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Post by Wyldstaar on Jun 9, 2016 10:37:02 GMT -5
I finally got around to seeing X-Men: Apocalypse, and found it serviceable at best. Everything that makes the various X-Men heroes and villains interesting in the comics is nowhere to be seen, except for Xavier and Magneto. Apocalypse is yet another generic, all-powerful villain who wants to destroy the world for no practical reason. Angel gets zero character development before being twisted into Archangel, so why should I care? Oh, it turns out I don't have to care because he's F-ing DEAD by the end of the movie! Heaven forbid we get to see Warren trying to overcome what Apocalypse has done to him and come to terms with what he's become at some point. We certainly can't have anything as interesting as the brotherly conflict between the Summers brothers, so Havok has to die. The Quicksilver scene was highly entertaining. Weapon X was shoehorned into the film to make Wolverine fans happy, but his appearance doesn't make any sense. It was made very clear in Days of Future Past that Logan was not taken by Stryker in this timeline, but instead by Mystique. Once again, Jean just has the Phoenix in her as part of who she is, instead of it being a cosmic entity, because that's not "grounded" enough. A guy who can assemble a pyramid the size of an arcology from Blade Runner with his mind in a couple of minutes is fine, but otherworldly beings is too far? So much for ignoring The Last Stand.
I'm just going to stop there. I try really hard to support comic book movies, but I'm hard pressed to consider this a comic book movie at all. Most of these characters are not Marvel characters. They're Fox characters who just happen to share the same names as some Marvel ones.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jun 9, 2016 13:13:45 GMT -5
I finally got around to seeing X-Men: Apocalypse, and found it serviceable at best. Everything that makes the various X-Men heroes and villains interesting in the comics is nowhere to be seen, except for Xavier and Magneto. Apocalypse is yet another generic, all-powerful villain who wants to destroy the world for no practical reason. Angel gets zero character development before being twisted into Archangel, so why should I care? Oh, it turns out I don't have to care because he's F-ing DEAD by the end of the movie! Heaven forbid we get to see Warren trying to overcome what Apocalypse has done to him and come to terms with what he's become at some point. We certainly can't have anything as interesting as the brotherly conflict between the Summers brothers, so Havok has to die. The Quicksilver scene was highly entertaining. Weapon X was shoehorned into the film to make Wolverine fans happy, but his appearance doesn't make any sense. It was made very clear in Days of Future Past that Logan was not taken by Stryker in this timeline, but instead by Mystique. Once again, Jean just has the Phoenix in her as part of who she is, instead of it being a cosmic entity, because that's not "grounded" enough. A guy who can assemble a pyramid the size of an arcology from Blade Runner with his mind in a couple of minutes is fine, but otherworldly beings is too far? So much for ignoring The Last Stand.
I'm just going to stop there. I try really hard to support comic book movies, but I'm hard pressed to consider this a comic book movie at all. Most of these characters are not Marvel characters. They're Fox characters who just happen to share the same names as some Marvel ones. They could still make Phoenix a cosmic entity. Singer has expressed interest in going to space. |
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Post by RedVader on Jun 9, 2016 14:54:45 GMT -5
No this time for a change Justin your the one sounding all 5th grader and you dont gotta be snotty. Some people may like the movie which i have liked most x-men films. And Im not an Idiot for thinking your wrong and being a bit over dramatic.
