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IanTheCool 03-07-2009 05:20 PM
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Ian's Top Ten Thread
Alright, here's a thread I'm going to try out. This is what its about: I'm going to go through a number of top ten lists I've complied on a number of various things. I really like countdown lists for some reason, as do many other people, so I think it could be fun. I have a number of lists planned.
I'm going to reveal the countdowns one at a time and hopefully get some discussion going, whether you agree with me or not whether the picks should be included in the list. After the ten are revealed feel free to discuss how the list should be changed.
I have tried to make these lists as objective as possible. I have tried not to let my own personal tastes, preferences and biases influence the lists. That's not an easy thing to do, however, but I have tried. So remember that when you critique these lists that they should be as free from subjectivity as possible.
IanTheCool 03-07-2009 05:24 PM
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The Ten Most Influential Films
10. Toy Story (1995)
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Toy Story was the first full-length CG animated feature film which went on to be a huge success. It spawned the recent Pixar empire (and arguably the death of Disney) and ushered in a whole new era of animated films, giving us such modern classics as Shrek, Finding Nemo, and WallE.
CG animation will only grow larger as the years go on, and Toy Story may only grow in influence as the Snow White of CG animation.
JBond 03-07-2009 05:35 PM
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Toy Story's an important one. Though I don't know if there's only 9 that are more influential in all of moviedom...
Ramplate 03-07-2009 05:48 PM
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Disney didn't die - it ate Pixar lol
I think at the time Don Bluth leaving Disney made them sweat more
JBond 03-07-2009 06:08 PM
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And I'm sure you didn't mean that Shrek was Pixar...right? Just the technology?
IanTheCool 03-07-2009 06:24 PM
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And I'm sure you didn't mean that Shrek was Pixar...right? Just the technology?
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Correct.
ZombieMan 03-07-2009 07:03 PM
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I am biting my lip but I have to say it anyhow...
Rocky to me is a very inspirational film.
IanTheCool 03-07-2009 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ZombieMan (Post 2564945)
I am biting my lip but I have to say it anyhow...
Rocky to me is a very inspirational film.
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This is more of a list aimed at influence towards the realm and history of filmmaking, not so much for inspiration of individuals.
IanTheCool 03-07-2009 07:42 PM
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9. 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
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2001 is a film that was ahead of its time. Hell, its still ahead of the present time. There is no other movie like it. It is a landmark film for both the science fiction genre and for the industry, yet it is much more than that as well.
JBond 03-07-2009 08:29 PM
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If it's still ahead of its time, how has it been influential?
Landmark, sure, but not influential. Nobody's made a movie like this since. Perhaps it gave us one of the first scientific approaches to sci-fi with zero sound in space and believeable predictions about man in space in general.
Dracula 03-07-2009 08:31 PM
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2001 is one of those movies that acted as a game changer for its genre, not unlike Spartacus, The Exorcist, and The Dark Knight.
JBond 03-07-2009 08:32 PM
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I could believe that if I could name 3 "pure" sci-fi films since.
Dracula 03-07-2009 08:37 PM
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I could believe that if I could name 3 "pure" sci-fi films since.
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Hmmm...
Not entirely sure what qualifies as "pure." Maybe Solaris, Blade Runner, Dark City, Battlestar Galactica. I meant more that 2001 was a movie that took its genre seriously at long last and brought it out of the B-movie ghetto.
Bamfosaurus14 03-07-2009 09:57 PM
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How can you say 2001 wasn't influential
2001 the Space Odyssey brought the science fiction movie miles away from the B-movie alien and horror flicks of the 1950's and 60's, and pushed the genre leaps and bounds ahead.
JBond 03-07-2009 10:12 PM
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I guess I just never saw it that way. But perhaps I overreacted.
I've never been that pleased with the sci-fi movie genre as a whole. No one uses it to its full potential.
Bamfosaurus14 03-07-2009 10:19 PM
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Well i do agree with that statement, Sci-Fi is totally underdeveloped as a genre, probably why it is looked down upon by so many people
Dracula 03-07-2009 10:21 PM
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It was also one of the first movies to really get serious with special effects, to make things look "real" instead of "wink wink, just go with it, real"
JBond 03-07-2009 10:23 PM
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Heh, that's a good way of putting it. OK, you're convincing me. If sci-fi was a larger genre, it would be fair on a top 10 of all movies.
It probably led to the Alien series, as well.
Bamfosaurus14 03-07-2009 10:25 PM
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JBond 03-07-2009 10:36 PM
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Probably...I dunno, I think it depends on how you think of "influence." I didn't agree with it on the list because I don't see this movie in other movies. However, I do agree that without it, there would be many movies we don't have. Most modern sci-fi movies. But none of them are really anything like it.
Dracula 03-07-2009 10:39 PM
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But none of them are really anything like it.
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Solaris, Sunshine, Alien...
JBond 03-07-2009 10:45 PM
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Solaris is one movie and not that huge, Sunshine is pretty recent. But sure, there are some. But I'm done arguing this.
IanTheCool 03-08-2009 01:00 AM
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Yeah, fair arguments. But like Dracula said, it really made special effects serious business.
IanTheCool 03-08-2009 01:11 AM
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8. King Kong (1933)
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Ask almost any film-maker out there what movies made them want to make movies themselves, and King Kong may possibly be on each list. This film was a true landmark for the adventure that movies could provide. It also took special effects to a new level and legitimized the monster movie. This film turns generations of kids into movie lovers and for that it take s a spot on this list.
JBond 03-08-2009 01:46 AM
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Ahh, good choice. A landmark in special effects as well as stop-motion. The movie's over 70 years old and it wasn't a one-dimensional monster movie and it's still exciting today.
ZombieMan 03-08-2009 09:11 AM
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This is more of a list aimed at influence towards the realm and history of filmmaking, not so much for inspiration of individuals.
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Ahhhhh, gotcha.
IanTheCool 03-08-2009 11:08 AM
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Ahhhhh, gotcha.
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Inspiring movies could be an interesting list though. However, very personal, so it could be quite hard to do.
IanTheCool 03-08-2009 11:49 AM
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7. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1938)
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Hollywood's first animated feature film. Snow White made animation popular and kicked off an entirely new medium for stories to be told at the movies. It also set up Disney's dominance in the animation business for decades, allowing it to be one of thee biggest empires of modern time.
Big-Lead5 03-08-2009 12:10 PM
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Classic for sure i love all those old Disney movies .Bambi,Peter Pan,Dumbo
IanTheCool 03-08-2009 04:24 PM
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6. The Wizard of Oz (1939)
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Not many movies can claim to have captured the imagination of as many people as The Wizard of Oz. The true magic of film-making was seen on a level it had never been experienced before this movie came out. This is a landmark family film which changed what people believed movies could do.
On a more technical note, this was also the first movie shown on network television. That's not why it has this position on the list, but its worth noting regardless.
Dogbert0228 03-08-2009 05:16 PM
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The plot structure and pacing of Oz always felt perfect to me from a storytelling and film making perspective. The set-up in Kansas, initial conflict with boring home/mean neighbor, conflict with storm, introduction to a new place, conflict with witch, and then the journey kicks off, with the three main encounters, all the while we the audience see the witch plotting, then the final encounters at the castle and Emerald City, with the "arrival" back home, and the unanswered question about the adventure/dream.
I feel like this film allowed for an epic like LotR to be able to translate to the screen, because for all its complexity, LotR had an Oz-like simplicity at its heart and the basic narrative was always kept intact.
But what the hell do I know?
IanTheCool 03-08-2009 05:28 PM
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IanTheCool 03-09-2009 12:11 AM
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5. Star Wars (1977)
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When that Star Destroyer came roaring down from the top of the screen and over the head of the audience, the face of cinema was changed forever. Star Wars was a huge turning point for the movie industry, and not only for its revolutionary effects, sound and musical score and the fact that it created possibly the biggest movie franchise to date with legions of fans. Star Wars changed the direction of the 'dark' 60's and 70's realist films and brought a new wave of fun and adventure to the theater.
Bamfosaurus14 03-09-2009 03:24 PM
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I agree, Star Wars was a very importnat movie, but number five on the list?
I'm not so sure.
IanTheCool 03-09-2009 05:45 PM
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4. The Jazz Singer (1927)
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There has been no bigger turning point in film history than the introduction of the 'talkie'. When sound was introduced, it completely changed the nature of movies.
From what I hear, the Jazz Singer was a mediocre movie and actually only had a line or two of dialogue, but none the less it was the first film with sound, giving it very high significance historically.
IanTheCool 03-09-2009 05:46 PM
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You don't think it should be that high Bamf?
JBond 03-09-2009 05:51 PM
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halo7 03-09-2009 05:52 PM
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Is that guy black-face?
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No, that is Chewie.
JBond 03-09-2009 06:02 PM
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Dracula 03-09-2009 07:22 PM
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From what I hear, the Jazz Singer was a mediocre movie and actually only had a line or two of dialogue, but none the less it was the first film with sound, giving it very high significance historically.
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It had a handfull of sound musical sequences and about two lines of non-lyrical speaking between a pair of songs. The rest is silent, and not very good.
And yeah, the guy is black-face.
Ramplate 03-10-2009 12:19 AM
________________________________________"the guy" is Al Jolson
IanTheCool 03-10-2009 11:15 AM
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3. The Battleship Potemkin (1925)
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Sergei Eisenstein's Soviet celebration film has made some significant contributions to film-making. First of all, it was revolutionary in terms of editing techniques. Potemkin showed how short, quick clips could be put together in the right way so as to tell a fluent story. Editing is one of the biggest components of movie-making and Potemkin is the film which really showed the power in it.
Potemkin also showed the political influence that film can have through promoting the values of the film-makers. In this case it was the Soviet revolution in Russia, starting off an important time period of film propaganda.
Dracula 03-10-2009 02:52 PM
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3. The Battleship Potemkin (1925)
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Sergei Eisenstein's Soviet celebration film has made some significant contributions to film-making. First of all, it was revolutionary in terms of editing techniques. Potemkin showed how short, quick clips could be put together in the right way so as to tell a fluent story. Editing is one of the biggest components of movie-making and Potemkin is the film which really showed the power in it.
Potemkin also showed the political influence that film can have through promoting the values of the film-makers. In this case it was the Soviet revolution in Russia, starting off an important time period of film propaganda.
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The first one on here that I agree with 100%
IanTheCool 03-10-2009 07:26 PM
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2. The Birth of a Nation (1915)
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The first epic full-length features which was really the granddaddy of the movie industry. Yes, its racist as all else, but it is what it is, and it doesn't change the fact that it is one of the most important movies made, simply because it really set up what movies were to become.
JBond 03-10-2009 08:27 PM
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I knew this would be your #2 or #1. Again, I feel like this is more of a milestone list instead of influence. Like The Jazz Singer. No one looks to that movie when they're about to put dialogue into a movie, that movie just happened to do it first.
Is Citizen Kane next?
IanTheCool 03-10-2009 08:29 PM
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I knew this would be your #2 or #1. Again, I feel like this is more of a milestone list instead of influence. Like The Jazz Singer. No one looks to that movie when they're about to put dialogue into a movie, that movie just happened to do it first.
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That's a good point. I guess milestones were just a part of my thinking when I made this.
Dracula 03-10-2009 08:32 PM
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FYI, I'm respectfully making an alternate list that I'm going to post when this one is done.
IanTheCool 03-10-2009 08:43 PM
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FYI, I'm respectfully making an alternate list that I'm going to post when this one is done.
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Yeah, rock on. That's what I was hoping for.
JBond 03-10-2009 08:52 PM
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I won't make a list, I'd just like to say that my sci-fi representative would have been "The Day the Earth Stood Still", which in my opinion, did a lot more for the sci-fi genre than "2001."
Bamfosaurus14 03-11-2009 09:40 PM
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JBond 03-11-2009 09:42 PM
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Ser Ty Of Ross 03-11-2009 10:58 PM
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Three Amigos
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Are you sure... I thought it was Battleship Earth or Xanadu
Deexan 03-11-2009 11:01 PM
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Dogbert0228 03-11-2009 11:25 PM
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The Adventures of Pluto Nash. Norbit. Nutty Professor 2. Dr. Dolittle 2.
Speaking of Xanadu I just taught the poem "Kubla Khan" to my seniors the other day, and found out that there is massive new mall being built in New Jersey called Xanadu.
IanTheCool 03-12-2009 12:15 AM
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1. Citizen Kane (1941)
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Often considered by many as the best film of all time, Citizen Kane showed what movie making could be at the height of its art form. Whether you are looking at the technical aspect of cinematography and art direction, or whether you look more at the storytelling, Citizen Kane has set a standard which many, many films aspire to reach to this very day.
Dracula 03-12-2009 06:11 PM
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My List:
10. Jaws (1975)
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Steven Spielberg’s excellent thriller Jaws is a wonderful piece of cinema, but it doesn’t put a lot onscreen that wasn’t there before. The real innovation here is in the way the movie was marketed. Earlier in the decade box office records had been broken by The Godfather and The Exorcist, but the studios finally figured out the equation for maximum returns with Jaws, and so was ushered in the era of the summer blockbuster. In doing so the studios finally figured out how they were going to turn from an industrial system into a corporate system. Many (including myself) are less than pleased with this result, but it is important nonetheless.
9. Citizen Kane (1941)
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Called the greatest film ever made, and it lives up to the hype. This film’s influence isn’t as easy to explain as some. First of all, the film used a process called deep focus which allows the images to be in focus in both the foreground and background. More importantly this was one of the first movies to have a complicated and massively non-linear storyline complete with a big twist ending. It’s been said that you have to know the everything that came before it in order to understand just how innovative Citizen Kane was, just look at the films that were made in the thirties and you can see.
8. Bonnie and Clyde (1967)
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For decades Hollywood films were at the mercy of the Film Production Code prevented any kind of explicit sex, violence, and language from gracing the cinema screen. Not only that, but the code forced filmmakers into certain story constraints, particularly the rule that all criminals must seek retribution and be punished for their actions. A few movies in the late sixties like Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolfe challenged the code, but it was Arthur Penn’s Bonnie and Clyde which obliterated it with graphic violence and sexual themes. That alone would earn the movie a place on the list, but the film’s rebellious spirit is what really secured its legacy, its use of New Wave techniques in a Hollywood film helped usher in the New Hollywood golden age.
7. Battleship Potemkin (1925)
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Editing, Editing, Editing. That’s what’s important about the work of Sergei Eisenstein. Before this film editing was simply functional, but Eisenstein turned it into an art form unto itself here. Here Eisenstein invented the montage style of editing, and that’s a much grander thing than the mere creation of those sports training montages that the word conjures up today. Any form of rapid editing is indebted to this film, from The Wild Bunch to the Bourne Ultimatum. What’s more every trailer you see is indebted to this, every advertisement, every music video is indebted. Hell, the entire career of Sylvester Stallone is indebted.
6. Rome- Open City (1945)
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Roberto Rossalini’s film is what ushered in a movement called Italian Neo-Realism. Some have said that all of cinema can be divided into two halves: Before Open City and After Open City. That’s a bit of an exaggeration, but there’s no denying the importance of Italian Neo-Realism in the development of cinema. Filmed on the streets of post-war Rome the film was meant as a message to the world about what had become of Italy during the war. This was the first film which used non-actors and documentary techniques to tell a gritty story. People do that all the time now, but this was the first time that a filmmaker deliberately chose to use less than perfect camera work, a tactic people are still doing all the time.
5. Stagecoach (1939)
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Stagecoach is important first for what it did for its genre, and second for what it did for cinema as a whole. Before Stagecoach, westerns were stupid as hell, they were filled with Dudly Do-Right type heroes who would sing a lot of songs. Here westerns went from being Roy Rodgers fodder to being John Wayne fodder and would make them a major genre for decades. This film made the western an A-movie genre, it had the same impact on westerns that The Dark Knight had on comic book movies. But the influence of this goes beyond this one genre, this is basically the beginning to the action movie as a genre, the definitive fun ride which other escapist films would aim to match. Akira Kurosawa was once asked if he was able to make such great compositions because he studied Asian art. His response was that the compositions had nothing to do with studying Asian art and everything to do with studying John Ford. But the influence goes even further, Orson Welles was once asked who his five greatest influences were and his answer was: John Ford, John Ford, John Ford, John Ford, and John Ford.
4. The 400 Blows (1959)
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I could have just as easily picked Godard’s Breathless for this, but I like The 400 Blows better, either way this is mainly here as a representative of the entire French New Wave. This new wave started with a number of film critics who grew tired of the stale rules of filmmaking at the time, to respond they started making movies that broke all the rules. These films would use techniques like tracking shots and jump cuts in brave ways that they hadn’t been used before. There was an iconoclastic energy to the films which would open up cinema to looser cinematic rules. They were a direct influence on the entire New Hollywood movement and their lasting influence can be seen in the works of directors like Quentin Tarentino (Pulp Fiction apes the new wave as openly as Kill Bill apes from Kung Fu cinema) and Wes Anderson.
3. M (1931)
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Fritz Lang’s M is a landmark firstly because it offered the first realistic serial killer in screen history. Peter Lorre’s portrayal of the film’s murderer was iconic, and the film’s focus on a child murderer opened the door for other unsavory subject matter. The film is also the first realistic police procedural and one of the first movies to look at a social issue on a large city-wide scale. The film’s visual style was a huge influence on later Noir styling, arguably it was the first entry of that whole genre. Finally it was also the first great sound film and the first movie to really perfect the process of sound filmmaking.
2. Un Chien Andalu (1929)
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In the mediums early days, film was seen as little more than an amusing sideshow enjoyed by the lower-class masses, but when respected surreal artists Salvador Dali and Luis Bunuel put together this fifteen minute bombshell the medium had the attention of the art world, and the hatred of everybody else. This was the first movie that aimed to antagonize and alienate its audience rather than amuse. The surrealists were like artistic terrorists who aimed to offend. With the film they were able to make an artistic statement that was just as profound and provocative as any of their paintings, thus proving that film just as viable a medium provoke and offend as any other. What this movie managed to do was turn film into serious business. It moved cinema out of the sideshow and into the art gallery.
1. Birth of a Nation (1915)
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I could have filled this list entirely with silent films, and this was the granddaddy of them all. There is no doubt that this is a very unsavory film, it is a vile, racist piece of work. But if you can separate the film’s unfortunate world view from its cinematic accomplishments, what you’re left with is the father of all cinema. This was made in 1915, think about that for a second, that was early in the Woodrow Wilson administration and the Ford Model-T was the most sophisticated mode of transportation. Every movie up to this point had been extremely short little curiosities, many without any plot to speak of. In that setting, this 190 minute epic was released, the first feature film. This was an attempt to recount the history of the civil war and reconstruction, something that no one would have dreamed before. It was not the first example of narrative cinema, but it was the first on this scale. It was also a triumph of film production values complete with full scale battle sequences and other historical reenactments. It was the highest budgeted movie of its time, but that didn’t matter because it was also the first nation-wide blockbuster and would remain the highest grossing film of all time until 1937. What’s more, the film’s horrible racial content was even seen as reprehensible at the time, leading to the first national controversy over a motion picture. The film even managed to be the first film screened for a sitting U.S. President (the aforementioned Woodrow Wilson). We may never know when writing or painting started, but we do know where filmmaking as we know it started, and it started with D.W. Griffith making this ****ed up yet amazing film almost one hundred years ago.
JBond 03-12-2009 06:57 PM
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IanTheCool 03-12-2009 07:02 PM
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Bonnie and Clyde is a good one. I almost put it in mine as well.
IanTheCool 03-17-2009 08:05 PM
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The Ten Most Important Battles
10. The Battle of Waterloo
The Seventh Coalition vs France, 1815
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Napoleon's return from exile came to an end at Waterloo, as did his empire and conquest of Europe. Waterloo actually brought peace to Europe for almost 50 years and it really set up the political climate f Europe which would define the 19th century. The alliances and powers which arose from the aftermath of Waterloo would build an interesting political climate lasting until the 20th century and resulting in the two World Wars.
JBond 03-17-2009 08:23 PM
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Uhhhh, I agree.
As long as the Battle of Endor is on there.
FranklinTard 03-17-2009 09:12 PM
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i've got 2 battles in my head that i would probably put on there. (and please no Thermopylae or however you spell it)
JBond 03-17-2009 09:27 PM
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I would imagine Normandy and Gettysburg will be high up. Perhaps Midway and Pearl Harbor. Also the one from the Revolutionary War where Mel Gibson won it.
Big-Lead5 03-17-2009 09:42 PM
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Midway would be good one it was first battle we won over Japan
JBond 03-17-2009 10:29 PM
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The Stalingrad battle, whatever it's called...battle of Stalingrad?
IanTheCool 03-18-2009 01:06 AM
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i've got 2 battles in my head that i would probably put on there. (and please no Thermopylae or however you spell it)
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Don't worry, no thermopolie ( i don't know how to spell it either)
IanTheCool 03-18-2009 09:51 AM
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9. The Battle of Gravelines
England and Netherlands vs. Spain, 1588
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When the British navy defeated the Spanish Armada, a shift in world power occurred. Spain, the world's greatest explorers and colonizers were diminished which Britain would grow to become the greatest naval force in the world for centuries. This would eventually result in the massive British Empire, the largest empire in the history of the world.
chewie 03-18-2009 10:56 AM
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Hopefully the Battle of Tours makes it on the list.
Deexan 03-18-2009 11:27 AM
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Knerys 03-18-2009 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by FranklinTard (Post 2569482)
i've got 2 battles in my head that i would probably put on there. (and please no Thermopylae or however you spell it)
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I don't care if Thermopylae is on it or not there but there better be some battle from the Greco-Persian wars on that list.
Knerys 03-18-2009 11:54 AM
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I would imagine Normandy and Gettysburg will be high up. Perhaps Midway and Pearl Harbor. Also the one from the Revolutionary War where Mel Gibson won it.
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Hmmmm, I would say Battle of the Bulge slightly over Normandy.
FranklinTard 03-18-2009 11:56 AM
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why though, even if the persians had won, they showed they weren't like other waring nations, they just made the people pay tribute, they didn't sack cities they wanted to just improve their kingdom by imperialism really.
would have left their religions alone, nothing really would have changed, so those battles to me, were not that important.
Knerys 03-18-2009 12:03 PM
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Greece is the birthplace of Western government. Who knows what would have developed if the Persian conquered Greece. Nearly all major civilizations at that time were empires, so democracy was a relatively new concept. Plus the Greeks use of terrain and resources to off set the fact that they had far less numbers than the Persian Army is also noteworthy. Maybe the idea psuedo-democracy would have come to fruition later but you cannot say that that conflict was not significant in the context of history.
Doomsday 03-18-2009 12:18 PM
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i've got 2 battles in my head that i would probably put on there. (and please no Thermopylae or however you spell it)
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Don't worry, no thermopolie ( i don't know how to spell it either)
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Shame, the battles at Thermopylae and Salamis soon after helped changed the course of history moreso than probably any other battles.
Knerys 03-18-2009 12:22 PM
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Of the two I'd say Salamis was more important because, well, Thermopylea, with all it's glorification, was a loss for the Greeks. And the victory at Salamis was really the death blow that ultimately weaken the Persian campaign.
Doomsday 03-18-2009 12:25 PM
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That and the battle of Salamis was just really badass in general.
Knerys 03-18-2009 12:34 PM
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Boro 03-18-2009 02:32 PM
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Knerys 03-18-2009 03:27 PM
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Dracula 03-18-2009 03:30 PM
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Tornado 03-18-2009 03:48 PM
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1. Fingolfin vs Morgoth
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Agreed. Superman Vs. Doomsday can be #2.
Knerys 03-18-2009 03:55 PM
________________________________________Kirk vs. Khan is #3.
JBond 03-18-2009 04:08 PM
________________________________________Godzilla vs. Mothra is #4
IanTheCool 03-18-2009 05:53 PM
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8. The Battle of Actium
The forces of Octavian Ceaser vs. the Forces of Mark Antony, 31BC
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Why is this battle important? Because when Octavian defeated Antony, he took supreme rule of Rome, becoming the first true Emperor and turning Rome into an Empire, one of the most influential empires the world has known.
MasterChief117 03-18-2009 08:13 PM
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Psh, Can I expect the Battle of the Bulge, Battle of Midway or any WW2 battle in there?Don't disapoint Ian.
Dracula 03-18-2009 08:51 PM
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The most important WW2 battle was Stalingrad.
Bamfosaurus14 03-18-2009 09:39 PM
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how is the battle of the bulge important?
It was just a footnote in the book of history, it did not change anything. I do not expect that to make the list
Dracula is right, Stalingrad was the reason hitler was defeated
IanTheCool 03-19-2009 12:24 AM
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7. The Battle of Saratoga
United States vs. Great Britain, 1777
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The turning point in the American Revolutionary War, allowing the United States to completely separate from Britain and become their own country. And of course, the USA went on to be the most powerful nation in the world, spreading their influence across the globe.
Knerys 03-19-2009 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Bamfosaurus14 (Post 2569890)
how is the battle of the bulge important?
It was just a footnote in the book of history, it did not change anything. I do not expect that to make the list
Dracula is right, Stalingrad was the reason hitler was defeated
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Footnote??? The Bulge was the nail in coffin for Hitler's campaign.
If Germany won that battle the European campaign probably would have dragged on for many more months. It was his final (if ill-conceived) push turn the tide. Germany's loss there decisively ended the war in Europe.
Not just a footnote.
Now I can agree that Stalingrad is arguably the most important engagement on the European side of the war because it began Germany's downfall and keeping them from ever successfully invading Russia. Plus the fact that you basically had ordinary citizens fighting against on of the most disciplined armies in the world much of the time.
IanTheCool 03-19-2009 11:53 AM
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6. The Battle of Zhuolu
Huaxia vs. Jiuli, 2500BC
i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...cb084d1305.jpg
This may seem like an odd addition to this list, especially since it was so long ago and most people have never heard of it. Why I included it is because this battle created the foundation for Han Chinese culture and civilization, which is one of the oldest cultures in the world and today makes up almost a 5th of the worlds population. China is one of the most powerful countries in the world, with a rich history and an almost certain role in the events of the near future.
Knerys 03-19-2009 12:09 PM
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I've heard of it! But then again I studied war history in college.
You've got an interesting list so far. Nice work.
Dracula 03-19-2009 12:14 PM
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Nice find, good to see someone thinking outside the box
IanTheCool 03-19-2009 02:17 PM
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5. The Battle of Normandy
Allied Forces vs. Germany, 1944
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The 1940's saw the largest conflict in the history of the world when the Allies battled the Axis powers in the Second World War. On June 6th, 1944 the Allies launched a massive invasion on the beaches of Normandy, gaining a foothold in Nazi-occupied Europe. This allowed us to turn the tide and begin work towards the defeat of Nazi Germany.
Now I know this will be a controversial choice, as many will say that Stalingrad is the most important battle of WWII, others will debate other great battles. Hopefully this will lead to a really good discussion, as that's really my purpose here. There has already been a lot of discussion on this, so now we can all debate further.
FranklinTard 03-19-2009 02:17 PM
________________________________________hmmm never heard of it... weird.
IanTheCool 03-19-2009 02:20 PM
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hmmm never heard of it... weird.
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Yeah, I had to do some digging.
JBond 03-19-2009 02:21 PM
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Is that the one where you have to shoot down the pillbox to get to the next level?
MasterChief117 03-19-2009 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Knerys (Post 2570136)
Footnote??? The Bulge was the nail in coffin for Hitler's campaign.
If Germany won that battle the European campaign probably would have dragged on for many more months. It was his final (if ill-conceived) push turn the tide. Germany's loss there decisively ended the war in Europe.
Not just a footnote.
Now I can agree that Stalingrad is arguably the most important engagement on the European side of the war because it began Germany's downfall and keeping them from ever successfully invading Russia. Plus the fact that you basically had ordinary citizens fighting against on of the most disciplined armies in the world much of the time.
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Thank you.
Battle of The Bulge while not being a complete outstanding victory it was a collapse on Hitler's part. Hitler felt if he had any chance in hell at coming back in the war, it would be at Bastogne/Foy/etc. The counter attack failed which leveled the Nazi morale, supplies and men. Pretty much rendered them useless and thats considered non important?
Stalingrad was important but Hitler didn't have a chance in hell at taking over the USSR. He knew that, if anything Stalingrad was there to hold the Russians over(Hence why it lasted 8 months).
MasterChief117 03-19-2009 02:29 PM
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hmmm never heard of it... weird.
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Sarcasm?
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Yeah, I had to do some digging.
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Editted for not properly reading stuff....
