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Post by John on Nov 5, 2014 12:53:30 GMT -5
As far as logistics and storytelling are concerned WS did a better job. They took a person who has slept pretty much an entire century, threw him in a World he's not familiar with and on top of that continued a storyline with an Enemy that's also back. Reintroduced SHIELD and dealt with how they are now the enemy. Had to set up storylines for Black Widow, Nick Fury, and a new character Falcon. I mean it's a no-brainer for me. It blew not just the first film out of the water, but has a setup for Avengers 2 and how that plays into it as well. I disagree completely with you guys. But each it's own. I bolded the part that applies to 'The Avengers' as well. Then multiply that by four instead of just the one main character. 'The Avengers' also set up storylines for Black Widow, Nick Fury, and Hawkeye, who the latter of which was essentially a brand new character to the series considering he was in 'Thor' for all of about two minutes and didn't contribute to the story at all. It also hinted at Thanos and essentially sparked what the core of the entire franchise is leading up to - the Infinity War. Also, 'TWS' didn't really deal with how SHIELD is now the enemy. That was definitely a part of 'TWS', but I wouldn't say they dealt with the fallout really. That award goes to 'Agents of SHIELD' more than anything else. Again, I love 'TWS' as much as the next fan, but it did not achieve what 'The Avengers' did.
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Post by VaderStark14 on Nov 5, 2014 13:57:43 GMT -5
Personally Thor took away from other characters really. Thor seemed like a Cameo part in Avengers 1. Cap and Iron Man was done well and Hulk and Widow but again. I feel that Fury has not had big enough time in these movies at all. If not for Loki I am not sure Thor would have been a good idea. I mean he being Thor seemed well weaker in Avengers then in his Solo films.
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Post by VaderStark14 on Nov 5, 2014 14:00:08 GMT -5
Civil War could be biggest Cap movie and maybe as big as Avengers 1. Seeing Cap and Iron Man duke it out will be worth the ticket price.
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Post by John on Nov 5, 2014 14:33:05 GMT -5
Personally Thor took away from other characters really. Thor seemed like a Cameo part in Avengers 1. Cap and Iron Man was done well and Hulk and Widow but again. I feel that Fury has not had big enough time in these movies at all. If not for Loki I am not sure Thor would have been a good idea. I mean he being Thor seemed well weaker in Avengers then in his Solo films. I don't think Thor took away from anybody. If anything, I think the reintroduction of Banner/Hulk might have stolen some of the spotlight from Thor - I think that's why they have a lot of scenes together (the fight on the helicarrier, them fighting together in the Battle of NY, etc.). That's one of the very few nitpicks I have about the film is that Thor is a bit of an after-thought at times.
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Post by VaderStark14 on Nov 5, 2014 15:45:48 GMT -5
Thor too me is out of place except for in Solo Films. Iron Man, Captain America, Hawkeye, Blackwidow fit fine and Hulk least has friend connection to Stark. Thor being after Loki should have seemed less out of place. Except for the fact Thor kinda is very different from the other characters. Thor teaming up with The Guardians make more sense to me as a team up cause how Thor is somewhat is an alien.
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Post by frankyt on Nov 5, 2014 17:04:25 GMT -5
I like how you guys talk in absolutes about tastes and preferences.
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Post by John on Nov 5, 2014 17:11:33 GMT -5
It's what I do.
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Post by Knerys on Nov 5, 2014 17:27:45 GMT -5
I like how you guys talk in absolutes about tastes and preferences. And you haven't?
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Post by Angel on Nov 5, 2014 19:17:21 GMT -5
Arguing which movie was more awesome is such an incredibly wonderful problem to have.
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Post by Jibbs on Nov 5, 2014 19:32:19 GMT -5
I like how you guys talk in absolutes about tastes and preferences. And you haven't? Only about us.
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Post by VaderStark14 on Nov 5, 2014 19:52:49 GMT -5
Well all movies in the comic movie deal range from very good to bad. Marvel is more consistant since it started with Iron Man which was before Disney Bought Marvel. Kevin Feige made it possible to argue which is a better film from movies all pretty good really.
