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Post by Neverending on Jan 28, 2017 22:42:59 GMT -5
Jibbs Dracula Deexan PG Cooper thebtskinkCall me crazy... but the Rolling Stone are overrated. They have their hits but they're not in the same level as the other greats of the 60's and 70's. Mick Jagger is a mediocre singer and their songs are badly produced.
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Post by Neverending on Jan 28, 2017 23:36:39 GMT -5
Enlighten me, sir. Tell me how Rolling Stone are in the same league as the Beatles, the Beach Boys, Led Zeppelin, Queen, Pink Floyd, etc.
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Post by Dracula on Jan 28, 2017 23:58:58 GMT -5
Ummm, that's kind of like being asked to explain why sunsets are beautiful...
They're the ultimate breakthrough of the bluesier side of the British invasion, their style was a much more malleable than a lot of their peers and had a greater variety of influences and they seemed to understand black music a lot more than bands like The Kinks, The Who, and even The Beatles did but they were also very much able to create distinctive pop hooks. Furthermore they did a lot to help introduce a harder edge to rock and role that set the stage for the 70s style of area rock in a way that many of their British Invasion peers didn't. Begger's Banquet, Let it Bleed, Sticky Fingers, Exile on Mainstreet, and Some Girls are all classics.
On the two points you named... yeah Mick Jagger isn't the world's greatest vocalist but he makes up for it with his effective lyrics and general energy. As for their production, it varies from album to album but that was never really the point, they were a more down to earth band with a dirtier sound and their songs were ultimately probably meant to be played live anyway.
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Post by Jibbs on Jan 28, 2017 23:59:24 GMT -5
Barring their hits, I don't really care for them, either.
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Post by Neverending on Jan 29, 2017 1:08:32 GMT -5
Dracula The argument that the Stones understood Black music and were harder edged is kinda silly when you remember that Jimi Hendrix was a peer. Also, in the 70's, they were pretty soft/mainstream compared to Black Sabbath, The Ramones, Six Pistols, etc. I think the Stones' success is due to their image and live performance, a precursor to Kiss and 80's hair metal. If you want true musicianship, you can find it elsewhere.
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Post by Deexan on Jan 29, 2017 4:29:53 GMT -5
Indifferent, as I've never really attempted to get into them.
That said, I felt the same way about Elvis and Dylan until I made an effort to understand why they're held in such high regard and now I love them, so I imagine a similar thing would happen with the Stones.
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Post by Neverending on Jan 29, 2017 4:39:28 GMT -5
Indifferent, as I've never really attempted to get into them. That said, I felt the same way about Elvis and Dylan until I made an effort to understand why they're held in such high regard and now I love them, so I imagine a similar thing would happen with the Stones. Elvis is tricky. The guy opened the door for mainstream rock n roll, but then spent a decade making shitty movies. Then he got fat and died. I sort-of feel the same about John Lennon. Beatles aside, he didn't do much in the 70's. Then he died. I can definitely defend Elvis in the 50's, but I can't defend Elvis in general. And that's my point with the Rolling Stone. They have their hits. The hits are good, very good, but in general they're nothing special. There were much better bands in the 60's and 70's.
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Post by Dracula on Jan 29, 2017 7:19:24 GMT -5
Dracula The argument that the Stones understood Black music and were harder edged is kinda silly when you remember that Jimi Hendrix was a peer. Also, in the 70's, they were pretty soft/mainstream compared to Black Sabbath, The Ramones, Six Pistols, etc. I think the Stones' success is due to their image and live performance, a precursor to Kiss and 80's hair metal. If you want true musicianship, you can find it elsewhere. Right, but The Ramones and Sex Pistols weren't doing arena tours and are basically a different genre altogether. Same with Sabbath to some extent, they're revered today but they were kind of a cult thing at the time. Also this "they had their hits" stuff seems like a kind of BS argument. It's like saying "aside from all the touchdowns they scored the Patriots had a bad game." If all you're talking about is that, like Elvis, they fell off at a certain point I wouldn't argue with that (most of their output has been lackluster since the 80s) but to me that's irrelevant because you have to compare bands by what they can do at their peak. Pretty much every band you've named so far had about a ten year run of solid work before breaking up or having a key member die and the ones who didn't clearly fell off at a certain point.
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Post by thebtskink on Jan 29, 2017 10:25:17 GMT -5
The Mick Taylor stuff is there best stuff, but yeah Neverending, you're wrong.
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Post by Neverending on Jan 29, 2017 12:28:46 GMT -5
DraculaIn the 60's, they predominantly did cover songs. They shouldn't even be in discussion. Their popularity was solely based on image. In the 70's they weren't in the same league as Zeppelin, Queen, Pink Floyd, etc. My point is that, yes, they have their hits. They have their good songs. But this notion that they're second to Beatles, equal to Beatles or better is just ridiculous. They aren't even better than Wings, Paul McCartney's band from the 70's. So in essence, yeah, the Stones are overrated.
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Post by thebtskink on Jan 29, 2017 12:36:42 GMT -5
Wings was a blight upon humanity.
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Post by Dracula on Jan 29, 2017 12:41:18 GMT -5
Dracula In the 60's, they predominantly did cover songs. Not true. By 1966's Aftermath they were almost entirely doing original songs on their albums. Led Zeppelin had their share of cover songs as well, so did The Yardbirds and the other British invasion bands that skewed closer to the Blues tradition. The notion that they were second to The Beatles in terms of popularity and influence is hard to deny, the sales figures exist and the way that they paved the way for other swaggery arena rock bands is readily apparent. I know you're just trolling in this thread but that bit about Wings is particularly desperate.
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Post by Neverending on Jan 29, 2017 12:49:42 GMT -5
Dracula thebtskinkWhy are ya'll hating on Wings? Band on the Run is a Top 10 rock album of the 70's. Live & Let Die is badass. Anyway, yeah, Led Zeppelin pretty much stole all their music but at least Robert Plant knows how to sing and Jimmy Page is ARGUABLY a better guitarist than Keith Richard.
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