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Post by Neverending on Jun 16, 2016 17:36:42 GMT -5
A few years ago, director Andrew Stanton was put in Hollywood jail after John Carter notoriously flopped at the box office. His punishment? Make a sequel to his biggest hit, Finding Nemo. Cynical audience members are sharpening their knifes as we speak, but truth is, this movie is a lot better than required. For a cash cow, a lot of soul and good will was put into it. This time, instead of a parent looking for their child, a child is looking for their parent. But it isn't a simple switcheroo. As you may recall, Dory has short term memory loss, so her journey is a tad more interesting. I'd argue that this film has a much better plot than Nemo. But that doesn't necessarily mean that it's better. Nemo had a consistent tone because Marlin, the dad, was a serious character surrounded by goofy characters. So the movie could be emotional by simply giving him some breathing room and comedic by simply allowing him to interact with other fishes. Here, you have Dory, who has already been established as a funny sidekick. Since the film wants many goofy characters, there's a lot more comedy than you'd expect from Pixar. Finding Dory is almost borderline DreamWorks. The sentimentality comes in the form of flashbacks. These flashbacks are really well done and gives this sequel its heart, but it also felt like a separate entity. At times, it does feel like you're watching two different movies. But ultimately, it doesn't really matter. I'm just critiquing for the sake of critiquing. The film is fine. You'll guys like it, except for Dracula , of course. And that short before the feature, the one with the bird, is awesome. It's no where near the masterpiece of that volcano one from Inside Out, but it's really good nonetheless.
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Post by Justin on Jun 16, 2016 17:42:00 GMT -5
But did they find her?
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Post by Doomsday on Jun 16, 2016 21:41:06 GMT -5
She was murdered.
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Post by Neverending on Jun 16, 2016 21:55:28 GMT -5
lol. No. But you might still shed a tear.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jun 18, 2016 13:40:25 GMT -5
I liked Finding Nemo just fine, but I'm finding it hard to work up any real interest in seeing this movie.
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Post by FShuttari on Jun 18, 2016 15:02:13 GMT -5
Looks like this will the highest grossing animated film... As of right now "Toy Story 3" holds the record with 110 Million opening weekend.
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Post by Ramplate on Jun 18, 2016 15:46:16 GMT -5
lol. No. But you might still shed a tear. Because the Mob kidnapped her, and cut off her fin to show they were serious about wanting the ransom....and then they dumped her in the East River.
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Post by Jibbs on Jun 18, 2016 16:32:40 GMT -5
Finding Dory (2016)
One minute in and I was hooked. And no, I'm not talking about the pre-feature short, Piper, which was wonderful, by the way. Finding Nemo is one of my favorite Pixar films, and that's saying a lot, but I had no idea I was so attached to the characters. And if you feel the way I do, then you're in for a hell of a ride, because this film tugs at the emotional strings non-stop. It's funny, it has a familiar plot structure, but leave it to Pixar to put in many layers to the story. We all know Dory and her funny memory loss, but where we felt sorry for her disability 10% of the time in Finding Nemo, that's been cranked up to about 60% now. And it's no coincidence that she eventually finds herself among some other disabled animals, because at the core this movie is about her struggles and how she fights to overcome them. It's beautiful and heart-wrenching.
There's a joke worth staying for after the credits.
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Post by Neverending on Jun 18, 2016 16:49:38 GMT -5
Finding Dory (2016)One minute in and I was hooked. And no, I'm not talking about the pre-feature short, Piper, which was wonderful, by the way. Finding Nemo is one of my favorite Pixar films, and that's saying a lot, but I had no idea I was so attached to the characters. And if you feel the way I do, then you're in for a hell of a ride, because this film tugs at the emotional strings non-stop. It's funny, it has a familiar plot structure, but leave it to Pixar to put in many layers to the story. We all know Dory and her funny memory loss, but where we felt sorry for her disability 10% of the time in Finding Nemo, that's been cranked up to about 60% now. And it's no coincidence that she eventually finds herself among some other disabled animals, because at the core this movie is about her struggles and how she fights to overcome them. It's beautiful and heart-wrenching. There's a joke worth staying for after the credits. ***.5/**** True. It does have an overcoming disability theme, but for whatever reason, I didn't focus on it too much. The characters are so silly that it's kinda difficult to look at them that way. You have the blind whale, the sonar one, the Al Bundy squid and those two seals. They're so funny that it's like, I don't know, I just saw past it.