FranklinTard 03-19-2009 02:38 PM
________________________________________you never cease to truly amaze mc.
Tornado 03-19-2009 02:39 PM
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MasterChief117 03-19-2009 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by FranklinTard (Post 2570287)
you never cease to truly amaze mc.
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I amaze myself all the time. Thanks for the sarcasm....again.
Knerys 03-19-2009 03:22 PM
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Sarcasm?
Had to do some digging? D-Day(or as you labeled the Battle at Normandy) was THE establishing point for American's fighting in the war. It was actually a time when we led a front and opened up the war to three fronts.
But whatever....
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MC117.....remind me to teach you the inner workings of the running joke.
MasterChief117 03-19-2009 03:40 PM
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Ian, if you wouldn't mind I'd like to throw up a list of my Top 10 battles as well. If that wouldn't be an intrusion.
Tornado 03-19-2009 03:49 PM
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If MC gets to do a list of his own, I'd like to do one of mine. "The Top 10 Deli Meats of All-Time."
It'll be quite controversial, I'm sure.
MasterChief117 03-19-2009 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Tornado (Post 2570323)
If MC gets to do a list of his own, I'd like to do one of mine. "The Top 10 Deli Meats of All-Time."
It'll be quite controversial, I'm sure.
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Well, I'm sure some people here would like to read my opinions.
Tornado 03-19-2009 03:53 PM
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And I think some people here would like to hear my opinions on the best of the best in deli meats. What's your point?
MasterChief117 03-19-2009 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Tornado (Post 2570326)
And I think some people here would like to hear my opinions on the best of the best in deli meats. What's your point?
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That you acting like an ass is only hiliarious to yourself. Big deal, I'm putting down my opinions. We get that you don't want my opinions but then again I never asked for you to give a damn.
Dracula 03-19-2009 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Tornado (Post 2570323)
If MC gets to do a list of his own, I'd like to do one of mine. "The Top 10 Deli Meats of All-Time."
It'll be quite controversial, I'm sure.
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Salami better not get snubbed.
Tornado 03-19-2009 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by MasterChief117 (Post 2570327)
That you acting like an ass is only hiliarious to yourself. Big deal, I'm putting down my opinions. We get that you don't want my opinions but then again I never asked for you to give a damn.
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What? I'm not mocking you. I legitimately want to compile my list of the top ten deli meats. I've done years of research, and it's all going to be used to create this list.
And Drac, salami will definitely be on the list. But I can't say where.
JBond 03-19-2009 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by MasterChief117 (Post 2570307)
I amaze myself all the time. Thanks for the sarcasm....again.
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To be fair, Franklin's post wasn't sarcasm that time. It was coy, if anything.
IanTheCool 03-19-2009 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MasterChief117 (Post 2570318)
Ian, if you wouldn't mind I'd like to throw up a list of my Top 10 battles as well. If that wouldn't be an intrusion.
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Yeah, that's cool. Drac did a contrasting list for the movies. All I ask is that you wait until mine is done.
Tornado 03-19-2009 07:09 PM
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What about my list? I wasn't kidding, despite MC's repeated protests.
IanTheCool 03-19-2009 11:46 PM
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4. The Battle of Hastings
Normans vs. Anglo-Saxons, 1066
i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...l/hastings.jpg
When William the Conqueror conquered the island of Britain, it would be the last time in history that the British shores would be breached. The mix of Angles and Normans had a huge impact on English culture, government, and language, which would grow to be one of the dominant cultures in the world. When Britain became an Empire, they spread there culture around the globe, most notably to North America, and the English language is rapidly becoming the dominant language of the world. And it all stems back to the Norman invasion.
IanTheCool 03-20-2009 02:46 PM
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3. The Battle of Marathon
Athens vs. Persia, 490 BC
i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...ek_Phalanx.jpg
The Greek civilization, which we have come to see as the foundation of many cultures around the world today, was almost crushed just as it was beginning to take form. The Persian empire had plans to move west and absorb Greece and the rest of Europe into its realm. They seemed like an unstoppable force until the Battle of Marathon, where the Athenians trapped the Persians on the battle plain and won victory, giving hope to all of Greece that the Persians could be defeated and Greece could prosper.
Knerys 03-20-2009 03:14 PM
________________________________________Nice.
IanTheCool 03-20-2009 09:16 PM
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2. The Battle of Tours
Franks vs. Umayyad, 732
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The Battle of Tours is often recognized as saving Christianity from annihilation, or at least subversion, by the Islamic conquerors. Imagine what a different world we would be living in if Islam became the dominant religion in Europe and Christians suddenly lost their power. For this reason, this monumental battle is the second most important battle in world history.
Big-Lead5 03-20-2009 09:20 PM
________________________________________Nice Ian good job
JheyDC 03-20-2009 11:56 PM
________________________________________Pretty nice stills Ian...
IanTheCool 03-21-2009 12:18 PM
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1. The Battle of Salamis
Greece vs. Persia, 480BC
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The Battle of Marathon gave hope to the Greeks and the belief that they could stem the Persian conquest, but the Battle of Salamis is when that actually happened. Outnumbered, the Grecian fleet defeated Xerxes navy and won the Greco-Persian wars. Yet this victory has far more significance than that, as it is also credited with saving the whole of western civilization.
If the Persians had conquered Greece it is likely that all of the political, philosophical, and scientific ideas which emerged from Greece and grew to shape the world we now know would have been defused. But Greece won the wars and were able to flourish, creating what we call western civilization, the most powerful man-made agent of change the world has likely seen.
MasterChief117 03-21-2009 10:23 PM
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Wow, pretty good list. I love Salamis being in there, no question its Top 10.
Dracula 03-21-2009 11:05 PM
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Cool... Now bring on the Deli Meat!!!
chewie 03-21-2009 11:38 PM
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Here are 10 I picked out listed in chronological order.
1. Battle of Thermopylae
2. Battle of Gaugamela
3. Battle of Tours
4. Battle of Hastings
5. Siege of Tenochtitlan
6. The Battle of Gravelines
7. Battle of Yorktown
8. Battle of Gettysburg
9. Battle of Britain
10. Battle of Midway
Dracula 03-22-2009 12:06 AM
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A couple more battles, maybe not as important, but I think they're pretty neat:
The Battle of Agincourt
Battle of Hattin
Battle of Stalingrad
The Tet Offensive (My father was there)
Battle of Kursk
Doomsday 03-22-2009 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ianthecool (Post 2571147)
1. The battle of salamis
greece vs. Persia, 480bc
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ftw!!!
Bamfosaurus14 03-22-2009 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Knerys (Post 2570136)
Footnote??? The Bulge was the nail in coffin for Hitler's campaign.
If Germany won that battle the European campaign probably would have dragged on for many more months. It was his final (if ill-conceived) push turn the tide. Germany's loss there decisively ended the war in Europe.
Not just a footnote.
Now I can agree that Stalingrad is arguably the most important engagement on the European side of the war because it began Germany's downfall and keeping them from ever successfully invading Russia. Plus the fact that you basically had ordinary citizens fighting against on of the most disciplined armies in the world much of the time.
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If Hitler won the battle of the Bulge, what would have changed? would he have won the war? No. Would he stop the russian advance? No. Would He stop the Americans? No. He did not have the manpower or supplies to sustain a full onslaught for a long amount of time. All it would have done was lengthen the war by a couple of months at the most. The allies would have won the war with or without the Battle of The Bulge, it didn't change course of hitory or affect millions of people lives, therefore it is a mere footnote.
JBond 03-22-2009 05:33 PM
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Interestingly enough, I'm currently reading a book that supposes the Germans and Japanese won WWII. FDR is assassinated and the new president doesn't get us out of the depression quick enough to help out in WWII.
Bamfosaurus14 03-22-2009 05:54 PM
________________________________________really, what is it called?
JBond 03-22-2009 07:21 PM
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"The Man in the High Castle" by Philip K. Dick. Written in 1962.
Knerys 03-22-2009 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Bamfosaurus14 (Post 2571592)
If Hitler won the battle of the Bulge, what would have changed? would he have won the war? No. Would he stop the russian advance? No. Would He stop the Americans? No. He did not have the manpower or supplies to sustain a full onslaught for a long amount of time. All it would have done was lengthen the war by a couple of months at the most. The allies would have won the war with or without the Battle of The Bulge, it didn't change course of hitory or affect millions of people lives, therefore it is a mere footnote.
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No, extending the blight of Europe for months isn't significant at all. :rolleyes:
If American hadn't had dropped the bomb on Japan we still would have won but it would have taken the better part of a year and millions of lives to do it. Yet dropping the bomb is still significant because it it just stopped everything. Now maybe not in such grand fashion but that's what the Battle of the Bulge did in Europe. It was the definitive answer to the end of the war. Hilter was completely and undeniably done after that. I do not consider that a footnote.
You want a historical footnote look up Operation: Spring Awakening. That's a footnote.
Alien 03-23-2009 08:26 AM
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Nothing about any of these
Battle of Falkirk (1298)
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ngland.svg.png Edward I of England (England) Vs upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...otland.svg.png William Wallace (Scotland)
Battle of Stirling Bridge (1297)
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...otland.svg.png Andrew de Moray & William Wallace (Scottland) Vs upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ngland.svg.png John de Warenne, 7th Earl of Surrey & Hugh de Cressingham. (England)
Nothing about Battle of Britain either
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ingdom.svg.png British Empire Vs upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...y_1933.svg.png Germany & upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...rowned.svg.png Italy
Knerys 03-23-2009 01:02 PM
________________________________________Well, there are only ten spots.
MasterChief117 03-23-2009 02:20 PM
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I still am highly confused on the argument here with Battle of the Bulge. It might have not been the most significant battle ever but its far from just a whim. The engagement if successful would have collapsed a HUGE whole in the lines, allowing Germans to get back into Belgium, France, etc. Yes, they would have been caught down the line but they would have had more time to gather more supplies more men and fight to the end better. Not to mention all the innocent killed. Looks like people need to pay attention in history class.
FranklinTard 03-23-2009 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Alien (Post 2571820)
Nothing about any of these
Battle of Falkirk (1298)
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ngland.svg.png Edward I of England (England) Vs upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...otland.svg.png William Wallace (Scotland)
Battle of Stirling Bridge (1297)
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...otland.svg.png Andrew de Moray & William Wallace (Scottland) Vs upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ngland.svg.png John de Warenne, 7th Earl of Surrey & Hugh de Cressingham. (England)
Nothing about Battle of Britain either
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ingdom.svg.png British Empire Vs upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...y_1933.svg.png Germany & upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...rowned.svg.png Italy
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lol little ethnocentric don't you think?
Alien 03-23-2009 03:02 PM
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The Battle of Falkirk (1298) and the Battle of Stirling Bridge (1297) were both in Breaveheart (sort of) I can't think of any movies for most of the others.
As for the Battle of Britain it was a huge part of WWII.
JBond 03-23-2009 03:02 PM
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Yeah, I have it on Blu-ray and everything.
Knerys 03-23-2009 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Alien (Post 2571993)
The Battle of Falkirk (1298) and the Battle of Stirling Bridge (1297) were both in Breaveheart (sort of) I can't think of any movies for most of the others.
As for the Battle of Britain it was a huge part of WWII.
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Having a movie made about a battle doesn't increase it's significance to history and vice versa.
IanTheCool 03-23-2009 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Alien (Post 2571820)
Nothing about any of these
Battle of Falkirk (1298)
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ngland.svg.png Edward I of England (England) Vs upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...otland.svg.png William Wallace (Scotland)
Battle of Stirling Bridge (1297)
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...otland.svg.png Andrew de Moray & William Wallace (Scottland) Vs upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ngland.svg.png John de Warenne, 7th Earl of Surrey & Hugh de Cressingham. (England)
Nothing about Battle of Britain either
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ingdom.svg.png British Empire Vs upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...y_1933.svg.png Germany & upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...rowned.svg.png Italy
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Sterling and Falkirk were important to Scotland and England, but that much to the rest of the world.
Battle of Britain was pretty important, but not top 10 of all time important. If it were battles of this century, then yes probably.
Bamfosaurus14 03-23-2009 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Knerys (Post 2571668)
No, extending the blight of Europe for months isn't significant at all. :rolleyes:
If American hadn't had dropped the bomb on Japan we still would have won but it would have taken the better part of a year and millions of lives to do it. Yet dropping the bomb is still significant because it it just stopped everything. Now maybe not in such grand fashion but that's what the Battle of the Bulge did in Europe. It was the definitive answer to the end of the war. Hilter was completely and undeniably done after that. I do not consider that a footnote.
You want a historical footnote look up Operation: Spring Awakening. That's a footnote.
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WE're not talking about Japan. That was a totally different situation. Japan was gonna fight to the death with every, man, women, and child. That would have cost a million American lives to invade, not to mention the entire japanese culture. Just becuase it was the last big battle of a war doesn't mean it is on the same level as D-Day, the Battle of Tours, and The Battle of Salamis.
Bamfosaurus14 03-23-2009 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by MasterChief117 (Post 2571980)
I still am highly confused on the argument here with Battle of the Bulge. It might have not been the most significant battle ever but its far from just a whim. The engagement if successful would have collapsed a HUGE whole in the lines, allowing Germans to get back into Belgium, France, etc. Yes, they would have been caught down the line but they would have had more time to gather more supplies more men and fight to the end better. Not to mention all the innocent killed. Looks like people need to pay attention in history class.
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Looks like people need to know what their talking about it. Where are the German people gonna come up with these supplies? With their no longer existant factories? Are they just gonna pull out extra soldiers out of their butts? They were spread so thin between the italian, russian, and french fronts. The Germans were done by the summer of 1945 with or without the Battle of the Bulge, especially with the russians breathing down their necks. That is why it is only a mere footnote.
Knerys 03-24-2009 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Bamfosaurus14 (Post 2572193)
WE're not talking about Japan. That was a totally different situation. Japan was gonna fight to the death with every, man, women, and child. That would have cost a million American lives to invade, not to mention the entire japanese culture. Just becuase it was the last big battle of a war doesn't mean it is on the same level as D-Day, the Battle of Tours, and The Battle of Salamis.
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I never said it was on the same level as these other battles. What I said was that it wasn't simply a footnote in history.
Bamfosaurus14 03-24-2009 05:34 PM
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Maybe i did underestimate its importance, but i just didn't think it was in the top ten battles
Alien 03-24-2009 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Knerys (Post 2572012)
Having a movie made about a battle doesn't increase it's significance to history and vice versa.
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So explain the sudden significance of the Spartan/300 war thing?
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Originally Posted by IanTheCool (Post 2572085)
Sterling and Falkirk were important to Scotland and England, but that much to the rest of the world.
Battle of Britain was pretty important, but not top 10 of all time important. If it were battles of this century, then yes probably.
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As much as the yanks like to think they won World War II, Britain was in it for the long haul and the Battle of Britain was a huge part of our fight.
Dracula 03-24-2009 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Alien (Post 2572843)
As much as the yanks like to think they won World War II, Britain was in it for the long haul and the Battle of Britain was a huge part of our fight.
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If any country has had their WW2 achievemnets overlooked its the Soviet Union and China, not the UK.
Alien 03-24-2009 07:24 PM
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I never really thought about it but I didn't even know China was involved with the whole thing.
PsYkOoOoO 03-24-2009 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Alien (Post 2572858)
I never really thought about it but I didn't even know China was involved with the whole thing.
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The Rape of Nanking?
JBond 03-24-2009 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Alien (Post 2572858)
I never really thought about it but I didn't even know China was involved with the whole thing.
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You mean with the WORLD War?
donny 03-24-2009 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by JBond (Post 2571995)
Yeah, I have it on Blu-ray and everything.
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I've been meaning to ask for them back. Hand 'em over.
Dracula 03-24-2009 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Alien (Post 2572858)
I never really thought about it but I didn't even know China was involved with the whole thing.
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including civilian deaths, they had more casualties than Germany, Poland, Japan, the UK, and the US combined.
JBond 03-24-2009 08:47 PM
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Doomsday 03-24-2009 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Dracula (Post 2572855)
If any country has had their WW2 achievemnets overlooked its the Soviet Union and China, not the UK.
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US was overlooked too!!
saveus1011 03-24-2009 09:49 PM
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To be fair, Russia had Mother Nature on her side.
But Dracula, you're partially right.
Bamfosaurus14 03-24-2009 10:01 PM
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To tell you the truth, U.S. involvement was the reason the alllies won the war. You can't argue against that fact.
Well, that and the German attack of the Soviet Union, Hitler that dumbass
saveus1011 03-24-2009 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Bamfosaurus14 (Post 2572935)
To tell you the truth, U.S. involvement was the reason the alllies won the war. You can't argue against that fact.
Well, that and the German attack of the Soviet Union, Hitler that dumbass
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Pretty much. America had to enter the war. We just did it at the right time.
JBond 03-24-2009 11:07 PM
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Wasn't there going to be a top ten deli sandwich list?
chewie 03-25-2009 07:26 AM
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Knerys 03-25-2009 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Alien (Post 2572843)
So explain the sudden significance of the Spartan/300 war thing?
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What do you mean sudden? The idea that a vastly outnumbered army could use battle tactics and terrain to hold off the enemy was greatly revered even in ancient times. People have discussed Thermopylae long before Frank Miller decided to make a story out of it.
And, honestly, it wasn't the most important battle in the Persian/Greco wars. It's definitely one of the most famous because the Greeks faced insurmountable odds and the level of valor shown by the Spartans (and Thespians which no one ever talks about, look them up!) makes for great drama.
However, in reality, it was really done more as a tactical move to allow the rest of the Greek army to retreat than a defiant last stand. But they all knew they were going to probably die.
You're battles have significance too but mainly to Scotland. The was looking at a broader spectrum.
Knerys 03-25-2009 10:46 AM
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To tell you the truth, U.S. involvement was the reason the alllies won the war. You can't argue against that fact.
Well, that and the German attack of the Soviet Union, Hitler that dumbass
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Hilter's ego was the one thing that I believed kept Germany from ultimately achieving it's goal. People talk about if you could have assassinated Hilter....I wouldn't. Someone just as passionate and more tactically competent would have taken his place.
MasterChief117 03-25-2009 10:49 AM
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Hitler attacked the Soviet Union for more reasons than him having a big ego. He figured since about 75% of his army was on the west side of Europe that Stalin would get the itch to take over the west. So basically Hitler smacked first.
Knerys 03-25-2009 11:19 AM
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I talking more than invading Russia.
Germany had a non-aggression pact with the Soviet's but Hitler felt Stalin would violate it if he had the upper hand (which he probably would of done) so Hitler decided to hit first. He didn't trust his field officer and refused to let them make decisions without his consent. In fact his decision to attack in The Battle of the Bulge was highly contested.
He may have been a great speaker and charismatic leader but he was wasteful as a military commander.
JBond 03-25-2009 03:06 PM
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Sometimes I dream that I'm as smart as Knerys. :rolleyes:
(That's a daydream face this time)
Knerys 03-25-2009 03:18 PM
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I just read a lot. I have insatiable curiosity. :redface:
Deexan 03-25-2009 03:22 PM
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I'm guessing the bloody mêlée of between St. Thomas More Catholic College and Edensor High School (1997) was at number 11? Many pencil cases were lost that day; I'll never forget the look on the face of my mother upon the realisation that she would have to buy me a new school shirt.
Dark times.
FranklinTard 03-25-2009 04:05 PM
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tornado wheres your deli meat list, ive got mine completed.
Boro 03-25-2009 04:28 PM
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Yeah, how long are you going to make us wait?
Tornado 03-25-2009 04:39 PM
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lol, it's a work in progress guys. You can't rush art.
JBond 03-25-2009 05:22 PM
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Tornado 03-25-2009 05:27 PM
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Who is Pollack? A painter? You're talking to the wrong guy if that's the case.
I could tell you all about James Pollack the astrophysicist, but he and Sydney are the only Pollacks I know.
IanTheCool 03-25-2009 05:29 PM
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I'm guessing the bloody mêlée of between St. Thomas More Catholic College and Edensor High School (1997) was at number 11? Many pencil cases were lost that day; I'll never forget the look on the face of my mother upon the realisation that she would have to buy me a new school shirt.
Dark times.
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Well, close. It's number 12.
JBond 03-25-2009 05:32 PM
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Who is Pollack? A painter? You're talking to the wrong guy if that's the case.
I could tell you all about James Pollack the astrophysicist, but he and Sydney are the only Pollacks I know.
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Pollock:
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Deexan 03-25-2009 05:56 PM
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IanTheCool 03-25-2009 06:26 PM
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The Ten Greatest Board Games
10. Trivial Pursuit (1981)
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In 1981, two Canadian magazine editors decided to design their own game and ended up creating a champion medium for all sorts of useless facts and knowledge. The gameplay is decent enough, simple in concept, but the trivia challenge is what made this game a huge success. Trivial Pursuit's popularity continues today, spawning all sorts of updates and specialized versions.
JBond 03-25-2009 09:08 PM
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I love Trivial Pursuit. Used to play it all the time.
Dracula 03-25-2009 09:52 PM
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I used to hang out at a Pizza parlor that had trivial pursuit cards at the tables. Sad day when the health inspector shut them down.
donny 03-25-2009 10:04 PM
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Well, I would always pee on the floor at that place. So, I guess I'm somewhat responsible for it getting closed. Sorry.
JBond 03-25-2009 10:07 PM
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And I would clean the tops of the ceiling fans with slices of pizza. My bad.
donny 03-25-2009 10:10 PM
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Pretty sure I also saw you put the burger patties in the toilet before you used them.
JBond 03-25-2009 10:18 PM
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Is it my fault they look so much like urinal cakes?
Although that explains the complaints from the burger customers...
donny 03-25-2009 10:20 PM
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That one guy sitting in the corner seemed to like them. Hope it wasn't Dracula....
JBond 03-25-2009 10:32 PM
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He was OK with it once I convinced him it was a new kind of tofu.
Then he started going off about Francois Truffaut, or something.
donny 03-25-2009 10:37 PM
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Figures. He would always pretend to speak French.
IanTheCool 03-26-2009 12:46 AM
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9. Diplomacy (1959)
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In 1957, a little game called Risk was published, setting off the popularity of wargames. However two years later, a new war game called Diplomacy was released, with a concept unique to Risk. The players must write down their moves and reveal them at the same time, cutting down on down-time spent between other players' turns and giving a fresh unpredictability to the gameplay. Diplomacy is most famous for have negotiations, alliances, and double-crossing as an integral part of the game providing lots of room for player interaction.
Diplomacy became very popular and even JFK and Kissinger have declared it to be their favorite game. Diplomacy even grew to include postal games, where players would play from across the country through the mail. A unique and special game, one of the most interactive and involving war games there is.
bbf2 03-26-2009 01:48 AM
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If Monopoly is number one I will kill you with a top hat.
Alien 03-26-2009 06:00 AM
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You mean with the WORLD War?
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Like I say I never tought about it. Also I never did history is School I did Geogrophy (It was one or the other).
History here is all about Scotland and a little about the UK but very little about the world. It's like history teachers think we still have an empire and are the center of the world or something.
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What do you mean sudden? The idea that a vastly outnumbered army could use battle tactics and terrain to hold off the enemy was greatly revered even in ancient times. People have discussed Thermopylae long before Frank Miller decided to make a story out of it.
And, honestly, it wasn't the most important battle in the Persian/Greco wars. It's definitely one of the most famous because the Greeks faced insurmountable odds and the level of valor shown by the Spartans (and Thespians which no one ever talks about, look them up!) makes for great drama.
However, in reality, it was really done more as a tactical move to allow the rest of the Greek army to retreat than a defiant last stand. But they all knew they were going to probably die.
You're battles have significance too but mainly to Scotland. The was looking at a broader spectrum.
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But since the movie 300 you have got to admit that everyone talks about it now like they've talked about it all there lifes.
IanTheCool 03-26-2009 10:36 AM
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8. Carcassonne (2000)
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Board games seem to currently be in a Renaissance period over the last decade, mostly with the advent of German-style 'Eurogames'. One of the most popular and unique games to come out of this era is Carcassonne, where rather than beginning with a board, the players create the board as the game goes on, each taking turns placing a new landscape tile and matching features. They then play their board pieces or 'meeples' on different areas of the board to perform differing roles which score points in different ways.
Carcassonne is a definitely a different expierence than regular board games, introducing the concept of tile and worker plaecment to many. There are a number of explanations, each of which addd a little something extra to the game without taking away its essence.
Ramplate 03-26-2009 10:52 AM
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No one will play Trivial Pursuit with me anymore lol I have way too much free time on my hands and look up and remember things all the time
Never played Diplomacy but I have a friend who loves it.
This one I've never heard of - good list subject by the way
Dhamon22 03-26-2009 12:47 PM
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I played Carcassonne on Xbox Live Arcade. Good game.
IanTheCool 03-26-2009 02:19 PM
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7. Tigris and Euphrates (1997)
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Reiner Knizia is one of the biggest names in modern board games, and Tigris and Euphrates is often considered his masterpiece. Chances are you haven't heard of it. It is not a game for the casual board gamer, but is instead a 'gamer's game', full of complexity and skill, a mix of theme and abstract. One of the more complex games out there, wonderfully crafted and beautifully made.
JBond 03-26-2009 03:33 PM
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What are these games!
I suppose Chess could be #1.
Knerys 03-26-2009 03:42 PM
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You're losing me with this list a little bit, Ian.
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But since the movie 300 you have got to admit that everyone talks about it now like they've talked about it all there lifes.
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Yeah the movies created interest but I haven't encounter many people (barring other history buffs) who like to extensively discuss the historical context of the the battle. They mostly consist of them saying "that movie was bad ass" and me ramble on about the historical context of the battle.
Big-Lead5 03-26-2009 04:41 PM
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Deexan 03-26-2009 05:17 PM
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Are people who play "gamer's games" gamer's games gamers?
IanTheCool 03-26-2009 07:05 PM
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Yeah, I figured this one no one would have heard of. Carcassonne however I own and it is a very fun game. I recommend it.
IanTheCool 03-26-2009 07:18 PM
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6. Scrabble (1948)
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The ultimate word game which has spawned tournaments of all kinds, had full dictionaries written on words that can be used, and created an enjoyable and intellectual leisure activity for people of all ages. Scrabble has garnered a level of respect in society like few other boards games can.
Bamfosaurus14 03-26-2009 09:00 PM
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You gotta love scrabble!
I used to be a scrabble club when i was in elementary school
shows how much of a nerd i am =P
IanTheCool 03-27-2009 12:47 AM
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5. Backgammon (200)
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Backgammon is one of the oldest games in the world. combining the race game with the dice game. It has a long history and is studied widely. Backgammon even has a World Championship. Backgammon is a pillar of the world of board games which has been around for many, many years and will be for many more to come.
Alien 03-27-2009 08:10 AM
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I've played Backgammon a few times and just can't win, ever.
IanTheCool 03-27-2009 09:16 AM
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I've played Backgammon a few times and just can't win, ever.
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I'm like that with checkers. I know its such a simple game, but I just can't win ever.
Ramplate 03-27-2009 10:01 AM
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IanTheCool 03-27-2009 01:43 PM
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love that game
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Backgammon or Checkers?
IanTheCool 03-27-2009 01:54 PM
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4. Puerto Rico (2002)
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Puerto Rico may be one of the most brilliantly constructed board games ever made, with almost no flaws in its design at all. In the game, the players are plantation owners who take turns in various roles (mayor, builder, trader, etc.) which dictate the different phases of the gameplay. The only aspects of luck in the game are the way the plant tiles are drawn (which has little impact on the game) and the strategy of the other players.
Puerto Rico is the Citizen Kane of board games. Not only is it technically brilliant, its also highly enjoyable.
Big-Lead5 03-27-2009 01:57 PM
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i love scrabble and Back gammon never heard of the last 1
FranklinTard 03-27-2009 02:20 PM
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IanTheCool 03-27-2009 04:20 PM
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Dhamon22 03-27-2009 05:15 PM
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I love it though, its always cool to find a great new board game.
IanTheCool 03-27-2009 08:19 PM
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3. The Settlers of Catan (1995)
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Settlers of Catan is everything you want in a board game: an interesting theme, lots of player interaction, enjoyable gameplay, a good mix of strategy and chance. Settlers also has the quality of being able to pull almost anyone into its orbit.
The board is made up of 19 hexagonal pieces which are rearranged differently every game so that you never have the same board each time you play. You collect resources from the 'hexes' which you use to build settlements and road. Yet the description of the game does not do it justice; this is a fun, involving game that everyone can enjoy. I truly believe that eventually Settlers of Catan will be taking the place of Monopoly as the quintessential board game of modern culture.
