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Post by PG Cooper on Jan 26, 2016 14:22:36 GMT -5
I read about this a few weeks ago. Could be good. The current social climate regarding diversity in prestige pictures does make me a little skeptical than this film is merely being celebrated for diversity rather than the quality of the film itself, but it is an intriguing premise and I hope for the best.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jan 26, 2016 14:59:11 GMT -5
I had to read this a few times to make sure they weren't remaking Griffith's film. I'm sure he's writhing in his grave following this news, which is awesome.
Hope it's good. Like Cooper said, I judge movies based on quality, not on the current social climate. It doesn't age them well. Look at all the melodramatic propaganda films from the 40s and 50s that are completely absurd today and were never good films to begin with.
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Post by Doomsday on Jan 26, 2016 16:36:25 GMT -5
Hey now, Crash is as good and important as it was in 2005.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jan 26, 2016 17:09:33 GMT -5
True, it was shit then and it's shit now.
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Post by Dracula on Jan 27, 2016 0:24:49 GMT -5
Hey now, Crash is as good and important as it was in 2005. I'm almost beginning to think that movie was ahead of its time actually. |
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Post by Doomsday on Jan 27, 2016 21:01:22 GMT -5
Just make sure to check your male privilege before you do.
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Post by Neverending on Jan 27, 2016 21:18:12 GMT -5
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jan 29, 2016 10:37:35 GMT -5
Well, when they're made like 12 Years a Slave or Schindler's List, you're not gonna hear complaints from me. Hopefully they don't run them into the ground, but if they're strong movies then they're strong movies.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jan 29, 2016 11:00:40 GMT -5
It's an important part of history and it deserves to be addressed cinematically. Granted, I do agree that those should not be the only black narratives which are honoured and celebrated, but I don't really put that on the films themselves.
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Post by Dracula on Jan 29, 2016 21:23:55 GMT -5
 Sick of slavery movies? There have barely even been any. In the last fifty years there have been, what? 12 Years a Slave, Django Unchained (if you want to count that), Amistad (which focused very little on slavery itself), Beloved, maybe Glory... and that's literally it, five major movies in the last fifty years. Compared with the number or World War II movies or pretty much any other historical event that's hardly any.
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Post by thebtskink on Jan 29, 2016 22:22:51 GMT -5
Sick of slavery movies? There have barely even been any. In the last fifty years there have been, what? 12 Years a Slave, Django Unchained (if you want to count that), Amistad (which focused very little on slavery itself), Beloved, maybe Glory... and that's literally it, five major movies in the last fifty years. Compared with the number or World War II movies or pretty much any other historical event that's hardly any. Well in that case, in the last 100 years there have been relatively few Vietnam movies. Adjust your scale. Since the 80s, it's been the only way you can compete for an Oscar with a black movie. There needs to be something changes in the system to allow other compelling black stories to be made, other compelling roles to be available. The Oscars aren't the problem, but the studios are. |
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Post by Deexan on Jan 29, 2016 23:04:52 GMT -5
So i assume it's named thus for a reason?
Seems immensely pertinent.
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Post by Dracula on Jan 29, 2016 23:24:12 GMT -5
Sick of slavery movies? There have barely even been any. In the last fifty years there have been, what? 12 Years a Slave, Django Unchained (if you want to count that), Amistad (which focused very little on slavery itself), Beloved, maybe Glory... and that's literally it, five major movies in the last fifty years. Compared with the number or World War II movies or pretty much any other historical event that's hardly any. Since the 80s, it's been the only way you can compete for an Oscar with a black movie. There needs to be something changes in the system to allow other compelling black stories to be made, other compelling roles to be available. , Ray, The Color Purple... out of all the predominantly black Oscar contenders sing 1980 12 Years a Slave is the one and only one that's even about slavery. |
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Post by Neverending on Jan 29, 2016 23:29:03 GMT -5
thebtskink wants movies like Bad Boys 2 to win Best Picture.
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Post by thebtskink on Jan 29, 2016 23:36:59 GMT -5
As easy as biopics are for Oscar bait, those are a good start.
Something like Ali, or Ray or Precious do more to get black performances and voices out there than a slave movie --- which I think at a certain point of saturation will hurt the cause more than anything.
Look, a Nat Turner movie? Rad. Frederick Douglass? Cool. Harriet Tubman? Great.
I just don't want it to be the only option available for artistic recognition.
ETA I know Precious isn't a biopic. Two separate drunken points there.
