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Post by VaderStark14 on Nov 3, 2014 18:35:11 GMT -5
Its just a feeling with Second Films in a Trilogy. Like Spiderman 2, X-Men 2 X-Men United, Cap 2 , Thor Dark World. Sequels are always better then threequels in comic lore.
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Post by Jibbs on Nov 3, 2014 20:14:03 GMT -5
Can you prove that Avengers 3 and 4 WON'T be better than Avengers 3? No, didn't think so!
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Post by Jibbs on Nov 3, 2014 20:17:27 GMT -5
How can you really feel that way right now? There are too many films between those two to say right now that one will be better than the other. Can you prove that Avengers 3 and 4 WON'T be better than Avengers 3? No, didn't think so! Its just a feeling with Second Films in a Trilogy. Like Spiderman 2, X-Men 2 X-Men United, Cap 2 , Thor Dark World. Sequels are always better then threequels in comic lore. Indiana Jones 3, Die Hard 3, Bourne 3, Men in Black 3, Iron Man 3...
Also, there is no Thor 3 or Cap 3. What are you talking about?
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Post by John on Nov 3, 2014 20:46:06 GMT -5
Yeah if anything 'Ragnarok' will probably be better than 'The Dark World' since it has the advantage of not being 'The Dark World'.
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Post by Jibbs on Nov 3, 2014 20:53:59 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm personally very thankful that I'm not Thor: The Dark World.
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Post by FShuttari on Nov 3, 2014 23:58:25 GMT -5
Winter Soldier is far superior to Avengers.
I don't see anything wrong with this
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Post by VaderStark14 on Nov 4, 2014 0:40:52 GMT -5
Ok I was talking about 3 rd movies in a trilogy. In resent years 3rd Movies end up being just bad films. We are talking films made post 1999. The Dark Knight Rises, Spiderman 3, Transformers Dark Moon, Pirates Of The Caribbean 3. X-Men The Last Stand. Matrix 3. Now Marvel made films can be the exception. Iron Man 3 was not a bad Films. Would have liked the real Mandarin but the movie worked.
I also said i didn't see Avengers 3 Being better then Age Of Ultron but nowhere did I say it be a bad movie. I expect it to be least Avengers 1 good which i loved. I personally want Evans to do least 4 Captain America solo movies cause those movies were just good and without Iron Man solo films Cap films should go on.
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Post by Bane on Nov 4, 2014 3:26:24 GMT -5
Personally I dont think Infinity will be better then Age Of Ultron. But I am Hoping Joss will be back for the Avengers movies. Cause Cap 2 director should stay with Cap 3. So in 2014 you're predicting a movie that's coming out in 2018 won't be as good as a movie that's being released in 2015? Just trying to clarify where you stand in case I need to thread mine at some point in the future.
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Post by VaderStark14 on Nov 4, 2014 6:00:54 GMT -5
I think Comic Book overload will happen. Right now Avengers is and Hot thing Primarily Guardians and Captain America. Age Of Ultron will be hitting theaters at the right time. But Trinity will hit after Dr Strange, Cap 3 Ant Man, Black Panther, Guardiana 2 ,Thor 3 and Captain Marvel. Not including DC's lets call it Faze One attempt. Avengers part one and 2 may still be good but could hero movies could be stale by then.
I Mean Avengers 1 and 2 will work because the core group. I just dont believe you can Remove Hulk, Iron Man, Thor, Steve Rodgers Cap, Black Widow and Hawkeye and replace maybe some for lower key members. I think they should keep Core Originals but add new Avengers only for that one particular film. Im fine with them using SW Vision and QS for AOU but Trinity Part One and Two Dr Strange and Black Panther with Ant Man Wasp and Captain Marvel and Not including Age Of Ultron Avengers.
Now the next Avenger after Trinity should be Skrulls or Kree you could drop Ant Man and Wasp and Drop Hawkeye for a Movie and Bring back Vision and SW but add Maybe She-Hulk and dare a I say Wolverine if they being Fox Kill off Wolverine by then.
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Post by John on Nov 4, 2014 6:29:30 GMT -5
Winter Soldier is far superior to Avengers. I don't see anything wrong with this I disagree.
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Post by Deexan on Nov 4, 2014 7:15:43 GMT -5
I agree with the above disagreement.
