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Post by Neverending on Mar 2, 2017 18:55:04 GMT -5
After 17 years, Hugh Jackman retracts his claws and graduates from Xavier's school for gifted children. It's been a journey with high's, low's and in-between's, but one thing remained the same, Hugh Jackman is awesome. Comic book nerds can criticize his portrayal of Wolverine and his dominance over the X-Men franchise, but if we're being honest, most people don't care because he's the closest thing we have to Clint Eastwood, Steven McQueen, Charles Bronson and that style of action star. Wolverine is a vessel for the anti-heroes of yesteryear. It's what Logan captures perfectly but also, in the grand scheme, what hurts it.
It's 2029 and most mutants have been wiped out. In their place are genetically engineered mutants that serve as super soldiers. Wolverine and Professor X spend their days hiding in plain sight until they cross path with a child who'll throw them back in the spotlight.
Logan earned its R rating. It's violent, characters curse like drunken sailors and there's even boobs. At it's core, though, is a somber tale of two men accepting the sins of the past and coming to terms with their mortality. I'd argue that Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart deliver Oscar worthy performances but I know that'll land on deaf ears. This is the type of action movie that could have been made in the 1970's, made money, but gotten little respect in the critical community. Ironically, it IS getting praise but I'm not sure audiences will react the same. At the end, it IS the 10th movie in the X-Men franchise and has the least in common. You could replace Wolverine's claws with guns and it would make little difference. Logan is a fitting end for Hugh Jackman as Wolverine but it's not a fitting end for Wolverine. Expect fan reaction to be divided.
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Post by PG Cooper on Mar 3, 2017 1:07:59 GMT -5
Just got out. I want some time to think on the film, but my feelings are definitely positive. I might have even loved it. It's a film that really goes there and takes big chances for a superhero movie. I'm not just talking about the violence, but the tone and certain story beats. The filmmakers took real risks. It's a little depressing at points, I might prefer the hope of Days of Future Past, but these choices do fit the character, this story, and the source material.
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Post by Neverending on Mar 3, 2017 1:31:24 GMT -5
Just got out. I want some time to think on the film, but my feelings are definitely positive. I might have even loved it. It's a film that really goes there and takes big chances for a superhero movie. I'm not just talking about the violence, but the tone and certain story beats. The filmmakers took real risks. It's a little depressing at points, I might prefer the hope of Days of Future Past, but these choices do fit the character, this story, and the source material.
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Post by thebtskink on Mar 3, 2017 7:52:07 GMT -5
Just got out. I want some time to think on the film, but my feelings are definitely positive. I might have even loved it. It's a film that really goes there and takes big chances for a superhero movie. I'm not just talking about the violence, but the tone and certain story beats. The filmmakers took real risks. It's a little depressing at points, I might prefer the hope of Days of Future Past, but these choices do fit the character, this story, and the source material. This song in the movie? I fucking love this song. One of my favorites form Cash.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Mar 3, 2017 18:17:07 GMT -5
I like how they changed the timeline to prevent the Sentinels from enslaving mutant kind, Wolverine returns to 2023 to a better future, and then according to this movie everything went to hell in the span of six years, mutants are all but extinct, Professor X is a senile dangerous man, ect.
Ah, the optimism of X-Men. The future is fucked no matter what you do.
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Post by Neverending on Mar 3, 2017 18:47:24 GMT -5
I like how they changed the timeline to prevent the Sentinels from enslaving mutant kind, Wolverine returns to 2023 to a better future, and then according to this movie everything went to hell in the span of six years, mutants are all but extinct, Professor X is a senile dangerous man, ect. Ah, the optimism of X-Men. The future is fucked no matter what you do. Hugh Jackman says the movie takes place in an alternate reality, but yeah, nothing in the movie contradicts anything from the other movies. Only clue this is alternate reality is the time period. We only know it's 2029 because a voice over says it's 2029. Nothing in the movie is futuristic. It looks like 2016. Plus, there's another X-Men in the way that could rewrite history again.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Mar 3, 2017 19:14:12 GMT -5
Hugh Jackman says the movie takes place in an alternate reality, This statement has also been backtracked several times. So mostly I don't care. Still funny how utterly fucked over the X-Men are no matter what.
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Post by Neverending on Mar 3, 2017 19:22:39 GMT -5
This statement has also been backtracked several times. All three Wolverine movies are alternate realities. Everything beyond the opening credits of Origins was erased by Days of Future Past. Everything in The Wolverine was erased. And there's no doubt the new X-Men will affect Logan somehow.
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Post by Fanible on Mar 3, 2017 22:36:22 GMT -5
They still brought along the stupid adamantium bullet plot point from Origins. That was my one gripe with the movie.
