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Post by Neverending on Feb 27, 2017 1:05:48 GMT -5
Yeah...part of me wonders if this was an elaborate prank pulled by the La La Land crew. I was only half-paying attention by the point the issue was brought up, but I thought one of the La La Land producers phrased it in such a way that suggested it may have been a ruse. Or am I wrong and we need to review the tape? Jimmy Kimmel was behind it. I can almost guarantee it. |
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Post by Dracula on Feb 27, 2017 1:06:27 GMT -5
Yeah...part of me wonders if this was an elaborate prank pulled by the La La Land crew. I was only half-paying attention by the point the issue was brought up, but I thought one of the La La Land producers phrased it in such a way that suggested it may have been a ruse. Or am I wrong and we need to review the tape? How could the La La Land crew have engineered this? It's more likely Faye Dunaway had a senior moment and Warren is covering for her. But he was visibly confused by the envelope before she said anything. |
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Post by Dracula on Feb 27, 2017 1:08:01 GMT -5
Yeah...part of me wonders if this was an elaborate prank pulled by the La La Land crew. I was only half-paying attention by the point the issue was brought up, but I thought one of the La La Land producers phrased it in such a way that suggested it may have been a ruse. Or am I wrong and we need to review the tape? Jimmy Kimmel was behind it. I can almost guarantee it. If he'd done it Manchester by the Sea and Matt Damon would have been involved... also the "no one who wants to continue working in hollywood again would do that" thing would still apply. |
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Post by Neverending on Feb 27, 2017 1:11:02 GMT -5
Jimmy Kimmel was behind it. I can almost guarantee it. If he'd done it Manchester by the Sea and Matt Damon would have been involved... also the "no one who wants to continue working in hollywood again would do that" thing would still apply. Nah. Manchester winning would have been too obvious. If this was a prank, it was done the right way. |
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Post by thebtskink on Feb 27, 2017 1:12:31 GMT -5
How could the La La Land crew have engineered this? It's more likely Faye Dunaway had a senior moment and Warren is covering for her. But he was visibly confused by the envelope before she said anything. He's an old too. They're always confused. New rule should be no presenters under 30 or over 65. |
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Post by Neverending on Feb 27, 2017 1:16:35 GMT -5
But he was visibly confused by the envelope before she said anything. He's an old too. They're always confused. New rule should be no presenters under 30 or over 65. lol. I agree. If he had the "wrong envelope" why didn't he say something? Unless he's so old and out of touch that he has no idea who Emma Stone is. |
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Post by Dracula on Feb 27, 2017 1:20:15 GMT -5
Running conspiracy theory is that Leonardo Di Caprio (who presented the Emma Stone Oscar) may have had some responsibility for that disaster. Emma Stone just said she was holding her card the whole time and has no idea what Warren Beatty was talking about. This had to have been a prank. Apparently they have two copies of every envelope, one on each side of the stage for some reason. |
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Post by thebtskink on Feb 27, 2017 1:23:14 GMT -5
Marissa Tomei is the real winner tonight.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 27, 2017 1:25:11 GMT -5
Emma Stone just said she was holding her card the whole time and has no idea what Warren Beatty was talking about. This had to have been a prank. Apparently they have two copies of every envelope, one on each side of the stage for some reason. Yeah. I just read that. It's also not the first time it happened. It happened in 1964 with the music categories. Oh well. No conspiracy. Honest mistake. Great Oscar moment. |
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Post by Doomsday on Feb 27, 2017 1:33:32 GMT -5
Yeah I don't blame Beatty for it. Someone just effed up plain and simple.
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Post by Dracula on Feb 27, 2017 1:38:48 GMT -5
Also, that La La Land producer should probably get an Oscar for sportsmanship. How the hell do you keep your composure that well in a situation like that?
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Post by daniel on Feb 27, 2017 1:52:44 GMT -5
Dammit, I've been soapboxing in the wrong thread.
I'm just glad Bill Paxton didn't have to witness that massive fuck up with the Best Picture winner.
Full credit and props to M Night Shyamalamadingdong for taking credit for writing the ending to the Academy Awards.
Fucking Moonlight?
My friend Vincent put it best: "I thought Moonlight was OK, I don't begrudge it the acclaim it has gotten, but i it was not high on my personal list; it'd take more space than is reasonable here on Facebook to really detail it, but for the sake of brevity, the third act especially really didn't work for me, because I felt Kevin was a very disingenuous person so I couldn't emotionally support Chiron rekindling a relationship with him, which made the tone of the film ring false to me because it seemed to be saying the relationship was a good thing."
And oh fuck - Suicide Squad gets an Oscar? Fuck me sideways. Boohissboo.
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Post by daniel on Feb 27, 2017 1:56:12 GMT -5
And of course, social media is already turning this into a racial thing. The Black movie took the Oscar from the White movie. I bet most of these people haven't even seen Moonlight. Let's just laugh at the absurdity of the moment and not turn it into something that's gonna fuel all the people that voted for Trump. I mean, let's be fair - the bar was set last year when #OscarsSoWhite became a legitimate hashtag and buzzphrase for at least a week. The backlash is not surprising at all - when you make things about race, it continues a dumb cycle of pseudo race wars. At least you recognize that this year. |
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Post by daniel on Feb 27, 2017 1:58:32 GMT -5
To be fair, given how La La Land ended, they kind of deserved to get their hearts ripped out at the end.
