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Post by Jibbs on Jan 9, 2017 0:12:54 GMT -5
Carrell and Wiig were the best part.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jan 9, 2017 14:54:26 GMT -5
People watch the Golden Globes?
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Post by Dracula on Jan 9, 2017 14:58:55 GMT -5
People watch the Golden Globes? Every year I tell myself they're a joke and I won't watch but then I somehow find myself tuning in anyway. |
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jan 9, 2017 15:19:25 GMT -5
People watch the Golden Globes? Every year I tell myself they're a joke and I won't watch but then I somehow find myself tuning in anyway. Yeah, it's the award that movies showcase on their box sets when the movie didn't win an Oscar. "Winner of 3 Golden Globes!!!... and zero Oscars..." The Oscars are all that matters to me. |
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Post by Neverending on Jan 9, 2017 17:41:02 GMT -5
People watch the Golden Globes? Celebrities get drunk at the Golden Globes so people tune in for that. |
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Post by daniel on Jan 9, 2017 22:11:51 GMT -5
Finally got to watch.
Wow, for once, both Jimmy Fallon and Kristen Wiig didn't annoy the shit out of me.
And, look, I know we're all kind of shell-shocked about Trump being President (yeah, I know I was defending him from some of the comments made about him, but he is a mouthy nut), but that speech by Streep was ... well ... It was well-written and very well-spoken, but I took issue with her more or less taking a lifetime achievement award and using the moment to grandstand about how she doesn't like who the President is.
She went on to accuse him of wanting to just deport all the foreigners in the room/country, she even called them and their countries of origin out by name. While a lot of accusations pointed at Trump have been on-point, the whole "he dislikes/wants to deport all foreigners" thing is the kind of logical leap I would expect from a 16-year-old, and it really made Streep lose a lot of credibility, in my eyes. Furthermore, she went on to denigrate both football and MMA, showcasing herself as a condescending elitist. I've always thought she was arrogant, but very good at playing the part of the humble "oh, stop it - YOURE great" star, and her speech only further cemented my opinion of her. It was even cringier than the time Clint Eastwood spoke to an empty chair onstage. But, I digress.
La La Land sweeping didn't cause me a bit of surprise. I have a lot of emotional attachment to that film because I discovered my acting chops at a young age, starred in a number of productions, but, then, became self-aware enough that I let my own insecurities keep me from pursuing something I both loved and know I am good at. I slammed the own proverbial door in my own face, and seeing these award shows and a movie like La La Land, it makes me want to try. But, I'm in my 30s, so I don't know if it's too late for me. I dunno. Philip Seymour Hoffman is and has always been my acting role model, but I wouldn't know how I could convince anyone to give me a shot to try follow in his very accomplished footsteps.
I would say I was surprised Moonlight got it over Manchester, but I have yet to see Moonlight, so I can't speak to that at all. For those of you who did see both - did the right film win?
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Post by Dracula on Jan 9, 2017 22:39:39 GMT -5
I would say I was surprised Moonlight got it over Manchester, but I have yet to see Moonlight, so I can't speak to that at all. For those of you who did see both - did the right film win? I like Manchester more and would have voted for that if I had a ballot but seeing something that's challenging and experimental like Moonlight win awards like this is also kind of cool. Given the baity bullshit that usually wins these things I can't complain when something like that wins. I'm a lot more pissed that La La Land beat both of them for screenplay even though that clearly isn't where that movie's strengths lie. |
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Post by Jibbs on Jan 9, 2017 23:51:17 GMT -5
Ryan Gosling winning Best Actor meant they didn't give a shit as long as it said "La La Land" on it.
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Post by Neverending on Jan 9, 2017 23:59:08 GMT -5
Ryan Gosling winning Best Actor meant they didn't give a shit as long as it said "La La Land" on it. I'm not mad. He IS the best comedic actor of the year. They're just giving it to him for La La Land instead of The New Guys. Besides... this is the last award he's winning this season. It's Casey Affleck from now on. |
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Post by Jibbs on Jan 10, 2017 0:55:48 GMT -5
Depends on his press.