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Post by Neverending on Mar 4, 2017 0:31:16 GMT -5
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Post by Alien on Mar 4, 2017 15:22:37 GMT -5
After seeing the movie I still think X23 was too young. I believe in the comics she only has metal claws because they were too cheep to give her a full metal skeleton but I couldn't tell in the movie if that was true. Wolverine's chest was stabbed A LOT despite having metal ribs so logic went out the window. Anyway if they gave her a metal skeleton at that age, wouldn't take really mess her up at puberty? Even if they only gave her metal claws, as an adult they'll either be tiny or only metal tipped making them easy to chop off.
It was bad ass seeing her kick everyone's arse. I like how she was basically a mute and yet mostly nobody really noticed, until Logan was asked about her being a mute, I don't think he knew.
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Post by Neverending on Mar 4, 2017 17:21:10 GMT -5
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Post by Jibbs on Mar 4, 2017 17:30:28 GMT -5
Maybe it's all the high praise, but I felt a bit let down by this movie. I mean, superhero fans have seen dramas before, right? It's not as simple as Sad + Dark = Great. And I'm not giving it free points for being the largest outsider in the Marvel and/or X-Men films.
It's a generally enjoyable film with a few highlights, but I was really hoping for something a lot deeper here.
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Post by Neverending on Mar 4, 2017 18:28:22 GMT -5
Maybe it's all the high praise, but I felt a bit let down by this movie. I mean, superhero fans have seen dramas before, right? It's not as simple as Sad + Dark = Great. And I'm not giving it free points for being the largest outsider in the Marvel and/or X-Men films. It's a generally enjoyable film with a few highlights, but I was really hoping for something a lot deeper here. **.5/****After the first decapitation I knew this wasn't a drama.
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Post by Jibbs on Mar 4, 2017 21:32:30 GMT -5
What about the third?
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Post by 1godzillafan on Mar 4, 2017 22:05:01 GMT -5
By the third decapitation I started to suspect it wasn't going to be a musical.
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Post by filmjerk on Mar 4, 2017 22:47:56 GMT -5
We have two surprise contenders for Best Actor. First James McAvoy in Split and now Hugh Jackman for Logan.
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Post by daniel on Mar 5, 2017 3:02:40 GMT -5
I'm with Jibbs on this one - it was decent, but not great. Watching Invalid Wolverine for over two hours got tiresome, and the villain was a total throwaway. Then, they went for an emotional cheapshot at the end.
6/10 - slightly above average.
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Post by Deexan on Mar 5, 2017 11:03:13 GMT -5
This movie was badass awesomeness from start to fucking finish.
It's only crime was no "bub"s.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Mar 5, 2017 11:39:30 GMT -5
Only seen it once, but already, I can see this cracking my Top Ten Superhero Movies of All-Time. And one of the best things about it is that it doesn't feel like a superhero movie at all. It's visceral and violent, but also emotionally gripping and intimate, and odds are you'll be fighting down a few throat lumps. Hugh Jackman is probably the best here he's ever been, period, and not just as Wolverine. I'll admit I overrated X-Men: Apocalypse last year, but there's no doubt in my mind Logan's greatness will remain fully intact upon re-watches.
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2017 is already making up for 2016 between this, Get Out, John Wick 2, etc.
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Post by IanTheCool on Mar 5, 2017 13:13:07 GMT -5
This movie shows why its good that the Xmen film franchise has been kept separate from the Marvel MCU. Very different voices. They would never make an avengers film like this.
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Post by Doomsday on Mar 5, 2017 13:27:37 GMT -5
In the theater now about to watch. Hopefully it's as good as X-Men: Origins.
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Post by Dracula on Mar 5, 2017 15:34:15 GMT -5
Logan(3/4/2017)
Is there any actor working today who has as consistently been as frequently featured in a single role as Hugh Jackman as Wolverine? If you count his rather brief cameos in X-Men: First Class and X-Men: Apocalypse he’s played this character in no fewer than nine different movies now including two movies that are dedicated Wolverine solo movies. Well, I suppose Robert Downey Jr. will exceed that count pretty soon if he sticks with the MCU and he’s certainly got nothing on historical examples of this like Shintaro Katsu’s 26 film run in the role of Zatoichi but it still seems kind of incredible in a film climate where the likes of Daniel Craig can’t seem to be convinced to play James Bond more than four times or Jennifer Lawrence seems to need endless pampering in order to be talked into playing Mystique more than three times. Still, I can see why this role would appeal so much to him. It’s a flattering role that makes song and dance man Hugh Jackman seem like the ultimate badass, an ultimate warrior who can win pretty much any fight and operate off of his id constantly. His enthusiasm for the role has however led to some regrettable choices, namely the two solo Wolverine movies which were probably low points for the series give or take an X3. The first of these X-Men Origins: Wolverine is a true embarrassment that few like to even remember, and the second called The Wolverine wasn’t bad so much as wildly forgettable. That second solo film was directed by James Mangold and promised bigger better things with its simple title, and that is why I’ve maintained some skepticism about this new Wolverine movie, the Mangold directed Logan, despite its cool trailer.
