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Post by Dracula on Aug 30, 2019 19:21:17 GMT -5
Call me crazy, but I wouldn't even put Prisoner of Azkaban in the top three or four movies in that series.
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Post by Doomsday on Aug 30, 2019 19:31:31 GMT -5
I feel the same way about Wild Hogs.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Aug 30, 2019 19:38:09 GMT -5
Okay, so I don't imagine this will sound crazy to any of you who know me after all these years. Maybe more of a "This wasn't already true?" kind of thing.
But...
After 15 years, now-ten (count 'em TEN) theater viewings, countless other times on DVD/Blu Ray/TV, and the fact that I still get the same level of pure joy out of that I did way back with my first viewing on June 4th, 2004...I can't deny or ignore it anymore.
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban has gotta be -- got to be -- one of my All-Time Favorite Movies. I won't go so far as to say Top 10-worthy, but Top 20 or Top 30? There's a slot in there somewhere for it.
It just speaks to me in a certain way. And I'm not saying this lightly.
Well, that's perfectly fine for you. I think I've seen that movie once. It was an entertaining film. I've not felt any great need to revisit any of the Harry Potter films. I think I've seen the first one at least twice due to family obligations.
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Post by PG Cooper on Aug 30, 2019 19:59:32 GMT -5
Okay, so I don't imagine this will sound crazy to any of you who know me after all these years. Maybe more of a "This wasn't already true?" kind of thing. But... After 15 years, now-ten (count 'em TEN) theater viewings, countless other times on DVD/Blu Ray/TV, and the fact that I still get the same level of pure joy out of that I did way back with my first viewing on June 4th, 2004...I can't deny or ignore it anymore. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban has gotta be -- got to be -- one of my All-Time Favorite Movies. I won't go so far as to say Top 10-worthy, but Top 20 or Top 30? There's a slot in there somewhere for it. It just speaks to me in a certain way. And I'm not saying this lightly.
Put it in your top ten. Quit lying to yourself.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Aug 30, 2019 20:27:44 GMT -5
It speaks to me too. It tells me to do unholy things in the dark.
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Okay, so I don't imagine this will sound crazy to any of you who know me after all these years. Maybe more of a "This wasn't already true?" kind of thing.
But...
After 15 years, now-ten (count 'em TEN) theater viewings, countless other times on DVD/Blu Ray/TV, and the fact that I still get the same level of pure joy out of that I did way back with my first viewing on June 4th, 2004...I can't deny or ignore it anymore.
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban has gotta be -- got to be -- one of my All-Time Favorite Movies. I won't go so far as to say Top 10-worthy, but Top 20 or Top 30? There's a slot in there somewhere for it.
It just speaks to me in a certain way. And I'm not saying this lightly.
You’ll always remember your first erection for Emma Watson.
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This must be your first movie. Bless.
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Post by Fanible on Aug 30, 2019 23:10:38 GMT -5
I don't like it quite that much, but I will say it has one of the best uses of time travel in a story. It's plotted out almost perfectly.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Aug 31, 2019 19:49:59 GMT -5
Call me crazy, but I wouldn't even put Prisoner of Azkaban in the top three or four movies in that series. Are you feeling okay? Okay, so I don't imagine this will sound crazy to any of you who know me after all these years. Maybe more of a "This wasn't already true?" kind of thing. But... After 15 years, now-ten (count 'em TEN) theater viewings, countless other times on DVD/Blu Ray/TV, and the fact that I still get the same level of pure joy out of that I did way back with my first viewing on June 4th, 2004...I can't deny or ignore it anymore. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban has gotta be -- got to be -- one of my All-Time Favorite Movies. I won't go so far as to say Top 10-worthy, but Top 20 or Top 30? There's a slot in there somewhere for it. It just speaks to me in a certain way. And I'm not saying this lightly.
Put it in your top ten. Quit lying to yourself. Let's see in another five or ten years. Okay, so I don't imagine this will sound crazy to any of you who know me after all these years. Maybe more of a "This wasn't already true?" kind of thing.
But...
