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Post by Neverending on Dec 8, 2021 5:23:04 GMT -5
Its been 20 years since I’ve watched the original, in a high school class of all places, so I’m in no position to compare the two. But I can say that Steven Spielberg directed the heck outta this movie. I haven’t seen Spielberg this passionate since maybe Minority Report. I know there’s fans of his more recent work, but let’s be real, Spielberg has been on autopilot for many years and his cinematographer Janusz Kamiński has been a bore. But the two of them put a lot of care into this one. I was largely impressed with the look of the movie — and that includes the set design and costumes. The actors are all pretty good too. That said, I didn’t love the movie. I don’t blame Spielberg. The material is, shall we say, inherently bad. I’m gonna go ahead and assume the original is highly sanitized and gets away with a lot of things due to its heightened reality. Spielberg doesn’t go that route. His version doesn’t shy away from any of its subject matters. It’s very much a PG-13 movie. But that just makes the characters seem really stupid. This is supposed to be Romeo & Juliet but the characters might as well be from MTV’s the Jersey Shore. I have no empathy for anyone in this movie. They’re all idiots. And if PG Cooper makes a video essay stating, “that’s the point”, I will smack him across the face. I’m not gonna sit through 2.5 hours of gangbangers dancing just so the message can be, “hey — isn’t birth control a great invention?”
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Post by Dracula on Dec 12, 2021 10:59:09 GMT -5
West Side Story(12/9/2021)
If ever there’s a filmmaker that deserves some benefit of the doubt it’s probably Steven Spielberg. The guy hasn’t necessarily had the greatest stretch in the last ten years or so but the man made Jaws dammit. Even the movies he makes that aren’t terribly inspiring like The Post or Ready Player One tend to be well made enough to be a good watch and even when he does strike out like with War Horse and The BFG the final movies end up at least being… kind of interesting just because you’re watching one of the most successful filmmakers of all time dedicating himself to a very bad idea. Despite this, I don’t think I’ve ever been more skeptical about the guy than when it was announced he would be making a remake of the 1961 Academy Award winning musical West Side Story. I’m not even the world’s biggest fan of the original West Side Story for a variety but I do recognize its status as a classic and doing a more or less straightforward remake of an acknowledged classic is kind of a losing game. Even if you knock it out of the park you’re probably you’re still kind of just going to be viewed as a usurper to the throne and everyone’s just going to spend all their time comparing whatever you did to the original. I could kind of give it some leeway since the original is itself a stage adaptation but the trailer sure made it look like a pretty direct take on what Robert Wise and Jerome Robbins had already done. What’s more, given that it was set to come out the same year as In the Heights this kind of looked primed to feel like the stodgy old version of western Manhattan next to the fresh new vision, but now that the movie has come out Spielberg seems to be having the last laugh because the film is being very well received.
The film opens with the sight of a wrecking ball tearing down tenements in the rapidly changing Lincoln Square neighborhood (then frequently called San Juan Hill) to make way for the Lincoln Center complex, a project they broke ground on about two years after the musical premiered and two years before the original film came out. This sets up a section of New York that is in flux and we are then introduced to the two gangs set to fight over what remains: the gang of second or third generation white immigrants The Jets, and the gang of newer Puerto Rican arrivals The Sharks. Currently leading The Jets is Riff (Mike Faist), a hot head who is extremely resentful that the neighborhood has been “taken over” by Puerto Ricans and that has led to clashes with Sharks leader Bernardo (David Alvarez). These tensions escalate at a school dance when a former Jet named Tony (Ansel Elgort) spots Bernardo’s younger sister Maria (Rachel Zegler) and is immediately struck by her beauty. It feels like love at first sight on her end as well, but the second Bernardo sees the two of them dancing he splits them up and storms out with Maria. Bernardo’s girlfriend Anita (Ariana DeBose) warns that the two of them could start “World War III” between the two gangs and the gang leaders start plotting to have a “rumble” that could well end in bloodshed.
