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Post by PhantomKnight on Dec 10, 2022 14:19:47 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm not typically a Baz Luhrmann fan either, but Elvis really worked for me. And I'll go out on a limb and say so did Tom Hanks' performance.
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Post by Dracula on Dec 10, 2022 14:50:20 GMT -5
I thought Elvis was kind of wack. IDK, maybe it's because I'm generally less opposed to "normal" biopics than a lot of people so the very idea of making one that fucks with the formula even a little didn't strike me as quite the necessary antidote that some people did. And that Tom Hanks performance was nails-on-a-chalkboard for me. As recent biopics go I thought Rocket Man had a lot more going for it and even that was still only decent, certainly not top ten material.
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Post by Doomsday on Dec 11, 2022 14:08:46 GMT -5
The FabelmansMy thoughts here.Everything Everywhere All At OnceWhile I wasn't as crazy about this movie as other people have been, it really does come across as the type of film that people want to see more, namely an original and equally well-crafted concept. Having never seen Swiss Army Man this was my first foray into 'The Daniels' and aside from how entertaining the movie is it was very fun watching Ke Huy Quan back on screen. In fact the entire movie is excellently cast with everyone in the principle cast matching everyone else. It probably helps that they're experienced actors all being asked to play roles of varying ranges and emotions. Normally when I see people really praising a movie my first instinct is to say 'take it easy, it wasn't that good' but while enjoyment doesn't match those who are the mega-fans I can agree that I would definitely like to see more movies like this.
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Post by Doomsday on Dec 16, 2022 2:14:36 GMT -5
Top Gun: Maverick There isn't much I can or desire to contribute to a Top Gun: Maverick discussion outside what has already been said in the past 7 months. I think the question that a lot of people are asking is 'what is the formula for success here?' It can't just be Tom Cruise plus franchise equals massive blockbuster. Top Gun: Maverick was bigger than just your standard 2020s hit that's knocked out of the top spot in three weeks. I saw TG:M at the end of August, nearly 3 months after it came out. I thought I would be hurting to find a showtime within 30 minutes of me. Instead, every theater around me still had several screenings. Not only that, when I finally went on that day at the end of August there were still many people in the theater. Legs, man, legs. I don't think any Marvel movie has done anything close to that, not even Endgame, at least not to my knowledge. But I think it succeeds because it's pure fan service along with not taking sides anywhere. It doesn't try to serve some social or political message, it doesn't even say who the bad guys are. It's there to entertain and I think that's what a lot of people are looking for these days. Not mindless Michael Bay bells and whistles but some digestible, engaging and entertaining escapism. The simplicity of Maverick is the key and it would serve a lot of studio heads to remember that when rebooting the next big thing.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 16, 2022 3:48:02 GMT -5
I think the question that a lot of people are asking is 'what is the formula for success here?' It can't just be Tom Cruise plus franchise equals massive blockbuster. From my response to Dracula’s criticism: The original Top Gun is very much an adrenaline fueled Reagan era guy movie. Tom Cruise’s character represents everything wrong with American patriotism. But in Top Gun: Maverick, we get a movie that falls in line with Obama era drone policies. Here, we get a Tom Cruise character that is a lot more introspective and will do whatever he can to protect the lives of his soldiers. Meanwhile, Don Draper is more than happy to send them on a suicide mission. “They know what they signed up for.” So yes, Top Gun is propaganda. But it is propaganda from both sides.
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Post by Doomsday on Dec 21, 2022 11:24:46 GMT -5
The first on the list that I hadn't seen previously
Nope
I tried watching Nope while doing my best to keep my opinions of Jordan Peele in check. Not that I have any extreme opinions of the guy, I just get a little put off when people take something that's good and go way overboard with it. People comparing him to Alfred Hitchcock after making Get Out was eerily reminiscent of people proclaiming M. Night Shyamalan to be the next Spielberg because of one movie and look out that turned out. And although Get Out was a good if somewhat slightly overhyped movie, Us was given a big release and earned a lot of praise despite the fact that the entire movie completely falls apart the second you start pulling the thread. Nope turned out to be a little more grounded than Us without asking audiences to make head-scratching leaps in logic and also highlighted Peele's natural ability behind a camera. While I can't say it's a great film and definitely has some questionable creative decisions it's still another showcase for a filmmaker who takes his craft seriously.
