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Post by Neverending on Jan 21, 2021 18:46:39 GMT -5
Why would anyone waste their time doing a deep dive into that movie? And his entire argument was, “the cinematography is great. It tells the story.” Bitch, please. Miami Vice is one of the shittiest looking Hollywood movies ever.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jan 21, 2021 18:57:35 GMT -5
And his entire argument was, “the cinematography is great. It tells the story.” Bitch, please. Miami Vice is one of the shittiest looking Hollywood movies ever. Lol, right. It's not a Terence Malick movie. I hate when people try to make these like "how Michael Mann ruminates on the waves crashing along Miami Beach is foreshadowing the characters' own turmoil." No. No. NO!!!
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Post by Neverending on Jan 21, 2021 19:04:11 GMT -5
And his entire argument was, “the cinematography is great. It tells the story.” Bitch, please. Miami Vice is one of the shittiest looking Hollywood movies ever. Lol, right. It's not a Terence Malick movie. I hate when people try to make these like "how Michael Mann ruminates on the waves crashing along Miami Beach is foreshadowing the characters' own turmoil." No. No. NO!!! Your student films with Ryan Coogler look better than Miami Vice.
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Post by Doomsday on Jan 21, 2021 19:04:18 GMT -5
Miami Vice (2006)
Miami Vice is Michael Mann's film based on his television show from the 1980s. With this update gone are the flashy suits and signature 80s flare that Mann used to full effect in his projects of that time period. Now we're into the gritty digital era of filmmaking, one lacking any humor or emotion. If you want to see some cool shootouts and boats go really fast then this movie's for you. If you want something that might give you any sense of excitement, suspense or intrigue you might want to look elsewhere. Miami Vice stars Jamie Foxx as Ricardo Tubbs and Colin Farrell as Sonny Crockett. I had to look up the names to make sure because it was tough for me to remember just hours after finishing the movie. Mann has always walked that line of 'style over substance' and sometimes there's a great combination of both. Miami Vice is not it. It's totally devoid of any character development. It's sole focus is on these two cops who go undercover in order to infiltrate a drug ring. Sounds pretty simple right? Then why is the movie so convoluted? Throughout the movie it seemed to be almost trying to be as confusing as possible as if it made it more intelligent than it really is. At its core it's a movie where two cops go undercover until they eventually get betrayed by the guys they're trying to bring down. The movie is loaded with a ton of police jargon and terminology which usually adds to the effect of Mann's films however sometimes it can add to the confusion like it does here. It seems as if Mann wanted to make an 'adult' crime movie but someone convinced him that he can't have a clear-cut story or interesting characters, it has to play out like you know what's going on. One thing I've always admired about Mann movies for the most part is that they eschew any tired cinematic tropes and are as realistic as possible. Sometimes this is to the detriment of any character development especially with any female characters as I stated in earlier reviews. Miami Vice drops you right into the middle of things almost assuming that you know who these characters are. The reason it's so important however is because without anyone to care about on screen the tension is flat when it's finally presented. That's Miami Vice in a nutshell. There's a lot going on and there are even a few pretty cool action sequences but it doesn't mean anything when we know and care so little about anybody. Again I want to say to Michael Mann 'just because a character has sex with someone doesn't automatically equal chemistry.' What made Collateral and Heat so fresh and energetic weren't that they had cool shootouts, it's because they were cool characters who were in cool shootouts. It didn't take a whole ton of dialogue but we knew enough about Max that we were invested. Heat is all about characters and how their lives are connected. Miami Vice is textbook style over substance, something that could have been fun had it just followed some Filmmaking 101 basics and made people that we knew. I also have a personal gripe with Colin Farrell as Crockett. There was a time where I despised him more than just about anyone else making movies. My anger has tempered the past few years and I've seen him in some really good roles but here is one where they really should have cast something else. Jamie Foxx seems natural while you can tell Farrell is trying so, so hard. His scratchy, gruff voice is unnatural and his constant shouting of dialogue made me wonder if he even knew what the scenes were about some of the time. It's maybe the first time that I would say someone in a Michael Mann movie was really miscast. Miami Vice is another misfire for Michael Mann. It's strange after watching his movies again that although I still consider him one of my favorite filmmakers (I plan to do this with another filmmaker after finishing Blackhat) it's becoming more obvious that he has as many mediocre films as he does great and exciting ones. The guy is in his mid-seventies and makes a movie roughly once every five years or so. Lets hope that he has one or two more good ones in him before he hangs it up. I mean look at what George Miller just did at his age. Miami Vice may have been the worst movie of 2006. Miami Vice is bad, but The Keep is by far Mann's worst movie. That was a painful one to get through. Worse than Blackhat? Get the fuck out. Blackhat is the only movie by him I haven't seen, but I would be shocked if that movie is worse than The Keep. The Keep made no sense, was boring, and totally laughable. I'm sure Blackhat is at least a competent movie, The Keep is a piece of shit. Someone had the balls to defend Miami Vice Damn you had to dig deep, well done!
