instead, and passed on making a Deadpool movie until his hand was forced by the leaked test reel) was a good idea. There's no telling what crazy idea is going through that fool's head, and he's the one who's going to be making the decision. Rothman hasn't been bad at Sony. He managed to make Jumanji a $900 million hit. He gave Edgar Wright his biggest hit with Baby Driver. He turned Venom into a $800 million hit. He gave us Spider-Man Into the Spiderverse. He gave us Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. I'll grant you Jumanji, Venom & Spiderverse. Tarantino gets to make whatever he wants, as long as he stays on budget (and the film isn't performing very well, btw). Wright was left alone by the studio because his budget was so low. It's possible that Rothman has actually managed to learn from his mistakes. Most of the properties he had a negative impact upon at Fox were ones he worked with from day one. The Spider-Man franchise had already been built into a huge success before he was hired by Sony. If he has come to realize that his personal instincts when it comes to Marvel properties are always wrong, and instead chooses to rely on others to handle the details, then things have a shot of turning out well. That said however, none of his bad story decisions have anything to do with the business decision of whether or not to sever ties with Marvel Studios. Dracula is certainly correct about Sony's success so far with Venom & Spiderverse being a factor. It is worth noting however, that neither of those two films came anywhere near the level of success that Far From Home has enjoyed. It doesn't looks as though any recasting will be necessary when it comes to Tom Holland, however. He's stated in interviews that he's interested in continuing with the role. Besides, he can get a much better deal with a new contract than he did the first time. On the side of Sony continuing with Marvel Studios, there are several important points, but in the end, they all boil down to one thing. If it's not broken, don't fix it! Sony is making a huge profit from their cooperation with Marvel Studios. If they sever that tie, it's a risk without reward. The only benefit to standing alone is bringing Spidey together with the side characters they own, in an effort to build their popularity up by riding Spidey's coat tails. There is no guarantee that this would work, and Venom has already demonstrated that the side characters can stand on their own if handled correctly. Using a stand-alone Spider-Man movie as a tool to build-up other characters for a spin-off has also already been tried, and it failed miserably. It's why Sony had to go to Marvel Studios for help in the first place.
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Post by Dracula on Aug 18, 2019 16:00:37 GMT -5
Tarantino gets to make whatever he wants, as long as he stays on budget (and the film isn't performing very well, btw). C'mon man. It's made over $114 million already and is about to be the 14th highest-grossing movie of the year with international release pending. If Sony expected that movie to perform better than that they were nuts.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Aug 18, 2019 16:31:47 GMT -5
Tarantino gets to make whatever he wants, as long as he stays on budget (and the film isn't performing very well, btw). C'mon man. It's made over $114 million already and is about to be the 14th highest-grossing movie of the year with international release pending. If Sony expected that movie to perform better than that they were nuts. I didn't realize that the film hadn't already gone wide internationally. It's usually the other way around. I'd say it's doing very well at the box office for a three hour movie.
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Post by Neverending on Aug 20, 2019 17:34:13 GMT -5
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Post by Wyldstaar on Aug 20, 2019 18:01:52 GMT -5
Disappointing. I would have thought that Marvel/Disney would be content with extending the deal, as is. I can understand their reasons for wanting a bigger piece of the pie, but that doesn't change the fact that I want Spider-Man in the MCU. It was fun while it lasted.
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Post by Dracula on Aug 20, 2019 18:13:04 GMT -5
Disappointing. I would have thought that Marvel/Disney would be content with extending the deal, as is. I can understand their reasons for wanting a bigger piece of the pie, but that doesn't change the fact that I want Spider-Man in the MCU. It was fun while it lasted. Yeah, everyone's angry at Sony but it seems like it was Disney that was really making the deal untenable. They wanted 50% of everything being done with the license, that isn't worth whatever assistance they're going to get on one or two more Tom Holland movies. Disney was already getting all kinds of merchandising off of these and was getting the character for crossovers, they didn't need to be greedy. There probably is still time for cooler heads to prevail though.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Aug 20, 2019 19:47:18 GMT -5
Disney swung their dick around, because they knew Sony needed them more than Disney needed Sony. Sony just wouldn't suck it.
But Sony still isn't the good guy, because they still need to prove they're not incompetent. Short of letting the Into the Spider-Verse team shepherding everything Spidey related from here on out, that's an uphill battle.
But first word I hear of the franchise crossing over with Venom and Morbius means Sony can go fuck themselves.
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Post by Neverending on Aug 20, 2019 20:50:57 GMT -5
Disney swung their dick around, because they knew Sony needed them more than Disney needed Sony. Sony just wouldn't suck it. But Sony still isn't the good guy, because they still need to prove they're not incompetent. Short of letting the Into the Spider-Verse team shepherding everything Spidey related from here on out, that's an uphill battle. But first word I hear of the franchise crossing over with Venom and Morbius means Sony can go fuck themselves. During press conference for Far From Home, Jon Watts he was thinking of ways to merge the two. So behind the scenes this is something they’d be mulling for a while.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Aug 20, 2019 20:59:58 GMT -5
Disney swung their dick around, because they knew Sony needed them more than Disney needed Sony. Sony just wouldn't suck it. But Sony still isn't the good guy, because they still need to prove they're not incompetent. Short of letting the Into the Spider-Verse team shepherding everything Spidey related from here on out, that's an uphill battle. But first word I hear of the franchise crossing over with Venom and Morbius means Sony can go fuck themselves. During press conference for Far From Home, Jon Watts he was thinking of ways to merge the two. So behind the scenes this is something they’d be mulling for a while. "Just because you can doesn't mean you should."
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Post by Neverending on Aug 21, 2019 7:21:46 GMT -5
During press conference for Far From Home, Jon Watts he was thinking of ways to merge the two. So behind the scenes this is something they’d be mulling for a while. "Just because you can doesn't mean you should."
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