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Post by Jibbs on Jun 18, 2016 17:00:28 GMT -5
Well, that was to secure the theme. Yes, they all had silly "disabilities." I just didn't want to mention minor spoilers like the flashbacks which are COMPLETELY in the context of raising a disabled child.
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Post by Neverending on Jun 18, 2016 17:18:07 GMT -5
Well, that was to secure the theme. Yes, they all had silly "disabilities." I just didn't want to mention minor spoilers like the flashbacks which are COMPLETELY in the context of raising a disabled child. Yeah, the flashbacks I completely agree with. That was the emotional core. The present day scenes were almost DreamWorks-esque. I don't think Andrew Stanton 100% gave a fuck. This was more of a comedy than the standard Pixar. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but if people are gonna compare it with Nemo, they might prefer Nemo.
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Post by Jibbs on Jun 18, 2016 17:27:24 GMT -5
Don't you badmouth Andrew Stanton!
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jun 28, 2016 19:47:37 GMT -5
Pixar has long been the standard for animated films and have been known for creating unique worlds and characters that are as likable as they are marketable. Perhaps their biggest hit when factoring in critical accolades and sheer sales volume was 2003's Finding Nemo, so it's no surprise that Pixar has returned to that deep well to produce a sequel 13 years later. The result is a film that doesn't stack up with its predecessor, but is still a welcome return to these characters and another strong effort to tack onto the Pixar portfolio.
The film picks up a year after the events in Finding Nemo. Dory's memory is suddenly triggered, and she has a desperate desire to reunite with her family, whom she hasn't seen since she was young. From there, the film treads on familiar beats from the original, but to Pixar's credit does not play out as another trek across the ocean and rather settles on a main setting at a marine park that also functions as a medical facility for injured marine life. Finding Nemo not only benefitted from a clever script and an assortment of characters, but also the sheer sense of awe and wonder that they were able to capture. This trek across this endless ocean of sharks, whales, jellyfish, sea turtles, etc. just felt like such a journey that I think very few films, let alone animated ones, are able to embody. So while I can appreciate Pixar not churning out a literal sequel where we travel across the ocean again just with different circumstances, the marine park is certainly not an equal substitute. That being said, Pixar continues to outdo themselves on the animation front. The water is so gorgeously naturalistic; it sways and shimmers in the wind and sun so fluidly. The character designs are as vibrant as ever, namely newcomer Hank the octopus who camouflages himself throughout the film, and the incredible attention to detail is another reason why Pixar stands above the competition.
While the marine park isn't nearly the adventurous setting of the original, they did a great job making fun of its nuances. The touch pool scene was hilarious and brought to mind the toys that are doomed to a fate of being played with by the really young, rowdy children in Toy Story 3. They make fun of a Sea World-esque place without being dreary or preachy about anything too, so that was certainly a plus. They work with what they have, and again while it's not nearly as much as the unlimited potential of the ocean, Pixar does a good job.
While the supporting cast is fun to see and maintain their charms from the original, this is a Dory vehicle all the way. Nemo and Marlin are sort of just along for the ride, though Marlin's harmless cynicism provides some good laughs, especially when dealing with the somewhat crackhead bird Becky. At times the film drags, and Dory explaining to a character about her short-term memory problem for the hundredth time gets a bit redundant, but the script contains several clever moments and plays on this well. The film also moves at a brisk pace, and while it's disappointing that the film doesn't have the sense of adventure that the original does, it all flows at this speed that seems to be shadowing Dory, so it works in drubbing up the hijinks. In the end, Finding Dory isn't a disaster nor is it equal in regards to Finding Nemo, but it's definitely better than Monsters University was and has a lot of the clever humor and characters that Pixar is known for. Plus, it works well on its beat and earns points for not following the same exact plot line of the original, which they easily could've done. This isn't top-tier Pixar, but other than Inside Out it's better than their recent output and is a very worthy follow up to its 2003 megahit.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 17, 2016 22:06:04 GMT -5
Finding Dory(7/16/2016)
As longtime readers will know, my relationship to the Pixar Animation Studio is… complicated. I ignored them for years, much as I ignored family films of all varieties, until the overwhelming critical acclaim finally wore me down. Finally in early 2011 I broke down and watched all the Pixar movies for the first time and wrote about the experience in a series of blog posts. Long story short, the movies weren’t really for me and I wouldn’t go along with some of the more over the top praise for them, they were certainly well made movies for what they were and I found some things to enjoy in them. Since then I’ve kept up with their output as they’ve come out on Blu-Ray for academic reasons, but until now I’ve never taken the step of seeing one of their movies in theaters and writing a full review. So why now? Well, it certainly wasn’t because Finding Dory seemed like all that promising of a project to me. Of the old Pixar movies I watched back in 2011 Finding Nemo was not one of my favorites and Pixar’s non-Toy Story sequels have generally not been great. Also, while Finding Dory has definitely been very well liked by critics it certainly hasn’t received the rapturous reception of Inside/Out. The rather unglamorous answer is that, unlike other Pixar movies, Finding Dory has come out during a very slow period in the release schedule and with nothing better to see it seemed to me that keeping up with the discussion around the latest Pixar release seemed like the best option.
