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Post by Neverending on Jul 31, 2016 21:01:03 GMT -5
THE BOURNE IDENTITY (2002) I was widely indifferent when I watched this movie in 2002 and felt the same upon my initial rewatch. Years later, not much has changed. There are aspects that I enjoy, but ultimately, there are two key issues. One, Matt Damon looks like a semi-anorexic John Cena. I just don't buy him in the role. And two, Chris Cooper's villain didn't have enough screentime to justify as a threat. The majority of the film is Jason Bourne running around without any legitimate obstacles. That'd be fine if there was better drama or humor or something. Instead, we're just left with a mildly entertaining spy thriller.
THE BOURNE SUPREMACY (2004) AND ULTIMATUM (2007) Shaky cam or not, these are really well-made action movies. They're so good you ignore the fact that the plot didn't need a trilogy. Basically, Jason Bourne is the rogue spy of a secret CIA assassination program. You're telling me you couldn't tell that story in one film? At times, it even felt like watching one movie. How many times did we need to see Jason Bourne point his gun at someone after a car chase and then decide not to pull the trigger?
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 31, 2016 23:20:03 GMT -5
For me with the initial trilogy, I like each movie more than the last, so Ultimatum is my favorite.
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Post by Neverending on Aug 1, 2016 0:09:56 GMT -5
For me with the initial trilogy, I like each movie more than the last, so Ultimatum is my favorite. I think Supremacy and Ultimatum are almost equals in quality, but I understand the praise for Ultimatum. The action scenes are phenomenal and the villains are the strongest of the trilogy.
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Post by Neverending on Aug 1, 2016 11:20:52 GMT -5
THE BOURNE IDENTITY (1988)Most people my age and younger probably have no idea that Matt Damon's Bourne Identity is not the first adaptation of Robert Ludlum's acclaimed novel. And even if they did, many of them don't care. Matt Damon is, and probably always will be, Jason Bourne. To that crowd I say, you're missing out. Matt Damon's Bourne series is tailored made for post-9/11 cinema, which is fine, but the novel was published during the Cold War. It tells a very different story and the character is quite different as well. That's one of the things that makes the original Bourne Identity worth watching. Released in May of 1988, it stars Richard Chamberlain as David Webb, a Vietnam veteran who takes over the identity of a deceased CIA double-agent, named Jason Bourne, in order to track down the man who murdered his wife and child. But things get complicated when he loses his memory after a boat explosion and all evidence point to him being Jason Bourne and not David Webb. So he has no idea who he really is, what he was doing and why there's people trying to kill him. As you can see, that's notably different from Matt Damon's version. His Jason Bourne is just a code name. He's a soldier who joined a rogue CIA program, and now, his bosses are trying to eliminate him. It's a very cynical portrayal of our government. The novel and the `88 movie depict a different era and mindset. We're the good guys. Yeah, there might be bad people in the organization, like the real Jason Bourne, but we can use that to our advantage. As far as spy stories are concerned, this is intriguing. The whole amnesia thing, which is at the center of Matt Damon's franchise, is just a tool here to tell a better story. If you focus on David Webb, it's just a tale of revenge. But if focus on Jason Bourne, it's a spy thriller about a man assuming the identity of a bad person in order to capture a worse person. It's a better plot! But before I over-hype, there ARE negative things to point out. The beginning, with Jason Bourne recovering from the boat explosion, is very silly. There are ridiculous moments sprinkled throughout the film. And the female lead, Marie, played by Jaclyn Smith of Charlie's Angels fame, is a terrible character. The movie version of Marie is A LOT better. Other than that, and maybe some recycled fight scenes, `88 Bourne is very well-made and arguably better than its cinematic counter-part. It's NOT better than Bourne Supremacy and Bourne Ultimatum, but it's definitely better than Bourne Identity. Even if you watch both versions and disagree, you'll still be charmed by Richard Chamberlain's Bourne. He's the Sean Connery to Matt Damon's Daniel Craig.