Big-Lead5 03-27-2009 08:24 PM
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Another game i never heard of. How come I never see these game at Walmart or Target
bbf2 03-27-2009 08:30 PM
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Settlers of Catan is an amazing game.
I'll give you two sheeps for a wheat.
IanTheCool 03-27-2009 10:12 PM
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Another game i never heard of. How come I never see these game at Walmart or Target
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Trust me, if you have a chance to play it, do. It is starting to become more popular. You may be seeing it in more mainstream stores in the near future.
Tornado 03-28-2009 09:28 AM
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Something tells me Candyland isn't going to be on this list.
IanTheCool 03-28-2009 09:31 AM
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Something tells me Candyland isn't going to be on this list.
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...... Thanks for giving away number #1.
IanTheCool 03-28-2009 12:09 PM
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2. Go (c. 2200 BC)
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From the annals of ancient China comes one of the oldest and greatest board games in the world. Go focuses on balance, tactics and strategy. Perhaps no board game has had quite the cultural impact that Go has had, especially in the Far East. In China, Go was actually known as one of the Four Arts of the Chinese Scholar.
Go ended up spreading to Korea and Japan and eventually to the rest of the world. Go was considered an important skill in some Eastern cultures and is a game with many philosophical implications. It is certainly one of the most important and meaningful board games ever made.
Big-Lead5 03-28-2009 12:17 PM
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that is old game i never played seen it being played though
JBond 03-28-2009 02:29 PM
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Something tells me The Game of Life isn't going to be on your list.
The game that perpared me for college, choosing a job, and trading kids for money to win.
IanTheCool 03-28-2009 05:11 PM
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1. Chess (c. 600)
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Chess: the grand master of all board games. Originating in India, chess has a long and intricate history of evolution into the game of strategy we know today. The game can be considered a war simulation as well as an abstract exercise of the mind where each individual piece has its own role with one common goal: protect the king.
Chess is often used as a metaphor for such philosophical views and life lessons such as sacrifice and thinking numerous steps ahead. The game is widely studied by scientists and mathematicians and is played at the highest international level, including the famous cold war match of Fischer vs. Kasparov.
No board game in the world holds quite the level of popularity and reverence as chess does. It is the ultimate board game and the standard for all recreational challenges of the mind.
JBond 03-28-2009 05:19 PM
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I didn't know that Milton Bradley had been around for that long.
FranklinTard 03-29-2009 01:31 AM
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nice on the 'go' call, i actually had no idea that's what it was called.
bbf2 03-29-2009 04:15 AM
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Now its time for my countdown thread: bbf2's Top 10 Numbers!
Number 10. The number "Ten"
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The number "10" has been in our society for generations. Many small children think of this as the biggest number, since they can only count to ten. As the first double-digit number, 10 has a special role to fill, and unlike most double digit numbers ending in "0," often feels more comfortable grouped with numbers before it (1-9) than after it (11-19). You could say that 10 seems to feel a little insecure about its "weight" as a double digit number and thus prefers to associate with the single digit numbers, but one should never forget its importance as the gatekeeper (however reluctant) between the simplistic world of single digit numbers and increasingly complex world of double digit numbers. It serves as the perfect amount for a list of "Top" things in a given category, as David Letterman or Moses can tell you. Sports figures who wear number 10 include many futbol players such as Pele and Ronaldinho, and many quarterbacks such as NFL bust Brady Quinn, NFL bust Vince Young, and former NFL bust Eli Manning.
JBond 03-29-2009 02:32 PM
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I'm betting 9 is next. Or Battle of Normandy.
IanTheCool 03-29-2009 03:30 PM
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Something tells me The Game of Life isn't going to be on your list.
The game that perpared me for college, choosing a job, and trading kids for money to win.
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So you chose your job by drawing a card from someone's hand?
JBond 03-29-2009 04:08 PM
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Actually, on Wednesday I'm going to a career fair, so.....yes.
Dracula 03-29-2009 04:59 PM
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I think ten should have been higher on the list than it was. It was the name of a pretty bi*chin' Pearl Jam album after all.
Alien 03-29-2009 05:08 PM
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2. Go (c. 2200 BC)
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From the annals of ancient China comes one of the oldest and greatest board games in the world. Go focuses on balance, tactics and strategy. Perhaps no board game has had quite the cultural impact that Go has had, especially in the Far East. In China, Go was actually known as one of the Four Arts of the Chinese Scholar.
Go ended up spreading to Korea and Japan and eventually to the rest of the world. Go was considered an important skill in some Eastern cultures and is a game with many philosophical implications. It is certainly one of the most important and meaningful board games ever made.
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I actually really like that game and like to play it on Mario DS 2 player mode. I think it's the same thing.
JBond 03-29-2009 05:36 PM
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I think ten should have been higher on the list than it was. It was the name of a pretty bi*chin' Pearl Jam album after all.
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Yeah, but then there was that Bo Derek movie, so... :/
Ramplate 03-29-2009 06:49 PM
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RISK
War of the Ring
Ser Ty Of Ross 03-30-2009 01:47 AM
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Very surprised to see no Monopoly or Risk on the list..... also in many ways the original AD&D could be considered almost a board game which of course has had huge influence.
Or another game that has also been important to CS history... Parcheesi (JBond Rogue and Frizzo know what I'm talkin' bout)
Some of my personal favorites also include Stratego and Scattergories
IanTheCool 03-30-2009 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Ser Ty Of Ross (Post 2575524)
Very surprised to see no Monopoly or Risk on the list..... also in many ways the original AD&D could be considered almost a board game which of course has had huge influence.
Or another game that has also been important to CS history... Parcheesi (JBond Rogue and Frizzo know what I'm talkin' bout)
Some of my personal favorites also include Stratego and Scattergories
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Monopoly wasn't making this list. Not that I dislike monopoly, but it does have many problems. Mostly it is too long, even when the winner is decided halfway through the game, but everyone still has to play it out.
I absolutely love Risk, but it also has many flaws, one of them being the same as monopoly. The ending drags out for a long time, when you can usually tell who is going to be the winner. Also, there's a little too much luck invovled with the dice rolls.
JBond 03-30-2009 03:01 PM
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IanTheCool 03-30-2009 03:41 PM
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Alright, so next up I'm going to be doing the ten best TV shows. Just a note: this is not my favorite shows. I am trying to step back from this list and be as objective as possible. These shows are ranked on importance and impact as well as quality. I have a feeling there will be a lot of disagreement with this one, but that's the way it goes.
IanTheCool 03-30-2009 04:01 PM
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The Ten Greatest TV Shows
10. Star Trek (1966-1969)
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In many ways Star Trek is bigger than a television series (and I don't just mean because it went on to make 10, almost 11, feature films as well). It had a vision and scope that really went beyond. Star Trek was a forum for ideas and a medium to promote acceptance and harmony. It challenged the modern ideas of race relations and had a vision of a united Earth who focused the positive advancement of knowledge. And as for the science fiction aspect, it truly set a standard of innovative ideas and philosophies for the entire genre.
JBond 03-30-2009 04:49 PM
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Star Trek was "great," but not good. Still, it's a good choice.
Dracula 03-30-2009 05:40 PM
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Star Trek was "great," but not good. Still, it's a good choice.
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That's a pretty good way to put it.
IanTheCool 03-30-2009 08:08 PM
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9. Sesame Street (1969-present)
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Is there anyone born after the 1960's whose childhood was not influenced by Jim Henson's Sesame Street? Okay, maybe there were, but not many I would wager. Sesame Street was able to use the television medium for a purpose: to make learning fun. TV was turning out to be simply a way of life for children, for better or for worse. So Sesame Street did what it could to make it for better.
Sesame Street has introduced loads of memorable characters into the north American cultural fabric: Big Bird, Bert & Ernie, Cookie Monster, Grover, Snuffleupagus, Oscar the Grouch, and the list goes on. Sesame Street has tackled subjects as rudimentary as counting and spelling to such subjects such as death. Sesame Street has been a staple of childhood for decades.
JBond 03-30-2009 08:48 PM
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Sesame Street is being brought to you by the ranking of #9.
donny 03-30-2009 09:28 PM
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I've always been a bigger fan of the grittier, re-imagined version of Sesame Street.
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Dracula 03-30-2009 09:37 PM
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I like this version
VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:
IanTheCool 03-31-2009 08:30 AM
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8. 60 Minutes (1968-present)
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Investigative television journalism at its peak. 60 minutes has been around for 40 years and has done some very important investigation, as well as been embroiled in much controversy. None the less, it is an important staple of American television.
Knerys 03-31-2009 12:15 PM
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The Ten Greatest TV Shows
10. Star Trek (1966-1969)
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In many ways Star Trek is bigger than a television series (and I don't just mean because it went on to make 10, almost 11, feature films as well). It had a vision and scope that really went beyond. Star Trek was a forum for ideas and a medium to promote acceptance and harmony. It challenged the modern ideas of race relations and had a vision of a united Earth who focused the positive advancement of knowledge. And as for the science fiction aspect, it truly set a standard of innovative ideas and philosophies for the entire genre.
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I love you.
JBond 03-31-2009 02:58 PM
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He's just making room for Stargate: SG1.
IanTheCool 03-31-2009 05:43 PM
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7. Cheers (1982-1993)
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Cheers is the prime example of how a formulaic situation comedy can be great if all of the pieces fit; the characters, the writing, the chemistry between the actors, all at the top of their game There is a reason it was the most popular show out there for almost a decade. Sam, Diane, Norm, Cliff, Carla, Woody; everyone knew their name.
JBond 03-31-2009 05:47 PM
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I don't think I've ever seen an episode all the way through.
I'm going to be upset if MASH is #1.
LP4Life 03-31-2009 05:53 PM
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my parents used to talk about cheers alot. what was it about.
JBond 03-31-2009 05:54 PM
________________________________________Drinking.
LP4Life 03-31-2009 05:55 PM
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oh dont drink because my little body cant hardly take it. it sucks being an lp sometimes. i wish i could try to drink though. my mom does somehow.
IanTheCool 03-31-2009 10:12 PM
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6. The Honeymooners (1955-1956)
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The Honeymooners was able to lay a foundation for television comedy beyond simply being the show that The Flintstones is based on. Jackie Gleason and his cast created a show which was both rip-roaringly hilarious and incredibly sweet at the same time. A classic in every sense of the word.
Big-Lead5 03-31-2009 10:15 PM
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Honeymooners great show i sure hope I Love Lucy makes your list and All In the Family
JBond 03-31-2009 10:38 PM
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Tornado 03-31-2009 10:47 PM
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Ha, I didn't know The Honeymooners was only on for two seasons. With how much people talk about it or how often it's referenced, I would have guessed 6-7 years at least.
Dracula 03-31-2009 10:48 PM
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Ha, I didn't know The Honeymooners was only on for two seasons. With how much people talk about it or how often it's referenced, I would have guessed 6-7 years at least.
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It was the original Firefly.. sort of
IanTheCool 04-01-2009 07:49 AM
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5. Seinfeld (1989-1998)
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The 'show abuot nothing' revolutionized TV comedy and ingrained itself into popular culture. Seinfeld gave us one ofd television's greatest characters in George Costanza and gave slapstick comedy a new name with Cosmo Kramer. Sure it was outrageous and over-the-top at times, but that's all a part of its charm. Even though its been off the air for ten years, Seinfeld remains master of its domain.
PG Cooper 04-01-2009 07:54 AM
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Yes. Thank you for Seinfeld. One of the two of the shows on your list I have watched multiple times!
The other being Sesame Street.
Dracula 04-01-2009 11:37 AM
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Seinfeld is probably second only to The Simpsons in its ability to provide iconic catchphrases and quotes. It's a sign of greatness when individual episodes are fondly remembered and quoted.
diemos 04-01-2009 03:38 PM
________________________________________Seingeld was amazing.
FranklinTard 04-01-2009 04:10 PM
________________________________________yea i love me some seingeld.
JBond 04-01-2009 04:44 PM
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It was the original Firefly.. sort of
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I was under the impression that The Honeymooers had about 3 incarnations. Like they kept bringing it back.
"Yeah, and my name is Jerry Cougar Melloncamp"
Ramplate 04-01-2009 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by JBond (Post 2576850)
I was under the impression that The Honeymooers had about 3 incarnations. Like they kept bringing it back.
"Yeah, and my name is Jerry Cougar Melloncamp"
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yeah it started as part of Cavalcade of Stars - then by itself - then back to part of a variety show again - and then again in the 60's with some different actresses.
IanTheCool 04-01-2009 05:33 PM
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4. All in the Family (1971-1979)
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Archie Bunker is one of the most colourful and important characters in television history. Why? Because he was able to bring out the prejudices f our society out for all to see. For some he was able to show that maybe they weren't that different from him after all. He made we as an audience face our own biases. All in the family was an important show when it aired and its legacy is still important today.
JBond 04-01-2009 06:17 PM
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It certainly did push the envelope. All most too much at times. Has anyone seen that episode where someone breaks in and is trying to rape the mother? Complete with laugh track and all.
Dracula 04-01-2009 06:49 PM
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Aparently someone else thought the show pushed the boundry a bit too far...
VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:
:omg:
IanTheCool 04-01-2009 09:37 PM
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3. I Love Lucy (1951-1960)
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Not including Lucy on this list would be like AFI not including Casablanca in their top ten. I personally am not a big fan of I Love Lucy, but it is an undeniable classic which laid a foundation for television comedy, and television in general, for the next fifty years.
JBond 04-01-2009 09:41 PM
________________________________________Hogan's Heroes is next.
Big-Lead5 04-01-2009 10:04 PM
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2 Great shows Lucy still makes me laugh. i did wonder if lucy and archie be on this list.
bbf2 04-01-2009 10:05 PM
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"Small wonder" is going to be number one.
Bamfosaurus14 04-01-2009 10:17 PM
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No,
The Man Show will definitely be the greatest show of all time
JBond 04-01-2009 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by bbf2 (Post 2577019)
"Small wonder" is going to be number one.
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I can still hear the theme song to that one.
IanTheCool 04-02-2009 07:53 AM
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2. M*A*S*H* (1972-1983)
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Mash blurred the lined of drama and comedy, using the Korean War as its backdrop. Mash was an incredibly funny show with something to say. Sure it could be melodramatic at times, but usually it managed to hit just the right note. The characters are memorable as are the ideals they struggled to maintain in the chaos of war.
Knerys 04-02-2009 10:56 AM
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Radar and Klinger were my favorites.
JBond 04-02-2009 01:45 PM
________________________________________Well I was wrong, MASH wasn't #1.
IanTheCool 04-02-2009 06:21 PM
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1. The Simpsons (1989-present)
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When it comes to television, The Simpsons is almost on a different plane than all other shows. The Simpsons has carved out a unique place for itself in pop culture. Not only are Homer, Bart, Marge and Lisa Simpson household names, but even the dozens of supporting characters are very widely known: Mr. Burns, Moe the bartender, Chief Wiggum, Groundskeeper Willie, Sideshow Bob, Duffman, and the list goes on and on and on.
The Simpsons is comedic genius. The first half of the shows long and successful run of almost 20 years is simply untouched it terms of quality in the writing. The greatest episodes of the Simpsons are simply some of the greatest episodes of TV period. And there are many, many of these great episodes. Simpsons manages to find just the right balance between slapstick humour and social satire which allows this show to be vastly layered in its levels of humor.
The Simpsons is simply the greatest television show ever.
JBond 04-02-2009 06:54 PM
________________________________________Woo-hoo!
Big-Lead5 04-02-2009 08:39 PM
________________________________________I liked your last 5 Ian great job
JheyDC 04-02-2009 08:41 PM
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Awesome! Good Job choosing the Simpsons IAN
IanTheCool 04-02-2009 09:20 PM
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Thanks guys.
I think Tornado is planning to put up his own TV show list.
donny 04-02-2009 09:26 PM
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Eat my shorts.
..... Or, is that like, 15 years ago?
Knerys 04-03-2009 12:32 PM
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I saw this coming, not that I disagree. Though, I think I'm the only person here who doesn't really watch the Simpsons....
Tornado 04-03-2009 12:37 PM
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I'm going to opt out Ian. I had started it, but it just became too predictable in my head.
For those interested, Lost would have been #1 (shocking!). BSG #2, Dexter probably 3, and then either Angel or Smallville in the 4/5 spots.
JBond 04-03-2009 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Knerys (Post 2577969)
I saw this coming, not that I disagree. Though, I think I'm the only person here who doesn't really watch the Simpsons....
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For the last time, YES!
(And yes, I managed to make that a Simpsons quote. That's how important it is. Anyone know it?)
equipe 04-03-2009 02:05 PM
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I like seeing M*A*S*H so highly rated. Such a brilliant show. Under-appreciated by most people under 30.
FranklinTard 04-03-2009 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Knerys (Post 2577969)
I saw this coming, not that I disagree. Though, I think I'm the only person here who doesn't really watch the Simpsons....
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you never did or don't now?
i haven't watched in a good 5 years, not even re runs, i am completely burnt out on simpsons.
Knerys 04-03-2009 02:34 PM
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Never did. Granted I have seen a few episodes here and there but I couldn't name a single one and I doubt it's even enough to fill a whole season.
Guess I was too busy watching Star Trek.
JBond 04-03-2009 03:26 PM
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You clearly didn't see the right ones.
Tornado 04-03-2009 03:27 PM
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Yeah, she must have been watching from like the last 8 or 9 years.
Knerys 04-03-2009 03:28 PM
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On the other hand I have seen every episode of Futurama at least 2 or 3 times.
JBond 04-03-2009 03:33 PM
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You've done some things right. Some.
IanTheCool 04-05-2009 12:31 PM
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The Ten Best Cities to Visit
10. Las Vegas, USA
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There is no other city in the world which has quite the same reputation that Vegas has. Las Vegas has defined itself as the ultimate entertainment town, where its okay to be as crazy as you want. There are casinos, theaters, magic shows, circus acts, and of course Wayne Newton. Las Vegas is all sorts of fun rolled into one classy package.
Big-Lead5 04-05-2009 12:34 PM
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Have you been to Vegas Ian? i haven't hopefuly next year for me this year going back to Orlando.
IanTheCool 04-05-2009 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Big-Lead5 (Post 2578876)
Have you been to Vegas Ian? i haven't hopefuly next year for me this year going back to Orlando.
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No I haven't, though a lot of my friends have in the last couple of years. It seems to be the thing to do now.
I have only actually been to three of the cities that are going to show up on this list. The others are based on researching travel companies, etc. as well as the cities themselves.
Big-Lead5 04-05-2009 12:46 PM
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oh ok lol i thought maybe you been there thats why i ask
Dracula 04-05-2009 02:01 PM
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Bright light city gonna set my soul, Gonna set my soul on FIRE!
JBond 04-05-2009 02:23 PM
________________________________________*Goes to watch Rainman*
Bamfosaurus14 04-05-2009 03:37 PM
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im gonna be mad if the greatest city in the world, NYC, isn't number 1
IanTheCool 04-05-2009 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Bamfosaurus14 (Post 2578936)
im gonna be mad if the greatest city in the world, NYC, isn't number 1
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* looks at bamfosaurus's location
hmm, biased much?
JBond 04-05-2009 04:25 PM
________________________________________"#9. Ottawa"
IanTheCool 04-05-2009 04:32 PM
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IanTheCool 04-05-2009 04:51 PM
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9. Hong Kong, China
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Hong Kong is a rich and vibrant city where Western Culture meets Eastern. One of the most important financial cities in the world is also home to a flourishing nightlife and is considered perhaps the greatest city to go to for high dining and cuisine. Not to mention it is often considered to have the greatest skyline in the world.
JBond 04-05-2009 05:21 PM
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Just to be annoying, is it really in China, though?
Bamfosaurus14 04-05-2009 06:30 PM
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well maybe i am just a tiny bit biased
but come on, no where is better to visit than the big apple
living there is a different story =P
IanTheCool 04-05-2009 11:07 PM
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8. Beijing, China
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Beijing is one of the most culturally rich cities in the world seeping in history and significance. Not only are there the classic attractions like the Forbidden City and Temple of the Heavens, but with the Olympics now past, the city has been rejuvenated with all kinds of modern architecture as well. And of course, perhaps the best reason to visit this city is its close proximity to possibly the greatest man-made structure in history the Great Wall of China.
JheyDC 04-06-2009 09:39 AM
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One of the richest place right now where the US can barrow money is CHINA...
IanTheCool 04-06-2009 09:54 AM
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7. Kyoto, Japan
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While modern Japan is flourishing in Tokyo, old Japan is still alive and well in Kyoto, the country's cultural capital. Kyoto has 17 UNESCO world heritage sites! This includes the Kiyomizu-dera and the Golden Pavilion. For a taste of historic and majestic Japan, you need go no further than Kyoto.
Bamfosaurus14 04-06-2009 10:16 AM
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yay kyoto!
Don't know a thing about it except the united states won't sign it =P
Knerys 04-06-2009 11:15 AM
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Just to be annoying, is it really in China, though?
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Britain gave it back in 1999.
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7. Kyoto, Japan
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While modern Japan is flourishing in Tokyo, old Japan is still alive and well in Kyoto, the country's cultural capital. Kyoto has 17 UNESCO world heritage sites! This includes the Kiyomizu-dera and the Golden Pavilion. For a taste of historic and majestic Japan, you need go no further than Kyoto.
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Kyoto is beautiful. I want to go back to Japan so badly!
And I better see London on this list!
JheyDC 04-06-2009 11:20 AM
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I have a feeling London will be the top three...
JBond 04-06-2009 03:09 PM
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I've only been to Vegas so far on this list....
I'm more of a US traveler, not a world traveler. (Been to 48 states)
JBond 04-06-2009 03:11 PM
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Rome, Venice, Florence, London, Paris, Cincinnatti...
Big-Lead5 04-06-2009 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JBond (Post 2579470)
I've only been to Vegas so far on this list....
I'm more of a US traveler, not a world traveler. (Been to 48 states)
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Quite few states i only been to about 34 states i belive i been to that many cause i drove across country twice in my life.and drove to fl and back 3 times
IanTheCool 04-06-2009 05:43 PM
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6. Venice, Italy
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There is truly no city like Venice. I mean, come on! Its a city on water! An actual city on water! Sure it may be crowded with tourists, but Venice is truly scenic with boats and gondolas drifting through the Grand Canal, under the Rialto Bridge, waving to onlookers from St. Mark's Square while passing the Doges palace. Venice is unique and is a city that must be seen to be believed.
Doomsday 04-06-2009 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by JBond (Post 2579470)
I've only been to Vegas so far on this list....
I'm more of a US traveler, not a world traveler. (Been to 48 states)
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Which ones have evaded you?
JBond 04-06-2009 06:14 PM
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Alaska and Mississippi (and maybe Alabama...). Those other two might seem weird, but I think I missed that little area in between my road trip to Texas and my road trip to Florida (from Wisconsin, of course).
IanTheCool 04-07-2009 01:07 AM
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5. London, England
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London has a life all its own. There is something there for everyone, whether you like theater, shopping, sports, or historic sites. London has it all. You would be hard pressed to run out of things to do with the Tower of London, Westminster Abbey, Greenwich observatory, Buckingham palace, Hyde park, etc. London's charm shines through with its homey pubs, thriving nightlife, and even its familiar underground "tube". The Tower Bridge and Big Ben light up the skyline alone the Thames so that no one can mistake the great and wonderful city of London.
Alien 04-07-2009 05:50 AM
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London is actually quite boring. I've been there and after a weekend I feel like I've done everything and have no need to go back. If I ever wanted to go see something in the theater then maybe but really that's not likely.
IanTheCool 04-07-2009 11:05 AM
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I love London. It's one of my favorite cities.
JheyDC 04-07-2009 11:09 AM
________________________________________London Baby Yeah!
IanTheCool 04-07-2009 11:09 AM
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4. Rio De Janeiro, Brazil
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This may be a controversial pick because of the heavy violence and dire social issues contained in Rio, yet I put it in because it is a list of cities to visit, not to live. And Rio is the only city in the world to have two World Wonders (one from the 7 man made wonders and 1 from the 7 natural wonders). Christ the Redeemer watches over the city's incredible and unique coastline. And don't forget the world famous Copacabana beach. Visit during Carnivale and this city will definitely earn its #4 place on this list.
JheyDC 04-07-2009 11:15 AM
________________________________________That is an awesome image Ian...
Big-Lead5 04-07-2009 11:15 AM
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I Always thought London would be cool place to see.Rio has never cross my mind at all
Knerys 04-07-2009 12:13 PM
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London was never boring. Always something to do.
FranklinTard 04-07-2009 01:50 PM
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christ the redeemer watches over one of the most violent cities in the world... good thing hes keeping a good eye.
Deexan 04-07-2009 03:24 PM
________________________________________Barça for the win.
IanTheCool 04-07-2009 05:12 PM
________________________________________#3 may be a controversial pick.
IanTheCool 04-07-2009 05:16 PM
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3. Jerusalem, Israel
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This may seem like an odd addition to the list, but hear me out. Jerusalem is one of the oldest and most important cities in the world. For anyone whose spirituality is based in western religion, visiting Jerusalem is sure to have a profound impact. To many people, historic sites such as the Dome of the Rock and the Wailing Wall have much, much more meaning than simply sights to see. The walls and streets of Jerusalem literally glow in the evenings (because of the limestone), but also shines with religious significance for Christians, Jews, and Muslims alike.
JBond 04-07-2009 10:12 PM
________________________________________Been there!
IanTheCool 04-07-2009 11:03 PM
________________________________________Really?
IanTheCool 04-07-2009 11:25 PM
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2. New York City, USA
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If there was to be a capital city of the world declared, chances are it would be New York. The Big Apple is a city all its own. Much like London, there is very little you can't do in New York. Its theater district is thriving, its fashion scene it the top of the line, its sports culture is passionate. As for sight-seeing, New York has endless attractions, the foremost being the Statue of Liberty and the Empire State Building. New York is a city which truly has its own lifeblood.
Ser Ty Of Ross 04-07-2009 11:38 PM
________________________________________#1 is Saskatoon isn't it
JBond 04-08-2009 01:15 AM
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Really?
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I've been all over USA but only two places outside: London and Israel. And we only spent one day in London as a sort of extended lay over, but my family and I stayed in Israel for a couple of weeks with family. (Though technically I've been in Canada, too....and Jordan)
Big-Lead5 04-08-2009 09:40 AM
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Only Countrys out of U.S i been is Mexico and iwas Born on Navy Base in Morocco and i don't even remember it i was baby
IanTheCool 04-08-2009 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by JBond (Post 2580265)
I've been all over USA but only two places outside: London and Israel. And we only spent one day in London as a sort of extended lay over, but my family and I stayed in Israel for a couple of weeks with family. (Though technically I've been in Canada, too....and Jordan)
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That's pretty cool.
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#1 is Saskatoon isn't it
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IanTheCool 04-08-2009 09:55 AM
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1. Rome, Italy
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Rome: the Eternal City. Why is Rome the greatest city to visit? Many reasons. First of all you have the lively, bustling culture of Italian life around you, not to mention to incredible Italian cooking, but you also have a city overflowing with history. The Colosseum is every bit as impressive as it should be, the Forum is a reminder of the great Empire of old, the Pantheon still amazingly intact. And don't forget the Trevi Fountain, Spanish Steps, Ostia Antica, and many other attractions.
And then there is Vatican City, which is almost enough to put Rome as first on the list on its own. St. Peter's Basilica is one of the most amazing feats of architecture I have ever seen. Everything about it is incredible fro the massive front doors to the works of the all-time great artists inside (including Michelangelo's Pieta). And of course the Sistine Chapel with Michelangelo's fantastic artwork.
Rome is one of the most important cities in world history and is still perhaps the the most impressive city to see, for all of the reasons above and more. Visit Rome once and you will be aching to return.
Carnage Escobar 04-08-2009 10:39 AM
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Hell Yes. Good choice, Ian. Italy is by far one of the most gorgeous countries in the world and Rome is one of the many reasons why. Never a dull moment when in Italy.
JBond 04-08-2009 01:41 PM
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Someday I hope to go to Italy, though.
Nice list, Ian.
Ramplate 04-08-2009 01:43 PM
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yeah my nephew studied archetecture in Rome - he loved it there.
I've been to 26 states and Canada, Mexico, Costa Rica, Canary Islands, and Jamaica
Knerys 04-08-2009 03:52 PM
________________________________________I will see Rome before I die.
Jason Krueger 04-08-2009 05:47 PM
________________________________________Clock is ticking.
JheyDC 04-08-2009 06:40 PM
________________________________________Crazy Jason at it again!
IanTheCool 04-09-2009 12:48 AM
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My sister is in Rome right now. Lucky. Or she just was in Rome, anyways.