This sequel, while made over a decade later, is set a year after the events of the original Finding Nemo. Marlin (Albert Brooks) and Nemo (now voiced by Hayden Rolence) have settled back down in their ocean home but have maintained a close friendship with their memory challenged companion Dory (Ellen DeGeneres). One day after a convenient bonk on the head Dory suddenly has a memory from her childhood of her parents. It’s vague but it’s enough for her to know she should be looking in Morro Bay California, which is on the other side of the Pacific from her current Australian digs. Dory wants to seek them out and Marlin, realizing that he owes her one, reluctantly agrees to go with her there and after they hitch a ride on the turtles from the first movie they discover that her parents actually live inside of a giant Seaworld-like aquarium called the Marine Life Institute. Soon Dory and Nemo are split up and are desperately searching through this rather large but interconnected institute to try to find these missing parents and escape before it’s too late.
A big part of why I wasn’t too wild about the original Finding Nemo was because I thought the character of Dory was really really annoying. In fact my exact words were “what really irritated me about Dory was that every time I was getting into Marlin’s story and wanting him to succeed he would be hindered by Dory’s comic relief, though paradoxically I was just as if not more annoyed whenever she somehow managed to help Marlin’s quest through some kind of wacky accident.” I can’t say that the character has been changed too dramatically but her crazy memory problem has been framed in a different way that does make it more palatable. Most notably her “condition,” which mostly came off like a comic relief driven eccentricity in the first movie feels more like an allegory for a legitimate mental illness this time around. This puts you the viewer in an odd position because every time you wish someone would yell “Dory there you go ruining everything again” or “Dory will you just shut up for one fucking second and let someone explain something to you” at her you have to stop yourself from thinking such things because it’s kind of a dick move to yell at a “special needs” person whose trying their best.
Fortunately Pixar has my back on this vis-a-vie a new character named Hank the Octopus. Hank is an octopus voiced by Ed O’Neil who has been living in the marine institute and is trying to find his way onto a truck going to the Cleveland aquarium, which he believes will finally allow him a life of peace and quiet after having had bad experiences both in the ocean and in a children’s exhibit. He tags along with Dory because he thinks she can give him her transport tag which will get him on the truck but is a lot less likely than some of the other characters to put up with her shit and the movie really comes alive whenever he's on screen both because of the way he's animated and his general attitude. In fact this movie seems particularly packed with quality side characters compared to other Disney/Pixar movies and is certainly better at that than the original Finding Nemo which was filled with nonsense like vegetarian sharks and whatnot. If you look through this movie’s IMDB page you see a staggering number of celebrity voice cameos and very few of them seem like stunt castings and are all integrated quite well. It should also go without saying that this is a huge visual upgrade from the 2003 original given the evolution in technology since then, and that’s certainly needed because that movie is really starting to show its age, but I feel like beyond that there just a lot more ambition in the way the sequences are planned and choreographed here.
Let’s look back at the last really well received Pixar movie, Inside/Out. That was a movie with a really clever premise, but I thought its adventure format was kind of weak and I had some philosophical differences with it that I couldn’t overlook. Finding Dory clearly has a less creative premise than Inside/Out what with it not taking place in someone’s head and being a sequel to boot. However, I think it works a lot better as an adventure narrative than that movie which would seem to make up for that… however, once again I’m held back form fully endorsing the movie by some philosophical differences with the movie’s message. For one thing, I think the movie kind of fails Hank the Octopus. Hank is a guy who knows what he wants, namely to not be in the ocean and to “get his,” and the movie ends up doing nothing but judge him for this. But that’s kind of a minor quibble. The bigger problem is the movie’s interest in a sort of clash in problem solving styles between Marlin and Dory. Marlin plans out his every move and avoids taking unnecessary risks while Dory impulsively rushes into everything, “wings it” at every turn, and never gives up on an adventure once she’s found a goal. Over the course of the movie Marlin is forced to not just respect Dory’s approach but to embrace it. The movie actively holds up “what would Dory do” at every turn as the superior way of doing things in pretty much every situation and that seems ridiculous to me. Yeah, impulsively doing whatever your ID tells you works fine if you live in a Disney movie like this where everything almost magically just works out for you but in the real world that is not how anyone should be encouraged to live their life.