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Post by John on Nov 4, 2014 9:03:49 GMT -5
I love 'The Winter Soldier', I think it's the best film of Phase 2 so far. I just don't think it surpasses 'The Avengers'.
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Post by VaderStark14 on Nov 4, 2014 12:59:56 GMT -5
Why I am hesitant about The Avengers Trinity is Brolin as Thanos. I simply believed Vin Disel had the imposing Build to play the Mad Titan while Voicing Groot. Brolin has bad luck in movies at times. Jonah Hex. Cast of Thanos just has me worried while Spader voicing Ultron seems to be fantastic.
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Post by FShuttari on Nov 4, 2014 13:28:49 GMT -5
I love 'The Winter Soldier', I think it's the best film of Phase 2 so far. I just don't think it surpasses 'The Avengers'. I thought the story, characters, plot and action were A+ I can't say that for the avengers. Even though avengers got a lot of things right and it was a fun movie. It wasn't perfect. Everything in Winter Soldier was perfect from my point of view
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Post by John on Nov 4, 2014 15:50:25 GMT -5
Agree to disagree then.
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Post by VaderStark14 on Nov 4, 2014 17:01:43 GMT -5
Its an ok movie Winter Soldier. Better then Dark World and X-Men DOTFP But its not as Good As Avengers or as fun.
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Post by frankyt on Nov 4, 2014 20:06:09 GMT -5
I need to see it again, but I think I'm with ss on this one.
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Post by Jibbs on Nov 4, 2014 20:30:59 GMT -5
Avengers and Winter Solider are close for me. Time will tell. But I think Avengers gets the edge for now.
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Post by John on Nov 5, 2014 10:13:04 GMT -5
I lost this argument as soon as Vader agreed with me.
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Post by Deexan on Nov 5, 2014 10:15:54 GMT -5
Avengers is the superior flick by a healthy margin.
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Post by John on Nov 5, 2014 10:47:19 GMT -5
YEAH!
I think 'The Avengers' deserves the nod because it managed to successfully tie four franchises together. 'The Winter Soldier' is great because it does things that 'The Dark Knight' did well by taking a story you could have told without superheroes, a crime drama in TDK and a political thriller in TWS, and making it better because of their involvement. It also serves as a political commentary and tells a story that isn't necessarily obvious on screen or on the page.
But 'The Avengers' took four very different characters - a techno-billionaire, a God from another world altogether, a soldier frozen in time, and a classic movie monster - and married them together, but also kept them diverse and different enough that when the event was over they could go their own separate ways and continue to be involved in interesting stories. From a structure standpoint, I think a lot of people thought Whedon would fail in his attempt to unify the franchises. It was a daunting task, and he crushed it.
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Post by Deexan on Nov 5, 2014 10:59:30 GMT -5
Plus the first Cap movie was generally seen as one of Marvel's weakest thus far and so expectations for TWS weren't sky high, hence its quality being slightly overstated.
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Post by Knerys on Nov 5, 2014 11:09:13 GMT -5
John already touched on this but Avengers has more moving parts and logistics to consider. In short it's degree of difficulty is higher and therefore gets the edge with its excellent execution.
You want argue that you enjoy Winter Solider more as entertainment or out of narrative preference that's fine. But to say Winter Solider is vastly superior is just bad analysis.
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Post by FShuttari on Nov 5, 2014 12:21:17 GMT -5
John already touched on this but Avengers has more moving parts and logistics to consider. In short it's degree of difficulty is higher and therefore gets the edge with its excellent execution. You want argue that you enjoy Winter Solider more as entertainment or out of narrative preference that's fine. But to say Winter Solider is vastly superior is just bad analysis. As far as logistics and storytelling are concerned WS did a better job. They took a person who has slept pretty much an entire century, threw him in a World he's not familiar with and on top of that continued a storyline with an Enemy that's also back. Reintroduced SHIELD and dealt with how they are now the enemy. Had to set up storylines for Black Widow, Nick Fury, and a new character Falcon. I mean it's a no-brainer for me. It blew not just the first film out of the water, but has a setup for Avengers 2 and how that plays into it as well. I disagree completely with you guys. But each it's own.
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Post by Knerys on Nov 5, 2014 12:33:06 GMT -5
Winter Soldier, excellent but singular focus. Avengers is on a completely different tier. Just as Age Ultron will be. And Winter Soldier's only real set up for Ultron was its post credit scene. There rest was clearly now for Civil War.
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