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Post by frankyt on Apr 22, 2022 8:17:50 GMT -5
Oh man this one's still remembered pretty fondly (which I agree with), I want you to watch 3 and 4 to see what a real low effort cash grab looks like.
I'll still stan for Shrek 2. My nephew's favorite movie (encanto be damned).
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Post by PhantomKnight on Apr 22, 2022 8:26:10 GMT -5
Yeah, Shrek 2 still holds up and is a lot of fun. But man, did the series take a nosedive after it.
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Post by IanTheCool on Apr 22, 2022 8:39:24 GMT -5
I remember when this came out it was being claimed as one of the "great sequels". But you are correct in your assessment of it. It took the more annoying aspects of Shrek and expanded on them.
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Post by PG Cooper on Apr 22, 2022 8:41:18 GMT -5
Good lord do I hate fucking Shrek. It’s a movie that’s dumb on it’s very surface but what’s really galling about it is that it’s a movie that’s kind of like a dumb person’s idea of what satire and parody is supposed to be. This was a fun read. The last of these movies I saw was Shrek the Third, which was abysmal.
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Post by Neverending on Apr 22, 2022 17:59:51 GMT -5
I'll still stan for Shrek 2, Yeah, Shrek 2 still holds up and is a lot of fun. Dracula is objectively wrong about Shrek 2. PG Cooper knows it but he can’t publicly admit to it.
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Post by Dracula on Apr 22, 2022 18:27:22 GMT -5
I'll still stan for Shrek 2, Yeah, Shrek 2 still holds up and is a lot of fun. Dracula is objectively wrong about Shrek 2. And the Catholic Church said Nicolaus Copernicus was "objectively wrong" about the Earth orbiting around the sun... like him I shall be vindicated by history.
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Post by Jibbs on Apr 22, 2022 18:40:54 GMT -5
I hope to one day see "critically tolerated" on a movie poster.
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Post by Dracula on Apr 23, 2022 6:02:59 GMT -5
Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius (2001)
When the Best Animated Feature category was introduced in 2001 pundits thought it’s inaugural lineup would be pretty predictable. Shrek and Monsters Inc were pretty much guaranteed to get in but the third slot was a bit less clear but most critics thought it would be filled by Richard Linklater’s Waking Life, an animated indie for adults that would represent the artier side of the medium. While movies like that would go on to have a better shot in future years, the Academy clearly wasn’t ready to “go there” on year one. Instead they filled that slot with, of all things, a glorified pilot for an upcoming Nickelodeon show called Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius. Some think this snub happened because they didn’t want to muddy the waters with an R-rated movie, others think the animators voting on the nomination did not view the rotoscoping work in Linklater’s film to be “true animation.” But really there’s no excuse because even if they didn’t want to reward Linklaters film they certainly had other options. For one thing, Atlantis: The Lost Empire was right there. Nominating that would have been a nice bone thrown to the modern face of traditional animation and there certainly would have been symbolic value in pitting Dreamworks, Pixar, and Disney against each other in the first of these categories. And if they didn’t want to do that, there were some solid anime choices out there in Katsuhiro Otomo’s Metropolis and Cowboy Bebop: The Movie. Hell, even the misbegotten bomb Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within would have even been a more interesting choice than fucking Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius. So, looking at the film was it actually any good? Of course not, it’s barely watchable. I have no idea what the Academy animation branch was smoking when they nominated it. I’m not going to sit here and recount all of its flaws in detail but to be brief: the animation is wretched both in terms of technology and design, the story is absolutely loopy, there’s this weird streak of casual childhood misogyny in it that’s treated as a running gag, it is ostensibly about scientific genius and yet it casually ignores anything resembling scientific accuracy, and the main character is probably the least sympathetic or interesting person in the whole movie. However, I would really feel silly taking time out of my day to write any kind of review of this thing in earnest because, frankly, this is not a movie that was ever supposed to be watched by a thirty four year old man over twenty years after it was made. This isn’t a family movie; it’s a children’s movie of the kind that exists to get five year olds to shut up for five or so years and give their parents some sanity. It was made for half of Shrek’s budget and a quarter of Monster’s Inc’s budget and it was always kind of supposed to be disposable trash. Railing against it would be like railing against, like, The Paw Patrol Movie or something. I’ll save my anger for the mindless Academy voters who elevated into a position that suggests that it should be judged like a real movie by adult observers, which is a level of scrutiny it never pretended it was going to stand up to. I’m honestly not sure why they even submitted it, it certainly didn’t help the film’s reputation, though I guess it got someone twenty years later to rent it from Netflix so maybe it worked out for them. ½ out of Five
