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Post by Neverending on Oct 18, 2018 3:25:45 GMT -5
David Gordon Green is a great visual director and I dug a lot of what he did until the movie got into the meat of the story. Michael Myers vs Laurie Strode. The predator becomes the prey. The prey becomes the predator. And I couldn’t care less. If casual viewers of the franchise enjoys this soft reboot, it’s totally understandable. There’s a strong women empowerment theme throughout the story as three generations of women join forces to defeat evil. It’ll resonate with audiences in the midst of the #MeToo movement. But fans of the series are most likely just gonna see Halloween 11. We’ve gone through five installments that took Michael Myers to extremes, H20 and Resurrection which already went the soft reboot route, two remakes by Rob Zombie and a standalone film that didn’t even include Michael Myers. So what did David Gordon Green and writing partner Danny McBride have new to offer? Not much. It’s a very by-the-numbers Halloween with the vengeful Laurie Strode angle coming across really stupid. If we weren’t in the #MeToo era, people might actually consider this version of the character to be kind of insulting. How she was portrayed in H20 was actually a lot better. She was a strong independent woman who decapitated Michael Myers with an axe. Here, she’s the town nutjob who turned her home into the house from Home Alone. What’s interesting is they didn’t need Laurie Strode to make a modern and progressive Halloween. I really liked the granddaughter and her friends. I would have been 100% fine if that would have just been the movie. The granddaughter goes to a party with her boyfriend. They go as Bonnie & Clyde but she’s Clyde and he’s Bonnie. Her friend is babysitting a wisecracking Black kid who’s hilarious and the star of the movie. Meanwhile, Michael Myers is roaming around the neighborhood and randomly & brutally killing people. All that stuff was great. And then Laurie Strode shows. Fuuuck that shhhit. I didn’t need Laurie Strode in Halloween 4 and I didn’t want her here. Danielle Harris & Granddaughter > Laurie Strode There. I said it.
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Post by Pbar on Oct 19, 2018 1:54:30 GMT -5
There's one really stupid stupid subplot that almost derails the whole thing. The rest is legitimately great.
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Post by Neverending on Oct 19, 2018 2:11:47 GMT -5
There's one really stupid stupid subplot that almost derails the whole thing. The rest is legitimately great. Loomis Jr?
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Post by Pbar on Oct 19, 2018 3:05:54 GMT -5
There's one really stupid stupid subplot that almost derails the whole thing. The rest is legitimately great. Loomis Jr? Bingo. It needed to at least be fleshed out a bit more. The stuff that's there, while I see what they're going for, doesn't work.
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Post by Neverending on Oct 19, 2018 3:17:24 GMT -5
Bingo. It needed to at least be fleshed out a bit more. The stuff that's there, while I see what they're going for, doesn't work. Judith Martha!
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Post by Pbar on Oct 19, 2018 3:23:37 GMT -5
Bingo. It needed to at least be fleshed out a bit more. The stuff that's there, while I see what they're going for, doesn't work. Judith Martha! There was a time I'd fight you over comparing HALLOWEEN to that movie. I had a personal experience a year and a half ago that sucked the joy of the franchise out of me.
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Post by Doomsday on Oct 19, 2018 15:06:29 GMT -5
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Post by Neverending on Oct 19, 2018 15:20:07 GMT -5
He was hired to digitally remove Henry Cavill's mustache.
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 19, 2018 20:49:10 GMT -5
I had a great time.
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Post by frankyt on Oct 20, 2018 13:47:07 GMT -5
I dug it. Not the best horror movie but it was enjoyable.
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Post by thebtskink on Oct 21, 2018 19:44:56 GMT -5
I liked it. Was fun watching for all the callbacks and Easter eggs too.
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Post by thebtskink on Oct 22, 2018 16:38:18 GMT -5
Just realized going by the original incarceration and age at killing, Myers is 61 in this movie.