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Post by daniel on Jan 10, 2017 1:03:12 GMT -5
I would say I was surprised Moonlight got it over Manchester, but I have yet to see Moonlight, so I can't speak to that at all. For those of you who did see both - did the right film win? I like Manchester more and would have voted for that if I had a ballot but seeing something that's challenging and experimental like Moonlight win awards like this is also kind of cool. Given the baity bullshit that usually wins these things I can't complain when something like that wins. I'm a lot more pissed that La La Land beat both of them for screenplay even though that clearly isn't where that movie's strengths lie. I have to say this was a year with some solid entries. I can't say 2016 was necessarily strong, film-wise, but I think that's becoming the new broken record since a lot of focus and big name stars have moved to television serials. I've always been a bit fuzzy on what winning screenplay really means - care to break it down? |
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Post by Neverending on Jan 10, 2017 2:19:12 GMT -5
Best screenplay is... best screenplay. You can take a great screenplay and make a great movie. You can take a great screenplay and make a terrible movie. You can take a terrible screenplay and make a great movie. You can take a terrible screenplay and make a terrible movie.
There's more to movies than a script but you can still recognize a well-told story with fully developed characters and engaging dialogue.
La La Land isn't good cause of the script. It's good cause the music is good and the actors are good.
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Post by Deexan on Jan 10, 2017 5:30:12 GMT -5
I have a lot of emotional attachment to that film because I discovered my acting chops at a young age, starred in a number of productions, but, then, became self-aware enough that I let my own insecurities keep me from pursuing something I both loved and know I am good at. I slammed the own proverbial door in my own face, and seeing these award shows and a movie like La La Land, it makes me want to try. But, I'm in my 30s, so I don't know if it's too late for me. I dunno. |
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Post by Dracula on Jan 10, 2017 7:31:59 GMT -5
Ryan Gosling winning Best Actor meant they didn't give a shit as long as it said "La La Land" on it. I'm not mad. He IS the best comedic actor of the year. They're just giving it to him for La La Land instead of The New Guys. Besides... this is the last award he's winning this season. It's Casey Affleck from now on. To me Ryan Gostling is just a little old for that part in LLL. The dude is 36 and yet his character has the naivete and pretentions of a 24 year old. I like Manchester more and would have voted for that if I had a ballot but seeing something that's challenging and experimental like Moonlight win awards like this is also kind of cool. Given the baity bullshit that usually wins these things I can't complain when something like that wins. I'm a lot more pissed that La La Land beat both of them for screenplay even though that clearly isn't where that movie's strengths lie. I have to say this was a year with some solid entries. I can't say 2016 was necessarily strong, film-wise, but I think that's becoming the new broken record since a lot of focus and big name stars have moved to television serials. I've always been a bit fuzzy on what winning screenplay really means - care to break it down? Well, for instance, LLL isn't badly written exactly. A decent amount of its charm can be attributed to the script but so can most of its problems. It feels like Chazzele could have fleshed that central relationship out a bit more on the page before the movie started and he also could have been a bit more coherent in the way that he addressed the themes of nostalgia vs. innovation a little better in the John Legend scenes. You can tell that the film was in many ways saved by Chazzele the director's skill in staging the musical scenes and setting the tone as well as the actors adding some notes that aren't really there on the page. By contrast you can tell that Manchester and Moonlight were these really elegantly drawn character studies filled with nuances right out the gate and that the directors in many ways just needed to get out of the way and make sure the actors got things right to some extent. What's more, in the case of Manchester we also have this funny believable dialog throughout that gives the movie a lot of additional energy. |
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Post by Neverending on Jan 10, 2017 14:18:41 GMT -5
Producers Guild Awards
Arrival
Deadpool
Fences
Hacksaw Ridge
Hell or High Water
Hidden Figures
La La Land
Lion
Manchester by the Sea
Moonlight
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Post by PG Cooper on Jan 10, 2017 14:27:39 GMT -5
Producers Guild Awards Arrival Deadpool Fences Hacksaw Ridge Hell or High Water Hidden Figures La La Land Lion Manchester by the Sea Moonlight Eh, Dark Knight got a Producer's Guild nomination too so I'm taking this with a grain of salt. |
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Post by Dracula on Jan 10, 2017 14:32:56 GMT -5
Producers Guild Awards Arrival Deadpool Fences Hacksaw Ridge Hell or High Water Hidden Figures La La Land Lion Manchester by the Sea Moonlight Producers like money. |
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Post by Neverending on Jan 10, 2017 17:19:51 GMT -5
