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Post by FShuttari on Jan 18, 2018 1:27:56 GMT -5
Yes that video nails it, Thanks @fanible for sharing. You know exactly why a guy is asking you into his apartment after a dinner date. You are giving the impression you are interested in being intimate. If you are an adult living in America, that's exactly what it means.
In the video, that girls says "what if I just want a kiss in the apartment" NO that is STUPID! You know what your signing up for when you go into your dates apartment. This isn't rocket science.
Grace whatever the crap her fake name is, she knew what she was doing, they had bad chemistry and didn't communicate well, end of story.
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Post by Deexan on Jan 18, 2018 6:15:51 GMT -5
Going into someone's apartment after a date automatically = a willingness to have sex, and anyone that thinks otherwise is stupid? Good to know. Please impart more of your worldly knowledge on absolutes of the dating scene.
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Post by Dracula on Jan 18, 2018 7:16:24 GMT -5
I kind of disagree with both sides of the public discourse on this. Assuming her story is true "Grace" had every right to tell it just like Ed Sheeran has every right to write a song about Ellie Goulding cheating on him. It might have been nice if we waited until after #MeToo had died down so Ansari wouldn't immediately get lumped in with all the "_______ Accused" headlines, but again, she's not Ansari's publicist and has no obligation to make sure he gets good press. On the other hand I the people reading the story should probably see it for what it is instead of becoming a judgemental mob. I'm certainly not going to stop watching Ansari's stuff over this, then again I'm the one who has no qualms about seeing Roman Polanski movies so my views on this sort of thing might be a bit different than others.
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Post by Seakazoo on Jan 18, 2018 10:20:46 GMT -5
Going into someone's apartment after a date automatically = a willingness to have sex, and anyone that thinks otherwise is stupid? Good to know. Please impart more of your worldly knowledge on absolutes of the dating scene.
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Post by Fanible on Jan 18, 2018 12:04:30 GMT -5
The point towards the end of the video is communication. You can want to go back to someone's apartment and not necessarily engage in sexual acts, but men are men. You should at least have an inkling that a man is clearly sexually attracted to you and is interested as such if he's inviting you back to his apartment. Yes, that is Dating 101. Men are not some mysterious animals. Especially after he is trying to go down on you, if you're not wanting to take it there, communicate. Don't just let it happen and give "non-verbal cues". Clearly communicate. It's not that complicated. "I'm not interested in doing that tonight. Let's just hang out." And if he pursues it further beyond that, end it. Go home.
Most people are smart. This is not rocket science. Hopefully lessons learned on both parts. Ansari's approach was a tad on the creepy side as he clearly misread the situation and hopefully he learned from that. And on other side of the fence, hopefully she now knows to say out loud 'enough is enough' and leave when it's going too far for her liking.
The mature responses to the entire situation is exactly how it already played out. On both sides. He followed up with her via text messages (again, clearly having misread the situation), telling her he had a good time and wanted to see her again. She responded that she didn't have a good time and she had been uncomfortable. He then responded that he didn't realize and that he was truly sorry. The communication THERE was perfect. She let him know she was not happy with the date and not interested in continuing. He let it be and apologized.
Where it was taken to another, wholly unnecessary level, was her feeling the need to go to the press about it and potentially destroy someone's career. Which she has to have known was a possibility, and possibly even counting on it. That's the main point of this discussion. Not 'was he wrong, was she right'. Rather, was this anything more than a shitty date and did it really need to be brought to the press for the purpose of burning someone at the stake? This was not sexual assault, and clearly this situation is a good lesson in this movement encouraging women to speak up. They NEED to be speaking up, but they need to know the difference. This has provided a much needed conversation among everything that has been happening lately.
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Post by Deexan on Jan 18, 2018 12:47:09 GMT -5
If she really did this out of vengeance and a desire to ruin his career, she could quite easily have embellished the story to make it sound much worse and do lasting damage to his reputation.
As you say, it's provided relevant discourse and the vast majority are, rightly, not treating this as sexual assault. If it leads to one person who read the story thinking carefully about their approach in a similar situation then that can only be a good thing.
I'm sure Aziz's world will keep on turning.
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Post by thebtskink on Jan 18, 2018 14:01:40 GMT -5
I do think it's fair to criticize the reporter and publication. Some of the gravity of the reporting is taken away by some details and wording which seems only designed to tittilate.
If another publication had ran with the story I don't think there would be as much pushback in the discourse.
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Post by FShuttari on Jan 18, 2018 14:08:13 GMT -5
If she really did this out of vengeance and a desire to ruin his career, she could quite easily have embellished the story to make it sound much worse and do lasting damage to his reputation. As you say, it's provided relevant discourse and the vast majority are, rightly, not treating this as sexual assault. If it leads to one person who read the story thinking carefully about their approach in a similar situation then that can only be a good thing. I'm sure Aziz's world will keep on turning. Its kind of common knowledge if you go back to a guys apartment after a date, he will make a move for intimacy... I mean that's basically what it was like in my college days... If a girl didn't want to partake in anything more intimate, the girl would say "No thanks" and I would get the hint shes not interested in anything more sexual. I could ask her on another date, and see if she says yes down the line. This is basic dating etiquette from what I remember.
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Post by Neverending on Jan 20, 2018 7:29:13 GMT -5
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Post by Deexan on Jan 20, 2018 10:43:02 GMT -5
If she really did this out of vengeance and a desire to ruin his career, she could quite easily have embellished the story to make it sound much worse and do lasting damage to his reputation. As you say, it's provided relevant discourse and the vast majority are, rightly, not treating this as sexual assault. If it leads to one person who read the story thinking carefully about their approach in a similar situation then that can only be a good thing. I'm sure Aziz's world will keep on turning. Its kind of common knowledge if you go back to a guys apartment after a date, he will make a move for intimacy... I mean that's basically what it was like in my college days... If a girl didn't want to partake in anything more intimate, the girl would say "No thanks" and I would get the hint shes not interested in anything more sexual. I could ask her on another date, and see if she says yes down the line. This is basic dating etiquette from what I remember. From what you remember...of your college days... And as we all know, dating at college and as a grown man in the mid-to-late 30s is identical.
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Post by FShuttari on Jan 20, 2018 13:26:45 GMT -5
Its kind of common knowledge if you go back to a guys apartment after a date, he will make a move for intimacy... I mean that's basically what it was like in my college days... If a girl didn't want to partake in anything more intimate, the girl would say "No thanks" and I would get the hint shes not interested in anything more sexual. I could ask her on another date, and see if she says yes down the line. This is basic dating etiquette from what I remember. From what you remember...of your college days... And as we all know, dating at college and as a grown man in the mid-to-late 30s is identical. It kind of is... my single friend who are much older follow these same rules. Even girls say it’s what they expect from guys as well. If I like a guy I will go on a date, and I expect him to ask me to go to his place. Girls can say 1 not tonight maybe next time 2 no, they didn’t like how the date went and this is the end 3 yes, they are interested and continue the evening, they expect the guy to make a move at this point
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Post by Deexan on Jan 21, 2018 18:13:47 GMT -5
Fascinating.
Please, tell us more about the things girls can and can't say.
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