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Post by Deexan on Feb 7, 2018 12:06:00 GMT -5
Thor bridge scene.
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Post by PG Cooper on Feb 7, 2018 12:22:56 GMT -5
You know, I was actually gonna mention the foot chase from Baby Driver as my favourite chase from the film. Definitely deserved its win for Source Music.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 7, 2018 12:36:58 GMT -5
Dracula didn't watch any movies in 2017.
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Post by Dracula on Feb 7, 2018 12:45:31 GMT -5
The use of Immigrant Song in Thor was good but didn't strike me as a wildly creative choice, certainly nothing as interesting as the way it was used in The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo not that long ago.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 7, 2018 12:47:51 GMT -5
nothing as interesting as the way it was used in The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo not that long ago. As a James Bond style opening credits? Sure.
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Post by IanTheCool on Feb 7, 2018 18:35:40 GMT -5
Kingsman sucks. Move along...
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Post by Doomsday on Feb 7, 2018 18:48:50 GMT -5
Kingsman sucks. Move along... Finally someone said it.
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Post by Dracula on Feb 8, 2018 7:20:36 GMT -5
Best Set-piece
Set-piece is kind of a vague category that’s meant to award any kind of action/visual scene that doesn’t easily fit in the other major action scene categories. Previous winners include stuff like the embassy siege from Argo or the dawn of life scene from Tree of Life, so as you can see the range of possibilities is pretty large. Plane Crash/Rescue – Dunkirk: This is an interesting nomination for a couple of reasons, but mainly because it starts at one point in the movie and finishes later as the timelines converge. It begins up in the sky with Tom Hardy and Jack Lowden getting into a skirmish over the English channel in order to protect a minesweeper from a German bomber. They save the ship but Lowden’s plane is damaged and he needs to try landing on the water. This then continues later when the “sea” plotline catches up with the “air” plotline and Lowden finds himself trapped in his plane trying to get his cockpit open as it fills with water. You really feel the danger he’s in before he’s finally rescued by Rylance’s son. Kong Vs. Helicopters – Kong: Skull Island: This early scene from Kong: Skull Island is the big reveal of Kong and it wastes no time getting to the destruction from there. In it our band of soldiers fly in in Vietnam era helicopters and suddenly see this giant gorilla and their first instinct is to start shooting at it. Bad move. Kong immediately starts swatting these choppers like flies and before you know it most of the squadron is dead. The bluntness of the scene works for it as gives the audiences what they paid for quickly and it also establishes why the Samuel L. Jackson character is so angry at this monster. Everything Goes to Shit – mother!: In its second half the movie mother! becomes increasingly surreal and it begins to be impossible to view literally. In this sequence the house begins to be over-run by the Bardem character’s admirers and it becomes like the party sequence from the first half but on speed. These admirers become increasingly unruly and destructive and eventually straight up start shooting people and burning shit down to Jennifer Lawrence’s horror. Following the film’s metaphor this is supposed to represent the start of modern civilization and the development of warfare on the Earth. Monkey Man – The Square: This is a bit of an unconventional choice for this category as it isn’t exactly an expensive action scene but it is nonetheless a distinct sequence that is driven by visuals and as such I think it belongs. In the scene we see a high society crowd at a banquet at a modern art museum when suddenly a performance artist is brought out, almost as a form of entertainment. This performance artist, played by a guy named Terry Notary, does a rather impressive job of mimicking the mannerisms of an ape in the room and gets so into the role that he starts to make the guests really uncomfortable. This is apparently inspired by a real incident involving an artist named Oleg Kulik and it shows how a lot of these people claim to have a genuine interest in “edgy” art but really have pretty short limits on what they’re willing to accept. Opening Battle - Star Wars: Episode VIII – The Last Jedi: I would have rather this altercation had not been introduced with a “yo mama” joke but once things get underway it’s a very harrowing scene. It begins with Poe Dameron flying close to a dreadnaught in order to distract it and take out its surface cannons. Once those are destroyed he convinces the rebel bombers and their escorts to launch an attack and take out the weakened dreadnaught. The concept of bombs falling in the vacuum of space is a little odd, but it works as a tribute to World War II dogfights and it leads to this really suspenseful sequence where Paige Tico needs to retrieve the detonator to drop the bombs. And the Golden Stake Goes To…
Dunkirk
Dunkirk is kind of a hard movie for this category because in some ways the whole movie is a set piece. I could have nominated the sequence where the soldiers are trapped in the beached boat, or the scene where the water catches on fire, or the scene where the ship gets torpedoed… the list goes on and on. I ran into a similar problem with Gravity back in 2013 and I ultimately came to the same solution: pick one good sequence to nominate and give it the win to represent the movie’s overall set-piece prowess.
