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Post by Neverending on Jun 27, 2023 23:08:02 GMT -5
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Post by Neverending on Jul 8, 2023 2:33:24 GMT -5
I finally indulged SnoBorderZero and watched Raiders. Thoughts: — Is the Disney+ version in 4K? Of the three Indy movies (the two newer ones don’t exist), I always felt Raiders looked the worst. The film stock isn’t very good and it has that brown tint to it that I’m not too fond of. But this version of it is pretty good. Some weird lighting aside, I wasn’t too bothered by the look of it. — Raiders and Last Crusade get lumped in together. “IT BELONGS IN A MUSEUM!” wasn’t a theme at all here. Indy is compensated for the artifacts he brings in. People criticize Temple of Doom because Indy sells the remains of Nurhaci to Lao Che, but that’s very much in character based on what we see in Raiders. Indy got paid by the government to bring in the Ark. At the end, Marcus and Indy aren’t complaining “cause it belongs in a museum.” They’re arguing they should be allowed to research it. The Ark is government property. It isn’t owned by the museum. — Marion does a fair amount of screaming and whining. This notion that she’s “the tough girl” is overblown. She’s very much a damsel in distress. Indy saves her life like three different times and Belloq very much intended on making her his sex slave. Then there’s also the weird backstory between Indy and Marion. My understanding is that Indy was a student of her father and Indy slept with Marion (who was underage) and her father got upset and disowned Indy. So Indy just dipped. Indy ripped and dipped Marion and then 30 years later marries her? Yeah, ok. — The Big Bang Theory is incorrect. Indy is vital to the story. Without him, they don’t get the medallion that leads them to the ark. — On that note, I’m still not quite sure what Indy’s plan was all along? He makes it easy to get discovered and pretty much does all the heavy lifting for Belloq and the Nazi’s. Indiana Jones isn’t a very good hero. He just has more common sense than the bad guys. That’s probably what makes him appealing to audiences. He’s certainly very human. — Which leads me to my final observation. The U.S. government did the right thing. They threw the Ark in a box and put it away in storage. lol. — Also, the line, “it’s not the years it’s the mileage” has a lot more weight to it when you’re an adult.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jul 8, 2023 13:14:17 GMT -5
I thought the 4K looked murky too. Wasn't a fan of the transfers of any of the original trilogy when I rewatched them.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 8, 2023 18:15:46 GMT -5
I thought the 4K looked murky too. Wasn't a fan of the transfers of any of the original trilogy when I rewatched them. Temple of Doom — It has my favorite opening of the series. Anything Goes. Club Obi Wan. Short Round’s introduction. Dan Aykroyd. “We’re not sinking. We’re crashing!” This is peak Indiana Jones. — Controversial opinion. I like Willie Scott. She screams and whines a lot but the movie is self aware of it and gets a lot of humor out of it. — Another controversial opinion. I think Kate Capshaw has better chemistry with Harrison Ford than Karen Allen. Marion was too young for Indiana Jones. Yeah. Yeah. I know. Carrie Fisher. Princess Leia. But Carrie Fisher had a lot of sass that played off well opposite Han Solo. Marion in Raiders might as well been that college girl who wrote “love you” on her eye lids. Kate Capshaw, as an actress, came across more mature and had great banter with Harrison Ford. The scene in which Indy and Willie are contemplating sleeping together, the 5 minutes scene, is a very fun comedic set piece that is enhanced by the performances. Kate Capshaw isn’t given the credit she deserves. She’s excellent in the role. — Temple of Doom was my favorite Indy as a kid. I didn’t know people hated it till I got the internet. But I can see why it doesn’t hold up. The script ends and the movie just keeps on going. Indiana Jones gets the stones and frees the kids and then we gotta sit through THREE action set pieces?? The story is over! Spielberg, what are you doing? The script certainly needed to be refined, or at the very least, those action scenes needed to be trimmed down or condensed. — George Lucas gets a lot of heat for Temple of Doom. “I was going through a divorce!” But Spielberg needs to take accountability. He had waaayyy more creative control than he’s willing to admit. This felt waaayyy more like an Amblin era Spielberg film than a George Lucas production. This fits in more with Poltergeist and Gremlins than Howard the Duck and Willow. Spielberg’s fingerprints are all over this but the PG-13 controversy certainly got to him.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 9, 2023 18:27:25 GMT -5