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Post by Dracula on Apr 24, 2022 16:34:32 GMT -5
Puss in Boots (2011)
I didn’t spend a lot of time talking about it when I reviewed Shrek 2 (because I knew this movie was in my future) but watching it I was absolutely baffled that the Puss in Boots character from that movie was considered to be some kind of beloved standout character. Why? There was absolutely nothing to him. The original Puss in Boots fairytale is about a feline who uses his wiles and trickery in order to raise the social standing of his master and thus himself, and the character in that movies doesn’t resemble that even a little. Instead he’s basically Zorro, a decision I guess was made to capitalize on the fact that they got Antonio Banderas to voice the character (even though it had been a good six years since he starred in The Mask of Zorro and that movie’s pop culture footprint does not seem that large). The whole one joke (if that) character seems to be predicated on the incorrect belief that seeing a cat speak in a Spanish accent is somehow inherently funny and after the character is quickly foiled in his inept assassination attempt on Shrek he basically doesn’t do anything besides hang around with the characters as they go on their journey and since Banderas is not a comedian it doesn’t really lead to any additional attempts at comedy. But I guess people ended up liking this character for some reason because he did not go away, in fact they gave him an entire spin-off in the form of the 2011 film Puss in Boots. In a lot of ways this spin-off does feel different from the Shrek movies and mostly for the better. It takes the fairytale world of the Shrek movies a little (and I do mean a little) more seriously than those movies do and it dials down the anachronisms a bit. You would not, for example, see people watching televisions in this one and it’s less interested in being a parade of random fairy tale cameos. It’s also a more modern film and the animation generally holds up a bit better and there’s more of an emphasis on adventure here that occasionally lends itself to some decent set pieces. So on paper all of that is an improvement, and indeed it is, but that doesn’t mean that the movie doesn’t have plenty of problems of its own and the biggest of them is that it still stars this version of Puss in Boots who remains a total snore. In Shrek 2 this character is largely defined by his ineptitude and this movie is never quite able to decide whether they want to retcon him into a slightly more competent adventurer (thus turning a one-joke character into a zero joke character) or kind of keep him bumbling. The film takes forever to get going because it wants to give a whole backstory for this cat which isn’t interesting and which no one asked for, or at least no one should have asked for. When it does get going it mostly just feels like a standard animated movie, but one with a boring protagonist and in a silly and unappealing world. If it’s better than the movies it sprung from its only because the bar is so low and it only deserves so much credit for getting over it. *1/2 out of Five
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Post by IanTheCool on Apr 24, 2022 17:04:10 GMT -5
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Post by Dracula on Apr 25, 2022 7:39:47 GMT -5
The Boss Baby (2017)
On February 3rd 2008 the online brokerage firm E-Trade debuted an advertisement during Super Bowl XLII in which someone dubbed over an infant with a bunch of stock trading jargon in order to convey that their web tools are so easy a child could do it. I always hated those ads, and I would have thought any other rational person would have as well, but life is full of surprises and apparently they worked because the company kept making them. Then for some ungodly reason Dreamworks Animation decided they wanted to rip off this campaign in the form of a 2017 animated movie called The Boss Baby in which Alec Baldwin voiced an infant who wears a suit and promotes synergy and shit. When I first heard about that I said “What the fuck is this this shit?” and once again assumed that was the reaction anyone else in their right minds would have, but once again I was surprised to find that this unholy thing was a blockbuster that earned over half of a billion dollars worldwide. Why? Even for a kid’s movie this thing looks dumb as hell. Why would any parent want to expose themselves to this stupidity while Moana, The Lego Batman Movie, and Hidden Figures were all still in theaters. Hell, even something as distasteful as the Beauty and the Beast remake would at least not be humiliating to have to buy a ticket to in the way that this thing is. But having now reluctantly watched the film I can say: this thing is even weirder than it looks. When I glanced at the movie’s advertising back in 2017 my assumption had been that it was about some adult CEO being turned into a baby for some reason and learning some kind of Freaky Friday-esque lesson from the experience but that’s not it at all. Instead of something simple like that, this posits a fantasy world in which babies are manufactured on a conveyor belt in what is presumed to be but is never labeled heaven and then sent down to earth… presumably to be magically inserted into women’s wombs at full size (still not clear on the logistics of that, what happened to