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Post by PG Cooper on Feb 8, 2018 11:07:17 GMT -5
Great set of nominees. Dunkirk certainly deserves its won but I also love the sequences from The Square and mother!
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Post by PhantomKnight on Feb 8, 2018 17:29:22 GMT -5
mother! is a movie I ultimately liked, but unfortunately, it'll always have a negative association in my mind in that about two and a half hours after finishing it, I became violently ill.
Great choice with Dunkirk, though.
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Post by Dracula on Feb 9, 2018 7:23:51 GMT -5
Best Makeup
Makeup is a weird little award to judge, I’m not sure why I made it into a Golden Stakes category when other technical categories like visual effects and costume design didn’t, but a tradition’s a tradition. A couple of footnotes: I’m viewing the creature design in The Shape of Water as more of a suit/visual effect than a makeup job. Also, the original Guardians of the Galaxy won this back in 2014 so I’m not terribly inclined to nominate vol. 2 for delivering more of the same. A Cure for Wellness: Gore Verbinski’s A Cure for Wellness isn’t exactly a movie that’s filled to the brim with makeup but there was one makeup element that really jumped out at me. That came late in the film when it’s revealed that the villainous Dr. Heinreich Volmer is actually a 200 year old baron who has been doing all sorts of evil things to prolong his life. Then his face gets ripped off to reveal an ugly rotting face that looks really cool for the film’s finale. Darkest Hour: The goal behind the makeup in movies like Darkest Hour is generally to make it look like the imitation is all the actor’s doing, but a lot of that transformation has to do with what goes on in the makeup chair before the director called “action.” Gary Oldman doesn’t really look all that much like Winston Churchill when you look at their pictures side by side and it becomes clear that they did a lot of work in order to bring that resemblance to life. It: A lot of people like the old mini-series version of It but whenever I look at old pictures from it I’m surprised at how basic the makeup that Tim Currry is wearing seems. For that thing it looks like they just went with stock clown makeup, added the teeth and called it a day. The new version reveals doesn’t exactly seem to be doing anything revolutionary but it’s an example of how a little extra effort into making makeup look smoother and better can elevate things. It Comes at Night: It Comes at Night is set during a zombie apocalypse of sorts, but one where most of the zombies are off screen and where their sickness feels more like exactly that: a sickness. When we do see the victims of this sickness they look like plague victims with blights all over their bodies and blood coming out of their mouths. It’s not the showiest approach they could have taken but it works well for the kind of down to earth apocalypse that’s going on in this movie. Kong: Skull Island: Though the film is primarily known for it’s CGI based action scenes there is one strong makeup element to it and that is the makeup job done on the native inhabitants of Skull Island. These natives, who are a distinct ethnic group separate from most actual tribal cultures, wear a sort of elaborate face paint covering on their bodies in a variety of elaborate patterns. They add a nice piece of visual interest to a section of the movie that easily could have just been a lot of bland exposition. And the Golden Stake Goes To…
Darkest Hour
I wasn’t even really thinking to give this movie the award until I did a little research into how much makeup work was involved in this performance. The main work on this was done by a guy named Kazuhiro Tsuji, who had actually quit makeup design despite not being that old in order to pursue a career as a sculptor, but he was convinced to come out of retirement to rise to this challenge. A big part of his success is that he didn’t go too far in his work and still let a certain amount of Gary Oldman through despite the makeup.
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Post by IanTheCool on Feb 9, 2018 7:44:38 GMT -5
Yeah, that one seems like a lock for an Oscar too.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 9, 2018 9:13:38 GMT -5
mother! is a movie I ultimately liked, but unfortunately, it'll always have a negative association in my mind in that about two and a half hours after finishing it, I became violently ill. Great choice with Dunkirk, though. Although mother! is absolute garbage... it is... memorable.