So I should probably lay my cards on the table about the original West Side Story, which is a movie I have my problems with. My first exposure to it was in middle school when my Spanish teacher decided to take it easy for a few days and felt the musical was sufficiently close to the subject matter to work. At the time I thought it was “totally lame” because gang members singing and dancing in the street was a ridiculous concept to me at the time. Revisiting it as an adult with a more mature sense of musical conventions I was able to get over that but I still think there are legitimate problems with the movie. There’s the brownface aspect of course, that’s been an acknowledged blemish for a while, but beyond that I’ve never been the biggest fan of stars Richard Beymer or Natalie Wood as Tony and Maria and the slower ballad type songs between them never did much for me. Beyond that, while I can be more of an adult about the musical numbers some of the dance scenes in that first movie seem to go on endlessly and do tax my patience a little. Ultimately though personal preference only goes so far with something that’s this iconic, the film has certainly earned its place in pop culture regardless of my quibbles with it.
This remake follows the same basic story of the original film and includes most if not all of the same songs but the screenplay has been re-written by Tony Kushner in a number of ways. The dialogue has been re-worked, mostly for the better, and there a more knowing and 21st Century perspective on some of the underlying socio-political context of all this. It is not a coincidence that Spielberg and Kushner decided to start making this film about conflict between working class whites and Latino immigrants right in the middle of the Trump years and that particular dynamic definitely informs much of how this remake is written. Early in the film the Jets are established as a rather humiliated community of poor whites who still live in a ghetto that’s been increasingly populated by new arrivals and lash out at said new arrivals instead of their own conditions, while the Sharks are depicted as people defending themselves from this while also personalizing this conflict in ways that aren’t terribly productive either. I would also say that the movie fleshes out the romance between Tony and Maria in some useful ways; it makes Tony’s differences from his Jet comrades a bit more palpable and Maria’s own differences with her family a bit clearer and I would also generally say that Ansel Elgort and Rachel Zegler are both generally more charismatic and authentic than their 1961 counterparts and have more chemistry generally. In the old movie I never cared for the slow songs between them, but I liked them a lot more here in large part because I was just more sold on the genuine infatuation between the two.
Where the film is less successful is in it rendition of some of the more iconic musical numbers from the first movie. The staging of “America,” probably the most widely remembered song from the first movie, seems to have the hardest time living up to its predecessor. Where the scene was a pretty straightforward Broadway style number in the first movie with two sets of Purto Ricans debating each other on a roof at night, this time it’s staged in broad daylight in the style of a golden age film musical as extras join in while people dance on the street. This is the one part of the movie that kind of does draw some unflattering comparisons to In the Heights which pulled this kind of thing off better and in general it feels a bit overblown and out of keeping with the style of the rest of the film. The film also kind of botches its handling of the song “cool,” which is moved to an earlier moment before the rumble and lacks a lot of the jazzy aura that the first movie was able to achieve with the number. Other songs are shuffled around and re-imagined a bit more successfully. Setting "Gee, Officer Krupke" in a police station instead of the city streets is a nice switch up (kind of ridiculous that they still end with “Krup you!” at the end) and putting “I Feel Pretty” in a department store also makes sense.
This new adaptation does not entirely leave behind the theatricality inherent to this property; the film’s sets remain somewhat heightened, more like exceptionally large stages than truly naturalistic environments and I do think that’s at least partly by design. Across the board I’d say that the cast here works quite well, though some are a forced to live more in the shadow of their predecessors. In the case of Rachel Zegler this is beneficial as it’s not that hard to rise above Natalie Wood in brownface (though I will say Wood probably handles the film’s climactic scene a little better), though this works less well for Ariana DeBose, who needs to live up to Rita Moreno’s Academy Award winning turn as Anita and all involved might have been better served by departing a bit more from that version of the character. Mike Faist stands out quite a bit for his take on the character of Rif and I quite liked Josh Andrés Rivera’s new take on Chino. Ultimately though, no matter how much the film succeeds in so many ways, at the end of the day it still needs to overcome the “why did we need this” question, and while it does make a much more convincing case for itself than I expected I’m not sure it ever quite got entirely over that hill and to some extent I’m not sure who this is for. The people Spielberg’s age are never going to abandon that original film and I don’t necessarily see this thing being hip with “the kids” either. Personally I was interested to see Spielberg work at such a high level and was fascinated seeing how they handled the material but can’t help but think that they’ve put all this effort into something that will inevitably still feel like it lives in the shadow of that first movie. This is definitely worth seeing if you’re even a little bit interested but I don’t know what kind of legacy this will leave behind ultimately.