the fetus stage?), except that a small percentage of these conveyor belt babies who aren’t ticklish are set aside to remain in maybe-heaven to be their bureaucratic overseers and in order to do this are fed magical formula that instantly gives them the mentality of an adult CEO while physically remaining babies for some reason. This particular boss baby is then sent down to earth on a mission to discover why people are suddenly loving puppies more than babies and then infiltrates this family while wearing a full suit and carrying a briefcase. It’s is established that the mother was pregnant before his arrival so I’m not clear if he emerged from this woman’s pussy wearing the suit or what. Anyway, having to type out this absolutely insane and overly elaborate concept straight out of Children of the Damned is even weirder than having to watch it, and it only gets stranger from there as it gets into the backstory of the villain, a former boss baby who is trying to use magic from maybe-heaven in order to create an army of permanently young puppies that will end reproduction on earth, or something. So, do I need to explain why all of this is absolutely deranged? I don’t think I do but I must note that when I call this “crazy” I don’t mean it’s crazy in some amusing or entertaining of “so bad it’s good” kind of way. It’s more like writer Michael McCullers and/or source material author Marla Frazee starting with this bad “what if a baby was a boss” joke and finding the stupidest way to reverse engineer their way into bringing it to life. Some cynics would speculate that this was some sort of capitalist propaganda created to make the titans of industry seem cute but… nah, I think this was just a bad joke that got out of hand that they tried to turn into a real movie by turning it into a really inelegant metaphor (is it even a metaphor?) for early sibling rivalry. And the thing is, there was talent involved in the making of the film. They put $125 million dollars into this and made some slick animation choices and there is a degree of energy on the screen, but it’s all in service of this all-time terrible concept and a bunch of weird awful jokes about infant butts. Oh, and don’t get me started on the film’s truly blasphemous use of The Beatles’ “Blackbird,” half a star off just for that. * out of FiveNext Up: Aardman decides the world needs more Shaun the Sheep... this time with aliens, in Shaun the Sheep: Farmageddon
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Post by PhantomKnight on Apr 25, 2022 9:04:01 GMT -5
Reading that plot summary of The Boss Baby...whatever those writers were on when they came up with all that must've been some good shit.
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Post by Jibbs on Apr 26, 2022 17:47:50 GMT -5
*Gets you started on the film’s truly blasphemous use of The Beatles’ “Blackbird"*
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Post by Dracula on Apr 26, 2022 18:13:06 GMT -5
*Gets you started on the film’s truly blasphemous use of The Beatles’ “Blackbird"* ... it's the most horrid shit ever and it's a running motif through the whole fucking movie. First we're introduced to it through the kid's parents (voiced by noted singers Jimmy Kimmel and Lisa Kudrow) sing it to him as a lullabye in this barf inducing scene which makes no sense as this song (which is plainly a metaphor for the hopes of African Americans after the civil rights movement) is decidedly not a lullabye and there are no metaphorical "broken wings" in this extremely white and upper middle class kid's life, quite the contrary the point of the scene is that his life is seemingly perfect before the boss baby shows up. He then sings the song again again while at a low point in an airport, which is a little more thematically apropos but still, not a song that belongs in this damn movie. Finally, and worst of all it comes in the film's REDICULOUS finale where he sings the song to the boss baby after said infant briefly (and plot conveniently) reverts to non-boss infant behavior and the goddamn movie's orchestral score starts replicating it. Again, song about social change reduced to this bullshit. What really pisses me of is now there's going to be a whole generation of young people who are going to forever associate this tender but thoughtful song with this 90 minute poop joke of a movie. If McCartney had anything to do with licensing this he should be ashamed. Fuck this movie.
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Post by PG Cooper on Apr 27, 2022 8:29:42 GMT -5
Dracula in 2011: "Maybe it be worthwhile to watch Pixar's filmography. There's no denying they've become a cinematic institution and I might actually like it." Dracula in 2022:
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Post by Dracula on Apr 27, 2022 8:43:06 GMT -5
Dracula in 2011: "Maybe it be worthwhile to watch Pixar's filmography. There's no denying they've become a cinematic institution and I might actually like it." 2011 Dracula mostly did the Pixar thing because he was still deluded enough to think writing reviews on the internet could maybe result in a big enough following to become a "professional blogger" (lol, remember when those existed) or somehow lead to real film critic work and that this would eventually require the ability to review family movies if he got that assignment. 2022 Dracula (who is referring to himself in the third person for some reason) realizes that this was folly, but he developed this skill and he's going to use it dammit!
