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Post by Ramplate on Feb 23, 2018 16:10:08 GMT -5
Oh now we hear they had an armed deputy on campus security.
Unfortunately, they hired "Barney Fife ", because a couple of the kids were asked if they knew him, but they said they only really saw him directing traffic at the school, and only sporadically otherwise.
I think they had a trailer set up on school grounds where he was.
When he saw the gunman he called it in, and gave a description of him. Then he grabbed his gun, and as he put it, "secured the perimeter".
While 17 people were being shot dead, he stood outside the building and never entered!!!
His name is Scott Peterson, a 55 year old who was voted best school cop (I forget what his actual title was) two years. They suspended him pending investigation and he quit and got his pension (which amounts to most of his salary per year)
So much for, "The only thing that'll stop a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun"
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Post by Ramplate on Feb 23, 2018 16:11:55 GMT -5
Oops
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Post by Deexan on Feb 23, 2018 17:02:20 GMT -5
The guy was probably carrying a handgun and found himself faced with a psycopathic 18 year old with an assault rifle. I'm not going to throw him under a bus for not wading in head-on. Neither would a solitary police officer when out-armed in such a situation. It would've simply amounted to another number added to the dead.
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Post by Jibbs on Feb 23, 2018 19:06:28 GMT -5
It's not easy to judge him, but it's still a very important thing to note of this whole debate.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 23, 2018 19:16:40 GMT -5
The guy was probably carrying a handgun and found himself faced with a psycopathic 18 year old with an assault rifle. I'm not going to throw him under a bus for not wading in head-on. Neither would a solitary police officer when out-armed in such a situation. It would've simply amounted to another number added to the dead. He should have still gone inside, gone into the security camera room and directed authorities on the shooters wareabouts. Instead, they let the kid escape and they found him at a nearby Walmart an hour later. Guy did a shitty job. Plain and simple. And I’m not Monday Morning Quarterback either. He’s trained to handle situations like these. The fact they suspended him is evidence he fucked up.
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Post by Doomsday on Feb 23, 2018 19:19:39 GMT -5
I feel sympathy for the guy. There's only a couple things he's expected to do as an on-campus cop, one of which is to confront situations like this and for whatever reason, call it fear or cowardice or maybe even common sense for not going up against an AR-15 with a pistol, he failed. It's something he'll probably dwell on for the rest of his life.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 23, 2018 19:53:05 GMT -5
I feel sympathy for the guy. There's only a couple things he's expected to do as an on-campus cop, one of which is to confront situations like this and for whatever reason, call it fear or cowardice or maybe even common sense for not going up against an AR-15 with a pistol, he failed. It's something he'll probably dwell on for the rest of his life. Technically, he’s supposed to assist people in escaping the building. The shooter is already inside. He’s behind the shooter and covering areas the shooter already walked through. The people inside are hiding and can’t see where the shooter is and what he’s doing. The guys one job is to tell people, “coast is clear” and get them out in case the shooter decides to turn around and return. You work for Warner Bros. I’m sure you’ve watched active shooter videos and done exercises, like any employee of a high-risk location. The first thing they literally tell you is, “hide and then escape if possible.” If that’s what they tell US to do, imagine what they tell a trained police officer. Truth is, this is a 55 year old guy who was planning on coasting till retirement and got caught off-guard because he forgot we live in 2018 America. How many major shootings have we had in the last year or two? Orlando nightclub. Las Vegas. Now this shit? Guy was asleep on the job.
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Post by thebtskink on Feb 23, 2018 20:39:29 GMT -5
I feel sympathy for the guy. There's only a couple things he's expected to do as an on-campus cop, one of which is to confront situations like this and for whatever reason, call it fear or cowardice or maybe even common sense for not going up against an AR-15 with a pistol, he failed. It's something he'll probably dwell on for the rest of his life. Technically, he’s supposed to assist people in escaping the building. The shooter is already inside. He’s behind the shooter and covering areas the shooter already walked through. The people inside are hiding and can’t see where the shooter is and what he’s doing. The guys one job is to tell people, “coast is clear” and get them out in case the shooter decides to turn around and return. You work for Warner Bros. I’m sure you’ve watched active shooter videos and done exercises, like any employee of a high-risk location. The first thing they literally tell you is, “hide and then escape if possible.” If that’s what they tell US to do, imagine what they tell a trained police officer. Truth is, this is a 55 year old guy who was planning on coasting till retirement and got caught off-guard because he forgot we live in 2018 America. How many major shootings have we had in the last year or two? Orlando nightclub. Las Vegas. Now this shit? Guy was asleep on the job. He wouldnt know he was behind the guy. Could've been anywhere. Hes going to live with it the rest of his life. Sucks.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Feb 23, 2018 21:05:42 GMT -5
Well for starters, we need to ask if the officer even knew the kid had an assault rifle. The AR-15 the shooter was reportedly using was a semi-automatic weapon, not the full auto version. Since he stayed outside the school the entire time, I see no reason to believe the officer knew how the shooter was armed.