Logan is set years after the events we saw in previous X-Men movies and it’s not entirely clear where it fits within the various complex timelines of that series. The very first X-Men is referenced but otherwise the film avoids talking continuity. I’m pretty sure it’s actually meant to be what they call in DC comics an “elseworld” story, sort of a “The Dark Knight Returns” for the movie version of Wolverine. In this future mutants are no longer being born for some reason and many of Wolverine’s compatriots have been killed off by government hit squads. Logan himself (Hugh Jackman) is hiding out as a limo driver in Texas and many of his powers have been failing him in old age. He has however maintained contact with one person from his past, Professor Xavier (Patrick Stewart), who is now in his 90s and in his semi-senile state has had his powers become unstable. He’s now hiding out in a water tower with a mutant named Caliban (Stephen Merchant) and is being kept medicated to keep him stable. One day Logan is approached by an unknown woman named Gabriella (Elizabeth Rodriguez) who is offering him money to escort a little girl named Laura (Dafne Keen) to a sanctuary she believes exists in North Dakota, which Logan considers because he could use the money to move Xavier but soon it becomes clear that Laura is being pursued by an agent named Donald Pierce (Boyd Holbrook) who intends to steal her.
That Logan is a notably more gritty and stand-alone take on the X-Men universe would be notable enough but as you watch it you also quickly notice that these characters have suddenly learned how to say the word “fuck” more than once in a movie and also this strange red liquid is now pouring out of all the injuries that Wolverine has been stabbing with his claws. That’s right, Hugh Jackman and James Mangold have somehow convinced the fine people at 20th Century Fox to let them take off the safety wheels and make this thing as a hard R-rated movie with a high body count and graphic violence and it does feel like they were dedicated to this direction rather than sort of hedging their bets and trying to decide whether or not this would just be a PG-13 release with an “unrated cut” down the line. One could argue that they should have been filming these action sequences like this from the beginning given that this is a character whose defining feature is metal blades on his hands but it does become quickly apparent that this bloody violence feels more at home in the world of this movie than in the sort of half-dark half-lighthearted world of those other X-Men movies.
Logan is in many ways a movie that’s doing everything we’ve been asking the makers of big budget super hero movies to do. It tells a smaller scale yet still action packed story that doesn’t end with a city about to be blown up, it doesn’t feel too much like a setup for a million other sequels, it narrows in on its characters and their individual issues, and of course it doesn’t compromise in its violence and language. You can also tell that the people making the movie realized that they were being given something of a gift with this opportunity and didn’t want to waste it. Hugh Jackman is pretty committed to this worn down and cynical version of Wolverine and director James Mangold (a guy who has been a pretty inconsistent journeyman director over the course of his career) works hard to make this look different than your average superhero movie and to take full advantage of this opportunity.
However, for all the film’s merits it really only seems as creative as it does when compared to the incredibly cookie-cutter world of 2010s superhero movies and when you start comparing it to the wider world of entertainment it starts to have a bit of an originality problem. In fact the movie seems shockingly similar in tone, story, and imagery to a recent video game called “The Last of Us” right down to the look of the protagonists and of course that game was itself highly derivative of movies like Children of Men and The Road which were in turn inspired by movies like The Road Warrior, and the movie also has similarities with other “road trips with powerful children while pursued by the government” movies like Midnight Special or Firestarter. If this had been the first movie in recent years where a grizzled man finds redemption through escorting a young girl who represents hope for humanity through an apocalyptic landscape I’d be over the moon for it, but it’s not, and that does kind of bring the movie down a few pegs for me. Still, Wolverine is a cool-ass character and his presence does elevate pretty much any scenario you put him in and this is far from the least creative stock scenario they could have gone with. I’m willing to bet there are some younger viewers for whom this will feel a lot less familiar and they’re probably going to love this thing. It’s a movie that’s probably going to be over-rated in general in certain quarters but its accomplishments should not be discounted too much either. The fact that we live in a world where we can have a hyper-violent $100 million dollar post-apocalyptic western starring Marvel’s pre-eminent badass is pretty awesome and I’d rather enjoy that than nitpick it.
**** out of Five
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Post by IanTheCool on Mar 5, 2017 15:49:04 GMT -5
In the theater now about to watch. Hopefully it's as good as X-Men: Origins. Its almost as good.
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