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Post by Jibbs on Dec 12, 2021 16:54:30 GMT -5
Saw this last night. Enjoyed it very much.
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Post by Doomsday on Dec 13, 2021 12:37:35 GMT -5
Just over 10 mil at the box office. That's less than In The Heights, yeesh.
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Post by Dracula on Dec 13, 2021 12:48:12 GMT -5
Old people need to get out more.
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Post by frankyt on Dec 13, 2021 13:03:15 GMT -5
1 in 100 of Americans over age 65 have died from the pandemic. More than one per theater at a fully sold out show.
I get why they ain't going to the movies.
I also think musical fans go a bit left leaning and will prob be quite cautious about covid.
Checking this out tonight
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Post by Neverending on Dec 13, 2021 13:57:10 GMT -5
Just over 10 mil at the box office. That's less than In The Heights, yeesh. In the Heights had HBO Max. West Side Story is exclusive to cinema. That makes West Side Story an even bigger flop. In the Heights coulda made $15-20 million without HBO Max.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 13, 2021 13:58:32 GMT -5
Old people need to get out more. They are. They’re watching House of Gucci.
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Post by Doomsday on Dec 13, 2021 14:07:27 GMT -5
Just over 10 mil at the box office. That's less than In The Heights, yeesh. In the Heights had HBO Max. West Side Story is exclusive to cinema. That makes West Side Story an even bigger flop. In the Heights coulda made $15-20 million without HBO Max. Exactly, In The Heights was competing with itself and it still made more money than West Side Story.
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Post by frankyt on Dec 14, 2021 9:58:19 GMT -5
Weird where they placed I feel pretty.
And the lack of subtitles for some weird woke reasoning was garbage, thankfully I went with a friend fluent in Spanish and the funniest jokes were in Spanish.
Worse riff, better Bernardo, elgort actually surprised me being a better actor and singer than I had anticipated, but he couldn't hit the high notes. Maria was fine, great voice.
Much like the original, bit over long. But one of the better movies I've seen this year.
7.5/10 - not sure what was different though. I get why people are staying away, you've seen this before.
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Post by Doomsday on Dec 14, 2021 10:29:12 GMT -5
And the lack of subtitles for some weird woke reasoning was garbage, thankfully I went with a friend fluent in Spanish and the funniest jokes were in Spanish. That's what I don't understand. Spielberg said he didn't want to 'elevate English' or something. It's not about elevating anything, it's because a lot of people don't speak Spanish. I think some people were way, way overthinking this.
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Post by Dracula on Dec 14, 2021 11:02:54 GMT -5
And the lack of subtitles for some weird woke reasoning was garbage, thankfully I went with a friend fluent in Spanish and the funniest jokes were in Spanish. That's what I don't understand. Spielberg said he didn't want to 'elevate English' or something. It's not about elevating anything, it's because a lot of people don't speak Spanish. I think some people were way, way overthinking this. I didn't have a problem with it. There wasn't nearly as much Spanish as I was led to believe, most of it can better be described as Spanglish, and the vast majority was completely understandable through context.
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Post by frankyt on Dec 14, 2021 13:29:55 GMT -5
Sure for the emotions and the meaning of the scenes it's not exactly required but for the actual jokes?
Woulda been nice to have the translations. The movies rather stuffy without em. Very little levity.