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Post by PG Cooper on Jan 21, 2021 19:34:49 GMT -5
Why would anyone waste their time doing a deep dive into that movie? That movie has a passionate following. Blackhat too. I can't say I share that passion but it is there.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jan 21, 2021 19:36:12 GMT -5
That movie has a passionate following. Blackhat too. I can't say I share that passion but it is there. I don't really understand that. I've seen both and it would be difficult for me to provide even five solid details of what occurred between the two of them. Not only are they not good, but they're entirely forgettable. Especially Blackhat.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jan 21, 2021 19:44:25 GMT -5
That movie has a passionate following. Blackhat too. I can't say I share that passion but it is there. I don't really understand that. I've seen both and it would be difficult for me to provide even five solid details of what occurred between the two of them. Not only are they not good, but they're entirely forgettable. Especially Blackhat. There's basically two lines of thinking among fans. One is, quite simply, that the movies have good vibes and are fun to let wash over you. The second is that the films (and Blackhat in particular) are these brilliant post-modern critiques of surveillance societies and the digitization of material goods and the alienation of the modern world. Personally I think they're boring as fuck.
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Post by Dracula on Jan 21, 2021 19:47:54 GMT -5
That movie has a passionate following. Blackhat too. I can't say I share that passion but it is there. I don't really understand that. I've seen both and it would be difficult for me to provide even five solid details of what occurred between the two of them. Not only are they not good, but they're entirely forgettable. Especially Blackhat. Michael Mann has some weird die-hards who value formalist fundamentals over pretty much everything else.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jan 21, 2021 19:52:18 GMT -5
I don't really understand that. I've seen both and it would be difficult for me to provide even five solid details of what occurred between the two of them. Not only are they not good, but they're entirely forgettable. Especially Blackhat. Michael Mann has some weird die-hards who value formalist fundamentals over pretty much everything else. Looking at the Blackhat Letterboxd reviews make me feel like an insane man. I'll at least grant Miami Vice that opening on the Jay-Z/Linkin Park needledrop fucking rocks.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jan 21, 2021 20:14:46 GMT -5
There's basically two lines of thinking among fans. One is, quite simply, that the movies have good vibes and are fun to let wash over you. The second is that the films (and Blackhat in particular) are these brilliant post-modern critiques of surveillance societies and the digitization of material goods and the alienation of the modern world. Personally I think they're boring as fuck. I agree that's what Mann was going for thematically, but I in no way think he achieved it. In fact, wasn't that common criticism of Blackhat that it felt dated and out-of-touch from what today's cyber battles are actually like? I remember reading those review blurbs and then completely agreeing after watching Chris Hemsworth just clack away at the keyboard and, voila, he's in! And like you said, both movies are exceptionally dull.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jan 21, 2021 20:21:30 GMT -5
Michael Mann has some weird die-hards who value formalist fundamentals over pretty much everything else. I'm certainly guilty of that myself with certain directors, like Malick, but I'd argue that no matter how pretentious some of their work undoubtedly is that they're tapping into interesting ideas and exploring them through this imagery. Mann has made some awesome movies and I'm not looking to disparage his accomplished career whatsoever, but when I think of his work I don't think of him as the sort of filmmaker that these fans are attempting to contextualize him as. To go to bat for Miami Vice like I would for The Tree of Life just feels like these people are extremely overreaching.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jan 21, 2021 20:26:32 GMT -5
There's basically two lines of thinking among fans. One is, quite simply, that the movies have good vibes and are fun to let wash over you. The second is that the films (and Blackhat in particular) are these brilliant post-modern critiques of surveillance societies and the digitization of material goods and the alienation of the modern world. Personally I think they're boring as fuck. I agree that's what Mann was going for thematically, but I in no way think he achieved it. In fact, wasn't that common criticism of Blackhat that it felt dated and out-of-touch from what today's cyber battles are actually like? I remember reading those review blurbs and then completely agreeing after watching Chris Hemsworth just clack away at the keyboard and, voila, he's in! And like you said, both movies are exceptionally dull. Yeah but Hemsworth has Foucault and Derrida on his bookshelf in prison therefore the movie is secretly brilliant.
