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Post by Doomsday on Aug 12, 2016 0:25:34 GMT -5
Hell or High Water Coming out of this movie I couldn't help but think how this movie has a 100% rating on Rotten Tomatoes and whether or not it deserves a perfect score. On the one hand, it's not a bad movie by any stretch. Is it '100% on Rotten Tomatoes' good? Not at all but it's a movie with few missteps that I can't imagine would warrant a bad review from anybody. It's greatest crime is that it's not very original, then again how original can you be when doing a movie about bank robbers? I know it sounds like I'm putting way too much stock into a movie review website but when you see a movie with overly positive reviews it says something about it. Chris Pine and Ben Foster play Toby and Tanner, two brothers fixing to rob some banks. Toby is a quite, cool type with an ex-wife and sons he never sees. Tanner is the loose cannon, fresh out of jail and anxious to make scores. After a string of bank robberies in three days they draw the attention of Texas Ranger Marcus Hamilton (not sure if they ever use his character's name in the movie but he's Jeff Bridges) who hunts the boys down. It doesn't quite add anything new, the characters are enjoyable but also predictable and it follows the formula pretty closely. The movie however is much more focused on the style and atmosphere that's created. The film Drive has been argued to be a movie that's much more style over substance however it has one hell of a style. This could apply to Hell or High Water only we're faced with the bleak lifestyle of west Texas living, a dry, sweaty and empty existence. It spends a good deal of time making you feel as if you're there and being thankful that you're not. This is where Hell or High Water becomes very effective and believable, it's where you start to feel invested. The only part that really dragged for me is the fate of Tanner (Ben Foster) who in climax acts with no motivation behind what he does, his actions are based on the necessity to have him die. It doesn't make too much sense and is inconsistent with his character which is a result of screenwriting that seems to take a coffee break at this point for some reason or another. Not a fatal flaw but definitely noticeable. I enjoyed Hell or High Water a lot. It has a lot of good going for it and it keeps a constant energy throughout. There's not much in the way of filler and although it's very by the numbers when you boil it down the real stars of the movie are the mood and the atmosphere. It's very possible that it has the high RT score due to an entire crop of 3-star/B+ reviews so don't go in thinking that a new crime masterpiece is being delivered. It's a solid, entertaining movie that is a good escape from the other flashy movies that are crowding theaters right now. Just don't let your expectations be set too high. A- so says Doomsday
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Post by Dracula on Sept 3, 2016 12:32:52 GMT -5
Hell or High Water(8/14/2016)
I sometimes wonder if I watch too many movies for my own good. I don’t mean that I wonder if movies take up an unhealthy amount of my time as that’s probably undebatable true but rather I wonder if I’ve ruined movie going itself by watching so many movies that nothing feels original to me anymore. Plots that maybe seem somewhat familiar to other people feel like outright clichés to me and more often than not I’ll leave a movie naming two or three other movies that it was clearly influenced by and have a pretty good idea what was going on in the back of the director’s head. Take the new crime thriller Hell or High Water a film that would probably greatly impress a lot of people, and it impressed me too, but about twenty minutes into it I’d already pinned down the films’ major themes and also worked out what direction the story was going in and which characters were likely to die in the finale. Is that the movie’s fault? Or is it my fault for having spent my life watching thousands of similar movies?
The film is set in modern day Texas and follows a pair of “white trash” brothers who have found themselves resorting to bank robbery. The elder brother Tanner (Ben Foster) is an ex-con with an impulsive streak but it’s actually the younger and more sensible of the brothers, Toby (Chris Pine), who seems to be the mastermind behind this robbery scheme. The brothers appear to mostly know what they’re doing in this scheme, they have a sophisticated plan for ditching their getaway vehicles and they seem to be meticulously choosing their targets, but they aren’t above making certain rookie mistakes like leaving a patron’s gun sitting on the counter as they run away. What they don’t exactly know is that a determined Texas ranger who’s on the verge of retirement named Marcus Hamilton (Jeff Bridges) and his partner Alberto (Gil Birmingham) are on their trail and have a better idea of their plans than they realize.
So, first things first: this is a good movie. Pine, Foster, and Bridges are all good in their respective roles, the bank robbery scenes are well shot, and the moments of economic insight that the filmmakers pepper the movie with elevate it. It’s plainly better than most of the other movies that will be playing at your average multiplex and I wouldn’t dissuade anyone from seeing it. Thumbs up. However, the question then becomes “is this something special, something worth considering for awards and top ten lists, something that will be remembered and stand the test of time. To me the answer to that is probably “no.”
