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Post by Neverending on Jul 25, 2019 1:35:15 GMT -5
Democrats need to focus more on getting themselves a competent candidate and less on an impeachment that will never, ever happen. It’s beyond that at this point. Unless another Republican President gets elected within the next 8 years, Trump can be indicted once he’s out of office. Nixon didn’t go to jail because Ford pardoned him. Trump, the Republicans and Fox News put a lot of positive spin to the Mueller Report. Mueller just showed up to say, “y’all be trippin”. It’s up to the Democrats and the courts to take the ball now. Impeachment isn’t gonna happen cause, quite frankly, it’s just too late at this point. 2019 is almost over and 2020 is an election year. The best strategy right now is to beat Trump in 2020 and have handcuffs waiting for him in 2021.
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Post by thebtskink on Jul 25, 2019 8:13:17 GMT -5
Jesus, Michael Moore is an asshole.
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Post by frankyt on Jul 25, 2019 8:29:18 GMT -5
He's getting into the buzzword Dems thing. I've noticed it on troll accounts more and more often. Rad libs. Sad libs. Mad libs. Lame Dems.
Only further driving a wedge and not helping anything except the right.
Gonna miss the forest for the trees again next year.
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Post by Ramplate on Jul 25, 2019 8:56:20 GMT -5
Democrats need to focus more on getting themselves a competent candidate and less on an impeachment that will never, ever happen. I second that. There's not a single candidate right now that makes me go "That's my guy (or gal)!". It's still very early - I'm waiting for some to drop out due to lack of interest, And waiting for the second debate to see how well they do against a different lineup. I've been watching Mayor Pete - very smart, but largely untested. Harris - impressive resume, but I need to hear policies. Warren - also very smart and she has worked out plans well in advance of running. Sanders- not as strong this time because several Democrats have shifted to the left. I think Biden is showing to be out of step with the present in many ways, the safe vote for moderates but not as impressive as hoped
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Post by Doomsday on Jul 25, 2019 9:06:15 GMT -5
Democrats need to focus more on getting themselves a competent candidate and less on an impeachment that will never, ever happen. It’s beyond that at this point. Unless another Republican President gets elected within the next 8 years, Trump can be indicted once he’s out of office. Nixon didn’t go to jail because Ford pardoned him. Trump, the Republicans and Fox News put a lot of positive spin to the Mueller Report. Mueller just showed up to say, “y’all be trippin”. It’s up to the Democrats and the courts to take the ball now. Impeachment isn’t gonna happen cause, quite frankly, it’s just too late at this point. 2019 is almost over and 2020 is an election year. The best strategy right now is to beat Trump in 2020 and have handcuffs waiting for him in 2021. Yeah but that won’t happen either. It’s bad politics and all it will do is rile up the Republican base yet again. It’s the same reason Trump has hardly said a word about bringing charges against Hillary Clinton and ‘lock her up’ is no longer a rallying cry for the GOP. It wasn’t about trying to find out what she did or didn’t do, they just wanted her out of the picture while stirring the Republican pot. The only time you hear any of that now is during a Trump rally when he’s looking to score easy points with his voters. At this point the only thing to come out of more Mueller talk is a desperate looking Democratic Party that’s inexplicably doing everything it possibly can to get Trump re-elected. 2020 should be a fucking layup for them and they’re going to blow it again.
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Post by thebtskink on Jul 25, 2019 9:43:17 GMT -5
Few days late, but I chuckled at this:
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Post by Deexan on Jul 25, 2019 11:19:53 GMT -5
If it's weird-looking British politicians you're after, I'm your Huckleberry...
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Post by thebtskink on Jul 25, 2019 11:29:53 GMT -5
Jesus, it's as if Andy Warhol were allowed to live into old age
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Post by Nilade on Jul 25, 2019 12:14:05 GMT -5
I second that. There's not a single candidate right now that makes me go "That's my guy (or gal)!". It's still very early - I'm waiting for some to drop out due to lack of interest, And waiting for the second debate to see how well they do against a different lineup. I've been watching Mayor Pete - very smart, but largely untested. Harris - impressive resume, but I need to hear policies. Warren - also very smart and she has worked out plans well in advance of running. Sanders- not as strong this time because several Democrats have shifted to the left. I think Biden is showing to be out of step with the present in many ways, the safe vote for moderates but not as impressive as hoped I've always been a fan of Warren, and was even hoping she'd run at one point. Unfortunately, I don't think she has a chance against Trump. She has many great ideas and can handle herself in a debate, but Trump would milk the Native American issue which, frankly, I feel has tainted her chances in the past two years. I'm still on the fence about Biden, and if anyone has a chance of defeating Trump, it would be him, although he's not my first pick. Maybe if the ticket is Biden/Warren, that's something I can get behind.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 25, 2019 12:31:54 GMT -5
It's still very early - I'm waiting for some to drop out due to lack of interest, And waiting for the second debate to see how well they do against a different lineup. I've been watching Mayor Pete - very smart, but largely untested. Harris - impressive resume, but I need to hear policies. Warren - also very smart and she has worked out plans well in advance of running. Sanders- not as strong this time because several Democrats have shifted to the left. I think Biden is showing to be out of step with the present in many ways, the safe vote for moderates but not as impressive as hoped I've always been a fan of Warren, and was even hoping she'd run at one point. Unfortunately, I don't think she has a chance against Trump. She has many great ideas and can handle herself in a debate, but Trump would milk the Native American issue which, frankly, I feel has tainted her chances in the past two years. I'm still on the fence about Biden, and if anyone has a chance of defeating Trump, it would be him, although he's not my first pick. Maybe if the ticket is Biden/Warren, that's something I can get behind. You say that as if there's any candidate under the sun which Trump isn't going to find some inane molehill to turn into a mountain and invent a stupid nickname for.
