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Post by Neverending on May 16, 2019 3:05:55 GMT -5
Everyone says, “can you believe Fast & Furious began as a series about street racing and ended up with dinosaurs and spaceships?” We can now say that about John Wick. The movie begins where the previous one left off. Wick is on the run from the society of assassins he was a part of. The man is sweaty, dirty, bloody, exhausted and hasn’t drank or eaten anything. And yet, we follow him from the streets of New York all the way to Morocco and this motherfucker doesn’t shower or change his clothes. I’m willing to bet that’s his secret weapon. He smells like ass and it disorients his opponents. So then after his journey to the Middle East he returns to New York to basically continue what he was doing in the beginning of the movie: battle an army of assassins. This motherfucker must have killed at least a thousand people over the course of the two hour running time. Does this one organization really employee that many assassins? Do you really need that many assassins? What the fuck? At least the Fast & Furious movies have a sense of humor. This shit is like watching a Saturday morning cartoon that took itself to seriously.
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Post by Pbar on May 17, 2019 0:36:13 GMT -5
Best one yet.
Best trilogy ever.
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Post by 1godzillafan on May 18, 2019 21:33:09 GMT -5
My thorough and in-depth review:
John Wick 4 now, please.
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Post by Wyldstaar on May 18, 2019 22:08:05 GMT -5
The action scenes were fantastic. There was far too much of an attempt at a plot this time around, and it got in the way. It dragged down my score. The biggest sin of all was a severe lack of picking up weapons at the beginning of the movie. Wick constantly handy weapons and ammo on the floor for the first act.
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Post by IanTheCool on May 19, 2019 8:33:23 GMT -5
I liked the first few action scenes. After that I found them repetitive and prolonged. Started nodding off a lot.
The world building has hit a point where its eye rolling.
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Post by PhantomKnight on May 19, 2019 12:18:40 GMT -5
I liked the movie overall. As always, really solid and entertaining action sequences -- the one set in Casablanca stood out as one of the highlights -- and I continue to appreciate the world-building in this series. However...the ending left me feeling a bit conflicted.
I was under the impression that this movie was going to wrap everything up, so when it practically ended with the beginning of the 4th movie, I was taken aback. On the one hand, what they've set up for a 4th installment is very promising and enticing, but on the other...I'm starting to question the longevity of this franchise. How many more John Wick movies are there going to be and how many more do we need? Cause I'm already worried about the franchise overstaying its welcome.
But yeah, another good and enjoyable entry, though.
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Post by Neverending on May 19, 2019 13:49:36 GMT -5
I'm starting to question the longevity of this franchise.
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Post by IanTheCool on May 19, 2019 23:31:56 GMT -5
the one set in Casablanca stood out as one of the highlights
I disagree. I thought that one was very repetitive, and that's when I started checking out.
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Post by PhantomKnight on May 20, 2019 10:04:26 GMT -5
I'm starting to question the longevity of this franchise. But at least most of the Pirates movies actually end. the one set in Casablanca stood out as one of the highlights
I disagree. I thought that one was very repetitive, and that's when I started checking out. I can watch German Shepherds taking out assassins by ripping their balls off all day. All. Day.
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Post by FShuttari on May 20, 2019 16:56:34 GMT -5
By far one of the best action movies ever made. I didn't really like the 2nd one. But I loved the first one.
I need more time to reflect and watch it again to really say if it's better than the first one or not. But this is easily the best R rated action franchises we have right now.
9/10
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Post by Pbar on May 21, 2019 16:22:00 GMT -5
On a second viewing, still love it just as much, if not more.
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Post by frankyt on May 22, 2019 7:54:24 GMT -5
Could have entirely cut out Halle Barry's part and just saved it for the sequel. Seemed rather useless and just world building around certain set pieces, in this case the dog fighting scene.
Bronns accent was astonishingly bad but clearly he will return for the 4th. Same with the big bad in his traditional regalia.
Much better than 2. Not as good as one. Could have used about 30 mins lopped off and would have been fantastic. Still solid though.
7/10. Dug it.
