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Post by Jibbs on Jul 15, 2017 19:39:16 GMT -5
War for the Planet of the Apes (2017)The newest incarnation of "Planet of the Apes" started in 2011 with "Rise of the Planet of the Apes," followed by "Dawn of the Planet of the Apes" in 2014, and now, to finished what must be the longest titled trilogy ever, "War for the Planet of the Apes." The first two movies were more than serviceable as action movies that entertained throughout, but what has kept this series close to heart was that extra level. "Rise" looked back to the original 1968 film, which is well known for its themes and social commentary, and decided to find a new voice, this time about man's hubris and treatment of "lesser" creatures and Mother Earth. It breathed air into the franchise after Tim Burton's, at best, "confusing" take, and it's what brings me back. "Dawn" kept it going by expanding what is now an epic story by having entire species going in opposite directions and meeting in the middle bringing with it many questions. So here we are, in the conclusion of the series. (Or maybe there will be more, I couldn't say. A discussion for later.) Does "War" bring this extra level to the latest summer action blockbuster? I am very disappointed to say, no, I don't believe it does. It's an enjoyable enough movie, but it has a slow start, a very frustrating ending, questionable character choices and even musical cues, but most importantly it really doesn't seem to have much to say. Instead, when it's not about man vs. ape, it spends its time seemingly creating a lead-in to the original Planet of the Apes. Whether they're doing this for a fun sense of continuity or so they can one day redo something strongly resembling the original is irrelevant, it's just not that good and its a bit forced. Perhaps the biggest problem this movie has is its ending, which we can discuss when more people have seen it. And while I'm complaining, whoever thought sticking Steve Zahn in as a goofy, comic relief ape should feel very bad. The movie certainly has its perks. One thing this series has done very well is create full-fledged ape characters. How can we feel anything for them if they were a bunch of silly monkeys? We have a few returning characters and a few new ones. Andy Serkis is great as always and takes the character to new heights. And the ape special effects have basically been perfected. It's a fun movie, but it's basically been cobbled together from human movies we have already seen and is ultimately unworthy for the potential that this franchise had promised. **.5/****
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Post by Wyldstaar on Jul 15, 2017 20:18:29 GMT -5
The newest incarnation of "Planet of the Apes" started in 2011 with "Rise of the Planet of the Apes," followed by "Dawn of the Planet of the Apes" in 2014, and now, to finished what must be the longest titled trilogy ever, "War for the Planet of the Apes." You're forgetting The Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring, The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers & The Lord of the Rings: Return of the King.
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Post by Fanible on Jul 15, 2017 20:20:25 GMT -5
That's too bad. I really liked it, including Steve Zahn's "Bad Ape". Has now rounded out to be one of my favorite trilogies of all time.
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Post by Jibbs on Jul 15, 2017 21:08:54 GMT -5
Yeah, I appear to be in the minority here.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 15, 2017 21:20:22 GMT -5
Couple thoughts to throw out 1. It's really cool that they actually incorporated the origin of the Alpha/Omega cult from Beneath the Planet of the Apes into this thing.
2. They clearly made a mistake by setting Rise in San Francisco as it seems rather unlikely that both the apes and Alpha/Omega are going to get to the east coast fast enough to fuck up the statue of liberty any time soon.
3. Having the last remnants of humanity get wiped out by a freak deus ex machina avalanche was a truly inexplicable decision.
4. If Caesar was morally injured by the arrow why was he able to travel miles upon miles to... wherever that ending was supposed to be before anyone noticed? That said I mostly liked the movie and probably enjoyed it most out of the three despite the problems, but I'm kind of in the minority for not really loving those first two, so take that with a grain of salt.
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Post by Jibbs on Jul 15, 2017 21:28:37 GMT -5
Yes, on #3. -_- I thought... After their victory, one of them was going to take off their mask, and...its an ape. Someone said earlier in the movie after meeting Bad Ape that it was interesting there were more outside the San Francisco area. It would imply the war was over long before we thought. Also, we couldn't see any of their skin.
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Post by Doomsday on Jul 16, 2017 19:24:07 GMT -5
I enjoyed the second one but I wasn't very fond of the first. Like Dracula I know I'm in the minority.
As someone who hasn't watched the new one though I do have to say it looks like a carbon copy of #2. Not that it's a bad thing, it's just noticeable.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 17, 2017 15:01:32 GMT -5
Some initial thoughts: Fantastic. Gripping. Oppressive. Extremely emotional. One of the best movies of the year, and a satisfying cap to what has to be one of the best modern movie trilogies, and this is coming from a guy who, when Rise was first coming out, thought it looked dumb. Boy was I wrong. Andy Serkis deserves SOME kind of recognition for his phenomenal work as Caesar. Just...wow.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 19, 2017 11:28:26 GMT -5
I really liked it, though not as much as Dawn.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 19, 2017 12:00:23 GMT -5
For me:
Dawn War Rise
Overall, I like Matt Reeves' directing/storytelling sensibilities more than Rupert Wyatt's, but whereas War is such a dark and oppressive film (rightfully so), there's at least a sense of hope in Dawn that pulls you through the film a little bit better.