Knerys 04-09-2009 01:36 PM
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Clock is ticking.
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My grandpa's family was from Rome. Time cannot stop me.
JheyDC 04-09-2009 01:38 PM
________________________________________But time CAN be stopped...
diemos 04-09-2009 04:17 PM
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I wish I could go there, some of my friends said its great.
IanTheCool 04-10-2009 11:51 AM
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Alright, I have a feeling I'm going to get a lot of flack for my next list, since I'm not a big video game guy, but I'm doing it anyways!
Big-Lead5 04-10-2009 11:54 AM
________________________________________Its your list dude.
IanTheCool 04-10-2009 12:13 PM
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The Ten Greatest Video Games of All-Time
10. Grand Theft Auto 3
PS2/XBox/PC
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I really could have thrown up any of the last four GTA games in this position (3, 4, Vice City, San Andreas). I decided to go with the third one because it was the most revolutionary of the highly controversial franchise. What GTA was able to do was create an almost fully-interactive world with its 3D Renderware engine, including non-linear missions radio stations in the cars. Each of the next three GTA games stepped it up a notch, making their worlds even more interactive, but GTA III was the one that really started it off.
Big-Lead5 04-10-2009 12:18 PM
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Good game hope spaced invaders make your list
JheyDC 04-10-2009 12:56 PM
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Or...the very first Mario game on Nintendo..good 'ol days...*tear
Boro 04-10-2009 12:58 PM
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Don't listen to either of these two, there are much better games.
JheyDC 04-10-2009 01:00 PM
________________________________________Ok?
ViRUs 04-10-2009 01:11 PM
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lol, thats right, make your own list. Its off to a good start so far though.
Big-Lead5 04-10-2009 01:14 PM
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Don't listen to either of these two, there are much better games.
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Whats wrong with spaced invaders and Mario brothers? there great games
Boro 04-10-2009 02:53 PM
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There's nothing wrong with either of them (I agree they're both good). However there are better shooters than Space Invaders, and is Super Mario Bros.--neglecting the rest of the platformer genre--even considered one of the better games in the main series?
FranklinTard 04-10-2009 02:59 PM
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no its all about super mario bros 3. but when you package anything with duck hunt, it will be a smash, simple economics.
JheyDC 04-10-2009 03:24 PM
________________________________________ok?
IanTheCool 04-10-2009 04:10 PM
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9. Super Mario Kart
SNES
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Let's ask ourselves, what is the purpose of video games? For fun and enjoyment. Super Mario Kart is engineered for pure, unadulterated fun and is one of the best games to serve that purpose. Its a racing game, but so much more. Even those who don't care for racing games can get into the battle-mode aspects and the competition it breeds. The concept is pretty simple and has proven successful almost every time Nintendo brings it back.
Dhamon22 04-10-2009 04:57 PM
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Yes. Loved that game. Played the hell out of it back in the day. Good choice. I think its the best of all the kart games.
ViRUs 04-10-2009 05:34 PM
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lol, I remember playing that so much too. It was actually better than the one that came out for the 64.
Bamfosaurus14 04-10-2009 05:36 PM
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i know its a little late but i was glad to see New York City #2
but im pretty sure its better than Rome
That might just be the Long Islander in me......
Can't go wrong with Super mario Kart!
IanTheCool 04-10-2009 07:15 PM
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8. Chrono Trigger
SNES
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Chrono Trigger is one of the most influential games in the RPG genre which became extremely popular due to the way it allowed character development throughout the game. Chrono Trigger's fighting platform and story allows it to still be one of the best RPG games out there, despite the exponential growth in video game technology.
ViRUs 04-10-2009 07:42 PM
________________________________________I dont think I've ever played this....
JBond 04-11-2009 12:08 AM
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Gotta love Mario Kart.
I predict "Link to the Past" for best game, unless youre going to go all classic again and make it Pong because it revolutionized video games, or some crap like that.
FranklinTard 04-11-2009 12:39 AM
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awesome fan drawing for chrono trigger. only rpg that really grabbed me.
Justin 04-11-2009 09:54 AM
________________________________________yeah, Chrono Trigger is awesome.
Alien 04-11-2009 10:05 AM
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GTA: Vice City was better than GTA 3 if you ask me. Sure it's not a big change between the games but they took what they had done in 3 and gave it the best story. San Andreas then just went too big and over the top and lost it for me.
Again Super Mario Kart was great but Mario Kart 64 was my favorite.
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awesome fan drawing for chrono trigger. only rpg that really grabbed me.
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Also what pic are you talking about?
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IanTheCool 04-11-2009 10:53 AM
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7. Tetris
Multiple Systems
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Move over Rubik's Cube. Abstract puzzle games had their new champion when a Russian computer programmer developed Tetris, which spread throughout Russia and eventually throughout the world. Tetris has the ability to span all gamer groups (including non-gamers) and all generations. It has become one of the most recognizable games in popular culture today and let's face it, its still fun to play every time you sit down in front of it.
Big-Lead5 04-11-2009 10:54 AM
________________________________________Tetris way too fun i love this game
FranklinTard 04-11-2009 10:59 AM
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Also what pic are you talking about?
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truly what am i talking about... forgot about the cover.
Jason Krueger 04-11-2009 11:00 AM
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I remember when I was really young I didn't quite understand tetris, I thought you had to build stuff and I got mad cause I kept losing, then when I got my first cell phone I had the game on there and I finally figured out what you were suppose to do and HOLY CRAP! That game was addicting, I'd play it all the time, fun to just pass the time and then my phone broke.....
IanTheCool 04-11-2009 12:42 PM
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6. Half-Life 2
PC
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Half-life 2 made massive advancements in video game technology and is one of the most critically-acclaimed games there has ever been. Half-life 2 has been described as "a masterpiece" and "a work of art in the genre" -IGN. It is the greatest first-person shooter ever made and one of the most flawless video games to date.
Justin 04-11-2009 12:53 PM
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one of my favorite games. nice choice...
IanTheCool 04-11-2009 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by JBond (Post 2581788)
Gotta love Mario Kart.
I predict "Link to the Past" for best game, unless youre going to go all classic again and make it Pong because it revolutionized video games, or some crap like that.
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Yes, pong. You guessed it. I can't get anything past you guys.
Alien 04-11-2009 12:56 PM
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I've only played Half -Life 2 on the Orange Box on thexBox 360 and really it seemed kinda average for a first person shooter.
FranklinTard 04-11-2009 01:00 PM
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yea but half life pretty much invented the physics engine that is used in basically, all games nowadays.
JBond 04-11-2009 01:13 PM
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Never played Half-Life, but I heard good things.
I assume BattleToads will be on the list somewhere!
Justin 04-11-2009 01:14 PM
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This too:
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JBond 04-11-2009 01:15 PM
________________________________________And Exciteabike.
Deexan 04-11-2009 02:46 PM
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Still play snes mario kart on a weekly basis, my only problem being that the single player gets boring pretty quickly. For multiplayer though it is #1.
IanTheCool 04-11-2009 07:56 PM
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5. Super Mario Bros.
NES
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Alright, yes there were video games before Mario: pong, space invaders, pac man. But let's face it; Super Mario Bros. was when video games really began. This is the quintessential video game with the greatest legacy in the history of the entire industry. And tis just one hell of a fun game. Its simple side-scrolling enterntainment which can still hold its own against all of the high-graphics, multi-interactive games of today. Super Mario Bros. is the classic of all classics.
JBond 04-11-2009 09:42 PM
________________________________________Do-do do do-do DO...do.
IanTheCool 04-12-2009 12:05 PM
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4. Final Fantasy VII
PS/PC
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The seventh installment of the popular RPG series set a new standard for video games when it was released. The story, gameplay, graphics, and sound are all top-notch, combining together to make one of the most outstanding video game experiences one could have. The story is what really stands out tough, with its cinematic cut-scenes backed up by an incredible soundtrack.
Dracula 04-12-2009 12:20 PM
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I was always more into FF8, but I can see why 7 was a bit more influential.
JBond 04-12-2009 02:01 PM
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I never played a FF game, I'm sorry to say. And I'm thinking maybe Ocarina of Time should be #1 instead of Link to the Past. Not that it's better, per se...
IanTheCool 04-12-2009 02:21 PM
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3. Metal Gear Solid
PS
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Konami's tactical espionage game blew gamers away with its storyline and tactile gameplay. MGS has lead to three sequels, each of which has added to the graphics and improving in various aspects of the game. Everything about Metal Gear works; the primary character Solid Snake who is now one of the most popular VG characters, the engaging, rich, and almost philosophical storyline, the evasive stealth gameplay as opposed to just shooting everything you see, it all works brilliantly.
JBond 04-12-2009 02:25 PM
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I only played Metal Gear for the NES...which is probably different than this one.
Justin 04-12-2009 02:30 PM
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nice choices; FFVII was my favorite, and of course I love MGS.
IanTheCool 04-12-2009 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by JBond (Post 2582263)
I only played Metal Gear for the NES...which is probably different than this one.
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Yeah, a little different, yet the basis for MGS was laid out by Metal Gear. The whole stealth play mode was started with the NES game, but with playstation they were really able to take that idea and just make it great. I recommend playing any of the MGS games. They're fantastic.
Alien 04-12-2009 05:11 PM
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I only played Metal Gear Solid for the N64, or was it the Gamecube. They re-mixed some of the music, re-voiced some characters and made it look a little cooler.
Dracula 04-12-2009 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Alien (Post 2582311)
I only played Metal Gear Solid for the N64, or was it the Gamecube. They re-mixed some of the music, re-voiced some characters and made it look a little cooler.
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i'm pretty sure you're talking about The Twin Snakes on the Gamecube. A remake similar in nature to the GC Resident Evil remake. It did more than a little tweaking, it basicly remade the whole game using the MGS2 technology.
The game was NEVER ported to the N64
Alien 04-12-2009 06:00 PM
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Really? I thought it was just a port. But yeah that's the game.
Dracula 04-12-2009 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Alien (Post 2582325)
Really? I thought it was just a port. But yeah that's the game.
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Yeah, the graphics are vastly improved in the GC version
There are also new gameplay addition like first person shooting abilities (which arguably ruined some of the boss fights)
The voice acting is re-recorded, though they're the same actors. The story is more or less the same.
Carnage Escobar 04-12-2009 10:46 PM
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Ah, the best game ever for the Playstation. Excellent choice, oddly enough, it's also on my #3 of favorite video games of all time. It set the bar for video games with deeper storylines.
IanTheCool 04-12-2009 11:19 PM
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2. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
N64
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Nintendo's adaption of their popular Zelda series to 3D turned out being a masterpiece of the video game genre. Ocarina of Time is constantly popping up at the top of Top Ten lists by all sorts of video game experts. The imaginative and philosophical world of Hyrule became more interactive than ever, providing one of the highest forms of entertainment electronic gaming has ever provided.
Carnage Escobar 04-12-2009 11:40 PM
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Oh wow, I'm surprised you didn't put this at #1. Now I'm curious as all hell.
Ser Ty Of Ross 04-13-2009 09:38 AM
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I'm guessing Starcraft, mind you I probobly wouldn't have picked half of what\s here
Of course the other option would be Pac Man
Justin 04-13-2009 09:57 AM
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i remember spending days on that game...love it
ViRUs 04-13-2009 10:10 AM
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yeah me too, I played that game so much and loved every second of it.
IanTheCool 04-13-2009 10:51 AM
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1. Super Mario Bros. 3
NES
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That's right, fir the number 1 pick I did not go with the game with the most high-tech graphics and technical elements or the most deep and involving storyline. I went with a game that is just pure fun with bright, vibrant and colourful visuals, which is good for all time zones and can span across generations. The release of Super Mario Bros. 3 was a big deal back in 1989 and its release managed to take video games up to a whole new epic level.
The eight lands and maps of the Mushroom Kingdom were able to truly create a rich, engaging world. Many new elements were added to the Mario gameplay, all of which worked brilliantly. It may have been twenty years ago, but Mario 3 is still the greatest game ever made.
ViRUs 04-13-2009 10:53 AM
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That was a good game, I remember I would play that so much too. I knew every shortcut and everything. I could beat this game in like a half an hour.
Good list Ian.
Boro 04-13-2009 11:27 AM
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Not a bad list, but I don't agree with a lot of these.
VII gets a lot of the spot light, but FF VI, VIII, and IX are all better.
Majora's Mask is a better game then OoT in just about every way, and I think if you're going to think about going with OoT you might as well just pick Link to the Past instead.
I'm glad to see Chrono Trigger and Metal Gear Solid on here though, and I'm glad to see GoldenEye wasn't.
Glad to see Super Mario Bros. 3 (World would have been a good choice too) as well, not sure how I feel about it being number 1.
Not a fan of Tetris, Super Mario Bros, or Super Mario Kart on there either.
Where is the love for Super Metroid?
IanTheCool 04-13-2009 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Boro (Post 2582561)
Not a bad list, but I don't agree with a lot of these.
VII gets a lot of the spot light, but FF VI, VIII, and IX are all better.
Majora's Mask is a better game then OoT in just about every way, and I think if you're going to think about going with OoT you might as well just pick Link to the Past instead.
I'm glad to see Chrono Trigger and Metal Gear Solid on here though, and I'm glad to see GoldenEye wasn't.
Glad to see Super Mario Bros. 3 (World would have been a good choice too) as well, not sure how I feel about it being number 1.
Not a fan of Tetris, Super Mario Bros, or Super Mario Kart on there either.
Where is the love for Super Metroid?
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If I ever get around to extending the list, super metroid will probably be pretty close to the top ten.
JheyDC 04-13-2009 12:19 PM
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Yes! Awesome last 5 there...I knew Super Mario made your list and Ocarina of Time..awesome game right there! Oh the effort I put in remembering all the C-Key combos for Link's Ocarina...lol
Big-Lead5 04-13-2009 12:47 PM
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Great List Ian i love Super Mario Bros 3
Justin 04-13-2009 12:48 PM
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i don't remember super mario 3 that well, perhaps i'll rectify that....
and good choice with ocarina of time.
JheyDC 04-13-2009 12:54 PM
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You should..does your Nintendo still work Justin?
Justin 04-13-2009 12:56 PM
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i only have a SNES and it's back home. i'll probably download an emulator.
JheyDC 04-13-2009 01:08 PM
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IC...you should definitely check it out...worth it...
JBond 04-13-2009 01:44 PM
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Good list, Ian.
I may have included Goldeneye and Super Metroid in mine. Perhaps Mario 64, as well.
IanTheCool 04-13-2009 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by JBond (Post 2582664)
Good list, Ian.
I may have included Goldeneye and Super Metroid in mine. Perhaps Mario 64, as well.
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Mario 64 was close. Its probably 11.
MasterChief117 04-13-2009 02:00 PM
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These are all good but I would like to see some more 'today' games in there. I do agree on a few but most of the list is not my thing.
JheyDC 04-13-2009 02:03 PM
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^ That's why the thread is called Ian's Top Ten Thread
IanTheCool 04-13-2009 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by JheyDC (Post 2582680)
^ That's why the thread is called Ian's Top Ten Thread
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Well, I do try to make objective lists. His criticism is valid, but I don't really know if any really recent games would make the cut myself.
Knerys 04-13-2009 02:50 PM
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Nice list. Interesting choices and absolutely worthy.
Alien 04-13-2009 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by IanTheCool (Post 2582407)
2. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
N64
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Nintendo's adaption of their popular Zelda series to 3D turned out being a masterpiece of the video game genre. Ocarina of Time is constantly popping up at the top of Top Ten lists by all sorts of video game experts. The imaginative and philosophical world of Hyrule became more interactive than ever, providing one of the highest forms of entertainment electronic gaming has ever provided.
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I could never complete that game on my own no matter how many time I've tried. The Water Temple just becomes a maze and I can't find keys that are needed to get past it. I've finnished the game because a friend showed me what to do but on replaying it I couldn't remember where the damned keys were.
JheyDC 04-13-2009 03:31 PM
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LOL that's funny Alien...Yeah..I remember going through that...
JBond 04-13-2009 03:56 PM
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The Water Temple was frusterating, yes. Was anyone ever able to catch the "Lunker fish" or whatever that roamed on the bottom of the fishing pond? I got the sinking lure and tried it, but nothing ever worked....I always wondered what would happen if you got it.
Justin 04-13-2009 04:00 PM
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i don't remember that, but the water temple was the most frustrating temple for me as well....
iv3rdawG 04-13-2009 04:02 PM
________________________________________VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:
JBond 04-13-2009 04:08 PM
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I always loved the Gerudo Valley music, I even learned it on guitar.
iv3rdawG 04-13-2009 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JBond (Post 2582810)
I always loved the Gerudo Valley music, I even learned it on guitar.
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VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:
JheyDC 04-14-2009 09:58 AM
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IanTheCool 04-14-2009 11:53 AM
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The Ten Best Simpsons Episodes
10. Summer of 4 Ft. 2
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Usually I groan a little inside when I see a Lisa-centric episode come on, but the seventh season finale is definitely the best they have done with Lisa's stories. As she explores who she is and the reason for her unpopularity, she makes friends at the lake and begins to realize that maybe its not about how you dress yourself up but more about how confidant you are in yourself. And even though it is Lisa's story, Homer is also in top-notch comedic form, especially with his illegal fireworks.
ViRUs 04-14-2009 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by JBond (Post 2582801)
The Water Temple was frusterating, yes. Was anyone ever able to catch the "Lunker fish" or whatever that roamed on the bottom of the fishing pond? I got the sinking lure and tried it, but nothing ever worked....I always wondered what would happen if you got it.
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Yeah, I think I got it. I think all you got was a heart piece or something. I dont really remember it being anything major.
I remember that episode of the Simpsons too, those were the days...
diemos 04-14-2009 01:29 PM
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iv3rdawG 04-14-2009 01:31 PM
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Yeah that was a good one. The part where Homer, Marge and Bart are playing the board game with Milhouse and Bart gets "The Dud" who looks exactly like Milhouse is so great :funny:. Christina Ricci was good too.
"Who does he think he is, Dennis the Menace?"
Justin 04-14-2009 01:33 PM
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JBond 04-14-2009 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ViRUs (Post 2583187)
Yeah, I think I got it. I think all you got was a heart piece or something. I dont really remember it being anything major.
I remember that episode of the Simpsons too, those were the days...
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Nah, I got all of the heart pieces. This was after you caught a big fish or something, anyway it doens't matter.
And that episode was pretty good, but I doubt it'd be in my top ten.
IanTheCool 04-14-2009 02:55 PM
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9. Who Shot Mr. Burns? (part 1)
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The Simpsons' Take on the famous Dallas season ending cliffhanger saw Mr. Burns in the J.R. role with all of the town members as suspects in the shooting. This episode sets up a wonderful atmosphere of foreboding with many classic moments as each of the characters explores their dark sides. The first part of the only two-part episodes in Simpsons history left us guessing all summer, and even now that we know, the episode is still one of the best there is.
ViRUs 04-14-2009 03:39 PM
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lol, i loved this one.
Dr. Hibbert: "I dont know who shot Mr. Burns. Do you?" *points at camera*
Wiggum: "Uh, well..... I could take a guess, afterall, it is my job....."
priceless
IanTheCool 04-14-2009 08:21 PM
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8. Homer Vs. The 18th Amendment
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Homer as the beer baron, Rex Banner, Moe's pet shop, this episode has tons of great gags. Homer fighting against prohibition provides some great entertainment, including one of The Simpsons' most heavily quoted lines; "To Alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems."
Big-Lead5 04-14-2009 08:28 PM
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That was good 1 i lke how they put booze in bowling bowls going to moes.
iv3rdawG 04-14-2009 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by iv3rdawG (Post 2583197)
The part where Homer, Marge and Bart are playing the board game with Milhouse and Bart gets "The Dud" who looks exactly like Milhouse is so great :funny:.
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Haha, found a picture:
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:lol:
JheyDC 04-15-2009 09:48 AM
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Homer truly is talented and very clever
IanTheCool 04-15-2009 11:09 AM
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7. Rosebud
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The Simpsons' take on Citizen Kane has Mr. Burns pining away for his long-lost teddy bear Bobo, which falls in the arms of Maggie Simpson. Now Homer must decide between rewards and riches and the happiness of his daughter. Rosebud is a great example of when the show's storytelling and writing was the best in the business. And this one can tug at the heart-strings as well.
JBond 04-15-2009 02:14 PM
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Rosebud's a good one.
Would you mind if I did my own Simpsons top 10 list and posted it here?
diemos 04-15-2009 04:00 PM
________________________________________that's great, lol.
IanTheCool 04-15-2009 04:24 PM
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6. Homer at the Bat
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Homer finally gains respect at the slugger on the power plant's softball team, until Daryl Strawberry comes along. This episode really had it all; funny guest star cameos, great gags, movie parodies, and of course that incredibly catchy theme song during the end credits. This was one of the Simpsons' best as it came into its prime.
IanTheCool 04-15-2009 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by JBond (Post 2583668)
Rosebud's a good one.
Would you mind if I did my own Simpsons top 10 list and posted it here?
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Yeah, once I'm done mine, feel free to thrown yours up.
JBond 04-15-2009 04:45 PM
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Daaaaaaaaaryl.......Daaaaaaaaaryl........
Tornado 04-15-2009 04:47 PM
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You Only Move Twice better be in the top 5! [shakes fist]
ViRUs 04-15-2009 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by JBond (Post 2583743)
Daaaaaaaaaryl.......Daaaaaaaaaryl........
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Kids, thats not going to phase him, he's a professional athlete.
*Tear rolls down cheek*
good stuff
PG Cooper 04-15-2009 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ViRUs (Post 2583753)
Kids, thats not going to phase him, he's a professional athlete.
*Tear rolls down cheek*
good stuff
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Best Part of the episode!
JBond 04-15-2009 08:02 PM
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Or when they arrest Steve Sax just because he's from NY and there are a lot of murders down there.
"You just don't know when to keep your mouth shut, do you?"
IanTheCool 04-16-2009 12:01 AM
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5. Homer's Barbershop Quartet
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Ah, the B Sharps. This hilarious look into Homer's past as a barbershop superstar is one of the best episodes the show has come up with for sure. Gearge Harrison has a great cameo, back when cameos actually meant something and flowed naturally with the story, unlike now when they are just there to showcase whatever celebrity needs attention at the moment.
This episode is full of great moments from beginning to end, and let's face it; "Baby on Board" is catchy.
JheyDC 04-16-2009 09:31 AM
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Alien 04-16-2009 09:38 AM
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Homer:
Hmm, "Baby on Board..." [sings]
Baby On Board,
Something something, Burt Ward...
[spoken] This thing writes itself!
IanTheCool 04-16-2009 11:52 AM
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4. Cape Feare
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Sideshow Bob episodes were like that special dessert when you were a kid that you were only allowed to have every once in a while but couldn't wait until the next time. And Cape Feare was the best of the lot. Cape Feare was able to set up a ton of laughs in a great brooding atmosphere. And who could forget such gags as the "Hello Mr. Thompson" bit and Homer's hockey mask and chain saw.
And the rakes. Ahhhhhh, the rakes.
Big-Lead5 04-16-2009 11:54 AM
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iv3rdawG 04-16-2009 12:15 PM
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"BART YOU WANT TO SEE MY NEW CHAINSAW AND HOCKEY MASK?!"
JBond 04-16-2009 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by iv3rdawG (Post 2584157)
"BART YOU WANT TO SEE MY NEW CHAINSAW AND HOCKEY MASK?!"
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That right there represents my favorite part in ALL of Simpsons. Also, if you listen to the commentary you'll learn that Conan O'Brien came up with that joke.
IanTheCool 04-16-2009 01:57 PM
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3. Flaming Moe's
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What Flaming Moe's does is it sets up a tone and atmosphere in the episode which is almost unique. Moe's tavern has suddenly become the hip place to be, with Aerosmith playing almost every night and resembling the lifestyle of Cheers. A solid episode from beginning to end, one of the best the Simpsons has to offer.
JBond 04-16-2009 05:09 PM
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Yeah, that's a good one. I like the Cheers/Moe song.
Alien 04-16-2009 05:14 PM
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I really hate the Flaming Moe episode, I'd love a drink that worked that way though.
IanTheCool 04-16-2009 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Alien (Post 2584360)
I really hate the Flaming Moe episode, I'd love a drink that worked that way though.
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You hate it? Really? Why?
IanTheCool 04-16-2009 05:41 PM
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2. Marge vs. The Monorail
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Sometimes the Simpsons manages to reach heights of pure comedic genius, as the did with the story of how Springfield tried to rejuvenate their city with a monorail doomed for disaster. Everything that makes The Simpsons great is present in this episode, hilarious gags, great storytelling, guest stars (Nimoy and Hartman), satire, a comical musical number, and so on. One of the greatest 30 minutes television has to offer.
Tornado 04-16-2009 05:46 PM
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^ Yes. Marge Vs. the Monorail is probably my favorite episode of the series.
JBond 04-16-2009 06:41 PM
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Yeah, I thought that one might be near the top. Good ol' Conan, again.
"A solar eclipse; the cosmic ballet continues..."
"Does anyone want to switch seats?"
Good Phil Hartman episode, too.
Dracula 04-16-2009 06:58 PM
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Looks like my favorite episode will either be #1 or off the list
JBond 04-16-2009 07:06 PM
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Yeah, I don't have much hope for mine, either.
Ser Ty Of Ross 04-16-2009 11:28 PM
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My fave (Cape Feare) is already here... so there
IanTheCool 04-17-2009 02:10 AM
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1. Last Exit to Springfield
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When Homer leads a strike at the power plant in order to win a dental plan, he manages to fool Mr. Burns into believing he is one of the greatest minds he's ever met. We, of course, no different. Even Matt Groening himself has acknowledged Last Exit to Springfield as the best Simpsons episode. It has been called "flawless" and "the funniest half-hour in TV history" and is even studied in sociology classes at Berkeley. This is the episode which proves just ho great The Simpsons truly is.
Dracula 04-17-2009 06:47 AM
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I was hoping that "Homer's Enemy" would make it, that to me is easily the greatest.
JheyDC 04-17-2009 09:52 AM
________________________________________Awesome Simpson list Ian.
ViRUs 04-17-2009 11:42 AM
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good list, I'm sure I've seen Last Exit to Springfield, but I cant recall much about it.
Marge Vs the Monorail though, that was a great one.
IanTheCool 04-17-2009 01:03 PM
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Jbond I believe was hoping to do a Simpsons list as well.
JBond 04-17-2009 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by IanTheCool (Post 2584542)
1. Last Exit to Springfield.
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Dental Plan!
Lisa needs braces!
Dental Plan!
Lisa needs braces!
Dental Plan!
Lisa needs braces!
Dental Plan!
Lisa needs braces!
Dental Plan!
Lisa needs braces!
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Originally Posted by Dracula (Post 2584576)
I was hoping that "Homer's Enemy" would make it, that to me is easily the greatest.
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Which one is that? Grimey?
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Originally Posted by IanTheCool (Post 2584714)
Jbond I believe was hoping to do a Simpsons list as well.
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I probably will, but I'm not in a rush.
Dracula 04-17-2009 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by JBond (Post 2584813)
Which one is that? Grimey?
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yes, Grimey
JBond 04-17-2009 09:34 PM
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Dracula 04-17-2009 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by JBond (Post 2584889)
Some call that the worst episode.
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really? why?
JBond 04-17-2009 10:18 PM
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Because it revolved around a character on the outside of "The Simpsons" looking in and pointing out the ridiculousness of their lives, and in essence, the show itself.
Of course, no sane person who watched any episode from the last 5 years would say that it was the worst, but the episode splits many fans.
halo7 04-17-2009 10:45 PM
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My favorite episode is Lisa's First Word.
Dracula 04-17-2009 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by JBond (Post 2584914)
Because it revolved around a character on the outside of "The Simpsons" looking in and pointing out the ridiculousness of their lives, and in essence, the show itself.
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but... but... that's why it's brilliant
JBond 04-17-2009 10:57 PM
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Like I said, it splits people. I like the episode for the most part.
bbf2 04-18-2009 12:25 AM
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My favorite episode is "Kill the Alligator and Run."
Deexan 04-18-2009 02:15 PM
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I would probably put the baseball one at the top of my list, but all those mentioned are gold. 'Homer Goes to College' is one that'd be in my top 5 methinks.
IanTheCool 04-22-2009 01:13 AM
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Alright, JBond wants to do a Simpsons list but until he's ready I'm going to move onto my next list, which is the ten most influential people of the 19th century.
