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Post by Doomsday on Aug 3, 2016 14:03:43 GMT -5
I think if I watched Intolerable Cruelty in 2003 I would have given it more of a pass. Now that I'm a little older, wiser and more experienced I see it as a movie that's far, far below the talents of the filmmakers. Like I said, it's hard for me to picture Ladykillers being THAT bad but you guys are getting me convinced.
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Post by PG Cooper on Aug 3, 2016 15:19:36 GMT -5
Intolerable Cruelty was the worst Coen Brothers film I'd seen until I watched The Ladykillers a few hours later.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Aug 3, 2016 15:59:36 GMT -5
Yeah Intolerable Cruelty is very forgettable, but it's mediocre. Ladykillers is just a bad movie. I knew the bad press going into it, and for the first 30 minutes I was kind of enjoying it not understanding what the fuss was about. But as the movie progresses it just gets worse and worse. Easily their biggest stinker.
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Post by Doomsday on Aug 3, 2016 16:19:59 GMT -5
I have a feeling that I'm going to like The Ladykillers now.
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Post by Dracula on Aug 3, 2016 16:30:53 GMT -5
I have a feeling that I'm going to like The Ladykillers now. Have you seen the original?
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Post by Neverending on Aug 3, 2016 19:00:51 GMT -5
I have a feeling that I'm going to like The Ladykillers now.
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Post by PG Cooper on Aug 3, 2016 19:06:18 GMT -5
Good for Tom Hanks just going for it, but the movie still sucks.
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Post by Dracula on Aug 3, 2016 19:08:06 GMT -5
I'm not sure whether that's the best or worst scene from that movie.
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Post by Neverending on Aug 3, 2016 19:27:12 GMT -5
I'm not sure whether that's the best or worst scene from that movie.
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Post by Doomsday on Aug 6, 2016 11:09:19 GMT -5
The Ladykillers (2004)
View count: First timeI'll admit it, I didn't hate this movie. In fact there were a few things about it that I rather enjoyed. It wasn't very good but it wasn't the disaster I was expecting. I was aware of its reputation before seeing it and coming off the heels of Intolerable Cruelty I was expecting a horror show, something that might shake me to my core and demonstrate to me that maybe the Coens aren't the comedic geniuses I previously took them for. Frankly I think this movie stands head and shoulders about Intolerable Cruelty which isn't saying much but at least The Ladykillers felt like it was doing something. That purpose however is nearly lost in its muddled style and delivery. It really plays like a movie that was shot on a first draft of the script and written by people who weren't sure what kind of movie they wanted to make. I suppose that's the best way to describe it; it's a movie very unsure of itself and it shows. Tom Hanks gives one of his zaniest performances as Professor Dorr, a Classics professor (let's hear it for Classics majors like DDay!) who rents a room from Mrs. Munson, a church going old lady in the deep south. Unbeknownst to Mrs. Munson, Professor Dorr is planning a heist of a river boat casino and is frequently bringing in his gang of misfits who disguise themselves as a music band to tunnel into the vault. Once their caper is complete Mrs. Munson unfortunately discovers their fiendish plot and the Professor decides that they must rid themselves of Mrs. Munson once and for all. This added step to their perfect crime however doesn't quite go as planned and backfires again and again and again. My first initial, surface level thought. In the history of cinema there are a handful occasions where a terrible performance almost single-handedly sinks a film. Sofia Coppola in Godfather III stands out. While I wouldn't compare The Ladykillers to any Godfather movie there is one standout performance that really torpedoes the whole thing. Marlon Wayans, why did they cast Marlon Wayans? Each actor brought something, some quirk or talent or funny element to the table. Wayans was none of that. Every scene he was in brought the movie to a standstill. Granted, his character is also the least developed, least interesting and most vulgar but he also just brought the bare minimum. Not that I have anything against vulgarity but it doesn't fit with what's going on. It almost seems like the Coens thought that dropping an F-bomb was funny in and of itself. On the other hand, the surprising standout was JK Simmons as Pancake, the explosives expert who screws up at every turn but chimes in optimistically with lines like 'piece of cake, this isn't a problem, easy fix.' Pancake is probably the funniest character in the movie and is a good contrast to the Professor and the silent, brooding General. Even Hanks as Professor Dorr, while annoying and almost uncomfortable at times, brings a sense of devilry for lack of better words that made me laugh on more than one occasion. Where Ladykillers flounders is that it's very inconsistent. The story itself is good enough; thieves who take advantage of an old woman and try to kill her with disastrous results, but the Coens wallow in humor that's almost mean-spirited. As we've already established the Coen humor is typically situational and dialogue-driven and this one is the most screwball that they have made to date. It's hard for those aspects to work however when blended with the darker style of comedy that the Coens were also attempting to utilize, hence my referencing of the unnecessary and out of place vulgarity. I have nothing against it, heck The Big Lebowski is one of my all-time favs, but comedy isn't funny just because there are bad words in it. That's how 5th graders think and at many points this movie seems like it was made by a 5th grader. The Coens have employed this style successfully before but here it just fell completely flat. I suppose it's a noble effort at least compared to their previous film, it just doesn't work in its execution. It would have worked better if they chose one or the other, to either make a silly comedy or a hard-R comedy. In this case The Ladykillers didn't flow when having some of each. Although it's not the worst movie the Coens have made, I still give that to Intolerable Cruelty, it doesn't nearly live up to the potential of a movie filled with so much talent.
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Post by Deexan on Aug 7, 2016 0:18:08 GMT -5
I LOVE Intolerable Cruelty. 2nd favourite Coens after Lebowski.
So there.
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Post by Doomsday on Aug 7, 2016 1:04:04 GMT -5
I LOVE Intolerable Cruelty. 2nd favourite Coens after Lebowski. So there.
