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The death penalty has never been a deterrence to crime. It also costs much more money to keep a convict on death row than it does to keep them imprisoned for life. If one of those were different I might think differently on the death penalty but unfortunately I don't see any humane reason for it other than 'revenge.' Also, that organization released another Planned Parenthood tape even though it had a restraining order against it. Who said anything about death row? I meant take them right after the guilty verdict and do the deed. |
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Post by Ramplate on Jul 31, 2015 11:56:58 GMT -5
I believe the death penalty is useful but only in the rarest of cases where there is no doubt, and where the crimes were so heinous that there is no possible rehabilitation.
The reason it costs more is the appeal process - each appeal can run into the millions of dollars.
The living shouldn't worry about how humane it is - why use alcohol for the injection if the purpose is to make the subject die?
We only try to make the process seem humane to make ourselves feel better about doing it. I frankly don't care if we bring back drawing and quartering.
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Post by Ramplate on Jul 31, 2015 11:59:17 GMT -5
The death penalty has never been a deterrence to crime. It also costs much more money to keep a convict on death row than it does to keep them imprisoned for life. If one of those were different I might think differently on the death penalty but unfortunately I don't see any humane reason for it other than 'revenge.' Also, that organization released another Planned Parenthood tape even though it had a restraining order against it. Who said anything about death row? I meant take them right after the guilty verdict and do the deed. And if there was some sort of flaw in the process that led to a guilty verdict? "Oh, well, he was innocent after all. poor bastard." *shrugs shoulders and walks away* |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 12:26:19 GMT -5
The legal system is not perfect and mistakes will be made, they're still made with the current setup. Might as well make the mistakes quicker and save money. There will never be a perfect legal system no matter how you do it. Cost of living in a society with laws made by man.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 13:10:51 GMT -5
If government money wasn't wasted on PP, law agencies could use those funds and have better equipment and facilities, leading to fewer mistakes. |
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Post by Seakazoo on Jul 31, 2015 13:57:55 GMT -5
If government money wasn't wasted on PP, law agencies could use those funds and have better equipment and facilities, leading to fewer mistakes. A couple quotes in case you can't be bothered to read the whole thing: " Abortions represent 3 percent of total services provided by Planned Parenthood, and roughly 10 percent of its clients received an abortion. The group does receive federal funding, but the money cannot be used for abortions by law." But yeah, they should just yank all funding because some people choose to have an abortion. /s |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 14:47:42 GMT -5
That 3% number you quoted has been found to be way off, the number is more like 40%. You also fail to see that women's health isn't the issue I am complaining about. Out of all the abortion providers available, I have an issue with 1, PP. So stop with the "oh just another man who hates women" BS because never once in this thread or any other have I said anything remotely close to that. PP is an evil enterprise, plain and simple. To clarify once again for you, my beef is with them due to their horrible actions for monetary gains. You actually defend a corporation making money doing illegal D&E abortions to harvest organs for profit. www.100abortionphotos.com/Yea those dont look like real babies at all..... |
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Post by Ramplate on Jul 31, 2015 15:37:30 GMT -5
Did you not read the article? "Planned Parenthood seeks fed study of fetal tissue research"
Bring on the investigation. They look at PP every year plus tax payers money isn't used for the abortion programs
The money they ask for with regards to tissue samples is the cost to maintain the integrity and transport those tissues for scientific research. They aren't making money - covering expenses - there's a difference
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Did you not read the article? "Planned Parenthood seeks fed study of fetal tissue research" Bring on the investigation. They look at PP every year plus tax payers money isn't used for the abortion programs The money they ask for with regards to tissue samples is the cost to maintain the integrity and transport those tissues for scientific research. They aren't making money - covering expenses - there's a difference Explain the price haggling, kick backs and talks of Lamborghinis then please? Storage and transport costs are a flat fee type of thing. Plus most of the labs pick up the remains themselves so why is PP charging for transport costs? They do not separate the organs from the remains either so there is no additional cost to have a tech do that because that is also done in the labs who purchase the remains. The baby is sucked out, put into a bag, and put in a fridge. The labs pick them up, separate organs and offer them for sell on their websites for thousands of dollars, some of which is given back to the PP facility as a kick back. They are covering expenses plus making millions from the sale of parts while getting half a billion dollars a year from the government. So again, explain the kickbacks, price haggling, and talks of exotic cars AND why it is ok for them to break the law and do D&E abortions to harvest more parts. Answer those 4 things, don't sidestep and bring up crap not related to those 4 points. Anyone? |
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Post by Dracula on Jul 31, 2015 18:27:30 GMT -5