As some of you know, I made a thread a while back about the most influential people of the 20th century and then formulated a Top 100 list. If anyone is interested in taht list, here is the thread. forums.comingsoon.net/showthr...ntury&page =5
Anyways, I though that since I did that list I should go a little further back and do it for the century before. So that is the next list.
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Ian's Top Ten Thread
Alright, here's a thread I'm going to try out. This is what its about: I'm going to go through a number of top ten lists I've complied on a number of various things. I really like countdown lists for some reason, as do many other people, so I think it could be fun. I have a number of lists planned.
I'm going to reveal the countdowns one at a time and hopefully get some discussion going, whether you agree with me or not whether the picks should be included in the list. After the ten are revealed feel free to discuss how the list should be changed.
I have tried to make these lists as objective as possible. I have tried not to let my own personal tastes, preferences and biases influence the lists. That's not an easy thing to do, however, but I have tried. So remember that when you critique these lists that they should be as free from subjectivity as possible.
IanTheCool 03-07-2009 05:24 PM
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The Ten Most Influential Films
10. Toy Story (1995)
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Toy Story was the first full-length CG animated feature film which went on to be a huge success. It spawned the recent Pixar empire (and arguably the death of Disney) and ushered in a whole new era of animated films, giving us such modern classics as Shrek, Finding Nemo, and WallE.
CG animation will only grow larger as the years go on, and Toy Story may only grow in influence as the Snow White of CG animation.
JBond 03-07-2009 05:35 PM
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Toy Story's an important one. Though I don't know if there's only 9 that are more influential in all of moviedom...
Ramplate 03-07-2009 05:48 PM
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Disney didn't die - it ate Pixar lol
I think at the time Don Bluth leaving Disney made them sweat more
JBond 03-07-2009 06:08 PM
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And I'm sure you didn't mean that Shrek was Pixar...right? Just the technology?
IanTheCool 03-07-2009 06:24 PM
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And I'm sure you didn't mean that Shrek was Pixar...right? Just the technology?
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ZombieMan 03-07-2009 07:03 PM
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I am biting my lip but I have to say it anyhow...
Rocky to me is a very inspirational film.
IanTheCool 03-07-2009 07:14 PM
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I am biting my lip but I have to say it anyhow...
Rocky to me is a very inspirational film.
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This is more of a list aimed at influence towards the realm and history of filmmaking, not so much for inspiration of individuals.
IanTheCool 03-07-2009 07:42 PM
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9. 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
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2001 is a film that was ahead of its time. Hell, its still ahead of the present time. There is no other movie like it. It is a landmark film for both the science fiction genre and for the industry, yet it is much more than that as well.
JBond 03-07-2009 08:29 PM
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If it's still ahead of its time, how has it been influential?
Landmark, sure, but not influential. Nobody's made a movie like this since. Perhaps it gave us one of the first scientific approaches to sci-fi with zero sound in space and believeable predictions about man in space in general.Dracula 03-07-2009 08:31 PM
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2001 is one of those movies that acted as a game changer for its genre, not unlike Spartacus, The Exorcist, and The Dark Knight.
JBond 03-07-2009 08:32 PM
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I could believe that if I could name 3 "pure" sci-fi films since.
Dracula 03-07-2009 08:37 PM
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I could believe that if I could name 3 "pure" sci-fi films since.
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Hmmm...
Not entirely sure what qualifies as "pure." Maybe Solaris, Blade Runner, Dark City, Battlestar Galactica. I meant more that 2001 was a movie that took its genre seriously at long last and brought it out of the B-movie ghetto.
Bamfosaurus14 03-07-2009 09:57 PM
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How can you say 2001 wasn't influential
2001 the Space Odyssey brought the science fiction movie miles away from the B-movie alien and horror flicks of the 1950's and 60's, and pushed the genre leaps and bounds ahead.
JBond 03-07-2009 10:12 PM
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I guess I just never saw it that way. But perhaps I overreacted.
I've never been that pleased with the sci-fi movie genre as a whole. No one uses it to its full potential.
Bamfosaurus14 03-07-2009 10:19 PM
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Well i do agree with that statement, Sci-Fi is totally underdeveloped as a genre, probably why it is looked down upon by so many people
Dracula 03-07-2009 10:21 PM
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It was also one of the first movies to really get serious with special effects, to make things look "real" instead of "wink wink, just go with it, real"
JBond 03-07-2009 10:23 PM
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Heh, that's a good way of putting it. OK, you're convincing me. If sci-fi was a larger genre, it would be fair on a top 10 of all movies.
It probably led to the Alien series, as well.
Bamfosaurus14 03-07-2009 10:25 PM
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JBond 03-07-2009 10:36 PM
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Probably...I dunno, I think it depends on how you think of "influence." I didn't agree with it on the list because I don't see this movie in other movies. However, I do agree that without it, there would be many movies we don't have. Most modern sci-fi movies. But none of them are really anything like it.
Dracula 03-07-2009 10:39 PM
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But none of them are really anything like it.
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Solaris, Sunshine, Alien...
JBond 03-07-2009 10:45 PM
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Solaris is one movie and not that huge, Sunshine is pretty recent. But sure, there are some. But I'm done arguing this.
IanTheCool 03-08-2009 01:00 AM
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Yeah, fair arguments. But like Dracula said, it really made special effects serious business.
IanTheCool 03-08-2009 01:11 AM
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8. King Kong (1933)
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Ask almost any film-maker out there what movies made them want to make movies themselves, and King Kong may possibly be on each list. This film was a true landmark for the adventure that movies could provide. It also took special effects to a new level and legitimized the monster movie. This film turns generations of kids into movie lovers and for that it take s a spot on this list.
JBond 03-08-2009 01:46 AM
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Ahh, good choice. A landmark in special effects as well as stop-motion. The movie's over 70 years old and it wasn't a one-dimensional monster movie and it's still exciting today.
ZombieMan 03-08-2009 09:11 AM
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This is more of a list aimed at influence towards the realm and history of filmmaking, not so much for inspiration of individuals.
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Ahhhhh, gotcha.
IanTheCool 03-08-2009 11:08 AM
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Ahhhhh, gotcha.
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Inspiring movies could be an interesting list though. However, very personal, so it could be quite hard to do.
IanTheCool 03-08-2009 11:49 AM
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7. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1938)
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Hollywood's first animated feature film. Snow White made animation popular and kicked off an entirely new medium for stories to be told at the movies. It also set up Disney's dominance in the animation business for decades, allowing it to be one of thee biggest empires of modern time.
Big-Lead5 03-08-2009 12:10 PM
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Classic for sure i love all those old Disney movies .Bambi,Peter Pan,Dumbo
IanTheCool 03-08-2009 04:24 PM
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6. The Wizard of Oz (1939)
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Not many movies can claim to have captured the imagination of as many people as The Wizard of Oz. The true magic of film-making was seen on a level it had never been experienced before this movie came out. This is a landmark family film which changed what people believed movies could do.
On a more technical note, this was also the first movie shown on network television. That's not why it has this position on the list, but its worth noting regardless.
Dogbert0228 03-08-2009 05:16 PM
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The plot structure and pacing of Oz always felt perfect to me from a storytelling and film making perspective. The set-up in Kansas, initial conflict with boring home/mean neighbor, conflict with storm, introduction to a new place, conflict with witch, and then the journey kicks off, with the three main encounters, all the while we the audience see the witch plotting, then the final encounters at the castle and Emerald City, with the "arrival" back home, and the unanswered question about the adventure/dream.
I feel like this film allowed for an epic like LotR to be able to translate to the screen, because for all its complexity, LotR had an Oz-like simplicity at its heart and the basic narrative was always kept intact.
But what the hell do I know?
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IanTheCool 03-09-2009 12:11 AM
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5. Star Wars (1977)
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When that Star Destroyer came roaring down from the top of the screen and over the head of the audience, the face of cinema was changed forever. Star Wars was a huge turning point for the movie industry, and not only for its revolutionary effects, sound and musical score and the fact that it created possibly the biggest movie franchise to date with legions of fans. Star Wars changed the direction of the 'dark' 60's and 70's realist films and brought a new wave of fun and adventure to the theater.
Bamfosaurus14 03-09-2009 03:24 PM
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I agree, Star Wars was a very importnat movie, but number five on the list?
I'm not so sure.
IanTheCool 03-09-2009 05:45 PM
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4. The Jazz Singer (1927)
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There has been no bigger turning point in film history than the introduction of the 'talkie'. When sound was introduced, it completely changed the nature of movies.
From what I hear, the Jazz Singer was a mediocre movie and actually only had a line or two of dialogue, but none the less it was the first film with sound, giving it very high significance historically.
IanTheCool 03-09-2009 05:46 PM
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You don't think it should be that high Bamf?
JBond 03-09-2009 05:51 PM
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halo7 03-09-2009 05:52 PM
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Is that guy black-face?
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No, that is Chewie.
JBond 03-09-2009 06:02 PM
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Dracula 03-09-2009 07:22 PM
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From what I hear, the Jazz Singer was a mediocre movie and actually only had a line or two of dialogue, but none the less it was the first film with sound, giving it very high significance historically.
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It had a handfull of sound musical sequences and about two lines of non-lyrical speaking between a pair of songs. The rest is silent, and not very good.
And yeah, the guy is black-face.
Ramplate 03-10-2009 12:19 AM
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IanTheCool 03-10-2009 11:15 AM
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3. The Battleship Potemkin (1925)
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Sergei Eisenstein's Soviet celebration film has made some significant contributions to film-making. First of all, it was revolutionary in terms of editing techniques. Potemkin showed how short, quick clips could be put together in the right way so as to tell a fluent story. Editing is one of the biggest components of movie-making and Potemkin is the film which really showed the power in it.
Potemkin also showed the political influence that film can have through promoting the values of the film-makers. In this case it was the Soviet revolution in Russia, starting off an important time period of film propaganda.
Dracula 03-10-2009 02:52 PM
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3. The Battleship Potemkin (1925)
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Sergei Eisenstein's Soviet celebration film has made some significant contributions to film-making. First of all, it was revolutionary in terms of editing techniques. Potemkin showed how short, quick clips could be put together in the right way so as to tell a fluent story. Editing is one of the biggest components of movie-making and Potemkin is the film which really showed the power in it.
Potemkin also showed the political influence that film can have through promoting the values of the film-makers. In this case it was the Soviet revolution in Russia, starting off an important time period of film propaganda.
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The first one on here that I agree with 100%
IanTheCool 03-10-2009 07:26 PM
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2. The Birth of a Nation (1915)
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The first epic full-length features which was really the granddaddy of the movie industry. Yes, its racist as all else, but it is what it is, and it doesn't change the fact that it is one of the most important movies made, simply because it really set up what movies were to become.
JBond 03-10-2009 08:27 PM
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I knew this would be your #2 or #1. Again, I feel like this is more of a milestone list instead of influence. Like The Jazz Singer. No one looks to that movie when they're about to put dialogue into a movie, that movie just happened to do it first.
Is Citizen Kane next?
IanTheCool 03-10-2009 08:29 PM
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I knew this would be your #2 or #1. Again, I feel like this is more of a milestone list instead of influence. Like The Jazz Singer. No one looks to that movie when they're about to put dialogue into a movie, that movie just happened to do it first.
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That's a good point. I guess milestones were just a part of my thinking when I made this.
Dracula 03-10-2009 08:32 PM
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FYI, I'm respectfully making an alternate list that I'm going to post when this one is done.
IanTheCool 03-10-2009 08:43 PM
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FYI, I'm respectfully making an alternate list that I'm going to post when this one is done.
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Yeah, rock on. That's what I was hoping for.
JBond 03-10-2009 08:52 PM
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I won't make a list, I'd just like to say that my sci-fi representative would have been "The Day the Earth Stood Still", which in my opinion, did a lot more for the sci-fi genre than "2001."
Bamfosaurus14 03-11-2009 09:40 PM
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JBond 03-11-2009 09:42 PM
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Ser Ty Of Ross 03-11-2009 10:58 PM
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Three Amigos
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Are you sure... I thought it was Battleship Earth or Xanadu
Deexan 03-11-2009 11:01 PM
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Dogbert0228 03-11-2009 11:25 PM
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The Adventures of Pluto Nash. Norbit. Nutty Professor 2. Dr. Dolittle 2.
Speaking of Xanadu I just taught the poem "Kubla Khan" to my seniors the other day, and found out that there is massive new mall being built in New Jersey called Xanadu.
IanTheCool 03-12-2009 12:15 AM
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1. Citizen Kane (1941)
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Often considered by many as the best film of all time, Citizen Kane showed what movie making could be at the height of its art form. Whether you are looking at the technical aspect of cinematography and art direction, or whether you look more at the storytelling, Citizen Kane has set a standard which many, many films aspire to reach to this very day.
Dracula 03-12-2009 06:11 PM
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10. Jaws (1975)
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Steven Spielberg’s excellent thriller Jaws is a wonderful piece of cinema, but it doesn’t put a lot onscreen that wasn’t there before. The real innovation here is in the way the movie was marketed. Earlier in the decade box office records had been broken by The Godfather and The Exorcist, but the studios finally figured out the equation for maximum returns with Jaws, and so was ushered in the era of the summer blockbuster. In doing so the studios finally figured out how they were going to turn from an industrial system into a corporate system. Many (including myself) are less than pleased with this result, but it is important nonetheless.
9. Citizen Kane (1941)
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Called the greatest film ever made, and it lives up to the hype. This film’s influence isn’t as easy to explain as some. First of all, the film used a process called deep focus which allows the images to be in focus in both the foreground and background. More importantly this was one of the first movies to have a complicated and massively non-linear storyline complete with a big twist ending. It’s been said that you have to know the everything that came before it in order to understand just how innovative Citizen Kane was, just look at the films that were made in the thirties and you can see.
8. Bonnie and Clyde (1967)
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For decades Hollywood films were at the mercy of the Film Production Code prevented any kind of explicit sex, violence, and language from gracing the cinema screen. Not only that, but the code forced filmmakers into certain story constraints, particularly the rule that all criminals must seek retribution and be punished for their actions. A few movies in the late sixties like Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolfe challenged the code, but it was Arthur Penn’s Bonnie and Clyde which obliterated it with graphic violence and sexual themes. That alone would earn the movie a place on the list, but the film’s rebellious spirit is what really secured its legacy, its use of New Wave techniques in a Hollywood film helped usher in the New Hollywood golden age.
7. Battleship Potemkin (1925)
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Editing, Editing, Editing. That’s what’s important about the work of Sergei Eisenstein. Before this film editing was simply functional, but Eisenstein turned it into an art form unto itself here. Here Eisenstein invented the montage style of editing, and that’s a much grander thing than the mere creation of those sports training montages that the word conjures up today. Any form of rapid editing is indebted to this film, from The Wild Bunch to the Bourne Ultimatum. What’s more every trailer you see is indebted to this, every advertisement, every music video is indebted. Hell, the entire career of Sylvester Stallone is indebted.
6. Rome- Open City (1945)
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Roberto Rossalini’s film is what ushered in a movement called Italian Neo-Realism. Some have said that all of cinema can be divided into two halves: Before Open City and After Open City. That’s a bit of an exaggeration, but there’s no denying the importance of Italian Neo-Realism in the development of cinema. Filmed on the streets of post-war Rome the film was meant as a message to the world about what had become of Italy during the war. This was the first film which used non-actors and documentary techniques to tell a gritty story. People do that all the time now, but this was the first time that a filmmaker deliberately chose to use less than perfect camera work, a tactic people are still doing all the time.
5. Stagecoach (1939)
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Stagecoach is important first for what it did for its genre, and second for what it did for cinema as a whole. Before Stagecoach, westerns were stupid as hell, they were filled with Dudly Do-Right type heroes who would sing a lot of songs. Here westerns went from being Roy Rodgers fodder to being John Wayne fodder and would make them a major genre for decades. This film made the western an A-movie genre, it had the same impact on westerns that The Dark Knight had on comic book movies. But the influence of this goes beyond this one genre, this is basically the beginning to the action movie as a genre, the definitive fun ride which other escapist films would aim to match. Akira Kurosawa was once asked if he was able to make such great compositions because he studied Asian art. His response was that the compositions had nothing to do with studying Asian art and everything to do with studying John Ford. But the influence goes even further, Orson Welles was once asked who his five greatest influences were and his answer was: John Ford, John Ford, John Ford, John Ford, and John Ford.
4. The 400 Blows (1959)
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I could have just as easily picked Godard’s Breathless for this, but I like The 400 Blows better, either way this is mainly here as a representative of the entire French New Wave. This new wave started with a number of film critics who grew tired of the stale rules of filmmaking at the time, to respond they started making movies that broke all the rules. These films would use techniques like tracking shots and jump cuts in brave ways that they hadn’t been used before. There was an iconoclastic energy to the films which would open up cinema to looser cinematic rules. They were a direct influence on the entire New Hollywood movement and their lasting influence can be seen in the works of directors like Quentin Tarentino (Pulp Fiction apes the new wave as openly as Kill Bill apes from Kung Fu cinema) and Wes Anderson.
3. M (1931)
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Fritz Lang’s M is a landmark firstly because it offered the first realistic serial killer in screen history. Peter Lorre’s portrayal of the film’s murderer was iconic, and the film’s focus on a child murderer opened the door for other unsavory subject matter. The film is also the first realistic police procedural and one of the first movies to look at a social issue on a large city-wide scale. The film’s visual style was a huge influence on later Noir styling, arguably it was the first entry of that whole genre. Finally it was also the first great sound film and the first movie to really perfect the process of sound filmmaking.
2. Un Chien Andalu (1929)
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In the mediums early days, film was seen as little more than an amusing sideshow enjoyed by the lower-class masses, but when respected surreal artists Salvador Dali and Luis Bunuel put together this fifteen minute bombshell the medium had the attention of the art world, and the hatred of everybody else. This was the first movie that aimed to antagonize and alienate its audience rather than amuse. The surrealists were like artistic terrorists who aimed to offend. With the film they were able to make an artistic statement that was just as profound and provocative as any of their paintings, thus proving that film just as viable a medium provoke and offend as any other. What this movie managed to do was turn film into serious business. It moved cinema out of the sideshow and into the art gallery.
1. Birth of a Nation (1915)
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I could have filled this list entirely with silent films, and this was the granddaddy of them all. There is no doubt that this is a very unsavory film, it is a vile, racist piece of work. But if you can separate the film’s unfortunate world view from its cinematic accomplishments, what you’re left with is the father of all cinema. This was made in 1915, think about that for a second, that was early in the Woodrow Wilson administration and the Ford Model-T was the most sophisticated mode of transportation. Every movie up to this point had been extremely short little curiosities, many without any plot to speak of. In that setting, this 190 minute epic was released, the first feature film. This was an attempt to recount the history of the civil war and reconstruction, something that no one would have dreamed before. It was not the first example of narrative cinema, but it was the first on this scale. It was also a triumph of film production values complete with full scale battle sequences and other historical reenactments. It was the highest budgeted movie of its time, but that didn’t matter because it was also the first nation-wide blockbuster and would remain the highest grossing film of all time until 1937. What’s more, the film’s horrible racial content was even seen as reprehensible at the time, leading to the first national controversy over a motion picture. The film even managed to be the first film screened for a sitting U.S. President (the aforementioned Woodrow Wilson). We may never know when writing or painting started, but we do know where filmmaking as we know it started, and it started with D.W. Griffith making this ****ed up yet amazing film almost one hundred years ago.
JBond 03-12-2009 06:57 PM
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IanTheCool 03-12-2009 07:02 PM
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Bonnie and Clyde is a good one. I almost put it in mine as well.
IanTheCool 03-17-2009 08:05 PM
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10. The Battle of Waterloo
The Seventh Coalition vs France, 1815
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Napoleon's return from exile came to an end at Waterloo, as did his empire and conquest of Europe. Waterloo actually brought peace to Europe for almost 50 years and it really set up the political climate f Europe which would define the 19th century. The alliances and powers which arose from the aftermath of Waterloo would build an interesting political climate lasting until the 20th century and resulting in the two World Wars.
JBond 03-17-2009 08:23 PM
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Uhhhh, I agree.
As long as the Battle of Endor is on there.
FranklinTard 03-17-2009 09:12 PM
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i've got 2 battles in my head that i would probably put on there. (and please no Thermopylae or however you spell it)
JBond 03-17-2009 09:27 PM
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I would imagine Normandy and Gettysburg will be high up. Perhaps Midway and Pearl Harbor. Also the one from the Revolutionary War where Mel Gibson won it.
Big-Lead5 03-17-2009 09:42 PM
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Midway would be good one it was first battle we won over Japan
JBond 03-17-2009 10:29 PM
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The Stalingrad battle, whatever it's called...battle of Stalingrad?
IanTheCool 03-18-2009 01:06 AM
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i've got 2 battles in my head that i would probably put on there. (and please no Thermopylae or however you spell it)
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Don't worry, no thermopolie ( i don't know how to spell it either)
IanTheCool 03-18-2009 09:51 AM
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9. The Battle of Gravelines
England and Netherlands vs. Spain, 1588
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When the British navy defeated the Spanish Armada, a shift in world power occurred. Spain, the world's greatest explorers and colonizers were diminished which Britain would grow to become the greatest naval force in the world for centuries. This would eventually result in the massive British Empire, the largest empire in the history of the world.
chewie 03-18-2009 10:56 AM
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Hopefully the Battle of Tours makes it on the list.
Deexan 03-18-2009 11:27 AM
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Knerys 03-18-2009 11:50 AM
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i've got 2 battles in my head that i would probably put on there. (and please no Thermopylae or however you spell it)
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I don't care if Thermopylae is on it or not there but there better be some battle from the Greco-Persian wars on that list.
Knerys 03-18-2009 11:54 AM
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I would imagine Normandy and Gettysburg will be high up. Perhaps Midway and Pearl Harbor. Also the one from the Revolutionary War where Mel Gibson won it.
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Hmmmm, I would say Battle of the Bulge slightly over Normandy.
FranklinTard 03-18-2009 11:56 AM
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why though, even if the persians had won, they showed they weren't like other waring nations, they just made the people pay tribute, they didn't sack cities they wanted to just improve their kingdom by imperialism really.
would have left their religions alone, nothing really would have changed, so those battles to me, were not that important.
Knerys 03-18-2009 12:03 PM
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Greece is the birthplace of Western government. Who knows what would have developed if the Persian conquered Greece. Nearly all major civilizations at that time were empires, so democracy was a relatively new concept. Plus the Greeks use of terrain and resources to off set the fact that they had far less numbers than the Persian Army is also noteworthy. Maybe the idea psuedo-democracy would have come to fruition later but you cannot say that that conflict was not significant in the context of history.
Doomsday 03-18-2009 12:18 PM
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i've got 2 battles in my head that i would probably put on there. (and please no Thermopylae or however you spell it)
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Don't worry, no thermopolie ( i don't know how to spell it either)
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Shame, the battles at Thermopylae and Salamis soon after helped changed the course of history moreso than probably any other battles.
Knerys 03-18-2009 12:22 PM
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Of the two I'd say Salamis was more important because, well, Thermopylea, with all it's glorification, was a loss for the Greeks. And the victory at Salamis was really the death blow that ultimately weaken the Persian campaign.
Doomsday 03-18-2009 12:25 PM
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That and the battle of Salamis was just really badass in general.
Knerys 03-18-2009 12:34 PM
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Boro 03-18-2009 02:32 PM
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Knerys 03-18-2009 03:27 PM
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Dracula 03-18-2009 03:30 PM
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Tornado 03-18-2009 03:48 PM
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1. Fingolfin vs Morgoth
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Agreed. Superman Vs. Doomsday can be #2.
Knerys 03-18-2009 03:55 PM
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JBond 03-18-2009 04:08 PM
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IanTheCool 03-18-2009 05:53 PM
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8. The Battle of Actium
The forces of Octavian Ceaser vs. the Forces of Mark Antony, 31BC
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Why is this battle important? Because when Octavian defeated Antony, he took supreme rule of Rome, becoming the first true Emperor and turning Rome into an Empire, one of the most influential empires the world has known.
MasterChief117 03-18-2009 08:13 PM
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Psh, Can I expect the Battle of the Bulge, Battle of Midway or any WW2 battle in there?Don't disapoint Ian.
Dracula 03-18-2009 08:51 PM
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The most important WW2 battle was Stalingrad.
Bamfosaurus14 03-18-2009 09:39 PM
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how is the battle of the bulge important?
It was just a footnote in the book of history, it did not change anything. I do not expect that to make the list
Dracula is right, Stalingrad was the reason hitler was defeated
IanTheCool 03-19-2009 12:24 AM
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7. The Battle of Saratoga
United States vs. Great Britain, 1777
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The turning point in the American Revolutionary War, allowing the United States to completely separate from Britain and become their own country. And of course, the USA went on to be the most powerful nation in the world, spreading their influence across the globe.
Knerys 03-19-2009 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Bamfosaurus14 (Post 2569890)
how is the battle of the bulge important?
It was just a footnote in the book of history, it did not change anything. I do not expect that to make the list
Dracula is right, Stalingrad was the reason hitler was defeated
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Footnote??? The Bulge was the nail in coffin for Hitler's campaign.
If Germany won that battle the European campaign probably would have dragged on for many more months. It was his final (if ill-conceived) push turn the tide. Germany's loss there decisively ended the war in Europe.
Not just a footnote.
Now I can agree that Stalingrad is arguably the most important engagement on the European side of the war because it began Germany's downfall and keeping them from ever successfully invading Russia. Plus the fact that you basically had ordinary citizens fighting against on of the most disciplined armies in the world much of the time.
IanTheCool 03-19-2009 11:53 AM
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6. The Battle of Zhuolu
Huaxia vs. Jiuli, 2500BC
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This may seem like an odd addition to this list, especially since it was so long ago and most people have never heard of it. Why I included it is because this battle created the foundation for Han Chinese culture and civilization, which is one of the oldest cultures in the world and today makes up almost a 5th of the worlds population. China is one of the most powerful countries in the world, with a rich history and an almost certain role in the events of the near future.
Knerys 03-19-2009 12:09 PM
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I've heard of it! But then again I studied war history in college.
You've got an interesting list so far. Nice work.
Dracula 03-19-2009 12:14 PM
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Nice find, good to see someone thinking outside the box
IanTheCool 03-19-2009 02:17 PM
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5. The Battle of Normandy
Allied Forces vs. Germany, 1944
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The 1940's saw the largest conflict in the history of the world when the Allies battled the Axis powers in the Second World War. On June 6th, 1944 the Allies launched a massive invasion on the beaches of Normandy, gaining a foothold in Nazi-occupied Europe. This allowed us to turn the tide and begin work towards the defeat of Nazi Germany.
Now I know this will be a controversial choice, as many will say that Stalingrad is the most important battle of WWII, others will debate other great battles. Hopefully this will lead to a really good discussion, as that's really my purpose here. There has already been a lot of discussion on this, so now we can all debate further.
FranklinTard 03-19-2009 02:17 PM
________________________________________hmmm never heard of it... weird.
IanTheCool 03-19-2009 02:20 PM
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hmmm never heard of it... weird.
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Yeah, I had to do some digging.
JBond 03-19-2009 02:21 PM
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Is that the one where you have to shoot down the pillbox to get to the next level?
MasterChief117 03-19-2009 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Knerys (Post 2570136)
Footnote??? The Bulge was the nail in coffin for Hitler's campaign.
If Germany won that battle the European campaign probably would have dragged on for many more months. It was his final (if ill-conceived) push turn the tide. Germany's loss there decisively ended the war in Europe.
Not just a footnote.
Now I can agree that Stalingrad is arguably the most important engagement on the European side of the war because it began Germany's downfall and keeping them from ever successfully invading Russia. Plus the fact that you basically had ordinary citizens fighting against on of the most disciplined armies in the world much of the time.
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Thank you.
Battle of The Bulge while not being a complete outstanding victory it was a collapse on Hitler's part. Hitler felt if he had any chance in hell at coming back in the war, it would be at Bastogne/Foy/etc. The counter attack failed which leveled the Nazi morale, supplies and men. Pretty much rendered them useless and thats considered non important?
Stalingrad was important but Hitler didn't have a chance in hell at taking over the USSR. He knew that, if anything Stalingrad was there to hold the Russians over(Hence why it lasted 8 months).
MasterChief117 03-19-2009 02:29 PM
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hmmm never heard of it... weird.
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Sarcasm?
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Yeah, I had to do some digging.
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Editted for not properly reading stuff....