After 15 years, now-ten (count 'em TEN) theater viewings, countless other times on DVD/Blu Ray/TV, and the fact that I still get the same level of pure joy out of that I did way back with my first viewing on June 4th, 2004...I can't deny or ignore it anymore.
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban has gotta be -- got to be -- one of my All-Time Favorite Movies. I won't go so far as to say Top 10-worthy, but Top 20 or Top 30? There's a slot in there somewhere for it.
It just speaks to me in a certain way. And I'm not saying this lightly.
You’ll always remember your first erection for Emma Watson. That would be Goblet of Fire.
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Post by Dracula on Aug 31, 2019 21:30:13 GMT -5
Call me crazy, but I wouldn't even put Prisoner of Azkaban in the top three or four movies in that series. Are you feeling okay? Azkaban is a transitional film, it points to the richer materiel to come but it still has one foot in the dumb Chris Columbus movies. Goblet of Fire is where things really start getting good. I'd rank that, Order of Phoenix, and Deathly Hollows 1 above it pretty easily. Half-Blood Prince and Deathly Hollows 2 have their own flaws and would probably rank below it but not by much.
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Post by Nilade on Sept 1, 2019 0:31:22 GMT -5
Okay, so I don't imagine this will sound crazy to any of you who know me after all these years. Maybe more of a "This wasn't already true?" kind of thing.
But...
After 15 years, now-ten (count 'em TEN) theater viewings, countless other times on DVD/Blu Ray/TV, and the fact that I still get the same level of pure joy out of that I did way back with my first viewing on June 4th, 2004...I can't deny or ignore it anymore.
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban has gotta be -- got to be -- one of my All-Time Favorite Movies. I won't go so far as to say Top 10-worthy, but Top 20 or Top 30? There's a slot in there somewhere for it.
It just speaks to me in a certain way. And I'm not saying this lightly.
Ah! So YOU'RE the one on my Facebook feed that keeps ranting about it. I sometimes forget who's who from the boards on social media.
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Post by IanTheCool on Sept 1, 2019 10:08:53 GMT -5
Azkaban is a transitional film, it points to the richer materiel to come but it still has one foot in the dumb Chris Columbus movies. Goblet of Fire is where things really start getting good. I'd rank that, Order of Phoenix, and Deathly Hollows 1 above it pretty easily. Half-Blood Prince and Deathly Hollows 2 have their own flaws and would probably rank below it but not by much. Goblet of Fire? Really? I watched it not too long ago and it really isn't so good. It just felt... awkward all the way through, like nothing really meshed.
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Post by Dracula on Sept 1, 2019 10:49:16 GMT -5
Azkaban is a transitional film, it points to the richer materiel to come but it still has one foot in the dumb Chris Columbus movies. Goblet of Fire is where things really start getting good. I'd rank that, Order of Phoenix, and Deathly Hollows 1 above it pretty easily. Half-Blood Prince and Deathly Hollows 2 have their own flaws and would probably rank below it but not by much. Goblet of Fire? Really? I watched it not too long ago and it really isn't so good. It just felt... awkward all the way through, like nothing really meshed. It ditches most of the bad slapstick comedy from the previous movies, it doesn't waste twenty minutes at the beginning dealing with Harry's stupid family or magical transportation forms, the tournament provides it with a strong structure, and the stakes generally feel a lot higher and there's genuine danger involved in the proceedings.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Sept 1, 2019 13:05:17 GMT -5
For me, Prisoner of Azkaban strikes the perfect balance between playful/mischievous and dark/foreboding. Whereas the Chris Columbus were so beholden to the books - sometimes to their detriment - Prisoner is the first one to realize that there's value in branching off a little and making room for more character fueled moments and inspired moments that just highlight the Hogwarts lifestyle. All while keeping the plot moving at a great clip. Plus, it's got Alfonso Cuaron behind the camera, who gives the world a very lived-in feel and is responsible for those inspired touches, some stellar cinematography from Michael Seresin, and an aces score by John Williams. Not to mention a coming of age quality that outdoes every other coming of age movie since. There's lots of personality in it.