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Post by Nilade on Jul 25, 2019 13:08:06 GMT -5
I've always been a fan of Warren, and was even hoping she'd run at one point. Unfortunately, I don't think she has a chance against Trump. She has many great ideas and can handle herself in a debate, but Trump would milk the Native American issue which, frankly, I feel has tainted her chances in the past two years. I'm still on the fence about Biden, and if anyone has a chance of defeating Trump, it would be him, although he's not my first pick. Maybe if the ticket is Biden/Warren, that's something I can get behind. You say that as if there's any candidate under the sun which Trump isn't going to find some inane molehill to turn into a mountain and invent a stupid nickname for. Well, that's a given, but she created her own situation. She didn't have to take the DNA test, she was goaded by Trump to take it, which makes her look weak to the voters, and the results made her look even weaker. Does that make her any less worthy to hold office? Of course not, but there's a difference when you have Trump calling you out, and when you give him what he wants on a silver platter. By not responding and moving forward would've made her look stronger than actually taking the DNA test. It also would've made Trump look even more silly and desperate with his name calling, to anyone outside his base. Trump knows that. He's constantly called out for his taxes, but as stupid as he is, he's not stupid enough to give them out. Similar scenario with Warren, who should've known better. She didn't owe anyone any proof. That being said, she's still my favorite candidate. I just don't think she will come out ahead in the primaries. Biden will definitely take it, but I pray that he chooses her as his running mate.
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Post by Ramplate on Jul 26, 2019 5:46:56 GMT -5
I think Warren has made it past the Indian issue - I haven't heard about it for months
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Post by Nilade on Jul 26, 2019 17:23:42 GMT -5
I think Warren has made it past the Indian issue - I haven't heard about it for months That's because the biggest threat to Trump right now is Biden. The Indian issue is on hiatus.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 30, 2019 20:29:19 GMT -5
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jul 30, 2019 23:01:38 GMT -5
The debate tonight was so much better than either of the MSNBC ones.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 31, 2019 0:39:22 GMT -5
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Post by Ramplate on Jul 31, 2019 6:42:12 GMT -5
For the most part, I agree with your assessment, thanks for posting all that Drac.
I find myself increasingly impressed with Warren. She's stronger than I thought just seeing her speak before running. She's smart, she has her ideas solidly in place. You can tell that both she and Sanders have thought about this stuff for a long time.
That said, I don't think Medicare for all is gonna fly any better than the ACA did at first. It's going to be hard to implement and there is going to be resistance from people who have their insurance just the way they like it now. I do like Harris' idea about transitional periods before the full plan is implemented.
Too bad that "if you like your insurance you can keep it" has become a scary phrase since Obama said it, and it didn't happen as he said. I think though we have to keep insurance companies a part of the system, perhaps for people who have a nice plan through their workplace, and some others. At the same time make Medicare available for those who can't afford or can't get the coverage they need.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 31, 2019 7:13:21 GMT -5
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Post by Ramplate on Jul 31, 2019 7:29:19 GMT -5
For the most part, I agree with your assessment, thanks for posting all that Drac. I find myself increasingly impressed with Warren. She's stronger than I thought just seeing her speak before running. She's smart, she has her ideas solidly in place. You can tell that both she and Sanders have thought about this stuff for a long time. That said, I don't think Medicare for all is gonna fly any better than the ACA did at first. It's going to be hard to implement and there is going to be resistance from people who have their insurance just the way they like it now. I do like Harris' idea about transitional periods before the full plan is implemented. Too bad that "if you like your insurance you can keep it" has become a scary phrase since Obama said it, and it didn't happen as he said. I think though we have to keep insurance companies a part of the system, perhaps for people who have a nice plan through their workplace, and some others. At the same time make Medicare available for those who can't afford or can't get the coverage they need. It's probably not realistic to go from extreme right one election and swing full force to the extreme left the next. I think most voters would be scared of one experiment after another and might vote moderate just to right the ship and first fix all the damage Trump has done.
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Post by Ramplate on Aug 4, 2019 12:01:04 GMT -5
The NRA was about gun safety when I was a kid - in 1975 some asshole made it about gun rights.
the first legislation was about licensing gun dealers in the '30's and here's what the then president of NRA said:
"I have never believed in the general practice of carrying weapons. I seldom carry one. ... I do not believe in the general promiscuous toting of guns. I think it should be sharply restricted and only under licenses."
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