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Post by PhantomKnight on Dec 24, 2022 19:56:08 GMT -5
I've heard something that happens in the first five minutes of Babylon, and then something in the next five, that makes me kinda want to hurl. Wait until you hear about what happens in the last half hour!
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Post by Doomsday on Dec 30, 2022 13:20:29 GMT -5
The Woman King
Sometimes it can be hard to leave preconceived notions about a movie at the door. They can be as simple as 'This looks good and I'm really looking forward to watching it.' On the other hand they can make you think 'I would never watch this movie, it doesn't look that great but it's on a list that I said I was going to plow through however I might get lucky and it will turn out to be better than I thought even though that rarely happens these days.' The latter thought sums up my feelings before sitting down to watch The Woman King, a historical epic that's been compared to Braveheart and Gladiator despite its PG-13 rating. It's similar to those other films in that it's a period piece loosely based on actual events and while The Woman King exists in the shadow of those films it is mostly entertaining throughout.
It took me a while to put my finger on it but I think I know how this movie came to be. Based on no evidence whatsoever I imagine long ago, when it was first being conceived and was having its foundations built, it was once meant to be a Disney movie, a project that would have been a thematic sequel to Mulan. It didn't take long though before someone figured out that you can't really do Disney and slaves at the same time so they retooled it to be a live-action Sony produced drama while forgetting to shed those Disney elements. The result is a fast paced but melodramatic 'historical' piece that's as energetic as it is predictable. Thanks to a highly informative opening scroll, we're introduced to the Agojie, an all-female group of soldiers led by Nansica. They soon take in Nawi, an arrogant, rebellious youth who doesn't like following the rules, because who does at that age? She quickly excels in the Agojie training as the other warriors teach her how to fight and since it's 2022 that fighting is consistent with the Black Panther/John Wick style that destroys everyone in their paths. The Agojie are as fierce as they are nice as the entire training consists of winks and nods to everyone, always lending the notion that they're all friends and sisters like when a new sorority sister finishes rush. But alas, we're also introduced to the cartoon villain that was left over from the assumed Disney script. He's big, he's mean, and Nansica has a personal vendetta against him. I wonder if they're going to single each other out in the midst of a battle and squash their beefs once and for all. Speaking of beefs, Nawi reminds Nansica of herself when she was younger and the two butt heads. It can't be possible that Nawi is Nansica's long lost daughter, can it? Get out of here, you might say. That stuff only happens in a Disney movie. Oh, there we go again. We find out that Nansica gave Nawi away at birth but not before she made a cut in Nawi's minutes-old shoulder and stuck a shark tooth into it. Nevermind that doing that to a child who was just born would almost certainly cause an immediate infection and death. But hey, Disney story.
The Woman King is a perfectly serviceable movie that plays to formula and is an easy watch for people who are fans of the genre. It's nice seeing that a movie like this was given a theatrical release given that a lot of these sword and sandals stories are being relegated to streaming services and unnecessarily stretched into seasons-long series. The movie suffers though from its predictable plot and the strange desire to not take itself too seriously despite the fact that it wants you, the audience, to take it very seriously. Even though movies in the sword and sandals genre have received accolades throughout Hollywood history, The Woman King feels like a watered down and by the numbers installment. As for it being on AFI's Top 10, I can imagine that there are a number of other movies that were more deserving of placement, The Whale, Living, even The Batman just off the top of my head. There's a place for a movie of The Woman King's quality but I don't think awards season is it.
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Post by Doomsday on Jan 16, 2023 1:20:22 GMT -5
Avatar: The Way of Water
I had a couple weeks off at the end of December and I used the hiatus to catch up on current movies now that we're in the thick of awards season. Before my break started I asked a coworker if he planned on watching Avatar 2 to which he replied 'Avatar 2 is homework.' He explained to me that he had no real interest in watching the new Avatar movie but he felt like he was obligated to do so. He wanted to be part of the conversation, he wanted to be able to discuss the sequel to the biggest blockbuster of all time with any film fans who might be talking about it. He knew exactly what it was going to be about and he knew right where to set his expectations. I was of the same mindset. Even though I'm as big a James Cameron fan as anyone and his movies were cornerstones of my cinematic upbringing, I've always been in the middle with Avatar. I don't dislike it but I don't think it's some timeless classic either. I saw it in the theater, I was entertained and after that I was good. When the sequel was announced followed by sequels followed by endless sequels, and when it was postponed a year then two years then five years then another several, that all felt like hubris more than anything. How hard could it be to write one of these movies? I suppose I just got tired of hearing about it until a release date finally dropped. When the 3 hour 15 minute runtime came out that hubris line jumped out again. Needless to say, Avatar 2 was a homework assignment for me, something I could have gone without seeing but felt forced to do more than anything.