Recently I’ve been looking back at some of the old movies that Disney made during its “Golden Age” and I’ve got to say, the experience has mostly been giving me a renewed appreciation for Pixar. Don’t get me wrong, those classics had some beautiful animation and they did a lot of pioneering stuff, but man oh man were they simplistic and prone to doing some kind of lazy stuff. For whatever their merits a lot of those “classics” make this look like The Godfather by comparison. As for its merit when compared to the rest of Pixar’s work, I think it holds its own pretty well against a lot of them. It’s definitely better than Finding Nemo and while I know I’m in the minority about this I think I might have liked it a little better overall than Inside Out even if I probably respect it less conceptually. Either way it’s certainly the work of the good Pixar rather than the iffier Monsters Univerisy/Cars 2 Pixar that was looking like a shadow of its former self, possibly because it’s being overseen by Andrew Stanton, who is one of their OGs. If it had just broken a little more ground gotten its messaging more in line I might have gone so far as to say it was one of their best efforts.
***1/2 out of Five
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Post by Jibbs on Nov 15, 2016 20:08:57 GMT -5
Wow, they really shit on it.
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Post by IanTheCool on Nov 19, 2016 11:47:16 GMT -5
Pixar movies are usually about more than they are about. A movie about a fish that gets lost? Whatever. A story about how that fish represents those who live with various disabilities, and about how parents cope with their children having disabilities? More interesting. So there is certainly a lot of value in a movie like Finding Dory. But its not exactly another Pixar masterpiece, and certainly not on the same tier as its predecessor. Dory has a strong message and involves the same interesting characters as Finding Nemo, but it doesn't feel quite as polished. I did enjoy the theme for the most part, especially the flashback where Dory sees her parents crying and worrying about her, but I don't feel it was as infused into the whole film like previous Pixar efforts usually are. I also felt like the flashbacks she uses to initiate her journey and propel her forward at certain points was rather contrived and didn't flow very naturally with the story. Oh she's stuck. Time for a random flashback which will trigger something for her! I guess I don't know how else they could do it, but I didn't quite feel like this fit the theme. The way she overcame her disability was by her temporarily not having that disability? Another reason I didn't like Dory as much as Nemo was because while Dory works as a supporting character, she gets sort of fatiguing as a main character. Its nice that Marlin and Nemo as still a big part, but sometimes their dialogue doesn't quite work. Some of the new characters were very enjoyable, like Hank the octopus (except for one aspect which I will get to), the crazy duck, and the seals. I didn't really like Bailey though. Another thing that bugged me, and I know I'm not alone because I've heard many other complaints about this, is how liberal they get with how the fish are able to move around on land. Hank being an octopus allows them to put Dory into coffee pots, bottles, whatever so that she can move round the park. Heck, there's even a point where the octopus is driving a truck! Granted this is a cartoon but... it really feels like they are stretching the bounds of plausibility. Finding Nemo established certain rules about how real and how cartoony this world was supposed to be, and it was very clear that the sea creatures, while sentient, were still sea creatures, limited by their natures. That goes right out the window here. Okay, now that all of that is out of my system, this i why this is still a worthwhile movie: it still has authentic emotion at its core. Everything with Dory and her parents genuinely works, and the scene where she follows the shells to find them was really touching. And the parts where the theme is felt made me appreciate this movie quite a bit. Oh, also its gorgeous, as you would expect. 7/10
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Post by PG Cooper on Dec 18, 2016 19:32:33 GMT -5
Ever since it was announced, I’ve watched from a distance as much of my generation has clamoured in excitement for Finding Dory. I was especially surprised by comments along the lines of, “we’ve been waiting thirteen years for this” as if Finding Nemo had ended on some cliffhanger. Really though, my detachment stemmed largely from the fact that I’ve never been big on Finding Nemo. Even as a kid, the movie always seemed like more of a “baby” movie than a lot of Pixar’s other films. It’s also important to consider that nine year old me was very much into action movies at the time. In 2003 I remember having my mind blown by stuff like X-Men 2, The Matrix Reloaded, and The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King. In that company, a cutesy movie about some talking fish just seemed lame. I did revisit Finding Nemo over the summer and my feelings on it are still pretty average. The father-son bond is really strong, but the humor is really lame and the film feels a lot more like a kid’s movie to me than Pixar’s better work. Needless to say, I was not going in to Finding Dory with much expectations, but to my shock this is actually a pretty enjoyable movie.
