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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jan 19, 2021 20:38:17 GMT -5
Ah yes, I can see it now.
The eccentric young William, who forgoes his stern father's wishes for him to follow in his footsteps and be a lawyer, changes his name to Willy Wonka and sets out to create a candy factory. After many failures and more disapproving looks from his father, young Wonka finally breaks through with his signature candy: the everlasting gobstopper! Then everyone believes, his dad says whoops I just thought you were a weirdo I didn't realize you had actual vision, and then later a stupid kid named Charlie and his deadbeat Grandpa Joe arrive with a golden ticket and the rest is history.
This shit writes itself, I should submit a spec right away!
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jan 19, 2021 20:40:31 GMT -5
Oh, and young Wonka DEFINITELY has a cooky laboratory where he tries out his candy recipes. This means we'll have a scene of LOL hijinks where he tries to show his father his latest invention and it literally blows up in his face. His dad reprimands him with a "stop messing around with candy, you're not a child anymore! Read your law books!"
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Post by Neverending on Jan 19, 2021 20:48:02 GMT -5
Ah yes, I can see it now. The eccentric young William, who forgoes his stern father's wishes for him to follow in his footsteps and be a lawyer, changes his name to Willy Wonka and sets out to create a candy factory. After many failures and more disapproving looks from his father, young Wonka finally breaks through with his signature candy: the everlasting gobstopper! Then everyone believes, his dad says whoops I just thought you were a weirdo I didn't realize you had actual vision, and then later a stupid kid named Charlie and his deadbeat Grandpa Joe arrive with a golden ticket and the rest is history. This shit writes itself, I should submit a spec right away! Oh, and young Wonka DEFINITELY has a cooky laboratory where he tries out his candy recipes. This means we'll have a scene of LOL hijinks where he tries to show his father his latest invention and it literally blows up in his face. His dad reprimands him with a "stop messing around with candy, you're not a child anymore! Read your law books!" All this was already in the Tim Burton movie. LOL. Christopher Lee played Wonka’s dad, but he was a dentist instead of a lawyer.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jan 19, 2021 21:02:30 GMT -5
All this was already in the Tim Burton movie. LOL. Christopher Lee played Wonka’s dad, but he was a dentist instead of a lawyer. You might not believe me, but I did not know that lol. Yes, I saw that movie in theaters but have no recollection of it other than it being extremely meh. I was going for the most conventional backstory I could come up with, and lo and behold that's what they went with.
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Post by Neverending on Jan 19, 2021 21:30:53 GMT -5
All this was already in the Tim Burton movie. LOL. Christopher Lee played Wonka’s dad, but he was a dentist instead of a lawyer. You might not believe me, but I did not know that lol. Yes, I saw that movie in theaters but have no recollection of it other than it being extremely meh. I was going for the most conventional backstory I could come up with, and lo and behold that's what they went with. I just rescued you from a John August lawsuit.
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Post by thebtskink on Jan 19, 2021 22:36:51 GMT -5
Why go this direction and not just give us The Great Glass Elevator?
It's right there!!
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jan 20, 2021 14:59:53 GMT -5
I just rescued you from a John August lawsuit. As a regular Script Notes listener, thank you. But also, John August should maybe heed some of what he's preaching because that backstory is as generic as they come.
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Post by Neverending on Jan 20, 2021 17:39:40 GMT -5
I just rescued you from a John August lawsuit. As a regular Script Notes listener, thank you. But also, John August should maybe heed some of what he's preaching because that backstory is as generic as they come. I used to read his blog back in the 2000’s. He made a post explaining/defending his decisions. It might still be around.
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Post by Jibbs on Jan 20, 2021 18:39:19 GMT -5
Why go this direction and not just give us The Great Glass Elevator? It's right there!! Then they couldn't stamp it "Wonka."
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jan 20, 2021 19:27:55 GMT -5
I used to read his blog back in the 2000’s. He made a post explaining/defending his decisions. It might still be around. Doubling down on bad writing makes it so much worse.
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Post by Neverending on Jan 20, 2021 20:44:49 GMT -5
I used to read his blog back in the 2000’s. He made a post explaining/defending his decisions. It might still be around. Doubling down on bad writing makes it so much worse. johnaugust.com/2005/why-is-charlie-so-passiveIn Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, why is Charlie so passive in the movie?
As the main character I would think he would do something during the big adventure in the factory but he does nothing. He faces no challenges. He is not tested in any way. He doesn’t even have the opportunity to make a single mistake.
He is simply the blandest and most uninteresting character in the entire group. He doesn’t even merit a song. I just don’t get it.
–GilbertCongratulations, Gilbert. You are now a studio executive. The one consistent note Tim and I got from Warner Bros. about the script was, “Shouldn’t Charlie be trying harder?” To which we answered, “No.” And because Tim Burton is Tim Burton, they eventually stopped asking. The world is full of movies where scrappy young heroes succeed by trying really hard, by being clever and saying witty things. But that’s not Roald Dahl’s Charlie Bucket at all. We didn’t want a classic Disney protagonist, so we left Charlie the way he was: a good kid. Here’s what I wrote a few weeks ago about this issue: However, Charlie is not a classic Protagonist. Charlie doesn’t grow or change over the course of the story. He doesn’t need to. He starts out a really nice kid, and ends up a really nice kid.
In terms of Classical Dramatic Structure, that leaves us one Protagonist short, which leads to the biggest change in the screenplay versus the book (or the 1971 film). In our movie, Willy Wonka is the protagonist. He grows and changes. We see his rise and fall, along with his nervous breakdown during the tour. Charlie’s the one who’s always asking – ever so politely, in the Freddie Highmore Whisperâ„¢ – the questions that lead to Wonka’s flashbacks upon his rotten childhood. (In Classic Dramatic terms, that makes Charlie an Antagonist. Not to be confused with a Villain. Are you sure you don’t want to read about some squirrels?)
As I pitched it to Tim: Charlie gets a factory, and Willy Wonka gets a family. It’s the whole want-versus-need thing. Charlie doesn’t need a factory. Wonka really needs a family. Otherwise, he’s going to die a giggling misanthropic weirdo.Charlie “wins” because he’s genuinely good, in a quiet, unassuming way. He doesn’t get a song because the Oompa-Loompas only sing about rotten children. I’m sorry that doesn’t float your boat, Gilbert, but I think the real issue may be how much you’re preconditioned by all the movies you’ve seen with plucky kids who outthink the adults. If you hurry, you can probably catch one at the multiplex.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jan 21, 2021 15:29:49 GMT -5
Damnnnnn John August got salty in that response!
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jan 21, 2021 16:08:35 GMT -5
I remember when Roberto Orci got super defensive over his trash script to Star Trek into Darkness on an online forum and pretty much hasn't been employed since.
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Post by Neverending on Jan 21, 2021 16:21:07 GMT -5
Damnnnnn John August got salty in that response! I remember when Roberto Orci got super defensive over his trash script to Star Trek into Darkness on an online forum and pretty much hasn't been employed since. Any yet, they gave the keys to the Star Trek franchise to Alex Kurtzman.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jan 21, 2021 16:27:01 GMT -5
As far as I know, Kurtzman kept his mouth shut and took it up the ass like the studio likes. As a result, he has done more stuff since, whereas Orci disappeared off the face of the Earth.
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Post by scottysair on Jan 22, 2021 16:51:34 GMT -5
Do you know when I can watch Wonka movie? On what years is it? When they will coming out?
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Oct 12, 2021 12:29:59 GMT -5
Well he does look the part.
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