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Post by RedVader on Jun 9, 2016 14:59:25 GMT -5
I finally got around to seeing X-Men: Apocalypse, and found it serviceable at best. Everything that makes the various X-Men heroes and villains interesting in the comics is nowhere to be seen, except for Xavier and Magneto. Apocalypse is yet another generic, all-powerful villain who wants to destroy the world for no practical reason. Angel gets zero character development before being twisted into Archangel, so why should I care? Oh, it turns out I don't have to care because he's F-ing DEAD by the end of the movie! Heaven forbid we get to see Warren trying to overcome what Apocalypse has done to him and come to terms with what he's become at some point. We certainly can't have anything as interesting as the brotherly conflict between the Summers brothers, so Havok has to die. The Quicksilver scene was highly entertaining. Weapon X was shoehorned into the film to make Wolverine fans happy, but his appearance doesn't make any sense. It was made very clear in Days of Future Past that Logan was not taken by Stryker in this timeline, but instead by Mystique. Once again, Jean just has the Phoenix in her as part of who she is, instead of it being a cosmic entity, because that's not "grounded" enough. A guy who can assemble a pyramid the size of an arcology from Blade Runner with his mind in a couple of minutes is fine, but otherworldly beings is too far? So much for ignoring The Last Stand.
I'm just going to stop there. I try really hard to support comic book movies, but I'm hard pressed to consider this a comic book movie at all. Most of these characters are not Marvel characters. They're Fox characters who just happen to share the same names as some Marvel ones. I took it as maybe Mystique posing as Stryker was a way to help Logan by giving back his metal claws. But thats a Raven thank you not maybe thinking how much pain it was too have boiling metal welded to ones skeleton. |
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Post by Wyldstaar on Jun 9, 2016 17:42:06 GMT -5
I took it as maybe Mystique posing as Stryker was a way to help Logan by giving back his metal claws. But thats a Raven thank you not maybe thinking how much pain it was too have boiling metal welded to ones skeleton. The Mystique of 1973 did not know Wolverine, and had no knowledge of him having an adamantium laced skeleton ten years in the future. To her, Logan was just some guy who showed up in Paris with Charles, Eric and Hank, who she saw again briefly at the White House and then fished out of the Potomac River. The Mystique of this time line is primarily interested in the liberation of captive mutants, be they soldiers in Vietnam being shipped to a laboratory, caged death matches in Germany or tangled up in rebar at the bottom of a river. |
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Post by RedVader on Jun 9, 2016 22:58:40 GMT -5
Well In the comics Logan and Mystique have a long complicated history. She may know him another way before she met charles they just had not explored that story.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Jun 9, 2016 23:19:03 GMT -5
Well In the comics Logan and Mystique have a long complicated history. She may know him another way before she met charles they just had not explored that story. That doesn't change the fact that the Wolverine of the past doesn't know anything about adamantium or the Weapon X program. That doesn't happen until the 80's. Even if Mystique knows about it from her frequent impersonations of Stryker (which is certainly a possibility), she would never condone any experimentation on mutants. It's the exact opposite of everything she's ever fought for, past, present or future. |
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Post by Neverending on Jun 10, 2016 2:29:55 GMT -5
You're over-thinking it, Wyldstaar . Mystique rescued Logan after he was found in the river/lake/whatever and then they went their separate ways. But since the opening credits of Wolverine Origins are still canon, it's very possible that Logan ended up in yet another war and crossed paths with the real Stryker. |
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Post by RedVader on Jun 10, 2016 3:32:35 GMT -5
Well it showed she had an interest in finding Logan in Days Of A Future Past. Its highly possible her parents were killed and Logan may have found her as a soldier. He could have helped Mystique very much like he helped Rouge before Raven ended up at Charles house.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Jun 10, 2016 11:53:43 GMT -5