The movie is clearly very interested in establishing its sense of place. It’s filled with Texans in cowboy hats, Texas guns, Texas economics, and Texas flavor. Did I mention it was set in the state of Texas? That kind of comes up a lot. At times the movie reminded me of Winter’s Bone, which was a movie I thought was a little over-rated in part because it seemed a little more interested in conducting a subtly condescending anthropological study the place it was set in than it was in actually telling a unique story and developing its characters at time. What’s more that movie was at least set in a place that hadn’t been extensively documented by the cinema before which is not necessarily something I can say about Texas. Still there is some undeniable interest to be gained from the film’s look at what became of West Texas, which is to say “not a lot.” It’s clear that the economy in this place is not booming and that the old west way of life has died a long time ago and the people still trying to live like cowboys are not doing too well. There’s a moment in the movie where Jeff Bridges approaches a group of witnesses who are dressed in full cowboy attire and hears them say that the robbery they just saw was a strange sight given that “the days of getting away with robbing banks are long gone” with seemingly now knowledge of the irony of what he’s saying given the way he’s dressed, where he lives, and how he’s probably employed.
Those little touches are nice but at the end of the day this is really just kind of the same crime movie I’ve seen a million times before. It’s quickly revealed that these brothers are robbing these banks to… wait for it… help their family. Again with the crime films and family. Family family family. Oh how these criminals love to go on and on about family. I’m beginning to think that one of the main reasons that the 80s Scarface has become such a touchstone with a certain audience because it’s the one crime epic that (weird sister issues aside) has its protagonist engaging in a life of crime because he wants money and power rather than out of some bullshit about helping his family. Now I get why screenwriters go to this trope, they want to give their audience a reason to sympathize with these protagonists while they do wrong, but man am I sick of this. But this goes back to what I was wondering earlier: am I just getting impossible to really impress at this point? Well, not exactly. There are still plenty of movies released each year that I do love, but I am getting to the point where I I’m not going to give much more than a passing grade to a movie in a very familiar genre that just doesn’t have all that much to offer aside from its stellar craftsmanship and I don’t really think that this does, but again I want to re-iterate: I don’t think this is a bad movie by any means and it’s only when assessing it’s potential greatness that I balk.
***1/2 out of Five
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Post by Jibbs on Sept 3, 2016 13:50:13 GMT -5
Hell or High Water(8/14/2016)
I sometimes wonder if I watch too many movies for my own good. I don’t mean that I wonder if movies take up an unhealthy amount of my time as that’s probably undebatable true but rather I wonder if I’ve ruined movie going itself by watching so many movies that nothing feels original to me anymore. Plots that maybe seem somewhat familiar to other people feel like outright clichés to me and more often than not I’ll leave a movie naming two or three other movies that it was clearly influenced by and have a pretty good idea what was going on in the back of the director’s head. You and me both.
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Post by Neverending on Sept 3, 2016 16:02:35 GMT -5
Hell or High Water(8/14/2016)
I sometimes wonder if I watch too many movies for my own good. I don’t mean that I wonder if movies take up an unhealthy amount of my time as that’s probably undebatable true but rather I wonder if I’ve ruined movie going itself by watching so many movies that nothing feels original to me anymore. Plots that maybe seem somewhat familiar to other people feel like outright clichés to me and more often than not I’ll leave a movie naming two or three other movies that it was clearly influenced by and have a pretty good idea what was going on in the back of the director’s head. You and me both. Originality isn't as important as execution. Batman is a rip-off of Zorro, but is a better character. Halloween is a rip-off of Black Christmas, but is a better movie. Kurt Cobain stole a riff for Come as You Are, but that other song is irrelevant. Point is, take off your critic hat and just watch the fucking movie. If it's good, you'll have fun. If it's bad, you'll move on with your life. Analysis and criticism should come later and NOT while watching the movie. How are you supposed to immerse yourself if you're detached? How are you supposed to know if execution was good if the movie immediately lost you at lack of originality? The moviegoing experience should always come first. Leave cynicism at the door.
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Post by Dracula on Sept 3, 2016 16:55:37 GMT -5
Originality isn't as important as execution. Batman is a rip-off of Zorro, but is a better character. Halloween is a rip-off of Black Christmas, but is a better movie. Kurt Cobain stole a riff for Come as You Are, but that other song is irrelevant. Point is, take off your critic hat and just watch the fucking movie. If it's good, you'll have fun. If it's bad, you'll move on with your life. Analysis and criticism should come later and NOT while watching the movie. How are you supposed to immerse yourself if you're detached? How are you supposed to know if execution was good if the movie immediately lost you at lack of originality? The moviegoing experience should always come first. Leave cynicism at the door. Right, but to treat a film that feels completely unoriginal as some sort of triumph is to undervalues the many films that get made which don't feel like cliches or which present old ideas in ways that feel particularly novel and interesting. In other words, unoriginality isn't a deal breaker but it does knock you down a few pegs.
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Post by thebtskink on Feb 11, 2017 19:59:15 GMT -5
Well executed, well acted, but not quite original as you've stated.
Great soundtrack. It's interesting having Jeff Bridges in a Sam Eliot role, but it's getting tiring Ben Foster in the same role over and over again.
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