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Post by John on Nov 14, 2014 18:18:30 GMT -5
Sounds like the Russos might be in charge of at least one of these films as well: www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=111094Personally I'm hoping they helm Part 1 with Whedon in control of Part 2, but I'm content with whatever Marvel wants to do. Whedon and the Russos all bring different things to the table. My only concern is that I hope this is not an early reflection from Marvel on Whedon's work on Avengers: Age of Ultron. I hope this is just coming from a place where Whedon doesn't want to be as involved and the Russos are getting a promotion rather than anything else.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Nov 14, 2014 21:44:02 GMT -5
Sounds like the Russos might be in charge of at least one of these films as well: www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=111094Personally I'm hoping they helm Part 1 with Whedon in control of Part 2, but I'm content with whatever Marvel wants to do. Whedon and the Russos all bring different things to the table. My only concern is that I hope this is not an early reflection from Marvel on Whedon's work on Avengers: Age of Ultron. I hope this is just coming from a place where Whedon doesn't want to be as involved and the Russos are getting a promotion rather than anything else. If I had to venture a guess, I'd say that Marvel Studios is having two different directors handle the two parts of Infinity War in order to give them each a different feel, beyond just different characters and settings. The Russos really brought their A-game to The Winter Soldier, so it's only fitting that of all the various directors already established at Marvel Studios, they would be the ones tapped for the job. As much as I enjoyed Guardians of the Galaxy, it was exactly what I expected it to be and nothing more. Maybe Gunn will do more with the sequel, now that the characters are established and raise the bar the way the Russos did.
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Post by VaderStark14 on Nov 15, 2014 1:09:46 GMT -5
Give Russos Part 1 so maybe they can do fallow up to Civil War dealings and Part 2 to Joss if going to Add Guardians. Joss likely could handle big cast and still keep the Guardians simular to GUnns feel.
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Post by Fanible on Nov 15, 2014 1:52:48 GMT -5
That would be extremely unusual. I would be surprised if they went with two (three) directors for the two-parter. It would have to split principal photography into two different sets between them, or essentially two different sets of production. Tag team? I don't know. Having trouble picturing it.
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Post by John on Nov 15, 2014 8:07:08 GMT -5
That's a fair point.
I'm still just hoping this is because Whedon wants out and not because Marvel doesn't want to work with Whedon anymore. Or maybe Whedon is going to helm one of the other films, Captain Marvel for example.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Nov 15, 2014 11:30:02 GMT -5
That would be extremely unusual. I would be surprised if they went with two (three) directors for the two-parter. It would have to split principal photography into two different sets between them, or essentially two different sets of production. Tag team? I don't know. Having trouble picturing it. It's really not all that unusual of a situation. Most blockbuster scale movies actually have two directors. The main unit shots are handled by the director, while the second unit shots are being filmed at the same time somewhere else by the assistant director. The lead actors sometimes have to play tag team between each unit, depending on when the second unit can make do with just the stunt doubles and when they need the real actors. While the leads are off on the second unit, the director will film the shots of secondary characters providing exposition. As for the the two parts of Infinity War specifically, I suspect that one of the parts will take place mostly on Earth while the other occurs mainly at the cosmic level. This would call for totally different sets and locations for each film. The different parts will likely feature different characters, as well.
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Post by frankyt on Nov 15, 2014 12:20:29 GMT -5
Marvel saw that WS was the better product than Avengers... Bang. Argument over.
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Post by John on Nov 15, 2014 12:40:29 GMT -5
Wrong.
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Post by VaderStark14 on Nov 15, 2014 13:48:01 GMT -5
Avengers Age Of Ultron will make WS look like a dull ride at disney land. I still for some reason think Cap 1 is still better then Cap 2. Its just the Thor and Iron Man movies i personally like watching more.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Nov 15, 2014 16:35:41 GMT -5
Marvel saw that WS was the better product than Avengers... Bang. Argument over. The Avengers and The Winter Soldier are two very different films. They are both excellent at accomplishing what the filmmakers set out to bring to life for the audience.
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Post by FShuttari on Dec 12, 2014 13:45:25 GMT -5
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Post by Neverending on Dec 12, 2014 14:44:48 GMT -5
And the Joss Whedon era comes to an end.
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Post by Knerys on Dec 12, 2014 14:47:54 GMT -5
I can't decide if this is disappointing until after I see Age of Ultron...but it probably will be. :/
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Post by FShuttari on Dec 12, 2014 15:49:59 GMT -5
I wonder why Whedon is not directing it, he needs a rest after all this, or he has something else up his sleeve
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