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Post by Dracula on Feb 9, 2018 20:29:58 GMT -5
Best Sound
Of all the awards I created for this thing the sound award is the one I’m consistently unqualified to judge. I’ve been doing it for years now though, so I can’t stop now. Let’s get this over with. Baby Driver: As with most chase movies Baby Driver has all kinds of revving engines and skids as well as some of the usual gunfire and the like, but unlike most chase movies this one needed to do the sound effects on beat. Most of the sound effects are laid out in the film to synch up with various pop songs in a variety of interesting ways. Those songs of course need to be well mixed into the film in the first place and there are also some interesting moments where the music needs to suddenly stop as earbuds are taken out and of course Baby’s tinnitus is well rendered in various scenes. Dunkirk: Movies that win sound awards tend to be pretty loud. You know what places tend to be loud? Warzones. So if you make a movie set in a warzone that’s probably going to get you some sound nominations. Here we have all sorts of gunshots and dive bombings as well as a great number of sinking ships but what really makes the sound here special are probably the aerial sequences in which the planes are desperately trying to outflank each other with constant propeller sounds and machinegun fire. Kong: Skull Island: Kong: Skull Island has a variety of action movie sound effects like helicopters and explosions and the like, but it also needs to contend with a lot of creature sound effects. King Kong himself needs to roar in all sorts of ways and his fellow creatures also have distinct roaring sound effects. It’s a movie where a giant gorilla chows down on a giant octopus, that’s probably not easy to come up with how that’s going to sound. Logan: Out of all the superhero movies this year, Logan is the one which made the most sense in this category for a handful of reasons. For one thing the movie has a lot of scenes where people get stabbed, complete with a lot of neat gory sound effects for each stabbing. It’s also got those scenes where Professor X has his episodes and everyone stands still, which have a neat sound in the background. On top of that there’s the usual action movie stuff like gunfire and car crashes and stuff. The Shape of Water: The Shape of Water is probably the least noisy of these nominees, but it makes up for it by having some unique challenges. For one there’s the whole vault thing with the water tank, that probably isn’t easy to mix for. Then there are the various sounds that the film’s signature creature ends up making. Between that and the dripping water in that one scene and a couple other neat little scenes this makes sense as an audio achievement. And the Golden Stake Goes To…
Baby Driver
Any other year and Dunkirk would have probably had this in the bag, but Baby Driver was a movie that was pretty much invented from the bottom up to impress in sound design. It’s such a unique challenge and so well done that it’s kind of impossible to ignore.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Feb 9, 2018 20:34:07 GMT -5
I see your logic, and I can't necessarily argue against your choice, but Dunkirk's use of sound, though...
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Post by PG Cooper on Feb 10, 2018 0:00:59 GMT -5
Yeah, that logic makes sense. I feel like Phantom Thread deserves a nod for the one breakfast scene alone.
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Post by Dracula on Feb 10, 2018 11:43:51 GMT -5
Best Art Direction
Art Direction is an award for a movie’s design team, mainly in the set decoration but also extending to the props and in some cases even the costumes. My taste in this category tends towards the gaudy. There’s certainly something to be said for set decorators that do subtle and work that doesn’t bring attention to itself, but there won’t be a lot of that here this year. Blade Runner 2049: The original Blade Runner can pretty safely be said to have some of the best art direction of all time, so Denis Villeneuve had big shoes to fill when he assembled his own design team. Wisely he opts to expand on the original film’s world rather than recreate it. The film’s vision of Los Angeles is still awesome, but it’s version of Las Vegas is also cool and so is its view of the area on the outskirts of Los Angeles like the slave camp. A Cure for Wellness: In this category I considered a lot of movies that were set largely inside of these decadent period mansions like The Beguiled and Phantom Thread, but those actual good movies were all one upped by Gore Verbinski’s less than the sum of its parts horror movie A Cure for Wellness. Set in this immaculate health clinic that’s been modified from an old mansion, the film has been heavily designed with all sorts of interesting little details to make this place intrinsically unsettling. The Shape of Water: Guillermo del Toro is a guy who walks around with a sketch book that he fills with interesting design ideas. People like that tend to make movies that do well in this category. The Shape of Water is set in 1961 but the design work here is not necessarily meant to be “accurate” so much as kind of surreal pastiche. The most obvious triumph is the government facility with the big vault and the work on other locations like the diner and the apartments is also quite good. Valarian and the City of a Thousand Planets: Just about every year in this category I end up nominating an expensive would be blockbuster that was a little too creative for its own good and ended up flopping from its weirdness. Looking at you Warcraft and Tomorrowland. These movies hard work will not go unrecognized by me however and this year’s winner of the annual “alienating levels of design” nomination is Luc Besson’s Valerian etc. which has one of the nuttiest space stations you’ve ever seen and all sorts of other weirdness to bring to the table. Wonder Wheel: When you think “Woody Allen movie” you generally don’t think “visual powerhouse” but his Amazon deal has given him more resources than he usually gets and he’s put them to good use. In this case he’s managed to rather meticulously recreate what Coney Island looked like in the 1950s. Whether it’s his recreation of the famous Coney Island beaches or the recreation of the midway or the main character’s apartment overlooking the titular Ferris Wheel it’s almost always fun to look at. And the Golden Stake Goes To…
Blade Runner 2049
Pretty much as soon as this movie was announced I knew that it’s art direction would need to be awards worthy or else this movie would end up being quite the disappointment. This is quite simply a great movie to look at and the confidence with which it enters the world of Blade Runner is kind of amazing. It’s fearless in going its own way but doesn’t let its source material down, but this isn’t just an award for its ability to work in relation to the original film, it would plainly be a great work of art direction just on its own.