Now I know that's all a bunch of Debbie Downer negativity, I understand. I preface with all of that because I did sit down and watch it and it was everything I expected it to be. It was also highly entertaining and was, as expected, a visual feast to take in. The action scenes were exciting and well staged. The visual effects blending so seamlessly with the plate photography was really something to admire throughout the length of the movie, so much so it almost made me forget the shortcomings that I knew were going to be there. It's funny because I went in skeptical, I came away entertained and enjoying it more than I thought I would but also realized that I was in that familiar fog where you push the shortcomings aside due to all the bells and whistles attacking your senses. I almost forgot about the bad, sometimes very bad acting, the silly one note characters and the mind-numbingly stupid decision making from said characters that pushes the movie along. There were times where the pacing felt quick and flowed well, there were other entire sequences that could have easily been cut. Was it really that important to bring Steven Lang back? You couldn't have just made new souped-up Marine Avatars with the same effect? Because now that we've opened the door to Stephen Lang essentially being immortal no matter how many times you kill him it doesn't feel exciting, on the contrary it feels quite dull. There are a lot of fun, entertaining things about Avatar no question. As hard as it tries though, those elements that make it fun don't entirely gloss over the things that don't work. The worst part of all though is that the weaknesses of the movie could have easily been resolved had more focus been placed there. Maybe in the next one, if it's pushing 3 hours again just cut 400 visual effects shots which I'm sure could be easily done and use those hundreds of thousands of dollars in saved production costs to hire a couple more writers to glance at the script again. Cut everything with Spider. Kill him in the opening scene. It will work wonders for the movie, I promise.
Avatar 3 is slated to come out in December 2024. I don't really care, I'm not anxious about it, I don't know what it's about or who's in it nor am I really interested. There are a number of other movies being released between now and then that I would much rather see. But am I going to watch Avatar 3? Of course, I'm sure I'll be entertained every moment I'm in the theater. Because that's what Avatar is, it's popcorn entertainment that, to a certain degree and in a specific capacity, is pushing the envelope when it comes to a particular style of filmmaking. I would be lying if I came away saying I didn't have a good time because as stated above I had a better time than I thought I would. Still, although I had fun I can't ignore that once again there were some narrative shortcomings that would have helped it break into that higher tier had they been resolved in the front end. As a fun, entertaining movie it really works but when it comes to the Avatar detractors of which there are many it probably won't do much to help change their minds.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jan 16, 2023 1:39:04 GMT -5
I have never felt more close to you than I do now.
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Post by Doomsday on Jan 16, 2023 14:12:19 GMT -5
I have never felt more close to you than I do now.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jan 16, 2023 15:50:16 GMT -5
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jan 16, 2023 16:06:46 GMT -5
Phantom, Dooms, and Sno gearing up to fight Ian, Drac, Skink and I to the death.
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Post by thebtskink on Jan 16, 2023 16:09:09 GMT -5
Phantom, Dooms, and Sno gearing up to fight Ian, Drac, Skink and I to the death. Let's be honest. We all knew it'd end in something like this.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jan 16, 2023 16:16:38 GMT -5
Phantom, Dooms, and Sno gearing up to fight Ian, Drac, Skink and I to the death. Praying to Eywa to smite you and the other heathens
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jan 16, 2023 17:21:11 GMT -5
Avatar 3 is slated to come out in December 2024. I don't really care, I'm not anxious about it, I don't know what it's about or who's in it nor am I really interested. There are a number of other movies being released between now and then that I would much rather see. But am I going to watch Avatar 3? Of course, I'm sure I'll be entertained every moment I'm in the theater. Because that's what Avatar is, it's popcorn entertainment that, to a certain degree and in a specific capacity, is pushing the envelope when it comes to a particular style of filmmaking. I would be lying if I came away saying I didn't have a good time because as stated above I had a better time than I thought I would. Still, although I had fun I can't ignore that once again there were some narrative shortcomings that would have helped it break into that higher tier had they been resolved in the front end. As a fun, entertaining movie it really works but when it comes to the Avatar detractors of which there are many it probably won't do much to help change their minds. This was my most anticipated movie of 2022, and now my enthusiasm for this franchise is almost entirely gone. Like you said, seeing the sequels feels more like a perfunctory obligation at this point instead of something exciting. I should be as excited for Avatar 3 as I am for Dune: Part Two, and it's not even close. The Avatar franchise is probably the least interesting thing Cameron has done aside from True Lies and maybe (maybe) The Abyss, and realizing that he's going to throw the remainder of his career behind more of these just sucks.