You're over-thinking it, Wyldstaar . Mystique rescued Logan after he was found in the river/lake/whatever and then they went their separate ways. But since the opening credits of Wolverine Origins are still canon, it's very possible that Logan ended up in yet another war and crossed paths with the real Stryker. You're taking too much for granted, Neverending. The last time we saw Wolverine, he was being taken into custody by a fake Stryker. The next time we see him, he's in the custody of the real Stryker. This just makes it look as though the writers didn't bother to watch the last movie. Sure, anything can happen in ten years. It's also not always necessary to spell everything out for the audience. That said however, when you're including a scene which directly contradicts what was previously established, an explanation needs to be shown to the audience. |
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Post by Neverending on Jun 10, 2016 18:07:54 GMT -5
You're over-thinking it, Wyldstaar . Mystique rescued Logan after he was found in the river/lake/whatever and then they went their separate ways. But since the opening credits of Wolverine Origins are still canon, it's very possible that Logan ended up in yet another war and crossed paths with the real Stryker. You're taking too much for granted, Neverending. The last time we saw Wolverine, he was being taken into custody by a fake Stryker. The next time we see him, he's in the custody of the real Stryker. This just makes it look as though the writers didn't bother to watch the last movie. Sure, anything can happen in ten years. It's also not always necessary to spell everything out for the audience. That said however, when you're including a scene which directly contradicts what was previously established, an explanation needs to be shown to the audience. There IS a 3rd Wolverine movie that may answer a lot of questions. |
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Post by Wyldstaar on Jun 10, 2016 20:18:59 GMT -5
There IS a 3rd Wolverine movie that may answer a lot of questions. Perhaps, but it seems unlikely. So far, everything leaked about the movie indicates that Wolverine III will be set in the future that Logan found himself in when he woke up at the end of DoFP. That Logan only possessed memories from his original timeline, and needed Xavier to explain what had transpired over the decades. Honestly, I don't really care about this one continuity error. The entire X-Men movie franchise is so full of continuity errors that it's absurd. Most of them don't even involve time travel. |
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Post by IanTheCool on Jun 10, 2016 20:43:36 GMT -5
I feel like they shouldnt have done the "time wipe" unless it was going to be the last xmen movie.
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Post by RedVader on Jun 13, 2016 17:09:14 GMT -5
Unless Mystique figured a Wolverine with Metal Claws would be a better soldier then logan she met after fished out of the water. Do remember in this story Mystique view is that its war and wars need soliders. Mystique is a grey character really. I dont think she cares about Morality just things work out the way she wants them.
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Post by Fanible on Jun 13, 2016 18:00:28 GMT -5
It's just bad writing. Filling in the blank with FOX's X-Men series hurts my head. The ending of DOFP would have been perfectly fine with Stryker fishing him out of the water, but for some weird reason they had it be Mystique with nothing to come of it.
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Post by Neverending on Jun 13, 2016 19:05:54 GMT -5
It's just bad writing. Filling in the blank with FOX's X-Men series hurts my head. The ending of DOFP would have been perfectly fine with Stryker fishing him out of the water, but for some weird reason they had it be Mystique with nothing to come of it. I mean, she was roaming around rescuing mutants. |
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Post by Wyldstaar on Jun 13, 2016 20:04:20 GMT -5
It's just bad writing. Filling in the blank with FOX's X-Men series hurts my head. The ending of DOFP would have been perfectly fine with Stryker fishing him out of the water, but for some weird reason they had it be Mystique with nothing to come of it. I mean, she was roaming around rescuing mutants. Exactly. Having Mystique rescue Logan was in keeping with how her character was established in DoFP. It was Apocalypse that dropped the ball. |
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Post by Neverending on Jun 13, 2016 21:16:53 GMT -5
I mean, she was roaming around rescuing mutants. Exactly. Having Mystique rescue Logan was in keeping with how her character was established in DoFP. It was Apocalypse that dropped the ball. ? She rescued Nightcrawler. |
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Post by Fanible on Jun 14, 2016 22:18:39 GMT -5
That's not the issue. It's the continuity that's the issue. Why show her rescuing him if nothing came of it? Unless that's what is meant by "Apocalypse dropping the ball". But since nothing came of it (and that's down to Singer, who worked on both films), it was pointless showing that it was her that rescued him. Just show him being fished out by Stryker, then that explains why he still ended up being captured, experimented on, and getting the metal anyway.