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Post by Dracula on Dec 14, 2021 14:09:53 GMT -5
Sure for the emotions and the meaning of the scenes it's not exactly required but for the actual jokes? Woulda been nice to have the translations. The movies rather stuffy without em. Very little levity. Well, I guess I don't know what I'm missing.
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Post by Doomsday on Dec 14, 2021 14:31:18 GMT -5
That's what I don't understand. Spielberg said he didn't want to 'elevate English' or something. It's not about elevating anything, it's because a lot of people don't speak Spanish. I think some people were way, way overthinking this. I didn't have a problem with it. There wasn't nearly as much Spanish as I was led to believe, most of it can better be described as Spanglish, and the vast majority was completely understandable through context. I wasn't sure it was that big of a deal considering how I've only really read about it in a few borderline cilck-baitey articles rather than some big writeup in the trades but I still don't think I quite grasp the purpose of the objective. I think people will be more annoyed than anything.
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Post by Dracula on Dec 14, 2021 14:56:30 GMT -5
I didn't have a problem with it. There wasn't nearly as much Spanish as I was led to believe, most of it can better be described as Spanglish, and the vast majority was completely understandable through context. I wasn't sure it was that big of a deal considering how I've only really read about it in a few borderline cilck-baitey articles rather than some big writeup in the trades but I still don't think I quite grasp the purpose of the objective. I think people will be more annoyed than anything. Well, at the center of the whole conflict is a sort of failure to communicate, not just in terms of language but general understanding, but the language is a larger symbol of this. The Puerto Ricans, particularly Anita, are making an effort to understand English whereas the Jets are openly contemptuous of Spanish, with one of the first lines spoken by one of them being a racial slur about the language. Tony is the one white character who makes an effort to try to learn some phrases in Spanish as a means of reaching out a little. Removing the subtitles kind of brings the audience into this.
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Post by PG Cooper on Dec 16, 2021 7:16:48 GMT -5
Loved it.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Dec 16, 2021 13:52:47 GMT -5
Really, really liked it. Can't say I loved it, though.
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Post by PG Cooper on Dec 16, 2021 23:42:34 GMT -5
Really, really liked it. Can't say I loved it, though. Lol, I thought for sure we'd agree on this one.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Dec 17, 2021 0:30:44 GMT -5
Really, really liked it. Can't say I loved it, though. Lol, I thought for sure we'd agree on this one. *shrugs*
I think my thoughts are pretty in-line with Drac's and Neverending's. It's an impressively-directed movie and a lot of the musical numbers and acting performances land...but there were times where I felt the runtime, I thought Ansel Elgort was a pretty stiff lead on his own (though he curiously works better when alongside Rachel Zegler) and I also don't think the movie truly justified its existence. I still liked it a lot...but I might actually give the edge to In The Heights, in terms of this year's live action musicals featuring Latin communities in urban settings.
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Post by thebtskink on Dec 19, 2021 18:08:56 GMT -5
This was excellent. The camera is another character. The emotional beats mostly all hit, and the Maria/Rif/Anita actors are tremendous.
That puddle shot is glorious, and there's a few others that I'm stunned Spielberg could pull off.
Can't speak more highly of it. My new favorite for the year. 9/10.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Dec 29, 2021 12:05:43 GMT -5
Some fuller thoughts of mine:
I've gotta say that part of me is honestly kind of shocked at seeing so many people calling Steven Spielberg's West Side Story remake one of the best, if not THE best movie of 2021. Not so much because I dislike the movie or anything -- far from it -- but because of the simple fact that while I really liked the movie...I'm not sure I can go so far as to say I loved it. Now, I haven't seen the original since high school, so I'm in no position to compare/contrast the two, but I still feel confident in saying Spielberg's version is the superior one for me. First of all, the legendary auteur once again proves his versatility: in his decades-long career, this is the first musical he's ever done, yet it has all the polish and confidence of a seasoned professional within the genre. The musical numbers are all expertly staged and contain high amounts of energy that really pull you into them in a way that I feel the classical Hollywood style really couldn't. On top of that, Spielberg offers an effective contrast to all that high energy by injecting the gang storyline with a more visceral grit than the original probably had; no finger-snap-dance-fighting here. Throughout the film, you can clearly feel Spielberg's passion for the material on full display, which in turn helps keep it as engaging as it ultimately is. Another aspect there is how Spielberg and cinematographer Janusz Kaminski really use the camera as a character itself within the film, pulling off impressive shots and visceral cinematography in the process.