The film is set one year after the events of Finding Nemo and our three central fish of Marlin (Albert Brooks), Nemo (Hayden Rolence), and Dory (Ellen DeGeneres) are all living comfortably. However a chance incident sparks a memory of Dory’s family, whom she was separated from as a child. This puts Dory on a quest to find where she comes. This journey soon leads her, Marlin, and Nemo to a Marine Life Institute. There, Dory soon meets a disgruntled octopus by the name of Hank (Ed O’Neil), who has his own goals, but is willing to meet with Dory if it means he can get what he wants.
I’ll say upfront that one of the reasons I don’t care much for the original film is that Dory herself is an annoying character and the idea of her being the protagonist of her own film was not very appealing to me. However I actually find her character to be pretty interesting here and really the only difference is that the filmmakers take Dory’s short-term memory loss problem a lot more seriously this time around. Where Finding Nemo treated it more like a quirky movie trait, this film frames it as a legitimate disability. Dory actively struggles with her memory problem and other conversations are evocative of real ones about living with a disability or caring for someone who has one. Ultimately, the film doesn’t say much about disability beyond a generic, “you can do anything as long as you try” message, but I still respect the film for treating the topic seriously.
Finding Dory is also generally a more well-executed movie than its predecessor. As far as comedy goes, I found this to actually be pretty witty and charming. There are a few groaners here and there, but I also got some genuine chuckles and laughs here and there. A big part of this is the supporting cast. It’s clear the filmmakers spent a lot of time coming up with some fun personalities and finding the right voices for them and while a lot of these parts are played by major celebrities they all fit pretty naturally. The highlight is easily Ed O’Neil’s Hank the octopus whose gruff demeanor works really well and he’s also animated in a very fun way. The movie also works pretty decently as an adventure movie of sorts as we watch our characters try and navigate through tricky situations. The filmmakers make really good use of the Marine Life Institute location and there are some creative little set-pieces sprinkled throughout. However the film does go a little too far with what the fish are able to do in the human world and pushes the logic of the world. I realize this is a movie about talking fish, but one of the few things I like about Finding Nemo is the ways in which it created set-pieces while still holding to some sort of reality. That’s really stretched here, particularly in the finale which is pretty ridiculous even if it ends on an amusing gag.
So Finding Dory works pretty well as a fun romp but I do take issue with some of the film’s messages. In particular, I think the way the film holds up Dory and her way of behaving as some sort of major virtue. I’m not saying she’s a bad role-model, but the characters in the film quite literally ask themselves, “what would Dory do?” and ultimately celebrate her impulsive and reckless behaviour. There’s a time for that I suppose, but there’s also value in being cautious, analytic, and making informed decisions. Would it have been so bad for Dory a lesson too? I’m reminded a little bit of Cars 2 and that movie’s insinuation that despite Mater acting like a bumbling idiot who constantly fucked things up for others it was really is friends who should just accept Mater for who he is. Finding Dory is not nearly so stupid or insulting, but it is also guilty of holding up a character as something to aspire to when in reality that character could stand to learn something.
I do wish Finding Dory was able to say something a little more insightful or interesting, but it’s still solid for what it is and certainly better than I expected it to be. Dory herself is more well-realized as a character, more jokes land, and there’s also fun to be had in the adventure storyline. In fact, “fun” is probably the ideal word to describe Finding Dory. I did have fun watching it, but I also don’t think it’s a movie that will last with me in particular. It’s only been a few days and already I can feel it slipping away. I also think that the film is still representative of a Pixar in decline. It’s a good movie, but isn’t as good as last year’s Inside Out and I also don’t think it’s as good as other animated films from 2016 like Zootopia and Kubo and the Two Strings. Still, if you’re looking for some family entertainment, Finding Dory will satisfy that need and I’m also willing to bet it’s still in the higher ranks of 2016 family movies.
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