Sure, Goblet of Fire is a thrilling action/adventure and I love it too (would probably place it third overall), but Azkaban just hits that sweet spot.
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Post by Fanible on Sept 1, 2019 13:22:51 GMT -5
Oh man... Goblet of Fire. Probably my least favorite of the series if you don't count the first two. Where to begin?
- Dumb hair. - Silly romance subplots. Plenty of silly comedy continued here involving Ron. - A possible kick-ass quidditch match that is completely skipped - People being dumb throughout. Tournament is brought back after ages, weird shit happening with deatheaters at the beginning of the movie, odd happenings throughout, yet everyone is cool with everything. Far be it from us to question the GOBLET! If his name came out, he must play! He's not of age and it gives Hogwarts an unfair advantage, but the GOBLET HAS SPOKEN! Dumb wizards are dumb. Let's just continue walking right into people's fiendish plots without a second thought. - The challenges were at least fun to watch, up until the maze, which was supposed to be the final challenge (yawn). What was the challenge here exactly? How can you navigate a maze that is constantly shifting? What parts of the maze were what was supposed to be happening, and it being rigged? Was just the goblet rigged and something that was taking over people? Nothing at all is explained before or after this event. It should have been one of the most interesting and/or exciting parts of the tournament, being the last challenge, but instead the movie relies simply on Voldemort's return to be the only thing engaging about it. - Despite being fun to watch, the tournament in general was almost completely nonsensical:
Danger? With the possibility of death even? Well, maybe/maybe not. Apparently the tournament was ceased at one point because participants kept dying, but they eventually brought it back with rules that were supposed to help prevent such deaths. I'm not even sure the movie goes into these details, and I'm not sure what "rules" were supposed to help. It definitely seemed death was a very real possibilty multiple times without anyone watching: Eaten by a dragon, drowning, and of course, killed by some random person because no one is able to see what's going on. Speaking of no one watching, how exciting is the fact that no one can actually see the participants doing the challenges? They all just sit around and wait. Dragon arena? Well, that was the closest one to a spectator sport, but they ended up doing most of the fight outside of the arena. So do they just sit there and cross their fingers that the wizard eventually returns? How long do they wait before they send out a search party to recover the dragon and/or body? If only they had wizard powers that could contain it within an area.
Nevermind the possible deaths, what if participants don't pass the challenges? Not only do you not get to watch, but there's a possibility it doesn't even continue past certain rounds. Fortunately for us they all seemed to pass every single time. But what if no one figured out the riddle? Would the tournament just be over at that point with no winner? If only one person did, would it just end right then and there, or would the single participant keep going by themselves? Not that people get to watch them do anything anyways, but still.
One of the only things I enjoyed coming out of GOF was Mad Eye Moody, but it turned out it wasn't even him, so it's just weird.
*I was going to say I at least liked the scene where Ron wakes up from a nightmare and Harry tells him to show em whose boss... but it turns out that was from Prisoner of Azkaban:
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Post by PG Cooper on Sept 1, 2019 14:07:11 GMT -5
For me, Prisoner of Azkaban strikes the perfect balance between playful/mischievous and dark/foreboding. Not to mention a coming of age quality that outdoes every other coming of age movie since.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Sept 1, 2019 14:09:34 GMT -5
I think we should all be agreement that the greatest coming of age tale of all time is Diary of a Wimpy Kid.