So what keeps me from more fully embracing this film? Well, as of now, part of it is that for as strong as the movie is -- and it's really strong, don't get me wrong -- I don't quite feel like it or Spielberg really justified its existence. Sure, this one most likely tells the story better, but I don't really think it enlightened me as why this needed to be made beyond that. That said, I actually do hope Spielberg can do another musical again. Also -- the more I think about it, the more I feel that the film's central couple, Tony and Maria, are routinely upstaged by the film's other big one, Bernardo and Anita. Those two constantly proved very entertaining and electric, with the decision to not use Spanish subtitles for their one-on-one dialogue proving to pay off in how it enlightens their characters and relationship from our perspective. Tony and Maria, meanwhile...they have good chemistry and I still bought into the major beats between them, but there's also a rather noticeable difference between Ansel Elgort's and Rachel Zegler's performances for me. Whereas Zegler is a revelation here and the film's true heart, Elgort in comparison feels just a bit flat and boring. I can't tell if it's the writing or Egort's acting, but he's constantly outshone here by nearly everybody else. And while I'm at it...Mike Faist as Riff came off as a bit more caricature-ish rather than a real character a lot of the time for me.
But even then, it's still hard to deny that Steven Spielberg's West Side Story is one of the stronger movies of the year, if for nothing else than it feels nice to have a Spielberg film again where his passion for the material is evident. This is the most invested in a movie of his I've felt him be in a long time, and the ways in which he hits all the positives here are more than enough to overcome the shortcomings I may personally see and qualify this as an undeniable success. And who knows -- maybe repeat viewings will make those shortcomings seem insignificant in the grand scheme.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jan 4, 2022 20:08:13 GMT -5
At 75-years-old and widely regarded as the most commercially successful and famous filmmaker of all time, there's not a whole lot for Steven Spielberg to prove to anyone. No matter what a person's tastes in movies are, or even if a person hardly watches movies at all, it's extremely likely that they've seen at least one Spielberg movie. That certainly has to do with the master of the blockbuster consistently putting out films that appeal to a wide swath of people, but also that Spielberg has seemed to dabble in just about everything in his fifty plus years of filmmaking. Action films, sweeping historical epics, comedies, romances, science-fiction, family movies, horror, there's been little yet to be explored by the director that has nearly done it all. But if there was one glaring genre omission, it would be that he'd never directed a musical. When it was announced that Spielberg would be tackling a reimagining of West Side Story, the reception was lukewarm at best - the Best Picture-winning original is certainly one of the most iconic musicals in cinema albeit one with a number of eyebrow-raising issues - and many including myself wondered aloud if this was the best project for the world's most famous director to make. But Spielberg has had complete creative control over his career since before he turned thirty, and honestly at this point if he wanted to direct a Resident Evil movie who can really tell him he can't? But lo and behold, unsurprisingly Spielberg has proven all of us wrong and upstaged Robert Wise's original in nearly every facet while bringing an energy and style to the work that we haven't seen from him in nearly a decade. I don't know if Spielberg succeeded in justifying this film's existence or created a new version for younger generations to call their own for decades to come, but in regards to achieving the rarified feat of crafting a remake that surpasses the original, he's certainly accomplished that.