Besides, Wolverine has to have the metal bones and trying to explain how he ended up getting them (or captured yet again) would have been a convoluted side story, and one that we now have no idea why. It was unncessary to show that it was Mystique at the end of DOFP. Just make it Stryker and that'd be the end of it. Wolverine still ends up getting his metal claws back, and that's the reason. His presence in DOFP inadvertently draws Stryker to him to end up doing the experiments anyway, despite the changes to the time line.
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Post by Doomsday on Aug 9, 2016 0:27:48 GMT -5
Just saw this. It definitely doesn't deserve a 48% on RT, it's actually better than I thought it was going to be. I don't really see why people disliked Apocalypse as much as they did. Sure his motivations to destroy the entire world were fuzzy but that's par for the course for every comic book villain nowadays.
The first major problem it had was the continuity as has already been discussed. I've seen each X-Men movie several times so toward the end I was constantly thinking 'hey wait a second.' My second problem was the whole Stryker/Wolverine scene which was very forced and extremely unnecessary. It really brought the movie to a standstill and it didn't add anything other than a copy of the X2 scene where Wolverine goes crazy on everybody. That was a 15 minute scene that easily could have been shaved to make the movie feel tighter. I know they want to include Hugh Jackman any chance they get but this scene was really out of place and brought the movie as a whole down.
Overall I had a lot of fun with it. It wasn't great and there were some things I would change but it's certainly better than other X-Men movies.
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Post by IanTheCool on Aug 9, 2016 13:13:13 GMT -5
Just saw this. It definitely doesn't deserve a 48% on RT, it's actually better than I thought it was going to be. I don't really see why people disliked Apocalypse as much as they did. Sure his motivations to destroy the entire world were fuzzy but that's par for the course for every comic book villain nowadays. Because his powers were undefined and too powerful to be either visually impressive or interesting. He was a glorified tailor, really. He mostly made suits for other people out of.... nothing, I guess? He also didn't have an actual characterization other than "the big threat". |
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Post by Neverending on Aug 9, 2016 13:40:16 GMT -5
Just saw this. It definitely doesn't deserve a 48% on RT, it's actually better than I thought it was going to be. I don't really see why people disliked Apocalypse as much as they did. Sure his motivations to destroy the entire world were fuzzy but that's par for the course for every comic book villain nowadays. Because his powers were undefined and too powerful to be either visually impressive or interesting. He was a glorified tailor, really. He mostly made suits for other people out of.... nothing, I guess? He also didn't have an actual characterization other than "the big threat". As the first all-powerful mutant, he clearly had a God complex. I think that was the point. Charles and the X-Men could have easily abused their powers but chose not to. |
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Post by Doomsday on Aug 9, 2016 14:04:38 GMT -5
Yeah they said a couple times that he absorbed powers from other mutants which is what made him nearly invincible. Like I said, the problem with his characterization stems from his lack of motivation. We've seen plenty of super-villains want to destroy the world just for the sake of destroying it, heck Age of Ultron came out only a year before this one and Ultron has the exact same motives. It would have been nice to see a little more behind Apocalypse, just a little.
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Post by IanTheCool on Aug 9, 2016 14:05:24 GMT -5
I'm just saying that cinematically it sucks. Ooh, stuff is flying around the air everywhere! Who cares?
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Post by Doomsday on Aug 26, 2016 12:28:08 GMT -5
I was talking about this earlier this week and two other thoughts popped up. For once I'd like a mainstream superhero movie where there wasn't some stupid pep talk like the one Mystique gave at the very end. Lines like 'forget what you think you know' or 'are you afraid? you should be' are so stale yet they keep getting thrown into every superhero film. Formula I guess. I also like contemporary music mixed into a scene if it adds to it thematically. Inserting Metallica's Four Horsemen into the scene where Apocalypse gathers his four horsemen is a little tooooo on the nose. I had the feeling that someone on the production Google searched 'four horsemen songs' or 'apocalypse music' and that was the closest they could get.
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