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Post by IanTheCool on Sept 1, 2019 16:08:08 GMT -5
Oh man... Goblet of Fire. Probably my least favorite of the series if you don't count the first two. Where to begin? - Dumb hair. - Silly romance subplots. Plenty of silly comedy continued here involving Ron. - A possible kick-ass quidditch match that is completely skipped - People being dumb throughout. Tournament is brought back after ages, weird shit happening with deatheaters at the beginning of the movie, odd happenings throughout, yet everyone is cool with everything. Far be it from us to question the GOBLET! If his name came out, he must play! He's not of age and it gives Hogwarts an unfair advantage, but the GOBLET HAS SPOKEN! Dumb wizards are dumb. Let's just continue walking right into people's fiendish plots without a second thought. - The challenges were at least fun to watch, up until the maze, which was supposed to be the final challenge (yawn). What was the challenge here exactly? How can you navigate a maze that is constantly shifting? What parts of the maze were what was supposed to be happening, and it being rigged? Was just the goblet rigged and something that was taking over people? Nothing at all is explained before or after this event. It should have been one of the most interesting and/or exciting parts of the tournament, being the last challenge, but instead the movie relies simply on Voldemort's return to be the only thing engaging about it. - Despite being fun to watch, the tournament in general was almost completely nonsensical: Danger? With the possibility of death even? Well, maybe/maybe not. Apparently the tournament was ceased at one point because participants kept dying, but they eventually brought it back with rules that were supposed to help prevent such deaths. I'm not even sure the movie goes into these details, and I'm not sure what "rules" were supposed to help. It definitely seemed death was a very real possibilty multiple times without anyone watching: Eaten by a dragon, drowning, and of course, killed by some random person because no one is able to see what's going on. Speaking of no one watching, how exciting is the fact that no one can actually see the participants doing the challenges? They all just sit around and wait. Dragon arena? Well, that was the closest one to a spectator sport, but they ended up doing most of the fight outside of the arena. So do they just sit there and cross their fingers that the wizard eventually returns? How long do they wait before they send out a search party to recover the dragon and/or body? If only they had wizard powers that could contain it within an area. Nevermind the possible deaths, what if participants don't pass the challenges? Not only do you not get to watch, but there's a possibility it doesn't even continue past certain rounds. Fortunately for us they all seemed to pass every single time. But what if no one figured out the riddle? Would the tournament just be over at that point with no winner? If only one person did, would it just end right then and there, or would the single participant keep going by themselves? Not that people get to watch them do anything anyways, but still. One of the only things I enjoyed coming out of GOF was Mad Eye Moody, but it turned out it wasn't even him, so it's just weird. *I was going to say I at least liked the scene where Ron wakes up from a nightmare and Harry tells him to show em whose boss... but it turns out that was from Prisoner of Azkaban: Yeah
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Post by PhantomKnight on Sept 4, 2019 17:04:43 GMT -5
Oh man... Goblet of Fire. Probably my least favorite of the series if you don't count the first two. Where to begin? - Dumb hair. - Silly romance subplots. Plenty of silly comedy continued here involving Ron. - A possible kick-ass quidditch match that is completely skipped - People being dumb throughout. Tournament is brought back after ages, weird shit happening with deatheaters at the beginning of the movie, odd happenings throughout, yet everyone is cool with everything. Far be it from us to question the GOBLET! If his name came out, he must play! He's not of age and it gives Hogwarts an unfair advantage, but the GOBLET HAS SPOKEN! Dumb wizards are dumb. Let's just continue walking right into people's fiendish plots without a second thought. - The challenges were at least fun to watch, up until the maze, which was supposed to be the final challenge (yawn). What was the challenge here exactly? How can you navigate a maze that is constantly shifting? What parts of the maze were what was supposed to be happening, and it being rigged? Was just the goblet rigged and something that was taking over people? Nothing at all is explained before or after this event. It should have been one of the most interesting and/or exciting parts of the tournament, being the last challenge, but instead the movie relies simply on Voldemort's return to be the only thing engaging about it. - Despite being fun to watch, the tournament in general was almost completely nonsensical: Danger? With the possibility of death even? Well, maybe/maybe not. Apparently the tournament was ceased at one point because participants kept dying, but they eventually brought it back with rules that were supposed to help prevent such deaths. I'm not even sure the movie goes into these details, and I'm not sure what "rules" were supposed to help. It definitely seemed death was a very real possibilty multiple times without anyone watching: Eaten by a dragon, drowning, and of course, killed by some random person because no one is able to see what's going on. Speaking of no one watching, how exciting is the fact