Nope opens on a television set in the 1990s that's later revealed to be a taping of a show featuring Gordy, a chimpanzee that goes on a rampage seriously injuring several people on set. We then come to OJ Heywood and his sister Emerald on the set of a commercial with one of the horses from their Hollywood ranch. When one of the VFX wranglers (those bastards) spooks the horse with a chrome ball, they're removed from the set. OJ and his sister help manage the ranch they inherited from their father who was mysteriously killed when a coin fell from the sky and hit him in the head, presumably dropped from a plane. We come to find out that it's actually an alien hiding in the clouds. Interestingly enough, it's not a flying saucer in the traditional sense but the flying object itself is its own living organism that feeds on people. OJ and Emerald enlist the help of a few other true believers to get the alien on camera and also stop it before 'Jean Jacket' finally finishes them off.
Like I said, I thought Nope was a little more grounded in its narrative and although it doesn't quite live up to its potential in the third act which gets quite silly, I still admire the pacing and tension that Peele builds quite naturally. It often feels though that Peele can get a little ahead of himself at times and could maybe use an editor to make trims or on the other hand expand on ideas that feel somewhat half baked. The Gordy backstory for example doesn't feel like it's as relevant as it should be considering how much time is dedicated to it. I understand how it fits metaphorically but as I watched it it felt like it might contribute more than it eventually did. And Peele, God bless him, boxed himself into a corner by making a sci-fi/western hybrid that concludes with characters having to stop a carnivorous flying alien using horses, inflatable dancing car lot balloons and an old timey ghost town attraction. He did his best despite it turning out to be kind of absurd. Ultimately I enjoyed Nope more in how it highlights Peele's natural gifts as a visual storyteller more than I enjoyed the movie itself. It's apparent that he has novel and interesting ideas even while he sometimes gets bogged down in the tangents his stories veer into. One thing is for sure though, he's light years ahead of M. Night Shyamalan.
B+ so says Doomsday
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Post by PG Cooper on Dec 21, 2022 11:33:33 GMT -5
Us was given a big release and earned a lot of praise despite the fact that the entire movie completely falls apart the second you start pulling the thread. Had to unlike your comment for Us slander.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Dec 21, 2022 13:09:01 GMT -5
Us was given a big release and earned a lot of praise despite the fact that the entire movie completely falls apart the second you start pulling the thread. Had to unlike your comment for Us slander. It's not slander if there's truth in the statement.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Dec 21, 2022 13:36:45 GMT -5
Like I said, I thought Nope was a little more grounded in its narrative and although it doesn't quite live up to its potential in the third act which gets quite silly, I still admire the pacing and tension that Peele builds quite naturally. It often feels though that Peele can get a little ahead of himself at times and could maybe use an editor to make trims or on the other hand expand on ideas that feel somewhat half baked. The Gordy backstory for example doesn't feel like it's as relevant as it should be considering how much time is dedicated to it. I understand how it fits metaphorically but as I watched it it felt like it might contribute more than it eventually did. And Peele, God bless him, boxed himself into a corner by making a sci-fi/western hybrid that concludes with characters having to stop a carnivorous flying alien using horses, inflatable dancing car lot balloons and an old timey ghost town attraction. He did his best despite it turning out to be kind of absurd. Ultimately I enjoyed Nope more in how it highlights Peele's natural gifts as a visual storyteller more than I enjoyed the movie itself. It's apparent that he has novel and interesting ideas even while he sometimes gets bogged down in the tangents his stories veer into. One thing is for sure though, he's light years ahead of M. Night Shyamalan. I just watched Nope again on Monday, and you hit on a lot of my feelings here. It's a good movie to be sure, but also one that I feel like never fully taps into its true potential. And both times I've seen it, there's been this...kind of awkward feeling to it, in that it can't quite sustain a sense of suspense in the way Peele maybe wanted to. Between the Gordy flashback, whose payoff doesn't feel very impactful and the way the Third Act plays out, like you said (it DOES come off as more silly than tense, now that you point it out; I couldn't put my finger on what it was about that till now), not to mention the overlong runtime affecting the pace and tension somewhat...there MIGHT be a slight bit of hubris creeping into Peele's work, but not to a debilitating degree. I think Nope is a poster child for "good, not great."