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Post by Deexan on Aug 7, 2016 1:24:08 GMT -5
Even I don't get it... :/
For whatever reason, I find it hilarious.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Aug 7, 2016 11:42:41 GMT -5
The Ladykillers, given everything I've heard about it, isn't a movie I really have any intention on ever seeing, honestly.
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Post by Doomsday on Aug 7, 2016 12:08:20 GMT -5
There's no reason to watch it unless you want to be a Coen completist like me. There are other movies that are more worthy of your time. If you do watch it though it won't be the worst thing you've ever seen.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Aug 7, 2016 12:15:54 GMT -5
I did indeed hate Intolerable Cruelty, but not as much as A Serious Man, which I'd consider their worst that I've seen. But I know I'm in the minority on that.
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Post by Doomsday on Aug 7, 2016 12:29:12 GMT -5
I did indeed hate Intolerable Cruelty, but not as much as A Serious Man, which I'd consider their worst that I've seen. But I know I'm in the minority on that. I didn't like A Serious Man at all when I first watched it. I'm a couple movies ahead for my little Coen project and I'll tell you my rewatch of the movie was a totally different experience.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Aug 7, 2016 12:30:48 GMT -5
Yeah, I couldn't stand it when I saw it.
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Post by Doomsday on Aug 7, 2016 16:09:53 GMT -5
I guess my point is that you should rewatch it.
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Post by Justin on Aug 7, 2016 16:12:04 GMT -5
I'm not sure I get the hate for A Serious Man. What exactly is so bad about it?
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Post by Doomsday on Aug 7, 2016 16:14:55 GMT -5
I'll wait until I throw up my review but after I watched it I didn't see the point of it, just a guy with shit happening to him and it ends on a really random and unresolved note.
But after a second go-round I get it now.
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Post by Justin on Aug 7, 2016 17:32:50 GMT -5
Oh, all right. Cool. Hopefully others who felt the same way will re-watch it and find something new too.
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Post by Doomsday on Aug 9, 2016 9:08:24 GMT -5
No Country For Old Men (2007)
View count: Dozens of timeNo Country For Old Men could widely be considered as the Coens' critical masterpiece. It's the film that finally earned them their Best Picture/Best Director Oscars after over 20 years of filmmaking and recaptured the acclaim they received with Fargo but had since struggled to maintain. The movie was praised for its brutal, nihilistic viewpoint which enabled it to feel very honest. It isn't a hand-holding drama, it lets the audience figure things out for themselves I remember reading about the Coens' writing process when adapting material. Much of it was merely copying the actions and dialogue word for word and putting them into the script, that's it. As a Cormac McCarthy fan it was pretty apparent that they tried to adapt their film as close to the novel as they could. In doing so however they were able to really capture the nihilistic attitude that McCarthy had established. Even the title No Country For Old Men is thought provoking. By my interpretation it's a statement about people getting caught up in the world of chaos where Chigur reigns. Moss is portrayed as the protagonist but he's also a very flawed character who makes poor decisions throughout the movie, decisions that result in several innocent people getting killed. He steals money, he goes back to the scene of the crime out of a sense of guilt, he involves his wife, all of which have far reaching and disastrous consequences. The movie ends on a very sour note but for once we get an ending that would happen in real life as opposed to those that only occur in movies. The main theme that I drew from the movie is the connection between greed and senseless, unflinching and unbiased violence. Nobody gets what they deserve but at the same time acts aren't entirely random. Even Tommy Lee Jones' opening monologue tells of a boy who was sent to the electric chair for killing a person just for sport. There was no rhyme or reason to it and although there is an initial event that propels the subsequent story it's how those events trickle down to each and every character that makes this a deep film. The memorable, standout performance of the movie of course is Javier Bardem's Anton Chigurh, the pressure-bolt wielding psychopath with his own personal mores. Bardem's performance ranks up there as one of the great and memorable cinematic villains of this century, perhaps second only to Heath Ledger's Joker. Bardem picked up his first Oscar for the role and his weapon of choice as well as hair style helped cement him as a standout character in modern cinema. Josh Brolin's Llewelyn Moss is the main character so to speak but he like many other Coen protagonists he's a desperate person who riddles the film with bad decisions, this time ultimately ending in tragedy. The Coens have a great talent for crafting deep, complex characters and sometimes all it takes it giving them something for us to disagree with. It makes them human and that redemption leads to greater satisfaction. Tommy Lee Jones also gives a great performance as Sheriff Bell, the police officer trying to piece together the events on the movie, keeping up with Moss and trying to figure what to make of the carnage that Chigurh leaves in his wake. Bell acts as the moral compass of the movie and acts as its voice before finally admitting that sometimes there's nothing for a man to do in the face of such senselessness. No Country For Old Men was and still is a pretty divisive movie. It's certainly not traditional Hollywood fare and can leave people with a bad taste in their mouths. For those of us though who can absorb its themes and appreciate what it's trying to say about its characters and us as people, it's a deep and engrossing movie that gets better with age. This movie to me is one of the very few that deserves all the praise and accolades its been given. If you ever were to discuss which movie is the best Coen film you could make a strong argument here.
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Post by Doomsday on Aug 10, 2016 14:08:02 GMT -5
Since we're almost two-thirds of the way done with 2016 I would like to add an addendum or two to my original list of anticipated 2016 movies. First, the ones I've seen.
Jason Bourne: B- Captain America: Civil War: B+ Hail, Caesar!: B The BFG: C+ X-Men: Apocalypse: B Hacksaw Ridge: C
Now a few that I would add to my original list of anticipated films.
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Post by Neverending on Aug 10, 2016 21:32:41 GMT -5
Why does Emma Stone look so weird in that trailer? Did she... get skinnier?
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