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Post by Neverending on Jan 29, 2016 23:55:31 GMT -5
thebtskinkAlso, don't forget that the Oscars HATE comedies. If the Oscars were more comedy friendly, you would have seen a lot more Black actors get nominated. Cleavon Little in Blazing Saddles. Michael Jackson in The Wiz. Eddie Murphy in Coming to America and The Nutty Professor. Arsenio Hall and John Amos in Coming to America. Samuel L. Jackson in Django Unchained and The Hateful Eight. Just to name a few.
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Post by Deexan on Jan 29, 2016 23:58:53 GMT -5
It's sad that the realest "black" movies (which is a ridiculous categorisation in and of itself) are still Boyz 2 Men and Menace II Society.
At least, in my humble/uninformed, opinion.
Where are the 2010s equivalent of those films?
I demand to be educated.
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Post by Neverending on Jan 30, 2016 0:01:28 GMT -5
It's sad that the realest "black" movies (which is a ridiculous categorisation in and of itself) are still Boyz 2 Men and Menace II Society. At least, in my humble/uninformed, opinion. Where are the 2010s equivalent of those films? I demand to be educated. The "realest" Black movie is Friday. Boyz in the Hood was made for the white guilt crowd. Neither won Oscars. |
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Post by Deexan on Jan 30, 2016 0:22:03 GMT -5
Mate...no lie, I grew up on Boyz N tha Hood, M2S and Friday. Literally between the ages of 11 and 14 I think they were the only 3 movies I watched (and Robin Hood Prince of Thieves obvs). That led to Above The Rim ( gave us the best rap track of all time), and Juice, and Blue Chips, Higher Learning etc... , Aged 13 I was obsessed with black American movies, gangsta rap and the NBA. I have no idea how that came to pass considering I was a Guns N Roses addict when I was 10... Either way, it shaped my entire life. Funny how that happens.  You better put some water on that damn shit! |
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Post by Dracula on Jan 30, 2016 1:31:24 GMT -5
It's sad that the realest "black" movies (which is a ridiculous categorisation in and of itself) are still Boyz 2 Men and Menace II Society. At least, in my humble/uninformed, opinion. Where are the 2010s equivalent of those films? I demand to be educated. |
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Post by Dracula on Jan 30, 2016 1:34:28 GMT -5
It's sad that the realest "black" movies (which is a ridiculous categorisation in and of itself) are still Boyz 2 Men and Menace II Society. At least, in my humble/uninformed, opinion. Where are the 2010s equivalent of those films? I demand to be educated. The "realest" Black movie is Friday. Boyz in the Hood was made for the white guilt crowd. Neither won Oscars. That... might be true. John Singleton did get Best Director and Best Screenplay nominations for what that's worth. As far as 2010 equivalents... Fruitvale Station maybe... |
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Post by Deexan on Jan 30, 2016 1:56:18 GMT -5
It's sad that the realest "black" movies (which is a ridiculous categorisation in and of itself) are still Boyz 2 Men and Menace II Society. At least, in my humble/uninformed, opinion. Where are the 2010s equivalent of those films? I demand to be educated. Haha, even in my next post I put B2M before correcting it... I may or may not have been to a 90s party tonight. I'll check out Fruitvale... I just find it utterly bizarre that movies as good as those, and as blatantly realistic, didn't spawn more of the same from ensuing generations. One ponders how many stories there are to be told RIGHT NOW given the tension surrounding #BLM. Where are the Singletons and the Spike Lees? Is it as simple as saying that one of the myriad opportunities that young, working class black people don't have the capability to access is film? This obviously ties in to the Oscars etc, and is a sweeping conversation. I find it fascinating that black youth dominate music today but have next to no impact on film. And by the way I think the comments about slave films being passe or whatever to be ridiculous. There is no threshold at which point you say enough is enough; it equates to the holocaust. There are thousands, millions of tales to tell, none more important than the other. We need reminders that we were the most horrendous of c*nts. "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." < I am immensely scared of this quote... |
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Post by Neverending on Jan 30, 2016 2:23:54 GMT -5
Chris Rock already addressed this last year... and possibly will this year. "Hollywood is a white industry, just like the NBA is a black industry."
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Sick of slavery movies? There have barely even been any. In the last fifty years there have been, what? 12 Years a Slave, Django Unchained (if you want to count that), Amistad (which focused very little on slavery itself), Beloved, maybe Glory... and that's literally it, five major movies in the last fifty years. Compared with the number or World War II movies or pretty much any other historical event that's hardly any.