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Post by Dracula on May 22, 2019 19:04:12 GMT -5
John Wick: Chapter 3 – Parabellum(5/16/2019)
I really want to like these John Wick movies. John Wick and John Wick: Chapter 2 were doing things with the action movie format that I’ve been waiting for Hollywood to do; they’re shot cleanly, their action is hardcore, they aren’t cracking stupid jokes every ten seconds. And yet despite everything they do right I wasn’t really able to fully get behind those first to movies because, at the end of the day there were things in those scripts that were just too stupid to ignore. I can forgive a lot from the story in certain genre movies. Comedies can overlook all sorts of logic and get away with it if they’re still funny, martial arts movies and be all kinds of simplistic as long as they’re solid showcases for the skills of their performers, and similarly these action movies like John Wick can get away with a lot simply because they very effectively accomplish the main thing they set out to do: make Keanu Reeves look really cool while killing a whole lot of people. But there’s a difference between giving a movie a pass for having great action scenes and fulling embracing a movie as a great action movie: for that you need to have the full package and these John Wick movies just don’t. But just the same I was looking forward to the next fix that the third installment would provide.
The film picks up immediately after John Wick: Chapter 2 with John Wick (Keanu Reeves) having less than an hour before he’s declared excommunicado and a fourteen million dollar hit is put out on him and he’s barred from all assistance from all branches of The Continental and any other organization affiliated with The High Table. On top of that, The High Table has sent an Adjudicator (Asia Kate Dillon) to clean house and punish anyone who assisted Wick in the last movie including Winston (Ian McShane) and The Bowery King (Laurence Fishburne). She even recruits an assassin named Zero (Mark Dacascos) to carry out her dirty work. But first Wick needs to find a way out of New York and much of the film’s first half deals with this chase to find some degree of sanctuary.
Let’s start with the positive, which is largely the same positive that was there in the first two movies: the action scenes. They’re still pretty good, especially in the first half. As the movie opens Wick is essentially on an elaborate chase through New York and goes through several landmarks like the Public Library (which closes way earlier than that for the record) and the central part carriage ride stables. Each of these are accompanied by some fairly creative action beats like a fight against a seven foot tall assassin and a fight through a hall of antique weapons and knives. I will say though that the movie does kind of blow some of its wad early and some of the later scenes feel more generic like a mid-film gun fight which is well staged but seems to go on forever and a finale which in some ways just feels like more of the same of what we’ve seen before. In some ways the film seems to be emphasizing unarmed combat more than the previous film, which would seem like a good way to mix things up but Keanu Reeves isn’t really a martial arts expert and that does show a bit in the film.
Of course the complaints I’ve had about these movies are also still here. There are a lot of people who come to find the world building in these movies to be really charming but I’ve never really been a fan. These movies take place in a rather strange world where there are so many assassins that it’s hard to imagine there being enough “contracts” to keep them all employed. I also generally get the impression that they’re sort of making the rules of this world up as they go and it often goes back on some of its own premises. For example, in the beginning Wick’s excommunicado status is set up as something so firmly set in stone that a doctor can’t even finish stitching up a wound once it goes into effect and yet later Wick seems to very cavalierly enter other Continental locations without even bothering to try to disguise himself in any way. Even worse than that though is that I’m not entirely clear on why we’re supposed to root for Wick in his war against The High Table. Yes, they’re obviously an evil organization but Wick is himself a mass murderer and their various rules don’t necessarily seem that unreasonable when compared to his ethos of killing thousands in retaliation for the death of a damn dog.
So are the action scenes in John Wick: Chapter 3 – Parabellum enough to save it from its shortcomings? Yeah, probably, but I must say I feel like the franchise has been taken about as far as it can be. That would be fine if this were a final film to cap off a trilogy but, and I don’t really think this is a spoiler, it isn’t. The basic arc of the story has John Wick more or less ending right back where he started and the film’s ending is clearly a setup for a Chapter 4, and on top of that much of the film’s second act feels like a backdoor pilot for a spinoff series starring Halle Berry. That’s a problem because this third installment frankly didn’t leave me wanting more and the fact that it was in many ways an exercise in treading water just left me kind of frustrated.
*** out of Five
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Post by Doomsday on May 22, 2019 19:31:17 GMT -5
Where are the cops during all of this?
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Post by IanTheCool on May 22, 2019 22:41:18 GMT -5
Where are the cops during all of this? They're probably all assassins. Since, you know, everyone is.
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Post by Pbar on May 23, 2019 0:09:33 GMT -5
People need to go rematch the first film. It's good, very good, but it doesn't have the confidence 2 and 3 have.