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Post by PG Cooper on Dec 21, 2022 14:24:31 GMT -5
Had to unlike your comment for Us slander. It's not slander if there's truth in the statement. Applying realist logic to Us is like applying it to Mulholland Drive.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Dec 21, 2022 16:20:32 GMT -5
It's not slander if there's truth in the statement. Applying realist logic to Us is like applying it to Mulholland Drive. In that it could've helped some?
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Post by frankyt on Dec 21, 2022 16:42:35 GMT -5
Nope will easily swing into my top 5. I've enjoyed it even more upon a rewatch.
I still love us though. It's like Stephen king... You don't need to stick the landing to have a good time.
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Post by PG Cooper on Dec 21, 2022 16:45:24 GMT -5
Applying realist logic to Us is like applying it to Mulholland Drive. In that it could've helped some? I prefer the dream. Or I suppose nightmare is more appropriate in this context.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Dec 21, 2022 16:55:54 GMT -5
In that it could've helped some? I prefer the dream. Or I suppose nightmare is more appropriate in this context. I prefer Get Out's nightmare.
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Post by Doomsday on Dec 21, 2022 19:38:58 GMT -5
There are some scenes that make Mulholland Drive a preferred watch over Us. A couple very specific scenes.
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Post by PG Cooper on Dec 21, 2022 20:12:54 GMT -5
There are some scenes that make Mulholland Drive a preferred watch over Us. A couple very specific scenes. Horny old bugger.
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Post by Doomsday on Dec 21, 2022 22:49:21 GMT -5
There are some scenes that make Mulholland Drive a preferred watch over Us. A couple very specific scenes. Horny old bugger.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 22, 2022 5:06:10 GMT -5
There are some scenes that make Mulholland Drive a preferred watch over Us. A couple very specific scenes. Are we talking Mulholland Drive or Mulholland Falls?
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Post by Doomsday on Dec 23, 2022 17:18:17 GMT -5
Two of the movies on the list were about abuse so i decided to watch them one after the other. One is more subtle and the other hits you like a train. I'll leave it to you to decide which one is more effective.
Women Talking
This was the one movie that I knew nothing about before sitting down to watch it. No previews, no critical reviews, no write-ups in the trades, nothing. It's almost impossible to do these days but when I manage to go into a movie completely blind it lends an extra air of excitement to the entire experience regardless of what the movie itself is about. I think I was better served in having no expectations as the story itself is quite unique while touching on a lot of themes that have been at the center of many societal conversations.
Set in 2010 in a strict and isolated Christian community (think Mennonite), a barn becomes a meeting place for all the women, young and old, to decide what the future holds for them. For years the women had been drugged, raped and assaulted by the men. They were told the bruises and injuries were from 'Satan' or other demons, however when a girl spies a man running from her house some of the men are arrested. The rest of the men go to the big city to see to their release and while they're gone the women meet to make a choice; stay, fight and probably stay in a state of sexual servitude and terror, or they band together and leave to face an unfamiliar world. It almost feels like a weird hybrid between 12 Angry Men and Aristophanes' Lysistrata, the comedy about Greek women refusing sex with Athenian and Spartan men until they put an end to the Peloponnesian War. Women Talking is not a comedy in any sense but it is a story about women taking power from those who hold it over them. It's hard to say that it ends with a nice bow on it but it's an interesting fiction where women hold men accountable in the best way they know how.
Women Talking works best when being a little more nuanced and focused on its own story rather than trying to relate it back to us. Sometimes the dialogues feel like they're ripped out of today's headlines which is when the movie is at its weakest, it even throws in a 'not all men!' for good measure in case you didn't get the point but when the characters become more focused on their direct circumstance and on the specific characters it really becomes engrossing. It's hard for a movie like this to stay overly subtle but it does manage to walk that line. There are many movies about the injustices that women have to endure and ones like Women Talking that highlight the systemic and almost gaslighting abuse that exist drive the point home better than ones that come at you head on such as the one I talk about below. It's a sensitive and tricky subject to comment on but Women Talking is one of the more successful movies to do so as of late.