SnoBorderZero left me hanging. Last Crusade -- There is an argument to be made that Last Crusade is the most boring of the Indiana Jones movies. Raiders is Raiders. Temple of Doom gave us the PG-13 Rating. Crystal Skull and Dial of Destiny are science fiction. There's really no hook to Last Crusade. It's vanilla ice cream. But... it does have the most competent of all the screenplays. The story flows very well. All the characters are engaging. The holy grail is a strong macguffin. My only complaint is that Marcus and Sallah were unnecessary. Spielberg was hanging on to Raiders fanbait a little too much. But that's a minor complaint. Objectively, Last Crusade is the best of these movies. It's just not the most memorable one. If Crystal Skull and Dial of Destiny had actually been good movies, I think Last Crusade's reputation would have taken a hit. Nothing wrong with vanilla ice cream. Just add some toppings to it.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jul 9, 2023 20:25:05 GMT -5
Temple of Doom — It has my favorite opening of the series. Anything Goes. Club Obi Wan. Short Round’s introduction. Dan Aykroyd. “We’re not sinking. We’re crashing!” This is peak Indiana Jones. — Controversial opinion. I like Willie Scott. She screams and whines a lot but the movie is self aware of it and gets a lot of humor out of it. — Another controversial opinion. I think Kate Capshaw has better chemistry with Harrison Ford than Karen Allen. Marion was too young for Indiana Jones. Yeah. Yeah. I know. Carrie Fisher. Princess Leia. But Carrie Fisher had a lot of sass that played off well opposite Han Solo. Marion in Raiders might as well been that college girl who wrote “love you” on her eye lids. Kate Capshaw, as an actress, came across more mature and had great banter with Harrison Ford. The scene in which Indy and Willie are contemplating sleeping together, the 5 minutes scene, is a very fun comedic set piece that is enhanced by the performances. Kate Capshaw isn’t given the credit she deserves. She’s excellent in the role. — Temple of Doom was my favorite Indy as a kid. I didn’t know people hated it till I got the internet. But I can see why it doesn’t hold up. The script ends and the movie just keeps on going. Indiana Jones gets the stones and frees the kids and then we gotta sit through THREE action set pieces?? The story is over! Spielberg, what are you doing? The script certainly needed to be refined, or at the very least, those action scenes needed to be trimmed down or condensed. — George Lucas gets a lot of heat for Temple of Doom. “I was going through a divorce!” But Spielberg needs to take accountability. He had waaayyy more creative control than he’s willing to admit. This felt waaayyy more like an Amblin era Spielberg film than a George Lucas production. This fits in more with Poltergeist and Gremlins than Howard the Duck and Willow. Spielberg’s fingerprints are all over this but the PG-13 controversy certainly got to him. Not a huge fan of the opening. Doesn't feel like Indiana Jones for me. But it's funny seeing him in a white tux a la James Bond. Kate Capshaw is so annoying in Temple of Doom. No redeeming element to her character other than to just scream and ask questions for Indy and Short Round to answer that are essentially for the audience. I can't tell if she's just not good at acting or if she's actually really good at playing an extremely annoying character. The final action pieces are really good and pick the movie up from the sort of middling territory it basks in for much of the film. Indy makes a lot of stupid decisions and Temple of Doom just isn't nearly as fun as Raiders despite being a much more absurd movie. A lot of moments that aren't great. Like when they drop from the plane on the raft and miraculously slide on it all the way down the mountain to safety. It's borderline fridge scene from Crystal Skull. Ford's acting isn't great when he's possessed and you sort of aren't sure the whole time if he's faking it or not until the spell is broken. He's not very convincing and it's kind of strange because Temple of Doom almost feels like they're figuring out the Indiana Jones character which doesn't make sense because they already nailed it in Raiders. Nah, this has the stink of George Lucas all over it. He and William Hyuck pushed it into extreme silliness devoid of charm, just like they did with every movie they collaborated on. Short Round saves Temple of Doom. Without him, it's the Crystal Skull of the original trilogy. Temple of Doom isn't great, but I think it does justtttt enough to squeak by for me to consider it an alright movie. Raiders: 9/10, 10/10? Temple: 7 Last Crusade: 8 Crystal Skull: 5 Dial: 6