Producers Guild Awards Arrival Deadpool Fences Hacksaw Ridge Hell or High Water Hidden Figures La La Land Lion Manchester by the Sea Moonlight Eh, Dark Knight got a Producer's Guild nomination too so I'm taking this with a grain of salt. Dark Knight not getting a Best Picture nomination at the Oscars is the reason why they expanded to 10 nominations. We're comparing red apples to green apples. |
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Post by Neverending on Jan 10, 2017 17:21:12 GMT -5
Producers Guild Awards Arrival Deadpool Fences Hacksaw Ridge Hell or High Water Hidden Figures La La Land Lion Manchester by the Sea Moonlight Producers like money. Deadpool also got a writer's guild nomination. |
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Post by Dracula on Jan 10, 2017 18:28:11 GMT -5
Deadpool also got a writer's guild nomination. The WGA disqualifies a lot of things. |
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Deadpool also got a writer's guild nomination. The WGA disqualifies a lot of things. You have to disqualify a shitload of movies to end up with fucking Deadpool. |
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Post by daniel on Jan 10, 2017 23:49:33 GMT -5
I'm not mad. He IS the best comedic actor of the year. They're just giving it to him for La La Land instead of The New Guys. Besides... this is the last award he's winning this season. It's Casey Affleck from now on. To me Ryan Gostling is just a little old for that part in LLL. The dude is 36 and yet his character has the naivete and pretentions of a 24 year old. I have to say this was a year with some solid entries. I can't say 2016 was necessarily strong, film-wise, but I think that's becoming the new broken record since a lot of focus and big name stars have moved to television serials. I've always been a bit fuzzy on what winning screenplay really means - care to break it down? Well, for instance, LLL isn't badly written exactly. A decent amount of its charm can be attributed to the script but so can most of its problems. It feels like Chazzele could have fleshed that central relationship out a bit more on the page before the movie started and he also could have been a bit more coherent in the way that he addressed the themes of nostalgia vs. innovation a little better in the John Legend scenes. You can tell that the film was in many ways saved by Chazzele the director's skill in staging the musical scenes and setting the tone as well as the actors adding some notes that aren't really there on the page. By contrast you can tell that Manchester and Moonlight were these really elegantly drawn character studies filled with nuances right out the gate and that the directors in many ways just needed to get out of the way and make sure the actors got things right to some extent. What's more, in the case of Manchester we also have this funny believable dialog throughout that gives the movie a lot of additional energy. Ah, gotcha, thanks for the response. Would you say LLL is the frontrunner for Best Director based on that? |
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Post by Dracula on Jan 11, 2017 0:23:04 GMT -5
To me Ryan Gostling is just a little old for that part in LLL. The dude is 36 and yet his character has the naivete and pretentions of a 24 year old. Well, for instance, LLL isn't badly written exactly. A decent amount of its charm can be attributed to the script but so can most of its problems. It feels like Chazzele could have fleshed that central relationship out a bit more on the page before the movie started and he also could have been a bit more coherent in the way that he addressed the themes of nostalgia vs. innovation a little better in the John Legend scenes. You can tell that the film was in many ways saved by Chazzele the director's skill in staging the musical scenes and setting the tone as well as the actors adding some notes that aren't really there on the page. By contrast you can tell that Manchester and Moonlight were these really elegantly drawn character studies filled with nuances right out the gate and that the directors in many ways just needed to get out of the way and make sure the actors got things right to some extent. What's more, in the case of Manchester we also have this funny believable dialog throughout that gives the movie a lot of additional energy. Ah, gotcha, thanks for the response. Would you say LLL is the frontrunner for Best Director based on that? Definitely. Picture and Director usually go hand in hand unless the BP winner is highly dialog focused and there's another very visually accomplished movie in the mix (like last year when Spotlight won BP and The Revenant won BD). Given how visually oriented LLL is I don't see that dynamic being an issue. There have been some cases where they punish younger directors like Chazzele, like in 2002 when Roman Polanski beat Chicago guy, but given that Barry Jenkins (who is a distant second probably) and Kenneth Lonergen aren't super famous auteurs either that probably won't be an issue. That's the Academy prediction dynamic anyway. Personally I think it's a bit wrongheaded of the Academy to treat direction as if it's all about the staging of set pieces. Directors are central in honing performances, establishing tone, displaying restraint when needed, etc. So, for example, if they really truly though Spotlight was the better movie last year I think it's director also should have won. Same applies this year, Manchester to me is a directorial tour de force, but that's probably not going to be how a lot of voters see it. |
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