A- so says Doomsday
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She Said
A lot of reviews have been comparing She Said, a film about the New York Times investigation into the sexual abuses of Harvey Weinstein, to Spotlight. It's a fair comparison in that it follows that same formula as we watch investigative reporters Megan Twohey (Carey Mulligan) and Jodi Cantor (Zoe Kazan) delve into the inner workings of Miramax and the cover ups of sexual assault that occured while Harvey was in charge. The movie largely rests on the two leads with Kazan delivering a pretty outstanding performance overall. What starts off as a glance in the direction of Hollywood sexual harassment after the Donald Trump and Bill O'Reilly scandals evolves into a full blown investigation into one of the most successful and powerful producers in Hollywood. We all know how it turned out and I think the story being so fresh is one of the reasons it's not being as well received as the filmmakers might have anticipated.
At this point it's tough for me not to mention how She Said turned out to be an incredible box office bomb which makes me wonder why. I think there are two reasons. One, the Harvery Weinstein scandal is still very fresh. He's frequently making headlines as his trials move forward, heck he was convicted of rape in Los Angeles less than a week ago. I think people might hesitate to drop cash on watching a story that's still unraveling even today. Second, there's a difference between the stories of Spotlight and She Said. Spotlight talked about breaking the scandal in child sexual abuse throughout the Catholic Church. The result of those investigations led to several people, but certainly not all or even most, being held to account. Priests and bishops throughout the world were arrested and jailed. Others who were responsible for covering up the abuse were defrocked. Still, a number were protected by the Vatican and even more were let off due to statutes of limitation or witnesses unwilling to speak out publicly. The ultimate impact though was a Catholic Church that watched millions of members, and their wallets, head for the door as the moral legitimacy of Christianity's oldest religion was irreparably damaged in the public eye. Many offenders never faced justice but it did bring to light an enormous cancer that existed in Catholicism as well as other organized religions. She Said is specifically about Harvey Weinstein and although there was the resulting #meToo movement the story itself revolves around one man, a man who for years was praised by a Hollywood machine that was very much aware that he was a predator. It wouldn't be out of line for some to ask 'Why do I want to watch a Hollywood movie about a rapist that many in Hollywood turned a blind eye to for the sake of their careers?' Of course there's some hypocrisy to this movie and in a time where the theatrical experience is becoming easier for more and more people to avoid it's not hard to understand why people would give this a pass. The people who should be watching this are the actors and filmmakers who heaped praise on the guy for years while almost certainly hearing whispers at the very least about his treatment of women. Maybe this movie is some way to make amends, some sort of penance? I don't know but I would understand if someone read the synopsis of this movie and had a laugh.
She Said is an effective film that doesn't break any mold, cover any new ground or take any controversial stance. Its biggest weakness is that it hits you over the head with a sledgehammer with its message and some of the scenes are almost laughable, like the scene where a guy aggressively comes onto Twohey in a bar. Men, such jerks! Perhaps the boldest move it makes is having people constantly talking on cell phones and when the person on the other end hangs up you hear the 'ch-chk' sound that you would always hear when the person would use a conventional corded phone and never, ever hear with a cell phone. Aside from that, it's a straight forward movie that fits in with similar films but doesn't do a whole lot to stand out. B so says Doomsday
AFI's Top 10 of 2022 Avatar: The Way of Water
Elvis Everything Everywhere All At Once The Fabelmans Nope She Said Tar
Top Gun: Maverick
The Woman King
Women Talking
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Post by Dracula on Dec 23, 2022 17:22:21 GMT -5
Two of the movies on the list were about abuse so i decided to watch them one after the other. Three. Don't forget about Tar!
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Post by Doomsday on Dec 23, 2022 17:25:16 GMT -5
Ah, well I should put that one next on the docket.
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Post by PG Cooper on Dec 24, 2022 13:37:55 GMT -5
Two of the movies on the list were about abuse so i decided to watch them one after the other. Three. Don't forget about Tar! The best one.
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Post by Doomsday on Dec 24, 2022 13:46:20 GMT -5
Three. Don't forget about Tar! The best one. This weekend is either for Tar or Babylon, it might be a game time decision.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Dec 24, 2022 19:25:32 GMT -5
This weekend is either for Tar or Babylon, it might be a game time decision. I've heard something that happens in the first five minutes of Babylon, and then something in the next five, that makes me kinda want to hurl.
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Post by Dracula on Dec 24, 2022 19:29:26 GMT -5
This weekend is either for Tar or Babylon, it might be a game time decision. I've heard something that happens in the first five minutes of Babylon, and then something in the next five, that makes me kinda want to hurl. Wait until you hear about what happens in the last half hour!
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