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Post by Deexan on May 27, 2019 10:49:22 GMT -5
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Post by frankyt on May 27, 2019 11:35:49 GMT -5
Impressive but again her whole part was pretty silly in the context of the story. Gimme more Russian ballet backstory.
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Post by Neverending on May 27, 2019 17:23:01 GMT -5
Impressive but again her whole part was pretty silly in the context of the story. Gimme more Russian ballet backstory. Backdoor pilot.
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Post by IanTheCool on May 27, 2019 18:13:43 GMT -5
Impressive but again her whole part was pretty silly in the context of the story. Gimme more Russian ballet backstory. ALso, that entire action scene was "dog attacks, she shoots." Which was cool the first two times. Got old after the next twenty.
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Post by PG Cooper on May 29, 2019 13:32:20 GMT -5
There's a lot I can criticize about John Wick Chapter 3. The world building, though in some ways fun, starts to really stretch credibility. It seems like just about everybody in this world is actually a secret assassin, or a member of the secretive high table, or running their own shady business involving murder. At one point some children go by who are presumably just innocent bystanders, but I don't know, maybe they were part of the League of Distracting Children, hired throughout the city to control where violence goes down. In this series, that's entirely plausible.
Then again, that absurdity is perhaps necessary given how violent these movies are. I'm not usually one to get squeamish about violent action movies, but John Wick has murdered an absurd amount of people at this point and the vague shred of motivation is almost entirely absent. You could argue that these films are cutting out the fat of other action movies and just getting to the goods, but the fact that someone like James Bond is trying to save lives makes him easier to cheer for. John Wick 3 fittingly references Buster Keaton in its opening minutes, signifying that this film should also be viewed as a collection of death defying stunts and spectacle rather than a literal story. Fair point, but Keaton's spectacle was usually in service of something. Usually it was something simple like a sentimental little love story, and you could certainly argue these were the least important aspects of Keaton's movies, but they still provided relatable goals an audience could get behind and ground the spectacle. The John Wick movies don't really have that. The violent action is mostly for its own sake.
Thing is, I can make all these criticisms, but I also can't deny I was constantly entertained from start to finish. I can't deny that I felt a giddy sense of joy seeing John use an old work of Russian literature to brutally murder an imposing thug and then take the time to return the book to its spot in the library. I can't deny that I laughed out loud when Wick caused a horse to buck and kick a gunman in the face. I can't deny my awe-stuck expression as a motorcycle riding Wick fought off several sword wielding baddies, also on motorcycles. And I especially can't deny the visceral sense of excitement I felt watching John Wick square off against a duo of martial artists straight out of The Raid 2. There are so many wondrously creative and brutally intense action scenes that constantly put a smile on my face. The action is also elevated greatly by the interesting locations the characters consistently find themselves in. Indeed, for all the violence, this is a very pretty movie with a lot of colour and personality.
And that's the thing about John Wick Chapter 3. There's a lot I can stand back from and be critical of, but the meat of the movie (the action) is so damn good I'm willing to overlook a lot more than I usually would. Even the sequel bait ending which prevents this film from having any real closure actually had me pumped up rather than let down. Of course, I'm not sure how much more longevity this series is really gonna have, but if they action scenes stay this good, I'll be there for every one of them. And with John Wick 3, I had a blast.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jun 16, 2019 22:24:15 GMT -5
Generally when it comes to action movie franchises, we're discussing the likes of Mission: Impossible, Die Hard, Lethal Weapon, Rambo, and a slew of others in regards to what offers the best in pure popcorn entertainment. But most if not all of these franchises, save for Mission: Impossible, see diminishing returns after their first entry, generally because the sequels fail to bring anything new to the action formula and feel that hammering the audience with bigger spectacle will make up for a lack of narrative creativity. This has also resulted in the protagonists taking large leaps in their abilities as well to match the absurd action taking place around them. John McClane in Die Hard compared to Live Free or Die Hard is a ridiculous jump into being completely implausible, and John Rambo goes from a Vietnam veteran looking to survive to the human equivalent of a Terminator in the horrid sequel to First Blood. And yet the John Wick franchise is guilty of both of these things in its sequels yet somehow works incredibly well. The ante keeps going up, John Wick stops short of being Neo only because he can't stop bullets (or can he?), and the plot itself works but will never be accused of being a think piece in any way. These movies should be on the same level as your run-of-the-mill Jason Statham entry, but there's an incredible consistency in tone, style, and world building with all three John Wick films that has ascended the franchise to being the best action movie series ever. John Wick has always and will always be an unstoppable badass. John Wick has always and will always be immersed in the same world of assassins that he tried to break away from in the first film. John Wick films have had a penchant for absurdly entertaining action scenes that don't rely on awful CGI or implausible scenarios (bear with me on that one) in order to thrill its audience. Surely this formula should be delivering diminishing returns the third time around. And yet not only has director Chad Stahelski found a formula that works and has stuck to it, but has continued to shock and entertain while remaining grafted to the world of John Wick. John Wick: Chapter 3 - Parabellum is not only another worthy entry to this extremely entertaining series, but has cemented John Wick as the best action franchise ever. You read that right.