FranklinTard 03-19-2009 02:38 PM
________________________________________you never cease to truly amaze mc.
Tornado 03-19-2009 02:39 PM
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MasterChief117 03-19-2009 03:04 PM
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you never cease to truly amaze mc.
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I amaze myself all the time. Thanks for the sarcasm....again.
Knerys 03-19-2009 03:22 PM
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Sarcasm?
Had to do some digging? D-Day(or as you labeled the Battle at Normandy) was THE establishing point for American's fighting in the war. It was actually a time when we led a front and opened up the war to three fronts.
But whatever....
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MC117.....remind me to teach you the inner workings of the running joke.
MasterChief117 03-19-2009 03:40 PM
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Ian, if you wouldn't mind I'd like to throw up a list of my Top 10 battles as well. If that wouldn't be an intrusion.
Tornado 03-19-2009 03:49 PM
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If MC gets to do a list of his own, I'd like to do one of mine. "The Top 10 Deli Meats of All-Time."
It'll be quite controversial, I'm sure.
MasterChief117 03-19-2009 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Tornado (Post 2570323)
If MC gets to do a list of his own, I'd like to do one of mine. "The Top 10 Deli Meats of All-Time."
It'll be quite controversial, I'm sure.
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Well, I'm sure some people here would like to read my opinions.
Tornado 03-19-2009 03:53 PM
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And I think some people here would like to hear my opinions on the best of the best in deli meats. What's your point?
MasterChief117 03-19-2009 03:55 PM
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And I think some people here would like to hear my opinions on the best of the best in deli meats. What's your point?
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That you acting like an ass is only hiliarious to yourself. Big deal, I'm putting down my opinions. We get that you don't want my opinions but then again I never asked for you to give a damn.
Dracula 03-19-2009 03:56 PM
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If MC gets to do a list of his own, I'd like to do one of mine. "The Top 10 Deli Meats of All-Time."
It'll be quite controversial, I'm sure.
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Salami better not get snubbed.
Tornado 03-19-2009 03:58 PM
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That you acting like an ass is only hiliarious to yourself. Big deal, I'm putting down my opinions. We get that you don't want my opinions but then again I never asked for you to give a damn.
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What? I'm not mocking you. I legitimately want to compile my list of the top ten deli meats. I've done years of research, and it's all going to be used to create this list.
And Drac, salami will definitely be on the list. But I can't say where.
JBond 03-19-2009 04:25 PM
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I amaze myself all the time. Thanks for the sarcasm....again.
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To be fair, Franklin's post wasn't sarcasm that time. It was coy, if anything.
IanTheCool 03-19-2009 06:57 PM
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Ian, if you wouldn't mind I'd like to throw up a list of my Top 10 battles as well. If that wouldn't be an intrusion.
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Yeah, that's cool. Drac did a contrasting list for the movies. All I ask is that you wait until mine is done.
Tornado 03-19-2009 07:09 PM
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What about my list? I wasn't kidding, despite MC's repeated protests.
IanTheCool 03-19-2009 11:46 PM
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4. The Battle of Hastings
Normans vs. Anglo-Saxons, 1066
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When William the Conqueror conquered the island of Britain, it would be the last time in history that the British shores would be breached. The mix of Angles and Normans had a huge impact on English culture, government, and language, which would grow to be one of the dominant cultures in the world. When Britain became an Empire, they spread there culture around the globe, most notably to North America, and the English language is rapidly becoming the dominant language of the world. And it all stems back to the Norman invasion.
IanTheCool 03-20-2009 02:46 PM
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3. The Battle of Marathon
Athens vs. Persia, 490 BC
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The Greek civilization, which we have come to see as the foundation of many cultures around the world today, was almost crushed just as it was beginning to take form. The Persian empire had plans to move west and absorb Greece and the rest of Europe into its realm. They seemed like an unstoppable force until the Battle of Marathon, where the Athenians trapped the Persians on the battle plain and won victory, giving hope to all of Greece that the Persians could be defeated and Greece could prosper.
Knerys 03-20-2009 03:14 PM
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IanTheCool 03-20-2009 09:16 PM
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2. The Battle of Tours
Franks vs. Umayyad, 732
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The Battle of Tours is often recognized as saving Christianity from annihilation, or at least subversion, by the Islamic conquerors. Imagine what a different world we would be living in if Islam became the dominant religion in Europe and Christians suddenly lost their power. For this reason, this monumental battle is the second most important battle in world history.
Big-Lead5 03-20-2009 09:20 PM
________________________________________Nice Ian good job
JheyDC 03-20-2009 11:56 PM
________________________________________Pretty nice stills Ian...
IanTheCool 03-21-2009 12:18 PM
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1. The Battle of Salamis
Greece vs. Persia, 480BC
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The Battle of Marathon gave hope to the Greeks and the belief that they could stem the Persian conquest, but the Battle of Salamis is when that actually happened. Outnumbered, the Grecian fleet defeated Xerxes navy and won the Greco-Persian wars. Yet this victory has far more significance than that, as it is also credited with saving the whole of western civilization.
If the Persians had conquered Greece it is likely that all of the political, philosophical, and scientific ideas which emerged from Greece and grew to shape the world we now know would have been defused. But Greece won the wars and were able to flourish, creating what we call western civilization, the most powerful man-made agent of change the world has likely seen.
MasterChief117 03-21-2009 10:23 PM
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Wow, pretty good list. I love Salamis being in there, no question its Top 10.
Dracula 03-21-2009 11:05 PM
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Cool... Now bring on the Deli Meat!!!
chewie 03-21-2009 11:38 PM
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Here are 10 I picked out listed in chronological order.
1. Battle of Thermopylae
2. Battle of Gaugamela
3. Battle of Tours
4. Battle of Hastings
5. Siege of Tenochtitlan
6. The Battle of Gravelines
7. Battle of Yorktown
8. Battle of Gettysburg
9. Battle of Britain
10. Battle of Midway
Dracula 03-22-2009 12:06 AM
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A couple more battles, maybe not as important, but I think they're pretty neat:
The Battle of Agincourt
Battle of Hattin
Battle of Stalingrad
The Tet Offensive (My father was there)
Battle of Kursk
Doomsday 03-22-2009 12:57 PM
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1. The battle of salamis
greece vs. Persia, 480bc
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ftw!!!
Bamfosaurus14 03-22-2009 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Knerys (Post 2570136)
Footnote??? The Bulge was the nail in coffin for Hitler's campaign.
If Germany won that battle the European campaign probably would have dragged on for many more months. It was his final (if ill-conceived) push turn the tide. Germany's loss there decisively ended the war in Europe.
Not just a footnote.
Now I can agree that Stalingrad is arguably the most important engagement on the European side of the war because it began Germany's downfall and keeping them from ever successfully invading Russia. Plus the fact that you basically had ordinary citizens fighting against on of the most disciplined armies in the world much of the time.
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If Hitler won the battle of the Bulge, what would have changed? would he have won the war? No. Would he stop the russian advance? No. Would He stop the Americans? No. He did not have the manpower or supplies to sustain a full onslaught for a long amount of time. All it would have done was lengthen the war by a couple of months at the most. The allies would have won the war with or without the Battle of The Bulge, it didn't change course of hitory or affect millions of people lives, therefore it is a mere footnote.
JBond 03-22-2009 05:33 PM
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Interestingly enough, I'm currently reading a book that supposes the Germans and Japanese won WWII. FDR is assassinated and the new president doesn't get us out of the depression quick enough to help out in WWII.
Bamfosaurus14 03-22-2009 05:54 PM
________________________________________really, what is it called?
JBond 03-22-2009 07:21 PM
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"The Man in the High Castle" by Philip K. Dick. Written in 1962.
Knerys 03-22-2009 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Bamfosaurus14 (Post 2571592)
If Hitler won the battle of the Bulge, what would have changed? would he have won the war? No. Would he stop the russian advance? No. Would He stop the Americans? No. He did not have the manpower or supplies to sustain a full onslaught for a long amount of time. All it would have done was lengthen the war by a couple of months at the most. The allies would have won the war with or without the Battle of The Bulge, it didn't change course of hitory or affect millions of people lives, therefore it is a mere footnote.
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No, extending the blight of Europe for months isn't significant at all. :rolleyes:
If American hadn't had dropped the bomb on Japan we still would have won but it would have taken the better part of a year and millions of lives to do it. Yet dropping the bomb is still significant because it it just stopped everything. Now maybe not in such grand fashion but that's what the Battle of the Bulge did in Europe. It was the definitive answer to the end of the war. Hilter was completely and undeniably done after that. I do not consider that a footnote.
You want a historical footnote look up Operation: Spring Awakening. That's a footnote.
Alien 03-23-2009 08:26 AM
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Nothing about any of these
Battle of Falkirk (1298)
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ngland.svg.png Edward I of England (England) Vs upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...otland.svg.png William Wallace (Scotland)
Battle of Stirling Bridge (1297)
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...otland.svg.png Andrew de Moray & William Wallace (Scottland) Vs upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ngland.svg.png John de Warenne, 7th Earl of Surrey & Hugh de Cressingham. (England)
Nothing about Battle of Britain either upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ingdom.svg.png British Empire Vs upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...y_1933.svg.png Germany & upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...rowned.svg.png Italy
Knerys 03-23-2009 01:02 PM
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MasterChief117 03-23-2009 02:20 PM
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I still am highly confused on the argument here with Battle of the Bulge. It might have not been the most significant battle ever but its far from just a whim. The engagement if successful would have collapsed a HUGE whole in the lines, allowing Germans to get back into Belgium, France, etc. Yes, they would have been caught down the line but they would have had more time to gather more supplies more men and fight to the end better. Not to mention all the innocent killed. Looks like people need to pay attention in history class.
FranklinTard 03-23-2009 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Alien (Post 2571820)
Nothing about any of these
Battle of Falkirk (1298)
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ngland.svg.png Edward I of England (England) Vs upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...otland.svg.png William Wallace (Scotland)
Battle of Stirling Bridge (1297)
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...otland.svg.png Andrew de Moray & William Wallace (Scottland) Vs upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ngland.svg.png John de Warenne, 7th Earl of Surrey & Hugh de Cressingham. (England)
Nothing about Battle of Britain either upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ingdom.svg.png British Empire Vs upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...y_1933.svg.png Germany & upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...rowned.svg.png Italy
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lol little ethnocentric don't you think?
Alien 03-23-2009 03:02 PM
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The Battle of Falkirk (1298) and the Battle of Stirling Bridge (1297) were both in Breaveheart (sort of) I can't think of any movies for most of the others.
As for the Battle of Britain it was a huge part of WWII.
JBond 03-23-2009 03:02 PM
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Yeah, I have it on Blu-ray and everything.
Knerys 03-23-2009 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Alien (Post 2571993)
The Battle of Falkirk (1298) and the Battle of Stirling Bridge (1297) were both in Breaveheart (sort of) I can't think of any movies for most of the others.
As for the Battle of Britain it was a huge part of WWII.
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Having a movie made about a battle doesn't increase it's significance to history and vice versa.
IanTheCool 03-23-2009 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Alien (Post 2571820)
Nothing about any of these
Battle of Falkirk (1298)
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ngland.svg.png Edward I of England (England) Vs upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...otland.svg.png William Wallace (Scotland)
Battle of Stirling Bridge (1297)
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...otland.svg.png Andrew de Moray & William Wallace (Scottland) Vs upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ngland.svg.png John de Warenne, 7th Earl of Surrey & Hugh de Cressingham. (England)
Nothing about Battle of Britain either upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ingdom.svg.png British Empire Vs upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...y_1933.svg.png Germany & upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...rowned.svg.png Italy
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Sterling and Falkirk were important to Scotland and England, but that much to the rest of the world.
Battle of Britain was pretty important, but not top 10 of all time important. If it were battles of this century, then yes probably.
Bamfosaurus14 03-23-2009 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Knerys (Post 2571668)
No, extending the blight of Europe for months isn't significant at all. :rolleyes:
If American hadn't had dropped the bomb on Japan we still would have won but it would have taken the better part of a year and millions of lives to do it. Yet dropping the bomb is still significant because it it just stopped everything. Now maybe not in such grand fashion but that's what the Battle of the Bulge did in Europe. It was the definitive answer to the end of the war. Hilter was completely and undeniably done after that. I do not consider that a footnote.
You want a historical footnote look up Operation: Spring Awakening. That's a footnote.
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WE're not talking about Japan. That was a totally different situation. Japan was gonna fight to the death with every, man, women, and child. That would have cost a million American lives to invade, not to mention the entire japanese culture. Just becuase it was the last big battle of a war doesn't mean it is on the same level as D-Day, the Battle of Tours, and The Battle of Salamis.
Bamfosaurus14 03-23-2009 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by MasterChief117 (Post 2571980)
I still am highly confused on the argument here with Battle of the Bulge. It might have not been the most significant battle ever but its far from just a whim. The engagement if successful would have collapsed a HUGE whole in the lines, allowing Germans to get back into Belgium, France, etc. Yes, they would have been caught down the line but they would have had more time to gather more supplies more men and fight to the end better. Not to mention all the innocent killed. Looks like people need to pay attention in history class.
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Looks like people need to know what their talking about it.
Where are the German people gonna come up with these supplies? With their no longer existant factories? Are they just gonna pull out extra soldiers out of their butts? They were spread so thin between the italian, russian, and french fronts. The Germans were done by the summer of 1945 with or without the Battle of the Bulge, especially with the russians breathing down their necks. That is why it is only a mere footnote.Knerys 03-24-2009 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Bamfosaurus14 (Post 2572193)
WE're not talking about Japan. That was a totally different situation. Japan was gonna fight to the death with every, man, women, and child. That would have cost a million American lives to invade, not to mention the entire japanese culture. Just becuase it was the last big battle of a war doesn't mean it is on the same level as D-Day, the Battle of Tours, and The Battle of Salamis.
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I never said it was on the same level as these other battles. What I said was that it wasn't simply a footnote in history.
Bamfosaurus14 03-24-2009 05:34 PM
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Maybe i did underestimate its importance, but i just didn't think it was in the top ten battles
Alien 03-24-2009 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Knerys (Post 2572012)
Having a movie made about a battle doesn't increase it's significance to history and vice versa.
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So explain the sudden significance of the Spartan/300 war thing?
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Originally Posted by IanTheCool (Post 2572085)
Sterling and Falkirk were important to Scotland and England, but that much to the rest of the world.
Battle of Britain was pretty important, but not top 10 of all time important. If it were battles of this century, then yes probably.
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As much as the yanks like to think they won World War II, Britain was in it for the long haul and the Battle of Britain was a huge part of our fight.
Dracula 03-24-2009 07:15 PM
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As much as the yanks like to think they won World War II, Britain was in it for the long haul and the Battle of Britain was a huge part of our fight.
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If any country has had their WW2 achievemnets overlooked its the Soviet Union and China, not the UK.
Alien 03-24-2009 07:24 PM
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I never really thought about it but I didn't even know China was involved with the whole thing.
PsYkOoOoO 03-24-2009 07:28 PM
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I never really thought about it but I didn't even know China was involved with the whole thing.
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The Rape of Nanking?
JBond 03-24-2009 07:30 PM
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I never really thought about it but I didn't even know China was involved with the whole thing.
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You mean with the WORLD War?
donny 03-24-2009 07:35 PM
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Yeah, I have it on Blu-ray and everything.
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I've been meaning to ask for them back. Hand 'em over.
Dracula 03-24-2009 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Alien (Post 2572858)
I never really thought about it but I didn't even know China was involved with the whole thing.
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including civilian deaths, they had more casualties than Germany, Poland, Japan, the UK, and the US combined.
JBond 03-24-2009 08:47 PM
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Doomsday 03-24-2009 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Dracula (Post 2572855)
If any country has had their WW2 achievemnets overlooked its the Soviet Union and China, not the UK.
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US was overlooked too!!
saveus1011 03-24-2009 09:49 PM
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To be fair, Russia had Mother Nature on her side.
But Dracula, you're partially right.
Bamfosaurus14 03-24-2009 10:01 PM
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To tell you the truth, U.S. involvement was the reason the alllies won the war. You can't argue against that fact.
Well, that and the German attack of the Soviet Union, Hitler that dumbass
saveus1011 03-24-2009 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Bamfosaurus14 (Post 2572935)
To tell you the truth, U.S. involvement was the reason the alllies won the war. You can't argue against that fact.
Well, that and the German attack of the Soviet Union, Hitler that dumbass
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Pretty much. America had to enter the war. We just did it at the right time.
JBond 03-24-2009 11:07 PM
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Wasn't there going to be a top ten deli sandwich list?
chewie 03-25-2009 07:26 AM
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Knerys 03-25-2009 10:42 AM
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So explain the sudden significance of the Spartan/300 war thing?
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What do you mean sudden? The idea that a vastly outnumbered army could use battle tactics and terrain to hold off the enemy was greatly revered even in ancient times. People have discussed Thermopylae long before Frank Miller decided to make a story out of it.
And, honestly, it wasn't the most important battle in the Persian/Greco wars. It's definitely one of the most famous because the Greeks faced insurmountable odds and the level of valor shown by the Spartans (and Thespians which no one ever talks about, look them up!) makes for great drama.
However, in reality, it was really done more as a tactical move to allow the rest of the Greek army to retreat than a defiant last stand. But they all knew they were going to probably die.
You're battles have significance too but mainly to Scotland. The was looking at a broader spectrum.
Knerys 03-25-2009 10:46 AM
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To tell you the truth, U.S. involvement was the reason the alllies won the war. You can't argue against that fact.
Well, that and the German attack of the Soviet Union, Hitler that dumbass
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Hilter's ego was the one thing that I believed kept Germany from ultimately achieving it's goal. People talk about if you could have assassinated Hilter....I wouldn't. Someone just as passionate and more tactically competent would have taken his place.
MasterChief117 03-25-2009 10:49 AM
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Hitler attacked the Soviet Union for more reasons than him having a big ego. He figured since about 75% of his army was on the west side of Europe that Stalin would get the itch to take over the west. So basically Hitler smacked first.
Knerys 03-25-2009 11:19 AM
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I talking more than invading Russia.
Germany had a non-aggression pact with the Soviet's but Hitler felt Stalin would violate it if he had the upper hand (which he probably would of done) so Hitler decided to hit first. He didn't trust his field officer and refused to let them make decisions without his consent. In fact his decision to attack in The Battle of the Bulge was highly contested.
He may have been a great speaker and charismatic leader but he was wasteful as a military commander.
JBond 03-25-2009 03:06 PM
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Sometimes I dream that I'm as smart as Knerys. :rolleyes:
(That's a daydream face this time)
Knerys 03-25-2009 03:18 PM
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I just read a lot. I have insatiable curiosity. :redface:
Deexan 03-25-2009 03:22 PM
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I'm guessing the bloody mêlée of between St. Thomas More Catholic College and Edensor High School (1997) was at number 11? Many pencil cases were lost that day; I'll never forget the look on the face of my mother upon the realisation that she would have to buy me a new school shirt.
Dark times.
FranklinTard 03-25-2009 04:05 PM
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tornado wheres your deli meat list, ive got mine completed.
Boro 03-25-2009 04:28 PM
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Yeah, how long are you going to make us wait?
Tornado 03-25-2009 04:39 PM
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lol, it's a work in progress guys. You can't rush art.
JBond 03-25-2009 05:22 PM
________________________________________Tell that to Pollack.
Tornado 03-25-2009 05:27 PM
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Who is Pollack? A painter? You're talking to the wrong guy if that's the case.
I could tell you all about James Pollack the astrophysicist, but he and Sydney are the only Pollacks I know.
IanTheCool 03-25-2009 05:29 PM
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I'm guessing the bloody mêlée of between St. Thomas More Catholic College and Edensor High School (1997) was at number 11? Many pencil cases were lost that day; I'll never forget the look on the face of my mother upon the realisation that she would have to buy me a new school shirt.
Dark times.
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Well, close. It's number 12.
JBond 03-25-2009 05:32 PM
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Who is Pollack? A painter? You're talking to the wrong guy if that's the case.
I could tell you all about James Pollack the astrophysicist, but he and Sydney are the only Pollacks I know.
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Pollock:
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Deexan 03-25-2009 05:56 PM
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IanTheCool 03-25-2009 06:26 PM
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The Ten Greatest Board Games
10. Trivial Pursuit (1981)
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In 1981, two Canadian magazine editors decided to design their own game and ended up creating a champion medium for all sorts of useless facts and knowledge. The gameplay is decent enough, simple in concept, but the trivia challenge is what made this game a huge success. Trivial Pursuit's popularity continues today, spawning all sorts of updates and specialized versions.
JBond 03-25-2009 09:08 PM
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I love Trivial Pursuit. Used to play it all the time.
Dracula 03-25-2009 09:52 PM
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I used to hang out at a Pizza parlor that had trivial pursuit cards at the tables. Sad day when the health inspector shut them down.
donny 03-25-2009 10:04 PM
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Well, I would always pee on the floor at that place. So, I guess I'm somewhat responsible for it getting closed. Sorry.
JBond 03-25-2009 10:07 PM
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And I would clean the tops of the ceiling fans with slices of pizza. My bad.
donny 03-25-2009 10:10 PM
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Pretty sure I also saw you put the burger patties in the toilet before you used them.
JBond 03-25-2009 10:18 PM
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Is it my fault they look so much like urinal cakes?
Although that explains the complaints from the burger customers...
donny 03-25-2009 10:20 PM
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That one guy sitting in the corner seemed to like them. Hope it wasn't Dracula....
JBond 03-25-2009 10:32 PM
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He was OK with it once I convinced him it was a new kind of tofu.
Then he started going off about Francois Truffaut, or something.
donny 03-25-2009 10:37 PM
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Figures. He would always pretend to speak French.
IanTheCool 03-26-2009 12:46 AM
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9. Diplomacy (1959)
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In 1957, a little game called Risk was published, setting off the popularity of wargames. However two years later, a new war game called Diplomacy was released, with a concept unique to Risk. The players must write down their moves and reveal them at the same time, cutting down on down-time spent between other players' turns and giving a fresh unpredictability to the gameplay. Diplomacy is most famous for have negotiations, alliances, and double-crossing as an integral part of the game providing lots of room for player interaction.
Diplomacy became very popular and even JFK and Kissinger have declared it to be their favorite game. Diplomacy even grew to include postal games, where players would play from across the country through the mail. A unique and special game, one of the most interactive and involving war games there is.
bbf2 03-26-2009 01:48 AM
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If Monopoly is number one I will kill you with a top hat.
Alien 03-26-2009 06:00 AM
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You mean with the WORLD War?
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Like I say I never tought about it. Also I never did history is School I did Geogrophy (It was one or the other).
History here is all about Scotland and a little about the UK but very little about the world. It's like history teachers think we still have an empire and are the center of the world or something.
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What do you mean sudden? The idea that a vastly outnumbered army could use battle tactics and terrain to hold off the enemy was greatly revered even in ancient times. People have discussed Thermopylae long before Frank Miller decided to make a story out of it.
And, honestly, it wasn't the most important battle in the Persian/Greco wars. It's definitely one of the most famous because the Greeks faced insurmountable odds and the level of valor shown by the Spartans (and Thespians which no one ever talks about, look them up!) makes for great drama.
However, in reality, it was really done more as a tactical move to allow the rest of the Greek army to retreat than a defiant last stand. But they all knew they were going to probably die.
You're battles have significance too but mainly to Scotland. The was looking at a broader spectrum.
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But since the movie 300 you have got to admit that everyone talks about it now like they've talked about it all there lifes.
IanTheCool 03-26-2009 10:36 AM
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8. Carcassonne (2000)
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Board games seem to currently be in a Renaissance period over the last decade, mostly with the advent of German-style 'Eurogames'. One of the most popular and unique games to come out of this era is Carcassonne, where rather than beginning with a board, the players create the board as the game goes on, each taking turns placing a new landscape tile and matching features. They then play their board pieces or 'meeples' on different areas of the board to perform differing roles which score points in different ways.
Carcassonne is a definitely a different expierence than regular board games, introducing the concept of tile and worker plaecment to many. There are a number of explanations, each of which addd a little something extra to the game without taking away its essence.
Ramplate 03-26-2009 10:52 AM
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No one will play Trivial Pursuit with me anymore lol I have way too much free time on my hands and look up and remember things all the time
Never played Diplomacy but I have a friend who loves it.
This one I've never heard of - good list subject by the way
Dhamon22 03-26-2009 12:47 PM
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I played Carcassonne on Xbox Live Arcade. Good game.
IanTheCool 03-26-2009 02:19 PM
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7. Tigris and Euphrates (1997)
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Reiner Knizia is one of the biggest names in modern board games, and Tigris and Euphrates is often considered his masterpiece. Chances are you haven't heard of it. It is not a game for the casual board gamer, but is instead a 'gamer's game', full of complexity and skill, a mix of theme and abstract. One of the more complex games out there, wonderfully crafted and beautifully made.
JBond 03-26-2009 03:33 PM
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What are these games!
I suppose Chess could be #1.
Knerys 03-26-2009 03:42 PM
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You're losing me with this list a little bit, Ian.
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But since the movie 300 you have got to admit that everyone talks about it now like they've talked about it all there lifes.
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Yeah the movies created interest but I haven't encounter many people (barring other history buffs) who like to extensively discuss the historical context of the the battle. They mostly consist of them saying "that movie was bad ass" and me ramble on about the historical context of the battle.
Big-Lead5 03-26-2009 04:41 PM
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Deexan 03-26-2009 05:17 PM
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Are people who play "gamer's games" gamer's games gamers?
IanTheCool 03-26-2009 07:05 PM
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Yeah, I figured this one no one would have heard of. Carcassonne however I own and it is a very fun game. I recommend it.
IanTheCool 03-26-2009 07:18 PM
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6. Scrabble (1948)
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The ultimate word game which has spawned tournaments of all kinds, had full dictionaries written on words that can be used, and created an enjoyable and intellectual leisure activity for people of all ages. Scrabble has garnered a level of respect in society like few other boards games can.
Bamfosaurus14 03-26-2009 09:00 PM
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You gotta love scrabble!
I used to be a scrabble club when i was in elementary school
shows how much of a nerd i am =P
IanTheCool 03-27-2009 12:47 AM
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5. Backgammon (200)
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Backgammon is one of the oldest games in the world. combining the race game with the dice game. It has a long history and is studied widely. Backgammon even has a World Championship. Backgammon is a pillar of the world of board games which has been around for many, many years and will be for many more to come.
Alien 03-27-2009 08:10 AM
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I've played Backgammon a few times and just can't win, ever.
IanTheCool 03-27-2009 09:16 AM
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I've played Backgammon a few times and just can't win, ever.
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I'm like that with checkers. I know its such a simple game, but I just can't win ever.
Ramplate 03-27-2009 10:01 AM
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IanTheCool 03-27-2009 01:43 PM
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love that game
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Backgammon or Checkers?
IanTheCool 03-27-2009 01:54 PM
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4. Puerto Rico (2002)
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Puerto Rico may be one of the most brilliantly constructed board games ever made, with almost no flaws in its design at all. In the game, the players are plantation owners who take turns in various roles (mayor, builder, trader, etc.) which dictate the different phases of the gameplay. The only aspects of luck in the game are the way the plant tiles are drawn (which has little impact on the game) and the strategy of the other players.
Puerto Rico is the Citizen Kane of board games. Not only is it technically brilliant, its also highly enjoyable.
Big-Lead5 03-27-2009 01:57 PM
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i love scrabble and Back gammon never heard of the last 1
FranklinTard 03-27-2009 02:20 PM
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IanTheCool 03-27-2009 04:20 PM
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Dhamon22 03-27-2009 05:15 PM
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I love it though, its always cool to find a great new board game.
IanTheCool 03-27-2009 08:19 PM
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3. The Settlers of Catan (1995)
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Settlers of Catan is everything you want in a board game: an interesting theme, lots of player interaction, enjoyable gameplay, a good mix of strategy and chance. Settlers also has the quality of being able to pull almost anyone into its orbit.
The board is made up of 19 hexagonal pieces which are rearranged differently every game so that you never have the same board each time you play. You collect resources from the 'hexes' which you use to build settlements and road. Yet the description of the game does not do it justice; this is a fun, involving game that everyone can enjoy. I truly believe that eventually Settlers of Catan will be taking the place of Monopoly as the quintessential board game of modern culture.
Big-Lead5 03-27-2009 08:24 PM
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Another game i never heard of. How come I never see these game at Walmart or Target
bbf2 03-27-2009 08:30 PM
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Settlers of Catan is an amazing game.
I'll give you two sheeps for a wheat.