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jul 9, 2023 20:29:03 GMT -5
SnoBorderZero left me hanging. Last Crusade -- There is an argument to be made that Last Crusade is the most boring of the Indiana Jones movies. Raiders is Raiders. Temple of Doom gave us the PG-13 Rating. Crystal Skull and Dial of Destiny are science fiction. There's really no hook to Last Crusade. It's vanilla ice cream. But... it does have the most competent of all the screenplays. The story flows very well. All the characters are engaging. The holy grail is a strong macguffin. My only complaint is that Marcus and Sallah were unnecessary. Spielberg was hanging on to Raiders fanbait a little too much. But that's a minor complaint. Objectively, Last Crusade is the best of these movies. It's just not the most memorable one. If Crystal Skull and Dial of Destiny had actually been good movies, I think Last Crusade's reputation would have taken a hit. Nothing wrong with vanilla ice cream. Just add some toppings to it. I think that's fair. Last Crusade is easily the most polished of the franchise. It doesn't have the spectacular set pieces of Raiders (though it does have some very good ones especially the double opening scenes) but you just feel like everything really clicks from the narrative to the performances. Watching it right after Temple of Doom you can feel them righting the ship after 5 years. It's understandable why it's the favorite for many. I don't think it's better than Raiders overall, but it does surpass it in certain areas.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 10, 2023 0:25:59 GMT -5
Nah, this has the stink of George Lucas all over it. He and William Hyuck pushed it into extreme silliness devoid of charm, just like they did with every movie they collaborated on. You’re high, Sno. George Lucas is the one that gave us, “I hate sand.” And Willard Huyck gave us Lea Thompson sleeping with a midget in a duck suit. The banter between Harrison Ford and Kate Capshaw was orchestrated by Steven Spielberg. The 5-minutes scene is a Spielberg creation. Short Round and the slave children has Spielberg written all over it. The ending in which the mob of malnourished and physically injured children manage to run and cheer into town while Indy and Willie try to kiss is the sort of silliness that was the norm for Amblin era Spielberg. Add to that the action scenes that Spielberg admitted to improvising on set, since he didn’t storyboard a single frame of this movie, and you see that Spielberg had more creative control than he’s willing to confess to. Temple of Doom is 1941 Spielberg but with the experience of having made 1941. This is the Spielberg we would have gotten if Raiders had flopped. The man has schlock in him. Just look at Hook! I think that's fair. Last Crusade is easily the most polished of the franchise. It doesn't have the spectacular set pieces of Raiders (though it does have some very good ones especially the double opening scenes) but you just feel like everything really clicks from the narrative to the performances. Watching it right after Temple of Doom you can feel them righting the ship after 5 years. It's understandable why it's the favorite for many. I don't think it's better than Raiders overall, but it does surpass it in certain areas. Raiders doesn’t have a good script. They know where the Ark is. They just need to learn where to dig for it, which turns out to be next to an airport. lol. Yeah. Ok. On the flip side, it does have most of the best set pieces in the series. Crusade doesn’t have better set pieces than Raiders. It doesn’t have better effects than Temple of Doom. But the script is a lot more engaging. There’s a story. There’s genuine relationships among the characters. The holy grail is actually interesting as an artifact. It’s objectively the best of the three but it is missing that “it” factor that the other two have.
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