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Post by daniel on Jul 19, 2017 19:19:52 GMT -5
A bit slow, could have been trimmed a bit here and there, but ultimately a good bookend to the trilogy.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 22, 2017 8:34:45 GMT -5
War for the Planet of the Apes(7/14/2017)
There’s nothing quite as annoying as being out of touch with the popular consensus about a movie, but only by a little. When you love a movie everyone loves you get to luxuriate in the world’s excitement, when you hate a movie everyone hates you get to join in on the feeding frenzy, when you love a movie everyone hates you get the privilege of being an iconoclast who sees in something what everyone else doesn’t, and even when you hate a movie everyone else loves you at least get to smugly point out that the emperor has no clothes. However, it’s a lot less fun to be the guy who’s going “hey, you know that movie everyone’s going crazy for? I also like it a lot but think you guys are maybe going overboard, it’s not that good.” This is a difficult position to be in because it requires you to engage in nuance when the internet masses would rather revel in hyperbole. It’s also difficult because you find yourself sounding like you dislike the movie more than you actually do because you focus so much on the negatives in order to justify your position that you don’t bother bringing up the positive elements with which you more or less agree with the consensus. Ever since it debuted in 2011 the rebooted Planet of the Apes franchise has kind of been putting me in this annoying little boat, and it’s particularly annoying in their case because my slight disconnect with them is less the result of me seeing gaping holes in them and more just a matter of not being quite as impressed by their achievements as some people are. This will be put to the test once again by the latest film in the series: War for the Planet of the Apes.
Set months, maybe years after the end of Dawn of the Planet of the Apes this new entry begins with Caesar (Andy Serkis) capturing a handful of human soldiers after a skirmish and opting to free them rather than execute the captives, hoping they’ll send a message that the apes are willing to live peacefully if left alone. Anyone familiar with this series’ take on human nature will not be surprised to learn that this message fell on deaf ears and they are soon attacked once again, this time by a special forces quad being personally led by the commanding officer of this outfit, a guy named Colonel McCullough (Woody Harrelson), and their raid leaves Caesar’s son and wife dead. Swearing vengeance Caesar decides to seek out McCullough and kill him and orders the rest of his ape brethren to march away in the opposite direction towards a safe spot that they’ve scouted. As he heads for McCullough Caesar is joined by other close associates who insist on accompanying him including Maurice (Karin Konoval). Along the way they encounter a chimp who wasn’t part of their tribe (Steve Zahn) and a little human girl named Nova (Amiah Miller) who’s been rendered mute by an evolution of the plague that caused all this trouble in the first place. These two tag along but it quickly becomes clear that their dealings with McCullough will be more difficult that they initially imagined.
As previously stated, I liked the first two rebooted Apes movies but they never really exuded greatness to me despite having a no shortage of great elements on paper. I think I more or less feel the same way about this one, and yet I also kind of liked it better than both of its predecessors even though I think it has more glaring flaws than both of them. I think the main thing that makes it work better for me is that it’s the first of these movies to entirely get rid of human good guys. Rise and Dawn were both ultimately movies about Caesar and got endless credit for managing to build movies around a non-human character, but let’s not forget that those movies also prominently featured James Franco and Joel Edgerton respectively as humans who would try to form friendships with the apes only to see their work undone by their intolerant human brethren. There’s almost none of that here. I suppose Nova it technically a human being who is a “good guy,” but her young age, absence of speech, and lack of apparent loyalty to humanity in many ways makes her an honorary ape more so than a human. With that exception pretty much the only human character that really has a notable speaking role is the villain played by Woody Harrelson, who chews scenery very effectively as the film’s villain. To make up for this Caesar has become increasingly verbose to the point where he can pretty much speak clearly and with a full vocabulary and feels more human than ever.
On top of that I feel like the filmmaking on these movies has only gotten better and better. This third installment is still using the same basic technology that brought the apes to life in the last two movies, and it looked great before make no mistake, but it has only gotten more refined over the years and really looks pretty much seamless at this point. Beyond that though it seems like director Matt Reeves (who boarded the series with the second installment) has only grown more and more confident behind the camera. This isn’t exactly the war film that the title would imply insomuch as it doesn’t play out like a military campaign with Braveheart-like battle scenes, but there is an oppressive and martial atmosphere throughout which plays into reeves’ strengths. So the film is great visually but what about the substance? Well, the thing about this series is that it talks a good game and generally maintains its dignity (which is no small achievement in this blockbuster atmosphere) but its scripts have never really been as smart as it advertises itself and this is no exception. The series’ primary question of whether humans and apes can co-exist was more or less answered in the previous movie (the answer was “no”) so now we’re more or less left see how things play out to explain how the apes are going to take over and make the planet theirs.
For the most part things play out in a pretty satisfactory manner although there are some rather strange storytelling decisions towards the end. I’m thinking in particular of a moment that I probably shouldn’t spoil but let’s just say that there’s an element of chance involved in the ultimate victory of one side over the other and this was so odd that I was really kind of baffled that anyone thought it was a good idea. That’s not a huge deal though really. My problems with the movie have less to do with what it is than what it isn’t. Namely I’ve never really thought these movies were really they biting works of social commentary that they masqueraded as and aside from the not so radical proposition that humanity can be cruel and self destructive I don’t know that they really have all that much to say. Compare that to the original series from the 60s and 70s, which if anything suffered from having too much to say at times, and these feel a little shallow. Where those movies prioritized science fiction ideas and political undertones, these movies focus on pure execution and coherent plotting. And hey, there’s nothing wrong with that, but I’ll save my praise for the movies that manage to do both.
***1/2 out of Five
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Post by Jibbs on Jul 22, 2017 14:16:16 GMT -5
There's the ending with the "element of chance" that closely followed 3 or 4 huge canisters of explosives to take out the whole wall. I realize ill-placed explosive tanks are a staple of this genre, but holy shit, these were doubled in size and quantity. ...and then the whole complex blew up for SOME reason. ...and THEN the avalanche to decide their fate. It's baffling.
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Post by IanTheCool on Oct 26, 2017 21:30:15 GMT -5
I really liked it. It just felt like solid action movie film-making all the way through. Caesar is a great character.
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