IanTheCool 03-27-2009 10:12 PM
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Another game i never heard of. How come I never see these game at Walmart or Target
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Trust me, if you have a chance to play it, do. It is starting to become more popular. You may be seeing it in more mainstream stores in the near future.
Tornado 03-28-2009 09:28 AM
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Something tells me Candyland isn't going to be on this list.
IanTheCool 03-28-2009 09:31 AM
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Something tells me Candyland isn't going to be on this list.
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...... Thanks for giving away number #1.
IanTheCool 03-28-2009 12:09 PM
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2. Go (c. 2200 BC)
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From the annals of ancient China comes one of the oldest and greatest board games in the world. Go focuses on balance, tactics and strategy. Perhaps no board game has had quite the cultural impact that Go has had, especially in the Far East. In China, Go was actually known as one of the Four Arts of the Chinese Scholar.
Go ended up spreading to Korea and Japan and eventually to the rest of the world. Go was considered an important skill in some Eastern cultures and is a game with many philosophical implications. It is certainly one of the most important and meaningful board games ever made.
Big-Lead5 03-28-2009 12:17 PM
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that is old game i never played seen it being played though
JBond 03-28-2009 02:29 PM
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Something tells me The Game of Life isn't going to be on your list.
The game that perpared me for college, choosing a job, and trading kids for money to win.
IanTheCool 03-28-2009 05:11 PM
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1. Chess (c. 600)
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Chess: the grand master of all board games. Originating in India, chess has a long and intricate history of evolution into the game of strategy we know today. The game can be considered a war simulation as well as an abstract exercise of the mind where each individual piece has its own role with one common goal: protect the king.
Chess is often used as a metaphor for such philosophical views and life lessons such as sacrifice and thinking numerous steps ahead. The game is widely studied by scientists and mathematicians and is played at the highest international level, including the famous cold war match of Fischer vs. Kasparov.
No board game in the world holds quite the level of popularity and reverence as chess does. It is the ultimate board game and the standard for all recreational challenges of the mind.
JBond 03-28-2009 05:19 PM
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I didn't know that Milton Bradley had been around for that long.
FranklinTard 03-29-2009 01:31 AM
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nice on the 'go' call, i actually had no idea that's what it was called.
bbf2 03-29-2009 04:15 AM
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Now its time for my countdown thread: bbf2's Top 10 Numbers!
Number 10. The number "Ten"
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The number "10" has been in our society for generations. Many small children think of this as the biggest number, since they can only count to ten. As the first double-digit number, 10 has a special role to fill, and unlike most double digit numbers ending in "0," often feels more comfortable grouped with numbers before it (1-9) than after it (11-19). You could say that 10 seems to feel a little insecure about its "weight" as a double digit number and thus prefers to associate with the single digit numbers, but one should never forget its importance as the gatekeeper (however reluctant) between the simplistic world of single digit numbers and increasingly complex world of double digit numbers. It serves as the perfect amount for a list of "Top" things in a given category, as David Letterman or Moses can tell you. Sports figures who wear number 10 include many futbol players such as Pele and Ronaldinho, and many quarterbacks such as NFL bust Brady Quinn, NFL bust Vince Young, and former NFL bust Eli Manning.
JBond 03-29-2009 02:32 PM
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I'm betting 9 is next. Or Battle of Normandy.
IanTheCool 03-29-2009 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by JBond (Post 2574855)
Something tells me The Game of Life isn't going to be on your list.
The game that perpared me for college, choosing a job, and trading kids for money to win.
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So you chose your job by drawing a card from someone's hand?
JBond 03-29-2009 04:08 PM
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Actually, on Wednesday I'm going to a career fair, so.....yes.
Dracula 03-29-2009 04:59 PM
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I think ten should have been higher on the list than it was. It was the name of a pretty bi*chin' Pearl Jam album after all.
Alien 03-29-2009 05:08 PM
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2. Go (c. 2200 BC)
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From the annals of ancient China comes one of the oldest and greatest board games in the world. Go focuses on balance, tactics and strategy. Perhaps no board game has had quite the cultural impact that Go has had, especially in the Far East. In China, Go was actually known as one of the Four Arts of the Chinese Scholar.
Go ended up spreading to Korea and Japan and eventually to the rest of the world. Go was considered an important skill in some Eastern cultures and is a game with many philosophical implications. It is certainly one of the most important and meaningful board games ever made.
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I actually really like that game and like to play it on Mario DS 2 player mode. I think it's the same thing.
JBond 03-29-2009 05:36 PM
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I think ten should have been higher on the list than it was. It was the name of a pretty bi*chin' Pearl Jam album after all.
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Yeah, but then there was that Bo Derek movie, so... :/
Ramplate 03-29-2009 06:49 PM
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RISK
War of the Ring
Ser Ty Of Ross 03-30-2009 01:47 AM
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Very surprised to see no Monopoly or Risk on the list..... also in many ways the original AD&D could be considered almost a board game which of course has had huge influence.
Or another game that has also been important to CS history... Parcheesi (JBond Rogue and Frizzo know what I'm talkin' bout)
Some of my personal favorites also include Stratego and Scattergories
IanTheCool 03-30-2009 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Ser Ty Of Ross (Post 2575524)
Very surprised to see no Monopoly or Risk on the list..... also in many ways the original AD&D could be considered almost a board game which of course has had huge influence.
Or another game that has also been important to CS history... Parcheesi (JBond Rogue and Frizzo know what I'm talkin' bout)
Some of my personal favorites also include Stratego and Scattergories
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Monopoly wasn't making this list. Not that I dislike monopoly, but it does have many problems. Mostly it is too long, even when the winner is decided halfway through the game, but everyone still has to play it out.
I absolutely love Risk, but it also has many flaws, one of them being the same as monopoly. The ending drags out for a long time, when you can usually tell who is going to be the winner. Also, there's a little too much luck invovled with the dice rolls.
JBond 03-30-2009 03:01 PM
________________________________________I had almost made a Parcheesi joke.
IanTheCool 03-30-2009 03:41 PM
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Alright, so next up I'm going to be doing the ten best TV shows. Just a note: this is not my favorite shows. I am trying to step back from this list and be as objective as possible. These shows are ranked on importance and impact as well as quality. I have a feeling there will be a lot of disagreement with this one, but that's the way it goes.
IanTheCool 03-30-2009 04:01 PM
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The Ten Greatest TV Shows
10. Star Trek (1966-1969)
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In many ways Star Trek is bigger than a television series (and I don't just mean because it went on to make 10, almost 11, feature films as well). It had a vision and scope that really went beyond. Star Trek was a forum for ideas and a medium to promote acceptance and harmony. It challenged the modern ideas of race relations and had a vision of a united Earth who focused the positive advancement of knowledge. And as for the science fiction aspect, it truly set a standard of innovative ideas and philosophies for the entire genre.
JBond 03-30-2009 04:49 PM
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Star Trek was "great," but not good. Still, it's a good choice.
Dracula 03-30-2009 05:40 PM
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Star Trek was "great," but not good. Still, it's a good choice.
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That's a pretty good way to put it.
IanTheCool 03-30-2009 08:08 PM
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9. Sesame Street (1969-present)
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Is there anyone born after the 1960's whose childhood was not influenced by Jim Henson's Sesame Street? Okay, maybe there were, but not many I would wager. Sesame Street was able to use the television medium for a purpose: to make learning fun. TV was turning out to be simply a way of life for children, for better or for worse. So Sesame Street did what it could to make it for better.
Sesame Street has introduced loads of memorable characters into the north American cultural fabric: Big Bird, Bert & Ernie, Cookie Monster, Grover, Snuffleupagus, Oscar the Grouch, and the list goes on. Sesame Street has tackled subjects as rudimentary as counting and spelling to such subjects such as death. Sesame Street has been a staple of childhood for decades.
JBond 03-30-2009 08:48 PM
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Sesame Street is being brought to you by the ranking of #9.
donny 03-30-2009 09:28 PM
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I've always been a bigger fan of the grittier, re-imagined version of Sesame Street.
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Dracula 03-30-2009 09:37 PM
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I like this version
VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:
IanTheCool 03-31-2009 08:30 AM
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8. 60 Minutes (1968-present)
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Investigative television journalism at its peak. 60 minutes has been around for 40 years and has done some very important investigation, as well as been embroiled in much controversy. None the less, it is an important staple of American television.
Knerys 03-31-2009 12:15 PM
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The Ten Greatest TV Shows
10. Star Trek (1966-1969)
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In many ways Star Trek is bigger than a television series (and I don't just mean because it went on to make 10, almost 11, feature films as well). It had a vision and scope that really went beyond. Star Trek was a forum for ideas and a medium to promote acceptance and harmony. It challenged the modern ideas of race relations and had a vision of a united Earth who focused the positive advancement of knowledge. And as for the science fiction aspect, it truly set a standard of innovative ideas and philosophies for the entire genre.
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I love you.
JBond 03-31-2009 02:58 PM
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He's just making room for Stargate: SG1.
IanTheCool 03-31-2009 05:43 PM
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7. Cheers (1982-1993)
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Cheers is the prime example of how a formulaic situation comedy can be great if all of the pieces fit; the characters, the writing, the chemistry between the actors, all at the top of their game There is a reason it was the most popular show out there for almost a decade. Sam, Diane, Norm, Cliff, Carla, Woody; everyone knew their name.
JBond 03-31-2009 05:47 PM
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I don't think I've ever seen an episode all the way through.
I'm going to be upset if MASH is #1.
LP4Life 03-31-2009 05:53 PM
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my parents used to talk about cheers alot. what was it about.
JBond 03-31-2009 05:54 PM
________________________________________Drinking.
LP4Life 03-31-2009 05:55 PM
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oh dont drink because my little body cant hardly take it. it sucks being an lp sometimes. i wish i could try to drink though. my mom does somehow.
IanTheCool 03-31-2009 10:12 PM
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6. The Honeymooners (1955-1956)
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The Honeymooners was able to lay a foundation for television comedy beyond simply being the show that The Flintstones is based on. Jackie Gleason and his cast created a show which was both rip-roaringly hilarious and incredibly sweet at the same time. A classic in every sense of the word.
Big-Lead5 03-31-2009 10:15 PM
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Honeymooners great show i sure hope I Love Lucy makes your list and All In the Family
JBond 03-31-2009 10:38 PM
________________________________________Bang, zoom, yawn.
Tornado 03-31-2009 10:47 PM
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Ha, I didn't know The Honeymooners was only on for two seasons. With how much people talk about it or how often it's referenced, I would have guessed 6-7 years at least.
Dracula 03-31-2009 10:48 PM
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Ha, I didn't know The Honeymooners was only on for two seasons. With how much people talk about it or how often it's referenced, I would have guessed 6-7 years at least.
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It was the original Firefly.. sort of
IanTheCool 04-01-2009 07:49 AM
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5. Seinfeld (1989-1998)
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The 'show abuot nothing' revolutionized TV comedy and ingrained itself into popular culture. Seinfeld gave us one ofd television's greatest characters in George Costanza and gave slapstick comedy a new name with Cosmo Kramer. Sure it was outrageous and over-the-top at times, but that's all a part of its charm. Even though its been off the air for ten years, Seinfeld remains master of its domain.
PG Cooper 04-01-2009 07:54 AM
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Yes. Thank you for Seinfeld. One of the two of the shows on your list I have watched multiple times!
The other being Sesame Street.
Dracula 04-01-2009 11:37 AM
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Seinfeld is probably second only to The Simpsons in its ability to provide iconic catchphrases and quotes. It's a sign of greatness when individual episodes are fondly remembered and quoted.
diemos 04-01-2009 03:38 PM
________________________________________Seingeld was amazing.
FranklinTard 04-01-2009 04:10 PM
________________________________________yea i love me some seingeld.
JBond 04-01-2009 04:44 PM
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It was the original Firefly.. sort of
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I was under the impression that The Honeymooers had about 3 incarnations. Like they kept bringing it back.
"Yeah, and my name is Jerry Cougar Melloncamp"
Ramplate 04-01-2009 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by JBond (Post 2576850)
I was under the impression that The Honeymooers had about 3 incarnations. Like they kept bringing it back.
"Yeah, and my name is Jerry Cougar Melloncamp"
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yeah it started as part of Cavalcade of Stars - then by itself - then back to part of a variety show again - and then again in the 60's with some different actresses.
IanTheCool 04-01-2009 05:33 PM
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4. All in the Family (1971-1979)
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Archie Bunker is one of the most colourful and important characters in television history. Why? Because he was able to bring out the prejudices f our society out for all to see. For some he was able to show that maybe they weren't that different from him after all. He made we as an audience face our own biases. All in the family was an important show when it aired and its legacy is still important today.
JBond 04-01-2009 06:17 PM
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It certainly did push the envelope. All most too much at times. Has anyone seen that episode where someone breaks in and is trying to rape the mother? Complete with laugh track and all.
Dracula 04-01-2009 06:49 PM
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Aparently someone else thought the show pushed the boundry a bit too far...
VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:
:omg:
IanTheCool 04-01-2009 09:37 PM
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3. I Love Lucy (1951-1960)
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Not including Lucy on this list would be like AFI not including Casablanca in their top ten. I personally am not a big fan of I Love Lucy, but it is an undeniable classic which laid a foundation for television comedy, and television in general, for the next fifty years.
JBond 04-01-2009 09:41 PM
________________________________________Hogan's Heroes is next.
Big-Lead5 04-01-2009 10:04 PM
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2 Great shows Lucy still makes me laugh. i did wonder if lucy and archie be on this list.
bbf2 04-01-2009 10:05 PM
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"Small wonder" is going to be number one.
Bamfosaurus14 04-01-2009 10:17 PM
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No,
The Man Show will definitely be the greatest show of all time
JBond 04-01-2009 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by bbf2 (Post 2577019)
"Small wonder" is going to be number one.
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I can still hear the theme song to that one.
IanTheCool 04-02-2009 07:53 AM
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2. M*A*S*H* (1972-1983)
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Mash blurred the lined of drama and comedy, using the Korean War as its backdrop. Mash was an incredibly funny show with something to say. Sure it could be melodramatic at times, but usually it managed to hit just the right note. The characters are memorable as are the ideals they struggled to maintain in the chaos of war.
Knerys 04-02-2009 10:56 AM
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Radar and Klinger were my favorites.
JBond 04-02-2009 01:45 PM
________________________________________Well I was wrong, MASH wasn't #1.
IanTheCool 04-02-2009 06:21 PM
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1. The Simpsons (1989-present)
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When it comes to television, The Simpsons is almost on a different plane than all other shows. The Simpsons has carved out a unique place for itself in pop culture. Not only are Homer, Bart, Marge and Lisa Simpson household names, but even the dozens of supporting characters are very widely known: Mr. Burns, Moe the bartender, Chief Wiggum, Groundskeeper Willie, Sideshow Bob, Duffman, and the list goes on and on and on.
The Simpsons is comedic genius. The first half of the shows long and successful run of almost 20 years is simply untouched it terms of quality in the writing. The greatest episodes of the Simpsons are simply some of the greatest episodes of TV period. And there are many, many of these great episodes. Simpsons manages to find just the right balance between slapstick humour and social satire which allows this show to be vastly layered in its levels of humor.
The Simpsons is simply the greatest television show ever.
JBond 04-02-2009 06:54 PM
________________________________________Woo-hoo!
Big-Lead5 04-02-2009 08:39 PM
________________________________________I liked your last 5 Ian great job
JheyDC 04-02-2009 08:41 PM
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Awesome! Good Job choosing the Simpsons IAN
IanTheCool 04-02-2009 09:20 PM
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Thanks guys.
I think Tornado is planning to put up his own TV show list.
donny 04-02-2009 09:26 PM
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Eat my shorts.
..... Or, is that like, 15 years ago?
Knerys 04-03-2009 12:32 PM
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I saw this coming, not that I disagree. Though, I think I'm the only person here who doesn't really watch the Simpsons....
Tornado 04-03-2009 12:37 PM
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I'm going to opt out Ian. I had started it, but it just became too predictable in my head.
For those interested, Lost would have been #1 (shocking!). BSG #2, Dexter probably 3, and then either Angel or Smallville in the 4/5 spots.
JBond 04-03-2009 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Knerys (Post 2577969)
I saw this coming, not that I disagree. Though, I think I'm the only person here who doesn't really watch the Simpsons....
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For the last time, YES!
(And yes, I managed to make that a Simpsons quote. That's how important it is
. Anyone know it?)equipe 04-03-2009 02:05 PM
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I like seeing M*A*S*H so highly rated. Such a brilliant show. Under-appreciated by most people under 30.
FranklinTard 04-03-2009 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Knerys (Post 2577969)
I saw this coming, not that I disagree. Though, I think I'm the only person here who doesn't really watch the Simpsons....
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you never did or don't now?
i haven't watched in a good 5 years, not even re runs, i am completely burnt out on simpsons.
Knerys 04-03-2009 02:34 PM
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Never did. Granted I have seen a few episodes here and there but I couldn't name a single one and I doubt it's even enough to fill a whole season.
Guess I was too busy watching Star Trek.
JBond 04-03-2009 03:26 PM
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You clearly didn't see the right ones.
Tornado 04-03-2009 03:27 PM
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Yeah, she must have been watching from like the last 8 or 9 years.
Knerys 04-03-2009 03:28 PM
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On the other hand I have seen every episode of Futurama at least 2 or 3 times.
JBond 04-03-2009 03:33 PM
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You've done some things right. Some.
IanTheCool 04-05-2009 12:31 PM
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The Ten Best Cities to Visit
10. Las Vegas, USA
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There is no other city in the world which has quite the same reputation that Vegas has. Las Vegas has defined itself as the ultimate entertainment town, where its okay to be as crazy as you want. There are casinos, theaters, magic shows, circus acts, and of course Wayne Newton. Las Vegas is all sorts of fun rolled into one classy package.
Big-Lead5 04-05-2009 12:34 PM
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Have you been to Vegas Ian? i haven't hopefuly next year for me this year going back to Orlando.
IanTheCool 04-05-2009 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Big-Lead5 (Post 2578876)
Have you been to Vegas Ian? i haven't hopefuly next year for me this year going back to Orlando.
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No I haven't, though a lot of my friends have in the last couple of years. It seems to be the thing to do now.
I have only actually been to three of the cities that are going to show up on this list. The others are based on researching travel companies, etc. as well as the cities themselves.
Big-Lead5 04-05-2009 12:46 PM
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oh ok lol i thought maybe you been there thats why i ask
Dracula 04-05-2009 02:01 PM
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Bright light city gonna set my soul, Gonna set my soul on FIRE!
JBond 04-05-2009 02:23 PM
________________________________________*Goes to watch Rainman*
Bamfosaurus14 04-05-2009 03:37 PM
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im gonna be mad if the greatest city in the world, NYC, isn't number 1
IanTheCool 04-05-2009 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Bamfosaurus14 (Post 2578936)
im gonna be mad if the greatest city in the world, NYC, isn't number 1
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* looks at bamfosaurus's location
hmm, biased much?
JBond 04-05-2009 04:25 PM
________________________________________"#9. Ottawa"
IanTheCool 04-05-2009 04:32 PM
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IanTheCool 04-05-2009 04:51 PM
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9. Hong Kong, China
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Hong Kong is a rich and vibrant city where Western Culture meets Eastern. One of the most important financial cities in the world is also home to a flourishing nightlife and is considered perhaps the greatest city to go to for high dining and cuisine. Not to mention it is often considered to have the greatest skyline in the world.
JBond 04-05-2009 05:21 PM
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Just to be annoying, is it really in China, though?
Bamfosaurus14 04-05-2009 06:30 PM
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well maybe i am just a tiny bit biased
but come on, no where is better to visit than the big apple
living there is a different story =P
IanTheCool 04-05-2009 11:07 PM
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8. Beijing, China
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Beijing is one of the most culturally rich cities in the world seeping in history and significance. Not only are there the classic attractions like the Forbidden City and Temple of the Heavens, but with the Olympics now past, the city has been rejuvenated with all kinds of modern architecture as well. And of course, perhaps the best reason to visit this city is its close proximity to possibly the greatest man-made structure in history the Great Wall of China.
JheyDC 04-06-2009 09:39 AM
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One of the richest place right now where the US can barrow money is CHINA...
IanTheCool 04-06-2009 09:54 AM
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7. Kyoto, Japan
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While modern Japan is flourishing in Tokyo, old Japan is still alive and well in Kyoto, the country's cultural capital. Kyoto has 17 UNESCO world heritage sites! This includes the Kiyomizu-dera and the Golden Pavilion. For a taste of historic and majestic Japan, you need go no further than Kyoto.
Bamfosaurus14 04-06-2009 10:16 AM
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yay kyoto!
Don't know a thing about it except the united states won't sign it =P
Knerys 04-06-2009 11:15 AM
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Just to be annoying, is it really in China, though?
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Britain gave it back in 1999.
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7. Kyoto, Japan
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While modern Japan is flourishing in Tokyo, old Japan is still alive and well in Kyoto, the country's cultural capital. Kyoto has 17 UNESCO world heritage sites! This includes the Kiyomizu-dera and the Golden Pavilion. For a taste of historic and majestic Japan, you need go no further than Kyoto.
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Kyoto is beautiful. I want to go back to Japan so badly!
And I better see London on this list!
JheyDC 04-06-2009 11:20 AM
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I have a feeling London will be the top three...
JBond 04-06-2009 03:09 PM
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I've only been to Vegas so far on this list....
I'm more of a US traveler, not a world traveler. (Been to 48 states)
JBond 04-06-2009 03:11 PM
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Rome, Venice, Florence, London, Paris, Cincinnatti...
Big-Lead5 04-06-2009 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JBond (Post 2579470)
I've only been to Vegas so far on this list....
I'm more of a US traveler, not a world traveler. (Been to 48 states)
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Quite few states i only been to about 34 states i belive i been to that many cause i drove across country twice in my life.and drove to fl and back 3 times
IanTheCool 04-06-2009 05:43 PM
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6. Venice, Italy
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There is truly no city like Venice. I mean, come on! Its a city on water! An actual city on water! Sure it may be crowded with tourists, but Venice is truly scenic with boats and gondolas drifting through the Grand Canal, under the Rialto Bridge, waving to onlookers from St. Mark's Square while passing the Doges palace. Venice is unique and is a city that must be seen to be believed.
Doomsday 04-06-2009 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by JBond (Post 2579470)
I've only been to Vegas so far on this list....
I'm more of a US traveler, not a world traveler. (Been to 48 states)
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Which ones have evaded you?
JBond 04-06-2009 06:14 PM
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Alaska and Mississippi (and maybe Alabama...). Those other two might seem weird, but I think I missed that little area in between my road trip to Texas and my road trip to Florida (from Wisconsin, of course).
IanTheCool 04-07-2009 01:07 AM
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5. London, England
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London has a life all its own. There is something there for everyone, whether you like theater, shopping, sports, or historic sites. London has it all. You would be hard pressed to run out of things to do with the Tower of London, Westminster Abbey, Greenwich observatory, Buckingham palace, Hyde park, etc. London's charm shines through with its homey pubs, thriving nightlife, and even its familiar underground "tube". The Tower Bridge and Big Ben light up the skyline alone the Thames so that no one can mistake the great and wonderful city of London.
Alien 04-07-2009 05:50 AM
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London is actually quite boring. I've been there and after a weekend I feel like I've done everything and have no need to go back. If I ever wanted to go see something in the theater then maybe but really that's not likely.
IanTheCool 04-07-2009 11:05 AM
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I love London. It's one of my favorite cities.
JheyDC 04-07-2009 11:09 AM
________________________________________London Baby Yeah!
IanTheCool 04-07-2009 11:09 AM
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4. Rio De Janeiro, Brazil
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This may be a controversial pick because of the heavy violence and dire social issues contained in Rio, yet I put it in because it is a list of cities to visit, not to live. And Rio is the only city in the world to have two World Wonders (one from the 7 man made wonders and 1 from the 7 natural wonders). Christ the Redeemer watches over the city's incredible and unique coastline. And don't forget the world famous Copacabana beach. Visit during Carnivale and this city will definitely earn its #4 place on this list.
JheyDC 04-07-2009 11:15 AM
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Big-Lead5 04-07-2009 11:15 AM
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I Always thought London would be cool place to see.Rio has never cross my mind at all
Knerys 04-07-2009 12:13 PM
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London was never boring. Always something to do.
FranklinTard 04-07-2009 01:50 PM
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christ the redeemer watches over one of the most violent cities in the world... good thing hes keeping a good eye.
Deexan 04-07-2009 03:24 PM
________________________________________Barça for the win.
IanTheCool 04-07-2009 05:12 PM
________________________________________#3 may be a controversial pick.
IanTheCool 04-07-2009 05:16 PM
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3. Jerusalem, Israel
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This may seem like an odd addition to the list, but hear me out. Jerusalem is one of the oldest and most important cities in the world. For anyone whose spirituality is based in western religion, visiting Jerusalem is sure to have a profound impact. To many people, historic sites such as the Dome of the Rock and the Wailing Wall have much, much more meaning than simply sights to see. The walls and streets of Jerusalem literally glow in the evenings (because of the limestone), but also shines with religious significance for Christians, Jews, and Muslims alike.
JBond 04-07-2009 10:12 PM
________________________________________Been there!
IanTheCool 04-07-2009 11:03 PM
________________________________________Really?
IanTheCool 04-07-2009 11:25 PM
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2. New York City, USA
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If there was to be a capital city of the world declared, chances are it would be New York. The Big Apple is a city all its own. Much like London, there is very little you can't do in New York. Its theater district is thriving, its fashion scene it the top of the line, its sports culture is passionate. As for sight-seeing, New York has endless attractions, the foremost being the Statue of Liberty and the Empire State Building. New York is a city which truly has its own lifeblood.
Ser Ty Of Ross 04-07-2009 11:38 PM
________________________________________#1 is Saskatoon isn't it
JBond 04-08-2009 01:15 AM
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Really?
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I've been all over USA but only two places outside: London and Israel. And we only spent one day in London as a sort of extended lay over, but my family and I stayed in Israel for a couple of weeks with family. (Though technically I've been in Canada, too....and Jordan)
Big-Lead5 04-08-2009 09:40 AM
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Only Countrys out of U.S i been is Mexico and iwas Born on Navy Base in Morocco and i don't even remember it i was baby
IanTheCool 04-08-2009 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by JBond (Post 2580265)
I've been all over USA but only two places outside: London and Israel. And we only spent one day in London as a sort of extended lay over, but my family and I stayed in Israel for a couple of weeks with family. (Though technically I've been in Canada, too....and Jordan)
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That's pretty cool.
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#1 is Saskatoon isn't it
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IanTheCool 04-08-2009 09:55 AM
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1. Rome, Italy
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Rome: the Eternal City. Why is Rome the greatest city to visit? Many reasons. First of all you have the lively, bustling culture of Italian life around you, not to mention to incredible Italian cooking, but you also have a city overflowing with history. The Colosseum is every bit as impressive as it should be, the Forum is a reminder of the great Empire of old, the Pantheon still amazingly intact. And don't forget the Trevi Fountain, Spanish Steps, Ostia Antica, and many other attractions.
And then there is Vatican City, which is almost enough to put Rome as first on the list on its own. St. Peter's Basilica is one of the most amazing feats of architecture I have ever seen. Everything about it is incredible fro the massive front doors to the works of the all-time great artists inside (including Michelangelo's Pieta). And of course the Sistine Chapel with Michelangelo's fantastic artwork.
Rome is one of the most important cities in world history and is still perhaps the the most impressive city to see, for all of the reasons above and more. Visit Rome once and you will be aching to return.
Carnage Escobar 04-08-2009 10:39 AM
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Hell Yes. Good choice, Ian. Italy is by far one of the most gorgeous countries in the world and Rome is one of the many reasons why. Never a dull moment when in Italy.
JBond 04-08-2009 01:41 PM
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Someday I hope to go to Italy, though.
Nice list, Ian.
Ramplate 04-08-2009 01:43 PM
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yeah my nephew studied archetecture in Rome - he loved it there.
I've been to 26 states and Canada, Mexico, Costa Rica, Canary Islands, and Jamaica
Knerys 04-08-2009 03:52 PM
________________________________________I will see Rome before I die.
Jason Krueger 04-08-2009 05:47 PM
________________________________________Clock is ticking.
JheyDC 04-08-2009 06:40 PM
________________________________________Crazy Jason at it again!
IanTheCool 04-09-2009 12:48 AM
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My sister is in Rome right now. Lucky. Or she just was in Rome, anyways.
Knerys 04-09-2009 01:36 PM
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Clock is ticking.
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My grandpa's family was from Rome. Time cannot stop me.