that no one can actually see the participants doing the challenges? They all just sit around and wait. Dragon arena? Well, that was the closest one to a spectator sport, but they ended up doing most of the fight outside of the arena. So do they just sit there and cross their fingers that the wizard eventually returns? How long do they wait before they send out a search party to recover the dragon and/or body? If only they had wizard powers that could contain it within an area. Nevermind the possible deaths, what if participants don't pass the challenges? Not only do you not get to watch, but there's a possibility it doesn't even continue past certain rounds. Fortunately for us they all seemed to pass every single time. But what if no one figured out the riddle? Would the tournament just be over at that point with no winner? If only one person did, would it just end right then and there, or would the single participant keep going by themselves? Not that people get to watch them do anything anyways, but still. One of the only things I enjoyed coming out of GOF was Mad Eye Moody, but it turned out it wasn't even him, so it's just weird. *I was going to say I at least liked the scene where Ron wakes up from a nightmare and Harry tells him to show em whose boss... but it turns out that was from Prisoner of Azkaban:
I will say, though, that Azkaban and Goblet started the trend of the movies mainly being aimed at book readers and if you weren't in that camp, then you were pretty much shit out of luck. It was kind of a necessary evil, though, because the books became progressively denser in plot and world building and so they just had to focus on the bottom-line stuff. Otherwise, the later movies would've been at least 4 or 5 hours each. I really try to abstain from "because it was in the book" as an excuse, but to your point about the maze and what wasn't communicated clearly about it in the movie...Moody/Barty Crouch Jr. was one of the people patrolling the maze's perimeter and he was systematically removing the obstacles from Harry's path to try to make it easier to get to the Cup and thus the Graveyard. He was also the one who bewitched Viktor Krum to take out the other champions - again, to make sure Harry was the one who got to the Cup.
But of course, none of your problems are problems for me.
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Post by IanTheCool on Sept 5, 2019 7:44:00 GMT -5
I disagree. The movies still need to work as stand-alone movies and have a consistency within them. We shouldn't need to read additional texts to be able to coherently follow a given film.
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Post by Fanible on Sept 5, 2019 8:52:17 GMT -5
Well my complaints even included knowledge from the books (or footnotes?). To me it's just a poorly written story. The movie on its own is even worse without that additional knowledge. That's why it's towards the bottom for me. The only reasons the first two are worse is because of how fluffy they were, the visual effects, and child acting. Unfortunately overall I just found Rowling was very up and down throughout the series, even up until the very end. And that's saying something from me. As I stated earlier, I believe Prisoner of Azkaban has one of the best written uses of time travel. That's a big compliment. That, and Order of the Phoenix is actually one of my favorite fantasy films of all time. But of course, none of your problems are problems for me. Come on. Come ooooooon. I've never heard from a single person that wasn't bummed that the one and only professional quidditch match we were supposed to see was completely left out.
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I'd be bummed, but that would be assuming that I cared.
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Post by Dracula on Sept 5, 2019 10:35:12 GMT -5
Well my complaints even included knowledge from the books (or footnotes?). To me it's just a poorly written story. The movie on its own is even worse without that additional knowledge. That's why it's towards the bottom for me. The only reasons the first two are worse is because of how fluffy they were, the visual effects, and child acting. Unfortunately overall I just found Rowling was very up and down throughout the series, even up until the very end. And that's saying something from me. As I stated earlier, I believe Prisoner of Azkaban has one of the best written uses of time travel. That's a big compliment. That, and Order of the Phoenix is actually one of my favorite fantasy films of all time. But of course, none of your problems are problems for me. Come on. Come ooooooon. I've never heard from a single person that wasn't bummed that the one and only professional quidditch match we were supposed to see was completely left out. If it were up to me every quidditch match in these movies would be left out, because quidditch is stupid.
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Post by Fanible on Sept 5, 2019 12:06:30 GMT -5
If it were up to me every quidditch match in these movies would be left out, because quidditch is stupid. Could have been a chance to change that, but we'll never know.
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Post by Fanible on Sept 5, 2019 12:10:21 GMT -5
It's occurred to me that I've never really talked about the Harry Potter movies very much on the forums. I believe most of them have always been very mixed bags for me. It's an odd series. I think I love the ideas and the settings more than the actual stories. I was kind of hoping that involving adults in the universe (ala Fantastic Beasts) would have helped, but thus far, not so much.
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