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Post by Doomsday on Aug 1, 2016 12:47:41 GMT -5
I've seen them all dozens of times so I don't really need to rewatch them. I enjoy them immensely but The Bourne Identity does have some residual 90s-action movie flair to it. It doesn't take itself too seriously, it's kinda cornbally at some parts but there's a lot of good stuff to it. I remember I was 17 or 18 when it came out and my brothers and I were bored one day. My mom said 'this new Matt Damon movie has an A in the newspaper' and we rolled our eyes but wound up going anyways. After the fistfight in the apartment followed immediately by the awesome car chase I was very sold. I was almost able to overlook him falling between the floors of that building and shooting the guy on the way down.
I think my favorite is Supremacy and while I also like Ultimatum I think people give it too much credit. The movie is beat for beat the exact same as Bourne Supremacy even down to the car that's pushed sideways and crashes with Bourne pointing the gun at the dude while his head is on the steering wheel but refusing to shoot him (we almost got this scene for a third time in Jason Bourne). Both movies hinge on him randomly getting a new memory that just so happens to be related to the entire plot of the movie and he has to piece them all together while fighting and strangling another Treadstone/Blackbriar agent. Anyways, I think Supremacy is the best of the series because it helped take the series from a 7 to a 9 while Ultimatum just kept it where it is.
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Post by Neverending on Aug 1, 2016 13:01:59 GMT -5
I think my favorite is Supremacy and while I also like Ultimatum I think people give it too much credit. The movie is beat for beat the exact same as Bourne Supremacy. That's my argument as well, but I do understand the love for Ultimatum. If we're just judging the action scenes, Ultimatum is clearly the champ. And people watch these movies for the action. Like I said earlier, the plot didn't justify a fucking trilogy. They could have literally done just one fucking movie and moved on to something else. The books were that way. The amnesia thing is just the first book. The other books had Jason Bourne doing other things. I think if they had followed the books, Jason Bourne could have legitimately been a rival to James Bond. There's only been 4 Jason Bourne movies in 14 years because everything is centered on the amnesia thing. If they had moved on after the first movie, we would probably be on Jason Bourne 6 or 7 by now.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Aug 2, 2016 10:31:27 GMT -5
Yeah, for me, Ultimatum gets the top spot out of the first three because it executes as an action film the best out of the first three (the Tangiers sequence alone is one of the best action sequences I've seen perhaps ever), it's the most tightly-paced and the payoff feels rewarding.
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Post by Justin on Aug 2, 2016 13:25:22 GMT -5
Ditto. Ultimatum is my favorite of the series. Hands down some of the best action sequences I've seen.
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Post by Neverending on Aug 3, 2016 0:35:28 GMT -5
Doomsday , no offense, but Bourne Legacy is awful. It makes Quantum of Solace look like Citizen Kane. I think my issue is that... I don't give a fuck about Aaron Cross. The movie spends like 30 minutes recapping Bourne Ultimatum, while also telling us what Aaron Cross was doing at the time. I just met this guy. I don't give a fuck what he was doing during the Bourne Ultimatum. By the time he finally leaves Alaska, I honestly don't give a fuck about this guy and his problems. Just give me Jason Bourne.
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Post by Doomsday on Aug 3, 2016 1:25:00 GMT -5
Ha, well I'm not going to go bat for it if that's what you're thinking. It's certainly not great but I didn't think it was as bad as people said it was. Probably a case of expectations already being in the toilet before I saw it and being somewhat surprised.
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Post by Neverending on Aug 3, 2016 10:13:52 GMT -5
Ha, well I'm not going to go bat for it if that's what you're thinking. It's certainly not great but I didn't think it was as bad as people said it was. Probably a case of expectations already being in the toilet before I saw it and being somewhat surprised. It also didn't help that the action scenes were too spaced out. I could have grown to like Aaron Cross if he had done more ass kicking. Instead, we have to sit through exposition of stuff we already know or suspected. The movie taking place during Bourne Ultimatum was a neat idea that was badly executed.
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Post by IanTheCool on Aug 3, 2016 10:57:44 GMT -5
It was alright.
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