Spielberg's infatuation with the bygone classic musical era of Hollywood shouldn't come as a surprise. Directors of his generation have not only spoken fondly about the warm nostalgic feelings they harbor seeing these lavish productions in large formats on the big screen with their parents, but his contemporaries have dipped their toes in their own tributary works. Martin Scorsese depicted his affection for the Big Band era with New York, New York (never mind that it's the worst film of his own storied career), Francis Ford Coppola did Finian's Rainbow (also an ill-advised move), and...okay so maybe that's not a great example, but the point is made that while most of contemporary audiences don't miss the steady stream of overly done musicals that largely stopped after the 1960s, Spielberg and his generation will always have a soft spot for them. And unlike the misfires from his peers, Spielberg has the help of arguably the most famous lyrics from the late Stephen Sondheim, a more aware and contemporary screenplay from Tony Kushner, and some of the best work in a long time from his longtime cinematographer Janus Kaminski to help pull this remake off.
The story remains largely unchanged, taking place in New York and in the same 1950s epoch that the original did. It's still about the downtrodden, lower-class white Jets and the Puerto Rican Sharks battling it out for turf and respect, this time with some beneficial context about the displacement of both groups due to the neighborhood rezoning happening in the wake of the Lincoln Center going in. It's still about the forbidden love between Maria (Rachel Zegler) and Tony (Ansel Elgort) and their Shakespearean tragedy that they inhabit. While many filmmakers would've chosen to place this film in the 2020s and shake things up a lot more drastically, Spielberg elects to stay true to the stage version roots and instead vastly improves on many of the original's faults.
First off, there's a lot more scope and visual acuity to Spielberg's movie over Wise's, and while that does have to do with the advancement in cameras and technology it's also because Spielberg is a superior director. He takes full advantage of the fantastic production design from Adam Stockhausen, setting the action away from the overly colorful streets of the 1961 version and putting us in decrepit shells of buildings, mounds of debris, and dark alleyways that give his movie an actual sense of danger and destitute that the Robert Wise version laughably lacked. Kaminski deploys some wonderfully Expressionistic lighting here as well, namely some beautiful bird's eye shots of the two encroaching gangs' shadows spilling out onto the battleground. There's also some legitimate violence in the picture, with hard blows exchanged and weapons fired that delighted me in a macabre manner thinking back to my eye-rolling of watching the gangs dance and frolic-fight in the '61 film that felt stagey and feeble. Even if Spielberg hasn't moved the movie into a contemporary setting, he's absolutely brought it into contemporary stylings. A lot of people have commented that this is the most energetic work Spielberg has done in awhile, and I certainly agree.
So in the end if he brings all this to table with his talented team, did Spielberg justify a retelling of West Side Story? The cast is largely pretty good but not incredible, the musical numbers are fun and inventive, and while the film doesn't really shake things up it's still able to land its big moments and bring an air of suspense and danger to the proceedings that Wise's movie just didn't have. At the same time I don't necessarily seeing Spielberg's version replacing Wise's, nor will it have an ounce of the impact that the original film did on our society. When we look back on this version of West Side Story, it presents an interesting case of a remake that surpasses the original, but is also unable to harness the cultural and artistic influence of the original all the same. Did Spielberg make the wrong decision to remain so true to the musical's roots? Was West Side Story simply a product of its time that should've remained there altogether? It's impossible to truly answer those questions right now, but in the end I'll fall back on the notion that if a movie is good, it's good and it was worth being created. If anything, it's just another round in Spielberg's prolific chamber of filmmaking accomplishments that solidifies the incredible range that his career has consistently achieved.
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Post by Neverending on Jan 4, 2022 23:40:04 GMT -5
there's a lot more scope and visual acuity to Spielberg's movie over Wise's, and while that does have to do with the advancement in cameras and technology it's also because Spielberg is a superior director. Is he?
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jan 5, 2022 19:22:27 GMT -5
there's a lot more scope and visual acuity to Spielberg's movie over Wise's, and while that does have to do with the advancement in cameras and technology it's also because Spielberg is a superior director. Is he? Robert Wise made some good movies in his time, no doubt. But of course Spielberg is the superior director. It's not even close.
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