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Post by Dracula on Feb 27, 2017 2:09:29 GMT -5
And of course, social media is already turning this into a racial thing. The Black movie took the Oscar from the White movie. I bet most of these people haven't even seen Moonlight. Let's just laugh at the absurdity of the moment and not turn it into something that's gonna fuel all the people that voted for Trump. I mean, let's be fair - the bar was set last year when #OscarsSoWhite became a legitimate hashtag and buzzphrase for at least a week. The backlash is not surprising at all - when you make things about race, it continues a dumb cycle of pseudo race wars. At least you recognize that this year. Meh, if all they wanted to do was appear woke Denzel would have won and Barry Jenkins would have been the first African American director to win. The BP win had everything to do with LLL backlash and quirks of the preferential ballot. |
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Post by daniel on Feb 27, 2017 2:12:12 GMT -5
I mean, let's be fair - the bar was set last year when #OscarsSoWhite became a legitimate hashtag and buzzphrase for at least a week. The backlash is not surprising at all - when you make things about race, it continues a dumb cycle of pseudo race wars. At least you recognize that this year. Meh, if all they wanted to do was appear woke Denzel would have won and Barry Jenkins would have been the first African American director to win. The BP win had everything to do with LLL backlash and quirks of the preferential ballot. Well, I'm not agreeing Moonlight won just because it starred African Americans. But, I do think it was an extremely surprising win, a bit of an upset, and people are going to the lowest hanging fruit for reasons on why it won. The reasons you listed seem the likely culprits, but people are pretty dumb, for the most part. Tell me more about the preferential ballot. Is that a new thing? What are the quirks you speak of? |
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Post by Dracula on Feb 27, 2017 2:26:50 GMT -5
Meh, if all they wanted to do was appear woke Denzel would have won and Barry Jenkins would have been the first African American director to win. The BP win had everything to do with LLL backlash and quirks of the preferential ballot. Well, I'm not agreeing Moonlight won just because it starred African Americans. But, I do think it was an extremely surprising win, a bit of an upset, and people are going to the lowest hanging fruit for reasons on why it won. The reasons you listed seem the likely culprits, but people are pretty dumb, for the most part. Tell me more about the preferential ballot. Is that a new thing? What are the quirks you speak of? The preferential ballot was introduced in 2009 when the Best Picture field expanded to ten nominees. Voters rank the nominees rather than voting for one winner. It's an instant runoff system so whatever movie has the lowest number of votes on the first count is eliminated and those votes go to whatever the number two choice on that ballot. So, for example if someone's first choice is Fences and second choice is Moonlight and Fences gets the fewest votes of any movie that ballot goes from being a Fences ballot to being a Moonlight ballot. This redistribution goes on until one movie gets 50% of the vote. So if LLL had simply gotten 50% of the number one votes that would have been the end of it, but that movie's fanbase ended up having a "love it or dismiss it" quality to it. Enter Moonlight, which may well have been number two or three on every damn ballot because it's a movie that's kind of hard to argue with. The theory goes that the preferential ballot is responsible for the recent trend of movies losing Best Director and still winning Best Picture like Spotlight and 12 Years a Slave. |
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Post by Neverending on Feb 27, 2017 2:54:08 GMT -5
I owe an apology to Dracula . It's possible Leo DiCaprio may have sabotaged the Oscars. There's two envelopes. One is for the presenter and one is for the stage hand. Since only the accountants know the winners there has to be someone on stage to correct any errors made by the presenters. When Faye Dunaway said La La Land the stage hand was supposed to rush on stage and correct her. The problem? The Best Picture envelopes went missing. Someone, presumably Leo, gave Warren Beatty the second Best Actress envelope while a stage hand was running around backstage looking for the Best Picture envelopes. That's why it took so long to correct the mistake. For a brief period they had no idea if La La Land actually won Best Picture or not. Still ... I agree with thebtskink . There has to be an age requirement. A younger presenter would have stopped the show and said, "guys - you gave me the wrong envelope." But Warren Beatty has no idea who Emma Stone is. He probably thought she was the producer. |
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Post by daniel on Feb 27, 2017 3:37:35 GMT -5
You're making a lot of presumptions and presenting them as fact, there.
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Post by Dracula on Feb 27, 2017 7:15:16 GMT -5
I owe an apology to Dracula . It's possible Leo DiCaprio may have sabotaged the Oscars. There's two envelopes. One is for the presenter and one is for the stage hand. Since only the accountants know the winners there has to be someone on stage to correct any errors made by the presenters. When Faye Dunaway said La La Land the stage hand was supposed to rush on stage and correct her. The problem? The Best Picture envelopes went missing. Someone, presumably Leo, gave Warren Beatty the second Best Actress envelope while a stage hand was running around backstage looking for the Best Picture envelopes. That's why it took so long to correct the mistake. For a brief period they had no idea if La La Land actually won Best Picture or not. Still ... I agree with thebtskink . There has to be an age requirement. A younger presenter would have stopped the show and said, "guys - you gave me the wrong envelope." But Warren Beatty has no idea who Emma Stone is. He probably thought she was the producer. Alright so this is the closeup of the correct card  I'm noticing that it clearly says Best Picture at the bottom, which means that the other card would have clearly said Best Actress. So yeah, Beatty and Dunaway probably could have handled that better. But I think the real moral of the story is that Jackie should have won Best Actress, would have been no confusion if they'd read that. |
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