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Post by PG Cooper on Apr 27, 2022 9:15:13 GMT -5
Dracula in 2011: "Maybe it be worthwhile to watch Pixar's filmography. There's no denying they've become a cinematic institution and I might actually like it." 2011 Dracula mostly did the Pixar thing because he was still deluded enough to think writing reviews on the internet could maybe result in a big enough following to become a "professional blogger" (lol, remember when those existed) or somehow lead to real film critic work and that this would eventually require the ability to review family movies if he got that assignment. 2022 Dracula (who is referring to himself in the third person for some reason) realizes that this was folly, but he developed this skill and he's going to use it dammit! The work was worth it imo. These dives into family movies have been great reads from the start.
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Post by Dracula on Apr 28, 2022 7:51:22 GMT -5
Shaun the Sheep: Farmageddon (2020)
This is probably going to end up being a pretty short review, not because there’s anything particularly wrong with this second film in the Shaun the Sheep franchise but just because I don’t really have a whole lot to say about it that I didn’t already say about the first film. The film was made by Aardman a good five years after the apparent success of the original film and four years after what was at the time the last TV episode in the franchise, so it was probably made for an audience that probably had a bit more hunger for more of this sheep’s antics than I did having just seen the first movie a couple weeks ago. This one ups the stakes a bit by having aliens land near the film’s central farm and what is essentially an alien sheep pops out of it and starts hanging out with Shaun, it’s basically a child alien sheep though and the government eventually comes looking for it so… the movie is basically E.T.: The Extra Terrestrial but with farm animals and Claymation. It does still have most of the usual charm you’ve come to expect from Aardman and the Claymation is certainly interesting to watch even if this is hardly their most ambitious project in that regard, but I guess I just didn’t feel that pressing need for more Shaun the Sheep. *** out of Five
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Post by Dracula on Apr 30, 2022 14:29:09 GMT -5
Kung Fu Panda 2 (2011)
Kung Fu Panda sure seemed like a big deal in 2008 and today it kind of feels like the animated franchise that time forgot. Had it not been for the universally beloved Wall-E that first movie almost certainly would have won the Best Animated Feature Oscar. In fact it actually did win Best Animated Feature at the Annie awards, the animation specialty awards show that is known to have a bit of a contrarian streak at times. It wasn’t exactly taken super seriously by critics but it was definitely viewed as the best work Dreamworks had done and signaled a bit of a turnaround for that studio. Hell, even I liked it when I caught up with it a handful of years later for one of my various animated movie retrospectives. But by the time the sequel came out three years later it felt like a lot of people had moved on from it, and by the time the third movie came out in 2016 people had really stopped caring… to the point where I wasn’t entirely sure there even was a third film until I looked it up today. And these days people really don’t seem to care about these movies, they seem to have been memory holed like a lot of Dreamworks’ lesser movies and I think that’s because they live in a sort of middle ground where they aren’t really good enough to stand the test of time like some of Pixar’s better movies but also aren’t stupid enough to feel like relics of the past worth laughing at like Bee Movie or something. But watching Kung Fu Panda 2 I think the sequels might have also hurt the legacy because this thing, while hardly embarrassing, is kind of weak and lacking in inspiration. It’s pretty obvious that this is the kind of sequel that’s made less because anyone really had good ideas for where to take the story and more because the last movie made enough money so it would be foolish not to keep the IP going. The titular panda voiced had already pretty much completed his natural character arc in the first movie so this sequel mostly just needs to give him and his friends a new adventure to go on while also seeing if they can have him try to uncover some shit about his past that no one was really asking for. The character’s Jack Blackian antics feel more out of place because the panda is no longer supposed to be an underdog and is instead supposed to be this kung fu fighting chosen one and the movie kind of never really finds the balance between making him an action protagonist and making him a buffoon. That said, a decent amount of what made the first film good is still here. The animation still holds up and they do still have a knack for making martial arts set-pieces using these weird animal characters and the film does give you more weird animal characters if that’s what you’re looking for. I can’t hate on this thing too much, but I also would have been fine to have skipped it and I don’t plan on checking out that third movie. **1/2 out of Five
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Post by Dracula on May 1, 2022 8:34:30 GMT -5
Shark Tale (2004)