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Post by Neverending on Jun 13, 2023 21:26:23 GMT -5
It’s on Tubi. I slept through a good chunk of it. The music does a lot of the heavy lifting.
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Post by Doomsday on Jun 13, 2023 23:47:30 GMT -5
It’s on Tubi. I slept through a good chunk of it. The music does a lot of the heavy lifting.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 16, 2023 2:20:43 GMT -5
The Color of Money (1986)If you were to ask me 'which film from the 1960s deserves a sequel set 25 years down the road' I'm not sure The Hustler would have been my first pick. While a good film, I probably wouldn't have thought that Eddie Felson would be a guy I would like to catch up with a quarter-century later. Nevertheless, The Hustler Part 2 would indeed come our way. You think Tom Cruise knew he’d be making Top Gun: Maverick 36 years later? I half-disagree. This is very much a Scorsese movie from a visual standpoint. Although Scorsese is a member of the 1970’s filmmaking rat pack, he was the old fart in the room. I know this because I looked up how old Scorsese was when he made the Color of Money. 43. 43 years old. What the fuck??!! That means Scorsese was 33 when he made Taxi Driver. That’s crazy. Spielberg was barely out of diapers when he made Jaws the year before. I bring this up because Color of Money felt like a movie made by an old man. It didn’t occur to me when I watched it in my teens and my 20’s, but as I near 40, I think I see why Scorsese agreed to direct this sequel. That Tom Cruise character is such a prick. To call this a straight forward teacher/student story undersells the movie because I don’t think Eddie ever really got through to Vincent. You missed a big plot point in your review, the John Turturro character. In the beginning of the movie, Eddie is disillusioned by the pool scene cause everyone is coked out and the game has been modified for ESPN. Then he comes across Vincent who has great raw talent but is a big kid (he literally works at a toy store) and is getting used by his street smart girlfriend. Vincent is someone naive that Eddie can take under his wing but it never works out the way he intended. If you’ve ever had to mentor someone I'm sure you quickly learned how hit or miss it can be. Some follow your guidance and find success. Others become great disappointments. In the scene in which Eddie loses to Forest Whitaker, he realized how out of touch he’d become. How can he aspire a kid in the 1980’s if he’s still stuck in the 1960’s? Eddie’s “comeback” is really an adaptation. That leads us back to Vincent. He still has more to learn but continues to be a douchebag and never really comes to respect Eddie. I am almost certain Vincent is based on some people that Scorsese knew. The problem here is that the script needed some retooling. The story doesn’t flow very well and I think Scorsese struggled to balance the human side with the sports side. Yes, Raging Bull is technically a boxing movie, but not in the way that Rocky is a boxing movie. With the Color of Money, pool actually plays a pivotal role and Scorsese was never able to really depict the world and the people in it. I never really bought into the central conflict of the story. I don’t see the connection between pool hustling and the tournament. Yeah, Vincent scammed some people at the end, but then what? He really gonna do it again next year? There was no real stakes here. I see Vincent back at that toy store by the end of the year and Eddie back to selling liquor.
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Post by Doomsday on Dec 7, 2023 21:34:05 GMT -5
Another year, another AFI Top 10 list. Why AFI? I dunno, they're high profile enough and I find plowing through their somewhat predictable list is good prep for awards season. It also encourages me to watch movies I probably would have been slow at getting around to (American Fiction, Spider-Man). This year I've already seen three on the list and will aim to take one of the others down every week or so. Anyone who cares to join me is welcome to.