Second, a police officer with decades of experience and training and a semi-automatic pistol he routinely brings to the firing range should be able to take down a kid with limited experience or training with an AR-15 stalking around a school. A bullet from an officers' sidearm is potentially more deadly than one from an AR-15. The advantage of the 5.56 NATO round is that it's accurate at long distances, which isn't helpful when you're in a close quarters environment like a school. The 5.56 is notorious for being a round that wounds more often than it kills.
On a side note, I think Ramplate is being too hard on Barney Fife. I think Barney would have put his one bullet in his gun and gone in, no matter how terrified he was.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 23, 2018 21:25:55 GMT -5
Technically, he’s supposed to assist people in escaping the building. The shooter is already inside. He’s behind the shooter and covering areas the shooter already walked through. The people inside are hiding and can’t see where the shooter is and what he’s doing. The guys one job is to tell people, “coast is clear” and get them out in case the shooter decides to turn around and return. You work for Warner Bros. I’m sure you’ve watched active shooter videos and done exercises, like any employee of a high-risk location. The first thing they literally tell you is, “hide and then escape if possible.” If that’s what they tell US to do, imagine what they tell a trained police officer. Truth is, this is a 55 year old guy who was planning on coasting till retirement and got caught off-guard because he forgot we live in 2018 America. How many major shootings have we had in the last year or two? Orlando nightclub. Las Vegas. Now this shit? Guy was asleep on the job. He wouldnt know he was behind the guy. Could've been anywhere. Hes going to live with it the rest of his life. Sucks. How do you know a shooter is inside if you're outside? Did someone radio him? Clearly, that person knows where the shots came from or maybe even saw the shooter themselve. This is a school we're talking about. You know how big a school is? There had to be walkee communication between a school official on the inside and the on-campus cop. They even said he normally directed traffic, so the guy is in the middle of the street with the noise of cars and pedestrians. No way he heard shit. Someone radioed him.
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Post by thebtskink on Feb 23, 2018 23:19:42 GMT -5
I'm with Deexan. I'm not going to bag on a cop with a sidearm who isn't able to bring himself to go against that kind of situation.
The last 100 years of warfare is littered with the same story; I'd thought we as society had moved past this kind criticism but apparently not.
The fact is that job in America is usually reserved for the cushy "I'm waiting for retirement" cop. If you want them to actually be useful in this situation, promote policies that change the behavior of the departments.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 23, 2018 23:24:03 GMT -5
that job in America is usually reserved for the cushy "I'm waiting for retirement" cop. With the amount of school shootings we've had since 1999, we can't put those type of people in charge of our children's safety.
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Post by thebtskink on Feb 23, 2018 23:25:05 GMT -5
that job in America is usually reserved for the cushy "I'm waiting for retirement" cop. With the amount of school shootings we've had since 1999, we can't put those type of people in charge of our children's safety. Agreed
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Post by Wyldstaar on Feb 24, 2018 0:30:31 GMT -5
The fact is that job in America is usually reserved for the cushy "I'm waiting for retirement" cop. If you want them to actually be useful in this situation, promote policies that change the behavior of the departments. I don't think whether or not a cop is in a position in which they're just waiting to retire really matters when it comes to how they will react to a situation like this. While a police officer often has to confront situations rife with conflict, they generally have some idea of what they're heading into. They got a call on their radio telling them to go somewhere to deal with a situation that's been reported. They have a chance to mentally prepare themselves. Even if that situation has escalated before they arrive, the officer still knows they're headed into potential trouble. Suddenly finding yourself confronted with a serious conflict without any warning is very different. You have to make a decision about whether to act, or stand by and do nothing. Most people stand by and do nothing in that situation, even though most people believe they would take action if you ask them what they would do in a given scenario. I don't pretend to know what's going through their heads when they freeze. Maybe they're cowards. Maybe they're just locked-up with indecision. Maybe they're just sheep who can't act unless there's a shepherd around to tell them what to do. The only way to know for sure in this particular situation is to ask the officer, and he's not talking.