I mean that's 5 years older than Tom Cruise, but still. Hella good shape for a geezer.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Oct 23, 2018 8:21:00 GMT -5
I liked it. It's a true and blue slasher movie, and a true and blue Halloween movie at that, and it works. It knows what it wants and needs to be, and hits all those marks. Jamie Lee Curtis is the real highlight of this movie, but David Gordon Green also crafts some really solidly suspenseful sequences that pay homage to the original but still help this stand on its own. It's not among the more recent greats in the horror genre, but it's something that's definitely well-done and worth seeing.
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 23, 2018 10:02:11 GMT -5
Putting my cards on the table, I was exactly in the right place for this new Halloween. Having watched through the rest of the series, for the most part for the first time, this month, I was definitely ready for Michael Myers, especially when this entry rises well above much of the series. With some distance and divorced from hype, I might look at David Gordon Green's Halloween differently. But in the theater opening night, I gotta say, I really enjoyed it.
Taking a page (a lot of pages really) from H20, Halloween chooses to ignore most of the series, instead acting as a direct sequel to Carpenter's original classic, not only ignoring Busta Rhymes and the Thorn cult, even Halloween II's reveal that Laurie is Michael's sister. This goes back to basics. Like H20, the film also concerns itself with how Laurie has dealt with her trauma, this time going to pretty drastic extremes, making Laurie an obsessive hermit and a bit of a pariah in her family. Personally, I think this makes a bit more sense for her character and perhaps more importantly, Curtis really sells it. She was good in H20 as well, but working with a better director here, she's able to dig a little deeper emotionally. It's a very powerful performance and to be honest I think I could have watched a pure drama about Laurie dealing with her grief and trauma. There's a restaurant scene which is a devastating moment.
I do think the existence of H20 does take the wind out of Green's film just a little bit. For as well-done as Laurie's arc is here, the fact that another film explores very similar territory with the same character and actress is worth noting. But what separates this film from H20 is that the elements outside of Jamie Lee Curtis are actually really good. I quite liked the new characters here, not only Laurie's daughter and granddaughter, but the granddaughter's circle friends too. They're a well-defined and likable bunch of kids and I was genuinely saddened to see some of them bite the dust. But bite they dust many do, and these murder scenes are very well-rendered. The kills here are genuinely gruesome and and violent, but without going to quite the unpleasant extremes that Rob Zombie did in his Halloween films. The result are some very tense and horrific set-pieces that reestablish Michael as a genuinely scary an formidable presence.
Halloween (2018) doesn't exactly reinvent the wheel, but it is a very well-crafted piece of horror filmmaking that I suspect will deliver for fans and those less familiar with the franchise. There's definitely some fan-service and referencing here, but most of it is a more clever and subversive variety, and the film doesn't stop in his tracks to pander to its audience. The film has some really strong cinematography and the filmmakers no how to stretch out a moment to maximize tension. In short, not only does the film deliver an engaging and rewarding personal story, but it also offers a highly tense and well-executed piece of horror filmmaking, to the point that it almost annoyed me. Put simply, Halloween (2018) is a great reminder of how engaging a slasher movie can be when made with care. Slashers have a reputation for being slapped together garbage, and while that's often true, these films can be a much more emotional cinematic experience. Such an experience is Halloween (2018). The film is by no means perfect. It largely adheres to expected elements and a handful of lines felt a little too clever for their own good, but at it's best, Halloween (2018) is almost Hitchcockian in its suspense sequences while also offering a blunt and uncompromising portrait of facing one's own fears.
So yeah, I really liked it.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Oct 23, 2018 22:58:09 GMT -5
Wow. I really didn't like that movie. The best thing I can say about it is that I didn't hate it as much as the last Halloween movie.
It's so fucking jumbled and uneven. Watching this movie I had various thoughts like "that's pretty cool...I'm kind of bored now...that's a nice shot...was that supposed to be funny?...that was neat, too bad it was lifted from another Halloween movie...I'm bored again...that's something neat that was in the trailer...I'm sure that's cool but I'm way past the point of caring now." My overall impression going out of it was that there were some promising moments of tension murdered by really bad script.