Did you not read the article? "Planned Parenthood seeks fed study of fetal tissue research" Bring on the investigation. They look at PP every year plus tax payers money isn't used for the abortion programs The money they ask for with regards to tissue samples is the cost to maintain the integrity and transport those tissues for scientific research. They aren't making money - covering expenses - there's a difference Explain the price haggling, kick backs and talks of Lamborghinis then please? Storage and transport costs are a flat fee type of thing. Plus most of the labs pick up the remains themselves so why is PP charging for transport costs? They do not separate the organs from the remains either so there is no additional cost to have a tech do that because that is also done in the labs who purchase the remains. The baby is sucked out, put into a bag, and put in a fridge. The labs pick them up, separate organs and offer them for sell on their websites for thousands of dollars, some of which is given back to the PP facility as a kick back. They are covering expenses plus making millions from the sale of parts while getting half a billion dollars a year from the government. So again, explain the kickbacks, price haggling, and talks of exotic cars AND why it is ok for them to break the law and do D&E abortions to harvest more parts. Answer those 4 things, don't sidestep and bring up crap not related to those 4 points. Anyone? Dude, there's no point arguing with you about this. I could spend an hour hunting down the many articles from credible sources hat have debunked this whole "controversy" but you're probably not going to listen to them because you've already accepted this narrative that these weird activist propaganda sites you've been reading and aren't going to listen to reason. If you really think that an organization that's under as much scrutiny as Planned Parenthood are going to be engaging in criminal activity over the tiny amounts of money being "quoted" in these videos there's clearly no reasoning with you. There are 9/11 conspiracy theorists who are more open minded, and if you don't think that's what you sound like when talking about this you need to take a step back. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 18:29:18 GMT -5
Explain the price haggling, kick backs and talks of Lamborghinis then please? Storage and transport costs are a flat fee type of thing. Plus most of the labs pick up the remains themselves so why is PP charging for transport costs? They do not separate the organs from the remains either so there is no additional cost to have a tech do that because that is also done in the labs who purchase the remains. The baby is sucked out, put into a bag, and put in a fridge. The labs pick them up, separate organs and offer them for sell on their websites for thousands of dollars, some of which is given back to the PP facility as a kick back. They are covering expenses plus making millions from the sale of parts while getting half a billion dollars a year from the government. So again, explain the kickbacks, price haggling, and talks of exotic cars AND why it is ok for them to break the law and do D&E abortions to harvest more parts. Answer those 4 things, don't sidestep and bring up crap not related to those 4 points. Anyone? Dude, there's no point arguing with you about this. I could spend an hour hunting down the many articles from credible sources hat have debunked this whole "controversy" but you're probably not going to listen to them because you've already accepted this narrative that these weird activist propaganda sites you've been reading and aren't going to listen to reason. If you really think that an organization that's under as much scrutiny as Planned Parenthood are going to be engaging in criminal activity over the tiny amounts of money being "quoted" in these videos there's clearly no reasoning with you. There are 9/11 conspiracy theorists who are more open minded, and if you don't think that's what you sound like when talking about this you need to take a step back. You don't think you sound the same defending them? |
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Post by Dracula on Jul 31, 2015 18:30:27 GMT -5
Dude, there's no point arguing with you about this. I could spend an hour hunting down the many articles from credible sources hat have debunked this whole "controversy" but you're probably not going to listen to them because you've already accepted this narrative that these weird activist propaganda sites you've been reading and aren't going to listen to reason. If you really think that an organization that's under as much scrutiny as Planned Parenthood are going to be engaging in criminal activity over the tiny amounts of money being "quoted" in these videos there's clearly no reasoning with you. There are 9/11 conspiracy theorists who are more open minded, and if you don't think that's what you sound like when talking about this you need to take a step back. You don't think you sound the same defending them? I don't |
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You don't think you sound the same defending them? I don't Looks like you need to take a step back then. |
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Post by Seakazoo on Jul 31, 2015 22:44:32 GMT -5
That 3% number you quoted has been found to be way off, the number is more like 40%. You also fail to see that women's health isn't the issue I am complaining about. Out of all the abortion providers available, I have an issue with 1, PP. So stop with the "oh just another man who hates women" BS because never once in this thread or any other have I said anything remotely close to that. PP is an evil enterprise, plain and simple. To clarify once again for you, my beef is with them due to their horrible actions for monetary gains. You actually defend a corporation making money doing illegal D&E abortions to harvest organs for profit. www.100abortionphotos.com/Yea those dont look like real babies at all..... I never once said you hate women. You called money spent on funding planned parenthood a waste and all I did was state that they perform services other than abortions. Regarding transportation costs I can only speak for what I know personally from scheduling freight pickups. A lot of things can change the price of shipping. They're not putting these in $5.00 flat rate boxes and sending them USPS. I imagine that medical bits and pieces have a short shelf life. They have to be transported quickly, and handled with care. You joke that the cost of transport is a ziploc bag when in reality it probably involves jets, vans, dry ice and coolers. Also, if you're going for shock value linking to abortion photos you may want to find a site that doesn't equate having an abortion to being a nazi. I had no idea it was possible to be hilarious while linking to pictures of dead babies. At this point I have to choose not to continue this conversation. We will never change each others minds and I feel like I'm wasting my time trying to discuss this any further with you. Thanks for engaging in debate with me. It's been interesting. |
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Post by RedStorm901 on Aug 1, 2015 0:04:34 GMT -5
The death penalty has never been a deterrence to crime. It also costs much more money to keep a convict on death row than it does to keep them imprisoned for life. If one of those were different I might think differently on the death penalty but unfortunately I don't see any humane reason for it other than 'revenge.' Also, that organization released another Planned Parenthood tape even though it had a restraining order against it. You cant say the death penalty has never stopped one from committing a crime. I'm not saying it's a guaranteed method to stop it but I'm sure there's people out there who didn't commit a crime because they were afraid of death row.