JheyDC 04-09-2009 01:38 PM
________________________________________But time CAN be stopped...
diemos 04-09-2009 04:17 PM
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I wish I could go there, some of my friends said its great.
IanTheCool 04-10-2009 11:51 AM
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Alright, I have a feeling I'm going to get a lot of flack for my next list, since I'm not a big video game guy, but I'm doing it anyways!
Big-Lead5 04-10-2009 11:54 AM
________________________________________Its your list dude.
IanTheCool 04-10-2009 12:13 PM
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The Ten Greatest Video Games of All-Time
10. Grand Theft Auto 3
PS2/XBox/PC
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I really could have thrown up any of the last four GTA games in this position (3, 4, Vice City, San Andreas). I decided to go with the third one because it was the most revolutionary of the highly controversial franchise. What GTA was able to do was create an almost fully-interactive world with its 3D Renderware engine, including non-linear missions radio stations in the cars. Each of the next three GTA games stepped it up a notch, making their worlds even more interactive, but GTA III was the one that really started it off.
Big-Lead5 04-10-2009 12:18 PM
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Good game hope spaced invaders make your list
JheyDC 04-10-2009 12:56 PM
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Or...the very first Mario game on Nintendo..good 'ol days...*tear
Boro 04-10-2009 12:58 PM
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Don't listen to either of these two, there are much better games.
JheyDC 04-10-2009 01:00 PM
________________________________________Ok?
ViRUs 04-10-2009 01:11 PM
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lol, thats right, make your own list. Its off to a good start so far though.
Big-Lead5 04-10-2009 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Boro (Post 2581566)
Don't listen to either of these two, there are much better games.
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Whats wrong with spaced invaders and Mario brothers? there great games
Boro 04-10-2009 02:53 PM
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There's nothing wrong with either of them (I agree they're both good). However there are better shooters than Space Invaders, and is Super Mario Bros.--neglecting the rest of the platformer genre--even considered one of the better games in the main series?
FranklinTard 04-10-2009 02:59 PM
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no its all about super mario bros 3. but when you package anything with duck hunt, it will be a smash, simple economics.
JheyDC 04-10-2009 03:24 PM
________________________________________ok?
IanTheCool 04-10-2009 04:10 PM
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9. Super Mario Kart
SNES
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Let's ask ourselves, what is the purpose of video games? For fun and enjoyment. Super Mario Kart is engineered for pure, unadulterated fun and is one of the best games to serve that purpose. Its a racing game, but so much more. Even those who don't care for racing games can get into the battle-mode aspects and the competition it breeds. The concept is pretty simple and has proven successful almost every time Nintendo brings it back.
Dhamon22 04-10-2009 04:57 PM
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Yes. Loved that game. Played the hell out of it back in the day. Good choice. I think its the best of all the kart games.
ViRUs 04-10-2009 05:34 PM
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lol, I remember playing that so much too. It was actually better than the one that came out for the 64.
Bamfosaurus14 04-10-2009 05:36 PM
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i know its a little late but i was glad to see New York City #2
but im pretty sure its better than Rome
That might just be the Long Islander in me......
Can't go wrong with Super mario Kart!
IanTheCool 04-10-2009 07:15 PM
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8. Chrono Trigger
SNES
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Chrono Trigger is one of the most influential games in the RPG genre which became extremely popular due to the way it allowed character development throughout the game. Chrono Trigger's fighting platform and story allows it to still be one of the best RPG games out there, despite the exponential growth in video game technology.
ViRUs 04-10-2009 07:42 PM
________________________________________I dont think I've ever played this....
JBond 04-11-2009 12:08 AM
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Gotta love Mario Kart.
I predict "Link to the Past" for best game, unless youre going to go all classic again and make it Pong because it revolutionized video games, or some crap like that.
FranklinTard 04-11-2009 12:39 AM
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awesome fan drawing for chrono trigger. only rpg that really grabbed me.
Justin 04-11-2009 09:54 AM
________________________________________yeah, Chrono Trigger is awesome.
Alien 04-11-2009 10:05 AM
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GTA: Vice City was better than GTA 3 if you ask me. Sure it's not a big change between the games but they took what they had done in 3 and gave it the best story. San Andreas then just went too big and over the top and lost it for me.
Again Super Mario Kart was great but Mario Kart 64 was my favorite.
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awesome fan drawing for chrono trigger. only rpg that really grabbed me.
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Also what pic are you talking about?
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IanTheCool 04-11-2009 10:53 AM
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7. Tetris
Multiple Systems
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Move over Rubik's Cube. Abstract puzzle games had their new champion when a Russian computer programmer developed Tetris, which spread throughout Russia and eventually throughout the world. Tetris has the ability to span all gamer groups (including non-gamers) and all generations. It has become one of the most recognizable games in popular culture today and let's face it, its still fun to play every time you sit down in front of it.
Big-Lead5 04-11-2009 10:54 AM
________________________________________Tetris way too fun i love this game
FranklinTard 04-11-2009 10:59 AM
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Also what pic are you talking about?
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truly what am i talking about... forgot about the cover.
Jason Krueger 04-11-2009 11:00 AM
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I remember when I was really young I didn't quite understand tetris, I thought you had to build stuff and I got mad cause I kept losing, then when I got my first cell phone I had the game on there and I finally figured out what you were suppose to do and HOLY CRAP! That game was addicting, I'd play it all the time, fun to just pass the time and then my phone broke.....
IanTheCool 04-11-2009 12:42 PM
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6. Half-Life 2
PC
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Half-life 2 made massive advancements in video game technology and is one of the most critically-acclaimed games there has ever been. Half-life 2 has been described as "a masterpiece" and "a work of art in the genre" -IGN. It is the greatest first-person shooter ever made and one of the most flawless video games to date.
Justin 04-11-2009 12:53 PM
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one of my favorite games. nice choice...
IanTheCool 04-11-2009 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by JBond (Post 2581788)
Gotta love Mario Kart.
I predict "Link to the Past" for best game, unless youre going to go all classic again and make it Pong because it revolutionized video games, or some crap like that.
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Yes, pong. You guessed it. I can't get anything past you guys.
Alien 04-11-2009 12:56 PM
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I've only played Half -Life 2 on the Orange Box on thexBox 360 and really it seemed kinda average for a first person shooter.
FranklinTard 04-11-2009 01:00 PM
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yea but half life pretty much invented the physics engine that is used in basically, all games nowadays.
JBond 04-11-2009 01:13 PM
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Never played Half-Life, but I heard good things.
I assume BattleToads will be on the list somewhere!
Justin 04-11-2009 01:14 PM
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This too:
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JBond 04-11-2009 01:15 PM
________________________________________And Exciteabike.
Deexan 04-11-2009 02:46 PM
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Still play snes mario kart on a weekly basis, my only problem being that the single player gets boring pretty quickly. For multiplayer though it is #1.
IanTheCool 04-11-2009 07:56 PM
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5. Super Mario Bros.
NES
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Alright, yes there were video games before Mario: pong, space invaders, pac man. But let's face it; Super Mario Bros. was when video games really began. This is the quintessential video game with the greatest legacy in the history of the entire industry. And tis just one hell of a fun game. Its simple side-scrolling enterntainment which can still hold its own against all of the high-graphics, multi-interactive games of today. Super Mario Bros. is the classic of all classics.
JBond 04-11-2009 09:42 PM
________________________________________Do-do do do-do DO...do.
IanTheCool 04-12-2009 12:05 PM
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4. Final Fantasy VII
PS/PC
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The seventh installment of the popular RPG series set a new standard for video games when it was released. The story, gameplay, graphics, and sound are all top-notch, combining together to make one of the most outstanding video game experiences one could have. The story is what really stands out tough, with its cinematic cut-scenes backed up by an incredible soundtrack.
Dracula 04-12-2009 12:20 PM
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I was always more into FF8, but I can see why 7 was a bit more influential.
JBond 04-12-2009 02:01 PM
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I never played a FF game, I'm sorry to say. And I'm thinking maybe Ocarina of Time should be #1 instead of Link to the Past. Not that it's better, per se...
IanTheCool 04-12-2009 02:21 PM
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3. Metal Gear Solid
PS
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Konami's tactical espionage game blew gamers away with its storyline and tactile gameplay. MGS has lead to three sequels, each of which has added to the graphics and improving in various aspects of the game. Everything about Metal Gear works; the primary character Solid Snake who is now one of the most popular VG characters, the engaging, rich, and almost philosophical storyline, the evasive stealth gameplay as opposed to just shooting everything you see, it all works brilliantly.
JBond 04-12-2009 02:25 PM
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I only played Metal Gear for the NES...which is probably different than this one.
Justin 04-12-2009 02:30 PM
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nice choices; FFVII was my favorite, and of course I love MGS.
IanTheCool 04-12-2009 02:47 PM
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I only played Metal Gear for the NES...which is probably different than this one.
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Yeah, a little different, yet the basis for MGS was laid out by Metal Gear. The whole stealth play mode was started with the NES game, but with playstation they were really able to take that idea and just make it great. I recommend playing any of the MGS games. They're fantastic.
Alien 04-12-2009 05:11 PM
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I only played Metal Gear Solid for the N64, or was it the Gamecube. They re-mixed some of the music, re-voiced some characters and made it look a little cooler.
Dracula 04-12-2009 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Alien (Post 2582311)
I only played Metal Gear Solid for the N64, or was it the Gamecube. They re-mixed some of the music, re-voiced some characters and made it look a little cooler.
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i'm pretty sure you're talking about The Twin Snakes on the Gamecube. A remake similar in nature to the GC Resident Evil remake. It did more than a little tweaking, it basicly remade the whole game using the MGS2 technology.
The game was NEVER ported to the N64
Alien 04-12-2009 06:00 PM
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Really? I thought it was just a port. But yeah that's the game.
Dracula 04-12-2009 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Alien (Post 2582325)
Really? I thought it was just a port. But yeah that's the game.
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Yeah, the graphics are vastly improved in the GC version
There are also new gameplay addition like first person shooting abilities (which arguably ruined some of the boss fights)
The voice acting is re-recorded, though they're the same actors. The story is more or less the same.
Carnage Escobar 04-12-2009 10:46 PM
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Ah, the best game ever for the Playstation. Excellent choice, oddly enough, it's also on my #3 of favorite video games of all time. It set the bar for video games with deeper storylines.
IanTheCool 04-12-2009 11:19 PM
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2. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
N64
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Nintendo's adaption of their popular Zelda series to 3D turned out being a masterpiece of the video game genre. Ocarina of Time is constantly popping up at the top of Top Ten lists by all sorts of video game experts. The imaginative and philosophical world of Hyrule became more interactive than ever, providing one of the highest forms of entertainment electronic gaming has ever provided.
Carnage Escobar 04-12-2009 11:40 PM
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Oh wow, I'm surprised you didn't put this at #1. Now I'm curious as all hell.
Ser Ty Of Ross 04-13-2009 09:38 AM
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I'm guessing Starcraft, mind you I probobly wouldn't have picked half of what\s here
Of course the other option would be Pac Man
Justin 04-13-2009 09:57 AM
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i remember spending days on that game...love it
ViRUs 04-13-2009 10:10 AM
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yeah me too, I played that game so much and loved every second of it.
IanTheCool 04-13-2009 10:51 AM
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1. Super Mario Bros. 3
NES
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That's right, fir the number 1 pick I did not go with the game with the most high-tech graphics and technical elements or the most deep and involving storyline. I went with a game that is just pure fun with bright, vibrant and colourful visuals, which is good for all time zones and can span across generations. The release of Super Mario Bros. 3 was a big deal back in 1989 and its release managed to take video games up to a whole new epic level.
The eight lands and maps of the Mushroom Kingdom were able to truly create a rich, engaging world. Many new elements were added to the Mario gameplay, all of which worked brilliantly. It may have been twenty years ago, but Mario 3 is still the greatest game ever made.
ViRUs 04-13-2009 10:53 AM
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That was a good game, I remember I would play that so much too. I knew every shortcut and everything. I could beat this game in like a half an hour.
Good list Ian.
Boro 04-13-2009 11:27 AM
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Not a bad list, but I don't agree with a lot of these.
VII gets a lot of the spot light, but FF VI, VIII, and IX are all better.
Majora's Mask is a better game then OoT in just about every way, and I think if you're going to think about going with OoT you might as well just pick Link to the Past instead.
I'm glad to see Chrono Trigger and Metal Gear Solid on here though, and I'm glad to see GoldenEye wasn't.
Glad to see Super Mario Bros. 3 (World would have been a good choice too) as well, not sure how I feel about it being number 1.
Not a fan of Tetris, Super Mario Bros, or Super Mario Kart on there either.
Where is the love for Super Metroid?
IanTheCool 04-13-2009 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Boro (Post 2582561)
Not a bad list, but I don't agree with a lot of these.
VII gets a lot of the spot light, but FF VI, VIII, and IX are all better.
Majora's Mask is a better game then OoT in just about every way, and I think if you're going to think about going with OoT you might as well just pick Link to the Past instead.
I'm glad to see Chrono Trigger and Metal Gear Solid on here though, and I'm glad to see GoldenEye wasn't.
Glad to see Super Mario Bros. 3 (World would have been a good choice too) as well, not sure how I feel about it being number 1.
Not a fan of Tetris, Super Mario Bros, or Super Mario Kart on there either.
Where is the love for Super Metroid?
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If I ever get around to extending the list, super metroid will probably be pretty close to the top ten.
JheyDC 04-13-2009 12:19 PM
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Yes! Awesome last 5 there...I knew Super Mario made your list and Ocarina of Time..awesome game right there! Oh the effort I put in remembering all the C-Key combos for Link's Ocarina...lol
Big-Lead5 04-13-2009 12:47 PM
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Great List Ian i love Super Mario Bros 3
Justin 04-13-2009 12:48 PM
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i don't remember super mario 3 that well, perhaps i'll rectify that....
and good choice with ocarina of time.
JheyDC 04-13-2009 12:54 PM
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You should..does your Nintendo still work Justin?
Justin 04-13-2009 12:56 PM
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i only have a SNES and it's back home. i'll probably download an emulator.
JheyDC 04-13-2009 01:08 PM
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IC...you should definitely check it out...worth it...
JBond 04-13-2009 01:44 PM
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Good list, Ian.
I may have included Goldeneye and Super Metroid in mine. Perhaps Mario 64, as well.
IanTheCool 04-13-2009 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by JBond (Post 2582664)
Good list, Ian.
I may have included Goldeneye and Super Metroid in mine. Perhaps Mario 64, as well.
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Mario 64 was close. Its probably 11.
MasterChief117 04-13-2009 02:00 PM
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These are all good but I would like to see some more 'today' games in there. I do agree on a few but most of the list is not my thing.
JheyDC 04-13-2009 02:03 PM
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^ That's why the thread is called Ian's Top Ten Thread
IanTheCool 04-13-2009 02:48 PM
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^ That's why the thread is called Ian's Top Ten Thread
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Well, I do try to make objective lists. His criticism is valid, but I don't really know if any really recent games would make the cut myself.
Knerys 04-13-2009 02:50 PM
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Nice list. Interesting choices and absolutely worthy.
Alien 04-13-2009 03:20 PM
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2. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
N64
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Nintendo's adaption of their popular Zelda series to 3D turned out being a masterpiece of the video game genre. Ocarina of Time is constantly popping up at the top of Top Ten lists by all sorts of video game experts. The imaginative and philosophical world of Hyrule became more interactive than ever, providing one of the highest forms of entertainment electronic gaming has ever provided.
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I could never complete that game on my own no matter how many time I've tried. The Water Temple just becomes a maze and I can't find keys that are needed to get past it. I've finnished the game because a friend showed me what to do but on replaying it I couldn't remember where the damned keys were.
JheyDC 04-13-2009 03:31 PM
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LOL that's funny Alien...Yeah..I remember going through that...
JBond 04-13-2009 03:56 PM
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The Water Temple was frusterating, yes. Was anyone ever able to catch the "Lunker fish" or whatever that roamed on the bottom of the fishing pond? I got the sinking lure and tried it, but nothing ever worked....I always wondered what would happen if you got it.
Justin 04-13-2009 04:00 PM
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i don't remember that, but the water temple was the most frustrating temple for me as well....
iv3rdawG 04-13-2009 04:02 PM
________________________________________VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:
JBond 04-13-2009 04:08 PM
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I always loved the Gerudo Valley music, I even learned it on guitar.
iv3rdawG 04-13-2009 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JBond (Post 2582810)
I always loved the Gerudo Valley music, I even learned it on guitar.
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VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:
JheyDC 04-14-2009 09:58 AM
________________________________________Definitely a great game!
IanTheCool 04-14-2009 11:53 AM
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The Ten Best Simpsons Episodes
10. Summer of 4 Ft. 2
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Usually I groan a little inside when I see a Lisa-centric episode come on, but the seventh season finale is definitely the best they have done with Lisa's stories. As she explores who she is and the reason for her unpopularity, she makes friends at the lake and begins to realize that maybe its not about how you dress yourself up but more about how confidant you are in yourself. And even though it is Lisa's story, Homer is also in top-notch comedic form, especially with his illegal fireworks.
ViRUs 04-14-2009 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by JBond (Post 2582801)
The Water Temple was frusterating, yes. Was anyone ever able to catch the "Lunker fish" or whatever that roamed on the bottom of the fishing pond? I got the sinking lure and tried it, but nothing ever worked....I always wondered what would happen if you got it.
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Yeah, I think I got it. I think all you got was a heart piece or something. I dont really remember it being anything major.
I remember that episode of the Simpsons too, those were the days...
diemos 04-14-2009 01:29 PM
________________________________________Simpsons are great
iv3rdawG 04-14-2009 01:31 PM
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Yeah that was a good one. The part where Homer, Marge and Bart are playing the board game with Milhouse and Bart gets "The Dud" who looks exactly like Milhouse is so great :funny:. Christina Ricci was good too.
"Who does he think he is, Dennis the Menace?"
Justin 04-14-2009 01:33 PM
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JBond 04-14-2009 01:48 PM
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Yeah, I think I got it. I think all you got was a heart piece or something. I dont really remember it being anything major.
I remember that episode of the Simpsons too, those were the days...
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Nah, I got all of the heart pieces. This was after you caught a big fish or something, anyway it doens't matter.
And that episode was pretty good, but I doubt it'd be in my top ten.
IanTheCool 04-14-2009 02:55 PM
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9. Who Shot Mr. Burns? (part 1)
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The Simpsons' Take on the famous Dallas season ending cliffhanger saw Mr. Burns in the J.R. role with all of the town members as suspects in the shooting. This episode sets up a wonderful atmosphere of foreboding with many classic moments as each of the characters explores their dark sides. The first part of the only two-part episodes in Simpsons history left us guessing all summer, and even now that we know, the episode is still one of the best there is.
ViRUs 04-14-2009 03:39 PM
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lol, i loved this one.
Dr. Hibbert: "I dont know who shot Mr. Burns. Do you?" *points at camera*
Wiggum: "Uh, well..... I could take a guess, afterall, it is my job....."
priceless
IanTheCool 04-14-2009 08:21 PM
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8. Homer Vs. The 18th Amendment
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Homer as the beer baron, Rex Banner, Moe's pet shop, this episode has tons of great gags. Homer fighting against prohibition provides some great entertainment, including one of The Simpsons' most heavily quoted lines; "To Alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems."
Big-Lead5 04-14-2009 08:28 PM
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That was good 1 i lke how they put booze in bowling bowls going to moes.
iv3rdawG 04-14-2009 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by iv3rdawG (Post 2583197)
The part where Homer, Marge and Bart are playing the board game with Milhouse and Bart gets "The Dud" who looks exactly like Milhouse is so great :funny:.
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Haha, found a picture:
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:lol:
JheyDC 04-15-2009 09:48 AM
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Homer truly is talented and very clever
IanTheCool 04-15-2009 11:09 AM
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7. Rosebud
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The Simpsons' take on Citizen Kane has Mr. Burns pining away for his long-lost teddy bear Bobo, which falls in the arms of Maggie Simpson. Now Homer must decide between rewards and riches and the happiness of his daughter. Rosebud is a great example of when the show's storytelling and writing was the best in the business. And this one can tug at the heart-strings as well.
JBond 04-15-2009 02:14 PM
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Rosebud's a good one.
Would you mind if I did my own Simpsons top 10 list and posted it here?
diemos 04-15-2009 04:00 PM
________________________________________that's great, lol.
IanTheCool 04-15-2009 04:24 PM
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6. Homer at the Bat
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Homer finally gains respect at the slugger on the power plant's softball team, until Daryl Strawberry comes along. This episode really had it all; funny guest star cameos, great gags, movie parodies, and of course that incredibly catchy theme song during the end credits. This was one of the Simpsons' best as it came into its prime.
IanTheCool 04-15-2009 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by JBond (Post 2583668)
Rosebud's a good one.
Would you mind if I did my own Simpsons top 10 list and posted it here?
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Yeah, once I'm done mine, feel free to thrown yours up.
JBond 04-15-2009 04:45 PM
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Daaaaaaaaaryl.......Daaaaaaaaaryl........
Tornado 04-15-2009 04:47 PM
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You Only Move Twice better be in the top 5! [shakes fist]
ViRUs 04-15-2009 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by JBond (Post 2583743)
Daaaaaaaaaryl.......Daaaaaaaaaryl........
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Kids, thats not going to phase him, he's a professional athlete.
*Tear rolls down cheek*
good stuff
PG Cooper 04-15-2009 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ViRUs (Post 2583753)
Kids, thats not going to phase him, he's a professional athlete.
*Tear rolls down cheek*
good stuff
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Best Part of the episode!
JBond 04-15-2009 08:02 PM
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Or when they arrest Steve Sax just because he's from NY and there are a lot of murders down there.
"You just don't know when to keep your mouth shut, do you?"
IanTheCool 04-16-2009 12:01 AM
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5. Homer's Barbershop Quartet
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Ah, the B Sharps. This hilarious look into Homer's past as a barbershop superstar is one of the best episodes the show has come up with for sure. Gearge Harrison has a great cameo, back when cameos actually meant something and flowed naturally with the story, unlike now when they are just there to showcase whatever celebrity needs attention at the moment.
This episode is full of great moments from beginning to end, and let's face it; "Baby on Board" is catchy.
JheyDC 04-16-2009 09:31 AM
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Alien 04-16-2009 09:38 AM
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Homer:
Hmm, "Baby on Board..." [sings]
Baby On Board,
Something something, Burt Ward...
[spoken] This thing writes itself!
IanTheCool 04-16-2009 11:52 AM
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4. Cape Feare
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Sideshow Bob episodes were like that special dessert when you were a kid that you were only allowed to have every once in a while but couldn't wait until the next time. And Cape Feare was the best of the lot. Cape Feare was able to set up a ton of laughs in a great brooding atmosphere. And who could forget such gags as the "Hello Mr. Thompson" bit and Homer's hockey mask and chain saw.
And the rakes. Ahhhhhh, the rakes.
Big-Lead5 04-16-2009 11:54 AM
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iv3rdawG 04-16-2009 12:15 PM
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"BART YOU WANT TO SEE MY NEW CHAINSAW AND HOCKEY MASK?!"
JBond 04-16-2009 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by iv3rdawG (Post 2584157)
"BART YOU WANT TO SEE MY NEW CHAINSAW AND HOCKEY MASK?!"
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That right there represents my favorite part in ALL of Simpsons. Also, if you listen to the commentary you'll learn that Conan O'Brien came up with that joke.
IanTheCool 04-16-2009 01:57 PM
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3. Flaming Moe's
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What Flaming Moe's does is it sets up a tone and atmosphere in the episode which is almost unique. Moe's tavern has suddenly become the hip place to be, with Aerosmith playing almost every night and resembling the lifestyle of Cheers. A solid episode from beginning to end, one of the best the Simpsons has to offer.
JBond 04-16-2009 05:09 PM
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Yeah, that's a good one. I like the Cheers/Moe song.
Alien 04-16-2009 05:14 PM
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I really hate the Flaming Moe episode, I'd love a drink that worked that way though.
IanTheCool 04-16-2009 05:16 PM
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I really hate the Flaming Moe episode, I'd love a drink that worked that way though.
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You hate it? Really? Why?
IanTheCool 04-16-2009 05:41 PM
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2. Marge vs. The Monorail
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Sometimes the Simpsons manages to reach heights of pure comedic genius, as the did with the story of how Springfield tried to rejuvenate their city with a monorail doomed for disaster. Everything that makes The Simpsons great is present in this episode, hilarious gags, great storytelling, guest stars (Nimoy and Hartman), satire, a comical musical number, and so on. One of the greatest 30 minutes television has to offer.
Tornado 04-16-2009 05:46 PM
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^ Yes. Marge Vs. the Monorail is probably my favorite episode of the series.
JBond 04-16-2009 06:41 PM
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Yeah, I thought that one might be near the top. Good ol' Conan, again.
"A solar eclipse; the cosmic ballet continues..."
"Does anyone want to switch seats?"
Good Phil Hartman episode, too.
Dracula 04-16-2009 06:58 PM
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Looks like my favorite episode will either be #1 or off the list
JBond 04-16-2009 07:06 PM
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Yeah, I don't have much hope for mine, either.
Ser Ty Of Ross 04-16-2009 11:28 PM
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My fave (Cape Feare) is already here... so there
IanTheCool 04-17-2009 02:10 AM
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1. Last Exit to Springfield
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When Homer leads a strike at the power plant in order to win a dental plan, he manages to fool Mr. Burns into believing he is one of the greatest minds he's ever met. We, of course, no different. Even Matt Groening himself has acknowledged Last Exit to Springfield as the best Simpsons episode. It has been called "flawless" and "the funniest half-hour in TV history" and is even studied in sociology classes at Berkeley. This is the episode which proves just ho great The Simpsons truly is.
Dracula 04-17-2009 06:47 AM
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I was hoping that "Homer's Enemy" would make it, that to me is easily the greatest.
JheyDC 04-17-2009 09:52 AM
________________________________________Awesome Simpson list Ian.
ViRUs 04-17-2009 11:42 AM
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good list, I'm sure I've seen Last Exit to Springfield, but I cant recall much about it.
Marge Vs the Monorail though, that was a great one.
IanTheCool 04-17-2009 01:03 PM
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Jbond I believe was hoping to do a Simpsons list as well.
JBond 04-17-2009 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by IanTheCool (Post 2584542)
1. Last Exit to Springfield.
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Dental Plan!
Lisa needs braces!
Dental Plan!
Lisa needs braces!
Dental Plan!
Lisa needs braces!
Dental Plan!
Lisa needs braces!
Dental Plan!
Lisa needs braces!
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Originally Posted by Dracula (Post 2584576)
I was hoping that "Homer's Enemy" would make it, that to me is easily the greatest.
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Which one is that? Grimey?
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Originally Posted by IanTheCool (Post 2584714)
Jbond I believe was hoping to do a Simpsons list as well.
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I probably will, but I'm not in a rush.
Dracula 04-17-2009 06:28 PM
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Which one is that? Grimey?
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yes, Grimey
JBond 04-17-2009 09:34 PM
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Dracula 04-17-2009 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by JBond (Post 2584889)
Some call that the worst episode.
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really? why?
JBond 04-17-2009 10:18 PM
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Because it revolved around a character on the outside of "The Simpsons" looking in and pointing out the ridiculousness of their lives, and in essence, the show itself.
Of course, no sane person who watched any episode from the last 5 years would say that it was the worst, but the episode splits many fans.
halo7 04-17-2009 10:45 PM
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My favorite episode is Lisa's First Word.
Dracula 04-17-2009 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by JBond (Post 2584914)
Because it revolved around a character on the outside of "The Simpsons" looking in and pointing out the ridiculousness of their lives, and in essence, the show itself.
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but... but... that's why it's brilliant
JBond 04-17-2009 10:57 PM
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Like I said, it splits people. I like the episode for the most part.
bbf2 04-18-2009 12:25 AM
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My favorite episode is "Kill the Alligator and Run."
Deexan 04-18-2009 02:15 PM
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I would probably put the baseball one at the top of my list, but all those mentioned are gold. 'Homer Goes to College' is one that'd be in my top 5 methinks.
IanTheCool 04-22-2009 01:13 AM
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Alright, JBond wants to do a Simpsons list but until he's ready I'm going to move onto my next list, which is the ten most influential people of the 19th century.
As some of you know, I made a thread a while back about the most influential people of the 20th century and then formulated a Top 100 list. If anyone is interested in taht list, here is the thread. forums.comingsoon.net/showthr...ntury&page =5
Anyways, I though that since I did that list I should go a little further back and do it for the century before. So that is the next list.