I didn't really care for the concept in general. We already had deca anniversary movie "reboots" with 4 and H20 and I wasn't really feeling another one featuring Myers with a senior discount and Jamie Lee Curtis pretending she's Sarah Conner (and I don't even care for Sarah Conner to begin with). The one thing that might have saved it for me is if they had went whole hog and just had Laurie married to Burt Gummer from the Tremors series.
On that note of the scream queen loading up to pump Myers full of lead, the third act of this movie is a goddamn disaster. The entire concept of this ending hinges on Laurie successfully luring Michael into her Home Alone house trap and how does she do this? She doesn't. Michael wanders aimlessly into it. He just happens to be chasing her granddaughter at the time and thats where she happens to be running. It's the all-time mega plot convenience that kills the Shape this time around. I guess I'm supposed to cheer at the girl power being displayed in the final act, and if it were in a better movie I might have. Instead when Judy Greer baited Myers with her "I CAN'T DO IT!...Got ya." I just thought to myself "It's been done. And I enjoyed those movies much more."
The lasting scene in this movie that kinda sums up my feeling about this movie as a whole is the scene where the blonde babysitter girl gets murdered quite brutally, all the while the kid she's babysitting is blaring out lines that are supposed to make the audience laugh, yet I sat there quite stumped as to how I was supposed to feel about this scene. I didn't get it. And I don't get the movie. If I were to make a bad pun, it retrofits the word "hollow" into Halloween. It's...nothing.
All I can say for certain is that this movie needs to be smacked.
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Post by IanTheCool on Oct 25, 2018 21:35:26 GMT -5
Why the F*** are they just calling this Halloween??
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Post by 1godzillafan on Oct 26, 2018 21:18:16 GMT -5
Because calling it "Labor Day" just didn't work at test screenings.
I am just thankful they didn't call it "The Halloween."
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Post by Deexan on Oct 27, 2018 9:02:52 GMT -5
Ian insists that all movies are called The Last Jedi these days.
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Post by IanTheCool on Oct 27, 2018 9:55:41 GMT -5
Its clearly a sequel, not a bloody remake.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Oct 27, 2018 16:47:43 GMT -5
I'll be honest and say I secretly hope that every sequel they make to this movie is just called "Halloween," just for lulz.
But knowing this franchise, all good will they build up with one sequel is usually pissed away with the next, so I don't expect it to last very long.
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Post by IanTheCool on Nov 7, 2018 18:48:25 GMT -5
Here are all the Halloween movies I've seen ranked:
1. Halloween 2. Halloween
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Post by PhantomKnight on Nov 7, 2018 19:10:55 GMT -5
Wow, we have the EXACT SAME ranking!
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Post by FShuttari on Nov 7, 2018 22:02:50 GMT -5
I've only seen H20 and this. I liked it.
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Post by Dracula on Nov 11, 2018 11:08:40 GMT -5
Right on time.
Halloween(10/31/2018)
I’ve long been called something of a film snob, a title I somewhat resent given that I consider myself to be about as well versed in low brow genre cinema as highbrow art films. Take the slasher movie for example, the disreputable horror sub-genre that Roger Ebert once dismissively called the “dead teenager movie.” It’s not exactly my favorite type of cinema either but I’ve seen a whole lot of it, and of my own free will to boot. Most notably I’ve seen every damn movie in the big three slasher franchises. That’s all nine Nightmare on Elm Street movies, all twelve Friday the 13th movies, and most pertinently all ten Halloween movies. Did I love all thirty of those movies? Not at all, in fact I’d say well over half of them are outright bad movies but it was interesting watching the trajectory of the three long standing series went in. For example, the The Nightmare on Elm Street movies were pretty consistently decent but pretty much never great and the Friday the 13th movies were pretty consistently crappy though occasionally fun. The Halloween franchise, by contrast, is all over the place in terms of quality. The original Halloween is a stone cold classic, a way better movie than any of those other movies and almost entirely because of John Carpenter’s sheer skill behind the camera. But the franchise also has some real oddities like Halloween III: The Season of the Witch, which ignores the series continuity entirely to tell a weird story about evil masks, as well as some real stinkers like Halloween: Resurrection in which Busta Rhymes repeatedly calls Michael Myers “Mikey.” The franchise was last seen being rebooted in the late 2000s by Rob Zombie with generally poor results, but they are now taking another stab (no pun intended) at bringing “The Shape” back to the screen with another sequel/reboot simply titled Halloween.