Most of the people who commit a crime that could result in execution are crazy and already have their mind made up to do the crime, but take a crime like rape or child molestation the law don't take it as serious as something as a mass murder.
If someone knows they can rape someone and only have to serve a couple years in prison if caught, more than likely wont take the chance if they know they might lose their life.
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Post by Ramplate on Aug 1, 2015 6:09:16 GMT -5
All you have to do with rapists and especially child molesters is send them into general population prison and tell them what they did - they'll be well taken care of lol  |
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Post by Dracula on Aug 1, 2015 7:12:26 GMT -5
The death penalty has never been a deterrence to crime. It also costs much more money to keep a convict on death row than it does to keep them imprisoned for life. If one of those were different I might think differently on the death penalty but unfortunately I don't see any humane reason for it other than 'revenge.' Also, that organization released another Planned Parenthood tape even though it had a restraining order against it. You cant say the death penalty has never stopped one from committing a crime. I'm not saying it's a guaranteed method to stop it but I'm sure there's people out there who didn't commit a crime because they were afraid of death row.
Most of the people who commit a crime that could result in execution are crazy and already have their mind made up to do the crime, but take a crime like rape or child molestation the law don't take it as serious as something as a mass murder.
If someone knows they can rape someone and only have to serve a couple years in prison if caught, more than likely wont take the chance if they know they might lose their life.
I feel like if someone is rational enough to be thinking about the penalty at all they're probably also rational enough to not be saying "gee, if I get caught I'll just spend the rest of my life rotting away in a cage, I'm gonna go for it!" What's more, I just don't see whatever effect it's supposed to be having. The states that execute the most people (Texas, Florida) don't seem to be more peaceful for their efforts. Take a look at this chart which ranks states by murder rate per capita: www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state#MRordThe states with no death penalty are highlighted in yellow, and you'll notice that most of them are toward the bottom of the list. There are of course other things that could explain that but what really interests me are the states on the chart which have only recently abolished the death penalty like New Mexico, Illinois, New Jersey, and New York. There isn't suddenly some spike in crime now that people know they can murder people without having to worry about facing execution, the rate mostly just seems to stay consistent. |
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Post by frankyt on Aug 1, 2015 9:39:00 GMT -5
If government money wasn't wasted on PP, law agencies could use those funds and have better equipment and facilities, leading to fewer mistakes. lol. You are a broken fucking record. Get over it, you are the only one outraged by a heavily edited video by known scheisters. |
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Post by thebtskink on Aug 1, 2015 9:53:26 GMT -5
Honestly I don't think any prison sentence for any major felony is really a deterrent. I've never bought into that argument. If someone wants to commit a crime, they're gonna do it.
The cost argument is also flawed in that the only reason the dealth penalty costs more is the lengthy appeals process.
I generally am against the death penalty as I view life in prison as a more painful punishment. In cases like Dzokhar Tsarnaev, where he had ample opportunity to marttyr himself and pussed out, he clearly wants to live, so let him fry.
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Post by Ramplate on Aug 1, 2015 11:16:41 GMT -5
Most people who commit those types of crimes either believe they are smarter than the cops and wont get caught, or too easily lose their tempers and don't give a flying fuck.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 11:56:25 GMT -5
If government money wasn't wasted on PP, law agencies could use those funds and have better equipment and facilities, leading to fewer mistakes. lol. You are a broken fucking record. Get over it, you are the only one outraged by a heavily edited video by known scheisters. Yea I'm the only one... All those "edited" videos have also had the full length versions released as well. They all say the same thing in those too. Like I said, no one can argue against those four points I brought up so they sidestep. Not one of you can defend those things and prove that someone would be saying them if this were really nonprofit talk. |
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Post by Dracula on Aug 1, 2015 12:37:39 GMT -5
lol. You are a broken fucking record. Get over it, you are the only one outraged by a heavily edited video by known scheisters. Yea I'm the only one... All those "edited" videos have also had the full length versions released as well. They all say the same thing in those too. Like I said, no one can argue against those four points I brought up so they sidestep. Not one of you can defend those things and prove that someone would be saying them if this were really nonprofit talk. There are plenty of explanations, you're just never going to listen to them so it's a waste of time to bother. No one else around here needs to be convinced that you're wrong. |
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Good avoidance.
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Post by Ramplate on Aug 2, 2015 6:45:40 GMT -5
You know those tapes aren't legal, right?
Those tapes wouldn't stand up in court because they were illegally obtained. All parties would have to be aware that they were being recorded and given their consent.
They probably could be used in court by Planned Parenthood to show libelous intent against the people who made and published them in a public forum in an effort to smear Planned Parenthood
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