AMERICAN FICTION
BARBIE THE HOLDOVERS
KILLERS OF THE FLOWER MOON
MAESTRO
MAY DECEMBER
OPPENHEIMER PAST LIVES
POOR THINGS
SPIDER-MAN: ACROSS THE SPIDER-VERSE
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Post by Neverending on Dec 8, 2023 1:20:39 GMT -5
It also encourages me to watch movies I probably would have been slow at getting around to (American Fiction, Spider-Man). #ConfirmedRacist
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Post by Doomsday on Dec 8, 2023 15:52:03 GMT -5
It also encourages me to watch movies I probably would have been slow at getting around to (American Fiction, Spider-Man). #ConfirmedRacist I laughed out loud.
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Post by Doomsday on Dec 8, 2023 16:16:03 GMT -5
Brief recap of what I've watched: Killers of the Flower Moon comingsoon.boards.net/thread/4293/killers-flower-moon-review-thread?page=1Oppenheimer Definitely one of my favorite Nolan movies. I give it a C-. I kid, but seriously when you get a movie where you already clearly know the outcome and you're still able to make it suspenseful, that's a pretty big accomplishment. It's a biopic while not falling into the usual trappings that would make it a standard biopic. Robert Downey Jr. I think is a pretty clear frontrunner for Best Supporting Actor, Cillian Murphy is high on the Best Actor list too. Past Lives I just watched this two days ago and it may be my favorite movie of the year (so far). It's a sweet, enjoyable movie where you're rooting for these people throughout even though you know it's a relationship that wasn't meant to be. Maybe it's easier for people who have loved and lost to relate to stories like this and can be more drawn to them but there were a few times where the sting of what's happening hit me pretty hard. One of the last shots where the characters are staring at each other while waiting for the car to take him away, the tension was so crisp and vivid and it's been a long time since a movie got me invested like that. Even the last line before they go their separate ways cemented how much you're invested in these people. For me it's going to take a lot for another movie to beat it this year.
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Post by Doomsday on Dec 10, 2023 10:17:33 GMT -5
May December
When I jumped onto Netflix to turn this on I had no idea what it was about. You could have given me a million years to guess and I would have never, ever come close. It's been a very long time since I've thought of Mary Kay Letourneau and I never thought I would see a Natalie Portman/Julianne Moore movie that's more or less based on her story. It's not a straightforward biopic which would have been quite uncomfortable to say the least. Natalie Portman is Elizabeth, a TV actress who is shadowing Moore's Gracie for a few days to prepare for a role in an independent movie. Gracie is a woman in her fifties living with her mid-thirties husband Joe (Charles Melton) and their children who are about to graduate from high school. Gracie and Joe had an affair when Joe was in the seventh grade and Gracie subsequently got divorced and went to prison. After her release Gracie and Joe got married, had children and started their happily ever after. After Elizabeth arrives and starts cracking open events that have seemingly long since passed and been put behind everyone, questions start to arise as older, more mature minds start seeing how lives have been affected and if it's too late to change anything.
There's a lot that lands and a lot that doesn't. I think the thing that really keeps this movie afloat is the acting. Having two enormously talented actresses portray people who are living in a bubble of perpetual scandal and discomfort could have easily gone off the rails. Another filmmaker might have inserted some predictable drama and conflict in order to present a more predictable conclusion. There's a level of restraint that does make this movie feel unique. Charles Melton's performance as Joe is also very understated in a way that makes his bottled up tension and despondent demeanor feel genuine and is a good contrast to Gracie's naiveté and passive aggressiveness. They serve as a collection of characters that don't really work together which makes the tension all the more palpable. While the movie has the advantage of these provocative characters though it never feels like it goes anywhere or gets off the ground. It slowly builds as we learn about Gracie's and Joe's relationship through a series of interviews and naturally we expect it to come to a head that never really happens. I understand the subdued and restrained nature of the film but it's almost too subdued and restrained as the characters are basically in the same place where we started at the beginning of the film. The biggest arc might have been with Joe but even he is more or less resigned to his position despite the thoughts and feelings that Elizabeth's presence have prompted. And although this isn't normally a criticism that I level at movies, I have to ask what the decision making was behind the music. It's very out of place, very overly dramatic, I couldn't help but guess that its campiness was deliberate but is this movie really that kind of a comedy? Because this music would lend itself to something that would almost be in a parody crime movie. It comes in like a sledgehammer trying to evoke some forced kind of emotion and it doesn't work at all. And I've seen this movie marketed as a 'dark comedy' but I must have a different understanding of what a dark comedy is. May December is an interesting movie to say the least and it has some going for it but at the end of the day it doesn't feel like a ride that really delivered. It could have taken some interesting turns given its incredibly dodgy subject matter and while I wouldn't necessarily say it 'played it safe' (because how can you really play it safe making a movie about a convicted sex offender and her husband) it's not a story that really took me into interesting places. I'm pretty sure that was by design but if anything it just leaves me scratching my head even more.