Well, I found a Dreamworks movie that’s worse than the Shrek movies. It’s probably not the only one (Bee Movie sure looks bad) and I’m not on the outside looking in on this opinion. I distinctly remember most people calling bullshit on this movie at the time too and it’s nomination was mostly a function of 2004 being an exceptionally weak year for animation. There were only three nominees that year; this, runaway winner The Incredibles, and Shrek 2 and unless they wanted to dip into the anime well their only other obvious possible nominees were other embarrassing failures like Home on the Range and The Polar Express. Maybe I’m overstating how much this was rejected, this was number one at the box office for three weeks after all, but this is kind of where the critics firmly decided they were team Pixar rather than team Dreamworks and however popular it was at the box office the public did not express any popular love or respect for it like they did for the Shrek movies. And the reason this was rejected is very obvious: Finding Nemo did it first and did it better. There’s been a lot of speculation that Dreamworks’ first big release Antz was made because Jeffrey Katzenberg knew Pixar was working on A Bug’s Life through insider information and ripped off the idea of a CGI bug movie. That’s never been adjudicated in court or anything so I’d normally not accept those mere rumors, but this one sort of confirms a pattern, it’s too much of a coincidence to believe they just happened to have two ripoff Pixar movies in this short of a time. But even if this is a coincidence there was a big difference between this and Antz, namely that Pixar beat them to theaters this time by over a year and unlike the Antz/A Bug’s Life duel of 1998 which was seen as something of a toss-up the quality difference this time was readily apparent. Thing is, even if this also beat Pixar to theaters I think its inferiority to Finding Nemo would still be apparent, and I say that as someone who’s not even the world’s biggest Finding Nemo fan. Ignore its questionable content and sense of humor the basic visual design here is plainly inferior. Someone at Dreamworks seems to have gotten it in their heads that when the fish in this aren’t actively swimming forward they should sort of “stand” upright like humans and awkwardly tilt their heads forward. Why? It looks soooooo stupid. The story involves a family of sharks who are made to resemble the Italian mafia having to deal with a sibling of theirs who wants to be a vegetarian rather than an aquatic predator. That’s in and of itself stupid of course, sharks are carnivorous and no amount of willpower would allow them to survive on vegetation but it’s hardly the only cartoon to struggle with this issue, The Lion King just kind of waves off the frightening idea of a aristocratic class that literally eats its subjects and I have no idea what the predatory animals in Zootopia are eating but I digress. This vegetarian shark is tasked with eating a weird looking fish voiced lackadaisically by Will Smith who got in trouble with gambling debts and in the process of this botched hit the vegetarian shark’s brother is killed by a coincidental anchor drop, which the Will Smith fish takes credit for to the acclaim of the public while also making him a marked man by the shark mafia. So, the story kind of resembles The Man Who Shot Liberty Vance, but instead of using that setup to explore legend and mythmaking in the west it uses it to tell a lot of bad parodies of The Godfather that would make no sense to kids. The film actually generated a degree of controversy when it came out with its use of Italian-American accents being viewed as demeaning by such organizations as The Columbus Citizens Foundation, The Order Sons of Italy in America, The Italic Institute of America, The Italian American One Voice Coalition of New Jersey, and probably several other such organizations that apparently exist. I don’t particularly care about that (Italians are plainly just white people now) but these organizations are not wrong that the movie is kind of lazily rooted in shallow stereotypes and is just generally hack work. And man, I’m sad to say that Martin Scorsese is in this thing as the voice of a pufferfish. I was aware he was involved but had assumed it was a momentary cameo, but no, he actually has a decent sized supporting role here and it’s just sad to see this master filmmaker debase himself like that. I can only hope he donated his payment to The Film Foundation or The World Cinema Project or something because while I expect this kind of shit from De Niro, Scorsese should be better than this. Anyway, does this really need more explanation? The movie’s shittiness was obvious from the second the trailer dropped and while I’m glad that good taste kicked in before this could be turned into a franchise but the fact that it got as far as it did is pretty fucking sad. * out of Five
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Post by PG Cooper on May 1, 2022 9:19:16 GMT -5
And man, I’m sad to say that Martin Scorsese is in this thing as the voice of a pufferfish. I was aware he was involved but had assumed it was a momentary cameo, but no, he actually has a decent sized supporting role here and it’s just sad to see this master filmmaker debase himself like that. I can only hope he donated his payment to The Film Foundation or The World Cinema Project or something because while I expect this kind of shit from De Niro, Scorsese should be better than this. They put his name on the poster and everything. It looks like the World Cinema Project was founded in 2007. I'm not sure how long it takes to launch that kind of endeavour but it definitely seems possible his Shark Tale money was used for precisely that.
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Post by PG Cooper on May 1, 2022 10:07:10 GMT -5
This has to be an elaborate bit. No one could sincerely love Shark Tale this much, no less a group of people.
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