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Post by thebtskink on Feb 24, 2018 8:06:09 GMT -5
Pre-WWI, shell shock was viewed as cowardice as well. Now almost every military in the world has the basic understanding and tools to deal with it.
Not knowing a thing about Parkland other than its a suburb, I'm going to guess the incidence of gun violence is low, and certainly no one there had been in a mass shooting beforehand.
It's fatalistic to say, but we probably need more specific training to our officers in dealing with the psychological impacts of these types of situations.
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Post by Ramplate on Feb 24, 2018 9:26:58 GMT -5
Deputy Peterson had a 30 year career in law enforcement, and he had been on that school job since 2009.
If an armed officer with a gun isn't enough to go after someone armed with an AR-15,then they had plenty of time to assess that and change the security parameters. AR-15s are a popular weapon in mass shooting sprees. They can't say that surprised them, only that it happened in their town.
Bottom line is, he had a job to do, and he didn't do it. If you cautiously approach the situation you have a better chance to get the shooter. Its not like he should have gone in there and announced I'm here, and stuck a bullseye on his own chest.
If two unarmed, untrained teachers stood in the way and saved kids at the cost of their lives - why did an armed, trained,experienced officer basically hide???
Even a 15 year old held a door for other students and took 5 bullets!
And yes, even Barney Fife would have gone in, he would have shaken his own gun apart because he's a scaredy cat, but he still would have gone in and distracted the shooter at least.
Also, Peterson gave a description of the shooter. The guy shot two people outside, so yes he did see him and knew what he had for a weapon. I think the deputy was in his trailer at the time.
There is enough blame to go around, FBI, local police, courts, gun check thoroughness, school reporting...but this guy was the last defense those kids had.
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Post by Ramplate on Feb 24, 2018 10:33:03 GMT -5
Pre-WWI, shell shock was viewed as cowardice as well. Now almost every military in the world has the basic understanding and tools to deal with it. Not knowing a thing about Parkland other than its a suburb, I'm going to guess the incidence of gun violence is low, and certainly no one there had been in a mass shooting beforehand. It's fatalistic to say, but we probably need more specific training to our officers in dealing with the psychological impacts of these types of situations. It was voted safest city in Florida
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Post by Wyldstaar on Feb 25, 2018 20:43:30 GMT -5
WTF kind of Sheriff's department is being run in Broward County? What a useless bunch of idiots. One deputy who won't go into the school and do his duty has the potential to be an isolated incident. When three more deputies arrive and won't go in either, that's a pattern of incompetence that goes to the top. The Sheriff allowed his department to become complacent.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 26, 2018 20:58:49 GMT -5
The school cop who didn't go inside has the unfortunate name Scot Peterson. Yes, the second 't' is missing. He has released a statement through his attorney saying he didn't go inside because he thought the shooting was taking place outside. Keep in mind the shooting occurred right before the school day ended. Then three other cops arrived at the scene and also remained outside, probably on the assumption that the shooter was outside.
What a shit show.
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Post by Dracula on Feb 27, 2018 1:15:40 GMT -5
WTF kind of Sheriff's department is being run in Broward County? What a useless bunch of idiots. One deputy who won't go into the school and do his duty has the potential to be an isolated incident. When three more deputies arrive and won't go in either, that's a pattern of incompetence that goes to the top. The Sheriff allowed his department to become complacent. Let's pool some money and set up some billboards...
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Post by Wyldstaar on Feb 28, 2018 21:51:45 GMT -5
In a case of excellent timing, a Georgia High School teacher was arrested today for firing a handgun in his classroom. Fortunately, nobody was injured. link
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Post by frankyt on Mar 1, 2018 20:54:45 GMT -5
Has anyone mentioned Trump's an idiot?
Fine I'll do it. This guy's a maroon!
And if you have any cash in the market... Yea just avoid looking at it. It's just paper losses right? Right?
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