B so says Doomsday
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Post by Neverending on Dec 10, 2023 16:53:13 GMT -5
It's not a straightforward biopic which would have been quite uncomfortable to say the least. You didn’t watch the 2000 biopic with Penelope Ann Miller?
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Post by Doomsday on Dec 12, 2023 20:19:57 GMT -5
Maestro
I don't really like using the term 'Oscar bait' when it comes to the slew of movies that usually come out around awards season. Although they often feel like they're following a particular formula I don't really like to write them off and denigrate all films that seem to fit into that mold. Sure the structure seems familiar, usually a biopic featuring a named star in an often wildly flamboyant performance in a script that's been done before in other biopics also featuring named stars in wildly flamboyant performances, but I always scratch my head when I see people who write them off. I think Bradley Cooper's Maestro is going to be the movie that will have that term slung at it this awards season as it seems to check those boxes. While a short descriptive would be 'a movie about Leonard Bernstein' that would also be an unfair synopsis.
Maestro doesn't quite center on American composer/conductor Leonard Bernstein. Instead we're thrust into the relationship with his wife Felicia (Carey Mulligan) as his career and celebrity skyrocket and his affairs become more apparent. Personally I'm only vaguely familiar with Bernstein, I certainly wouldn't call myself an expert on the guy's background or works but I'm familiar with his status. The story of his career very much takes the backseat here and while Bernstein's music provides the soundtrack there are actually very few scenes of him conducting music. I understand that the music per se isn't meant to be given the limelight but if I were to know nothing of Leonard Bernstein, which I'm sure many audience members south of forty probably aren't, then I think maybe adding a little more would have at least helped emphasize the scope of his celebrity. Bernstein's and Felicia's story though does offer a lot to digest. Mulligan is sure to get an Oscar nomination for her performance as a loyal, supportive wife who internally struggles with the prospect of being married to a man who can't help but give in to sharing his life with his passion and peers. Bernstein likewise leans heavily on her without even realizing it and as they separate towards the end his life begins to unravel. In a way Maestro made me think that this might have been the movie that Napoleon tried to be and failed. Both movies feature scenes of the main character being reminded by their wives that 'they need them.' The difference is that Maestro does a pretty good job of showcasing the highs and lows, separations and reunitings with Leonard and Felicia while Napoleon is a big mess.
It's also hard not to compare this to last year's composer-centric film Tar. While Maestro focuses on an actual person it isn't afforded the same creative liberties that a movie like Tar is given considering Lydia Tar is a fictional character. Still, it's difficult not to compare the two and Tar offered a more clear, dramatic version of a character who reaches the highest heights before hitting rock bottom. Maestro tries to scratch the surface of this and offers a scene where Bernstein is doing lines of cocaine. I guess that's how you know he's spiraling out of control. The purpose of this was to clearly add emphasis to Leonard's and Felicia's relationship but it almost feels like there's too much emphasis on certain things. When it does succeed though it does hit home especially in the third act. There's also something to be said for Cooper's slow, patient directing. There are many long takes with slow and slight camera moves, if any, and while that can sometimes feel pretentious they add to the effect here, especially during the one main performance in the second act. While it's not a movie that will run the awards table nor is it one that we'll be talking about down the road and while I don't think this is going to launch Bradley Cooper's name into the upper echelon of film directors, Maestro is a serviceable movie that might be considered 'Oscar bait' by some but I think brings enough to the table to make it stand on its own.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 12, 2023 21:05:38 GMT -5
Did you pay to watch this or was it a screener?
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Post by PhantomKnight on Dec 12, 2023 22:08:15 GMT -5
All I know is that trailer screamed Oscar bait.
I'll still watch it, though.
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Post by Dracula on Dec 12, 2023 22:29:43 GMT -5
It's definitely not Oscar bait. Cooper is very plainly a legit Leonard Bernstein nerd and cares very deeply and sincerely about bringing his life to the screen, possibly to the movie's detriment.
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Post by Doomsday on Dec 12, 2023 23:30:19 GMT -5
Did you pay to watch this or was it a screener? Screener.
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