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Post by IanTheCool on Feb 10, 2018 12:42:12 GMT -5
An interesting list of nominees.
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Post by PG Cooper on Feb 10, 2018 13:23:32 GMT -5
Great choice.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Feb 10, 2018 13:29:16 GMT -5
Agreed. Though both A Cure For Wellness (props to you for nominating it) and The Shape of Water were both strong contenders as well.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 10, 2018 18:24:41 GMT -5
An interesting list of nominees. Cure 4 Wellness > Star Wars: The Last Jedi
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Post by IanTheCool on Feb 10, 2018 18:28:56 GMT -5
I'll take that into consideration.
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Post by Dracula on Feb 11, 2018 10:56:21 GMT -5
Best Score
I usually have a tough time with this category as I am not really a “score person.” I don’t collect “original score” albums and background music does not tend to be the aspect of movies that I pay the most attention to. That said I’m somewhat confident in my choices here, in no small part because it’s gotten a lot easier to re-review scores these days. Dunkirk: Christopher Nolan has been working with Hans Zimmer since Batman Begin and this is quickly becoming one of those director/composer collaborations that’s right up there with Hitchcock and Herrmann or Burton and Elfman. Zimmer’s work is always bombastic and intense but here it seems particularly pulse-pounding and focused on ratcheting up as much tension as can possibly wrung from what’s happening onscreen. I left off Zimmer’s work on Blade Runner 2049 in favor of this one, and while the music on that other film might have been more aesthetically pleasing but I have a much harder time imagining Dunkirk with any other score. A Ghost Story: A Ghost Story is a movie with very little dialog in it so the music in it really stands out. The music here was composed by a guy named Daniel Hart, who has a day job with a pair of indie bands called The Physics of Meaning and Dark Rooms but who has also done the music on all of director David Lowery’s films. His music here is appropriately mournful, but not in a necessarily dour way, more in a sort of wistful way that acknowledges the possibility of a better future. Good Time: The Safdie Brothers tried to do an electronic synth score in their last movie Heaven Knows What, and while that score was good musically I don’t think it really fit that movie. They try to do something similar with Good Time, this time enlisting an electronic musician who goes by the name Oneohtrix Point Never and given the film’s genre elements I think it works significantly better here. This score, which sounds like straight-up Trance music at times, does a good job of emphasizing the main character’s desperation and the seediness of his nighttime surroundings. Phantom Thread: It’s hard to remember that Paul Thomas Anderson was actually a pretty successful filmmaker before he started working with Radiohead guitarist Jonny Greenwood on film scores and Greenwood has clearly been the one consistent element of this last four film run he’s gone on. It’s also interesting that, while his work here certainly isn’t conventional, it’s a bit closer to traditional classical music than some of what he’s done before, but that probably fits this milieu. Greenwood is, of course a guitarist, and you can hear that here as stringed instruments are clearly dominant, but the score does vary itself nicely throughout and can be quite haunting at times. The Shape of Water: For his score to The Shape of Water Alexandre Desplat was mainly tasked with emphasizing the film’s sense of romance. Desplat taps into his French roots for this and despite the fact that the film is very pointedly set in America a lot of the music kind of resembles the kind of thing you’d hear playing in the background of a montage of images from Paris. Desplat also doesn’t ignore the B-movie elements that the movie trades in and adds some kind of spooky music in as well. And the Golden Stake Goes To…
Phantom Thread
I really had trouble with this category and labored to whittle it down to five nominees and found myself listening to a lot of these scores on Spotify to make sure I got a good set of nominees. From there I could pretty much pick the actual winner out of a hat. Some years I go into this with a clear winner in this category and sometimes it’s a toss-up like this, and I strongly considered giving it to all of these. Ultimately I went with Phantom Thread because of how many different things it does over the course of the film’s run time and just from the fact that it was ultimately the score I most enjoyed listening to.
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Post by PG Cooper on Feb 11, 2018 14:13:10 GMT -5
Tough category, but I think you made the right choice.
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Post by IanTheCool on Feb 11, 2018 14:48:05 GMT -5
I know many composers are derivative of themselves, but shape of water sounded very similar to Pans.
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