This new Halloween film is not a remake is instead a new sequel, one that ignores every other film in the franchise except for that 1978 original. It is set in the present day and alleges that shortly after the events of that first movie Michael Myers (James Jude Courtney/Nick Castle) was captured and placed into a mental asylum where he has been for the last forty years. Myers’ surviving victim Laurie Strode (Jamie Lee Curtis) is now pushing sixty and her experiences escaping from Myers have driven her to become something of a reclusive survivalist, a fact that has estranged her from her daughter Karen (Judy Greer) but she does have more of a working relationship with her teenage granddaughter Allyson (Andi Matichak). As the film begins the story of Michael Myer’s rampage is getting brought back up again by a pair of true crime reporters (Jefferson Hall and Rhian Rees) who try rather unsuccessfully to interview Myers, who has remained mute and unresponsive after all these years. Their visit does reveal one thing though; the state is planning to transport Myers to a different prison by bus on October 30th… that couldn’t possibly go wrong could it?
To longtime fans of the Halloween series this “ignore all the sequels besides the original and bring back Jamie Lee Curtis” approach will be a familiar one. The same basic thing was done in 1998 for the series’ 20th anniversary sequel Halloween H20, which had Laurie as a college professor in hiding after faking her death forced to contend once again with Myers. That movie was better than most of the Halloween sequels but it was made in the wake of Scream and while it wasn’t overly meta or snarky like that movie was it did follow the conventions of that late 90s slasher movie wave otherwise, and those conventions have not aged well. Rob Zombie’s Halloween remake came around about ten years later and it two is something of a product of its era. It was clearly greenlit after the success of 70s horror remakes like The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Dawn of the Dead, and The Hills Have Eyes and it had a certain “torture porn” edge to it. I remember having a viscerally unpleasant reaction to that movie and wrote a really nasty review of it but I must say looking back on it I think I might have over-reacted a little. That movie had problems but there were certainly elements of it that I liked and they stand out a bit more in my memory, but I digress.
The 2018 Halloween is interesting in that unlike the last two iterations of the series (and their respective lame-ass sequels) this is not really coming out amidst a wave of other slasher movies. The horror movies that are most in vogue right now are bad haunted house movies where ghosts jump out at the screen and go “boo!” after a few minutes of buildup, and that’s pretty far removed from the slasher genre that Michael Myers would become associated with. As such this movie seems to have doubled down on ties to the original movie. John Carpenter actually has some credits on it (though I’m not exactly sure how hands on he was) and they even brought back original Michael Myers actor Nick Castle back to reprise his role in a couple of scenes despite him being a 70 year old who was never a real actor to begin with. And yet, the film oddly doesn’t really play out like the original film when it comes to the actual horror scenes. In that first movie Michael Myers was a rather spectral presence; he would slowly stalk his victims and Carpenter would try to build maximum suspense before each kill. Here Michael Myers is more of a blunt instrument. He basically just walks up to random people and kills them in brutal fashion. The film is significantly more gory the first movie and actually reminded me a lot of Rob Zombie’s take on the series.
The movie certainly has elements that work. Seeing Jamie Lee Curtis go full Sarah Connor is interesting and Curtis certainly seems to have taken the part on with gusto. As a whole though I wasn’t very impressed by this reboot/sequel. Maybe I was expecting too much from it. Between its clear interest in righting the wrongs of past sequels and it’s immense popularity I guess I was expecting something really creative and special out of the movie and instead what I got just kind of felt like another slasher movie sequel in the series which made a lot of the same mistakes as the other ones. There may in fact prove to be no way to successfully follow up the 1978 film, which achieved a certain perfection through its simplicity and that any attempt to revisit the Michael Myers character is just going to diminish his mystique. Still if you’re going to try to do that I feel like you’re going to need to do a little more than this movie does to recreate that magic.
**1/2 out of Five
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