The film picks up immediately where its predecessor left off with John Wick (Keanu Reeves) finding himself in hot water (is he ever not in hot water?) for killing a person while within the confines of the neutral Continental hotel. Naturally, he is deemed ex-communicado and as a result has the largest bounty in the world on his head for doing so. We are instantly thrust into danger with John, as the film intercuts between him fleeing through New York City and the tattooed army of switchboard operators announcing his bounty to the world like an illegal racetrack operation. John is able to make his way to The Director (Anjelica Huston) who grants him safe passage to Casablanca, where he reunites with Sofia (Halle Berry) and has to fight his way through hordes of enemies just so he can enjoy a little peace and quiet. Meanwhile, a representative of The High Table, the The Adjudicator (Asia Kate Dillon), is on a mission of her own to remove all perceived allies of John Wick from the picture, including Continental manager Winston (Ian McShane) and the Bowery King (Laurence Fishburne). This isn't a plot with twists and turns, nor a bunch of red herring alliances and double crosses. It doesn't have much in the way of complexity going for it at all, but by that same token it doesn't bog itself down with obvious cliches that plague most of the genre's flicks. Sometimes it's best when a film doesn't try to be smarter than it is, and the John Wick franchise is an example of this succeeding.
Clearly what's truly set this franchise apart as the premiere action series are the dazzlingly choreographed action sequences, and Chapter 3 is certainly in no short supply of these. My particular favorite comes early in the film and takes the metaphor of bull in a China shop to hilarious extremes where John Wick keeps breaking the glass housing antique knives and uses them to dispatch some goons. True to John Wick form, the sequence is brutal, over-the-top yet oddly grounded within the basis of this assassin world as being believable, and funny as hell. Other highlights include an incredibly put together motorcycle chase, a legitimate sword fight, and dogs finally getting their sweet revenge on some deserved victims. There's just something so refreshing in our annoying CGI cinematic world about an action franchise that favors practical work instead. It harkens back to the "good ole days" of actually directing big action pieces and not just leaving it to green screens and computers to do the work for them. And it pays off. Every time. Yes, at times the constant barrage of action can teeter on the repetitive spectrum, and some sequences are certainly more well devised than others. But in our current climate where absurd CGI-fests rule the action market, it's not hard to understand why so many people revere the John Wick franchise the way they do. Parabellum ups the ante, and does so without losing the audience in the process. No small feat for the second sequel in a pure action movie franchise.
John Wick: Chapter 3 - Parabellum is by no means a game changer, or a particularly innovative film outside of its wonderful action sequences. I enjoy the world it's created, with its silly rules and seemingly endless amount of people that are employed as full-time assassins, and to an extent I believe in it fully, but it's not without its holes and contrivances. Also John's team-up with Sofia just feels like an excuse to get the dogs involved in one of the more repetitive action sequences of the film, evidenced by her departure shortly after never to return or have much of an impact on anything at all narrative wise. I would've liked to have seen more of this Russian underworld that John is able to seek passage through and who he learned his skills from rather than his excursion into Casablanca, which doesn't pack the wallop that the New York scenes do. But for me these decisions are fairly easy to shrug off because of how incredibly entertaining this package is once again, and when examining the film within the confines of genre, that's more than good enough for me. This isn't a tale of morality or corruption or power. There are no existentialist ideas swirling around about individualism or fulfillment. It's an action film that's made with passionate execution, relying on creating moments that draw the audience in as opposed to turning us off with ugly CGI and ludicrous leaps of faith for the character. Let's enjoy this franchise while it lasts, because there very well may not be another one like it.
8/10
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