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Post by Doomsday on Jan 25, 2021 16:37:12 GMT -5
For the past few years I've been posting AFI's top 10 of the year and going down that list as a way for me to recap which movies made an impact throughout the year and also serves as an intro to what might be up for awards this season. So here it is, AFI's top 10 of 2020. I'll be posting my thoughts and scratching them off as I go through them.
AFI MOVIES OF THE YEAR
DA 5 BLOODS
JUDAS AND THE BLACK MESSIAH
MA RAINEY’S BLACK BOTTOM
MANK
MINARI
NOMADLAND
ONE NIGHT IN MIAMI…
SOUL
SOUND OF METAL
THE TRIAL OF THE CHICAGO 7
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Post by Dracula on Jan 25, 2021 16:54:03 GMT -5
As someone who's seen nine of the ten I can say... this year is underwhelming.
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Post by Doomsday on Jan 25, 2021 17:02:11 GMT -5
As someone who's seen nine of the ten I can say... this year is underwhelming. Yeah, of those I've seen they're mostly in the 'good not great' category. Which one haven't you seen? Minari?
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Post by Dracula on Jan 25, 2021 17:26:53 GMT -5
As someone who's seen nine of the ten I can say... this year is underwhelming. Yeah, of those I've seen they're mostly in the 'good not great' category. Which one haven't you seen? Minari? Judas and the Black Messiah
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Post by Neverending on Jan 25, 2021 19:21:46 GMT -5
As someone who's seen nine of the ten I can say... this year is underwhelming. That’s what happens when nothing gets released.
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Post by thebtskink on Jan 25, 2021 20:14:57 GMT -5
Drac's top 10 thread is gonna be a bit nuts this year.
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Post by Neverending on Jan 25, 2021 20:33:04 GMT -5
Drac's top 10 thread is gonna be a bit nuts this year. Sonic in the Top 10
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Post by PG Cooper on Jan 25, 2021 20:40:55 GMT -5
Drac's top 10 thread is gonna be a bit nuts this year. I was able to make a list where I at least liked all the movies.
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Post by Neverending on Jan 25, 2021 20:42:09 GMT -5
Drac's top 10 thread is gonna be a bit nuts this year. I was able to make a list where I at least liked all the movies. You like Sonic? Shocker!
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Post by PG Cooper on Jan 25, 2021 20:48:36 GMT -5
I was able to make a list where I at least liked all the movies. You like Sonic? Shocker! I don't even like the games.
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Post by Neverending on Jan 25, 2021 20:52:10 GMT -5
I don't even like the games.
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Post by Doomsday on Jan 27, 2021 16:55:16 GMT -5
Quick recap of those I've already seen:
Da 5 Bloods 'The main problem with this movie is that Spike Lee won't get out of his own way and wants to cram so much history, pride, social commentary and angst into his action/war movie. As some reviews have already said, there's a good movie in here somewhere but there are too many things that Lee is trying to say. Passing comments about reparations or 'build the wall' and whatnot don't feel like they should be relegated to passing comments but because they're used as such they feel like they're just slugged in there and they stick out like a sore thumb especially in a movie about finding gold in Vietnam. There are better ways this movie could have been done, heck it could have been done better while still making all the points Spike wants to make but because he's such a self-indulgent filmmaker a lot of the time he just falls over himself. This isn't a completely bad movie but it reaffirms any of the criticisms I've had of Spike Lee as a storyteller.'
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Soul 'I think what made me connect with Soul is what it focuses on as its theme. To say it's 'live in the moment' would be pretty simplistic, it's more about finding meaning in your life which also seems broad but I think is fitting especially in this day and age. We have more technology, more information, more opportunities and more connection to anyone and anything yet more and more people feel depressed, disconnected and isolated. Covid has a lot to do with it presently but that was something that people felt long before this pandemic reared its head. My personal opinion, as someone based in Los Angeles where endless numbers of people try and fail to reach their goals, is that people often don't have a sense of meaning. They might have career goals or things they want to do but when it comes to what they want out of life, that question is something that a lot of people don't really consider. I think there's a difference there and that lack of meaning is that missing piece that makes people feel that sense of emptiness. That's something that Soul tries to explore and I think is something a lot of viewers will be able to relate to.'
A- so says Doomsday
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