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Post by Wyldstaar on Jul 15, 2020 16:03:38 GMT -5
The failure of Superman IV (along with MoTU) to perform at the box office is one of the primary reasons Cannon went bankrupt and sold the Superman movie license to Jon Peters. Jon Peters didn’t stop Superman movies from getting made. I never said he did. |
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 15, 2020 16:03:41 GMT -5
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Post by Neverending on Jul 15, 2020 16:03:48 GMT -5
That site in general is a minor tragedy of a fan-site and resource being co-opted by "the man". Before Christopher Nolan, that was the Batman site. Jett was very authentic with his opinions. If you could look-up his original Batman Forever review you'd be shocked. Guy loved that movie and said it was better than Batman Returns and on-par with Batman 89. Guy wasn't some one-sided fanboy that would go with the trends. You could respect him even if you didn't agree with him. Then to become a shill for Warner Bros was quite tragic. |
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jul 15, 2020 16:07:28 GMT -5
That site in general is a minor tragedy of a fan-site and resource being co-opted by "the man". Before Christopher Nolan, that was the Batman site. Jett was very authentic with his opinions. If you could look-up his original Batman Forever review you'd be shocked. Guy loved that movie and said it was better than Batman Returns and on-par with Batman 89. Guy wasn't some one-sided fanboy that would go with the trends. You could respect him even if you didn't agree with him. Then to become a shill for Warner Bros was quite tragic. To be fair, he was invited to the premiere of Batman v Superman too, and his review was not kind to that movie, so he does have some standards. But I remember his opinion of Rises is that it was the best Batman movie that could ever be made and that's...just no. I'm not sure I ever looked up his Justice League opinion though. |
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 15, 2020 16:10:18 GMT -5
Before Christopher Nolan, that was the Batman site. Jett was very authentic with his opinions. If you could look-up his original Batman Forever review you'd be shocked. Guy loved that movie and said it was better than Batman Returns and on-par with Batman 89. Guy wasn't some one-sided fanboy that would go with the trends. You could respect him even if you didn't agree with him. Then to become a shill for Warner Bros was quite tragic. To be fair, he was invited to the premiere of Batman v Superman too, and his review was not kind to that movie, so he does have some standards. But I remember his opinion of Rises is that it was the best Batman movie that could ever be made and that's...just no. I'm not sure I ever looked up his Justice League opinion though. I will say, I've really come around on TDKR. Definitely the weakest of the Nolan movie and a near complete mess at times, but fffuckkkk me is it entertaining. |
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jul 15, 2020 16:12:57 GMT -5
Oh I like Rises, but it's just like three steps below the other two, and there are things that make me go "You couldn't have done something else?" Like, the "Robin" reveal at the end of the movie is "lol no."
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Post by Neverending on Jul 15, 2020 16:14:32 GMT -5
I will say, I've really come around on TDKR. Definitely the weakest of the Nolan movie and a near complete mess at times, but fffuckkkk me is it entertaining. That movie gets worse every time I watch it. Although Tom Hardy as Bane is hilarious. |
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 15, 2020 16:15:42 GMT -5
I will say, I've really come around on TDKR. Definitely the weakest of the Nolan movie and a near complete mess at times, but fffuckkkk me is it entertaining. That movie gets worse every time I watch it. Although Tom Hardy as Bane is hilarious. See I like it more and more with time. But as you might remember I had a very negative reaction back in 2012. |
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jul 15, 2020 16:21:55 GMT -5
I think my reaction has always been about the same. It's kind of how I view movies like It: Chapter Two where I like the idea of they movie they think they're making more than the movie itself, though it's still fine enough.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jul 15, 2020 16:33:18 GMT -5
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Post by Neverending on Jul 15, 2020 16:40:47 GMT -5
But as you might remember I had a very negative reaction back in 2012. I mostly remember Doomsday shitting on it. |
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 15, 2020 16:43:30 GMT -5
Speaking of notorious posters Hey, I conceded you were correct in those arguments when I made that video. You know who really pissed me off? Jett from Batman-on-Film. I used to love that dude. Gym teacher by day. Batman nerd by night. Then Warner Bros invites him to the premiere of Batman Begins and the dude did a 180 on the Burton films. The guy had the balls to say Batman Returns is as bad as the Schumacher movies. I was outraged and never again went to that guy's website. Although I was friends with him on MySpace and would see all his shilling for Warner Bros. Disgusting. The last time I watched Batman Returns (January of this year), I could see the beginning of the transition to the Schumacher tone. Marching penguins with rockets strapped to their backs. Penguin's bumbling circus performer goons. The gadgets Penguin himself employs. Catwoman's dialogue. The scene where Penguin controls the Batmobile via one of those kiddie rides you see outside grocery stores. That very same scene going out of its way to employ the "old lady crossing the street" gag. The Penguin's downfall being brought on by DJ Batman. To be fair, he was invited to the premiere of Batman v Superman too, and his review was not kind to that movie, so he does have some standards. But I remember his opinion of Rises is that it was the best Batman movie that could ever be made and that's...just no. I'm not sure I ever looked up his Justice League opinion though. I will say, I've really come around on TDKR. Definitely the weakest of the Nolan movie and a near complete mess at times, but fffuckkkk me is it entertaining. I've always loved Rises. It starts off sloppy as hell, but once it settles into its groove, the sheer ambition of it makes it immensely entertaining. |
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Post by thebtskink on Jul 15, 2020 16:46:14 GMT -5
Everything Bane says about the "wealthy elites" is cringy, and it was cringy then too.
If they excised that crap they'd have a better movie.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 15, 2020 16:54:51 GMT -5
The last time I watched Batman Returns (January of this year), I could see the beginning of the transition to the Schumacher tone. Marching penguins with rockets strapped to their backs. Penguin's bumbling circus performer goons. The gadgets Penguin himself employs. Catwoman's dialogue. The scene where Penguin controls the Batmobile via one of those kiddie rides you see outside grocery stores. That very same scene going out of its way to employ the "old lady crossing the street" gag. The Penguin's downfall being brought on by DJ Batman. |
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 15, 2020 17:06:42 GMT -5
Darkman > > > > Batman Returns
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jul 15, 2020 17:17:58 GMT -5
Darkman > > > > Batman Returns This guy gets it. |
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Post by thebtskink on Jul 15, 2020 17:28:16 GMT -5
To be fair, Darkman is better than most superhero movies.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jul 15, 2020 17:31:23 GMT -5
Darkman is better than most movies period.
Every best picture winner of the 90's should have scrubbed out and they would just pull Darkman out of the envelope over and over again, because it's Darkman and it deserves it.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Jul 15, 2020 18:09:05 GMT -5
Spider-Man
It's a fun movie. I have issues with Spider-Man, but as first takes on a particular superhero go, Raimi did a fair job.
Waiting seven years to make a sequel in name only is a strange thing to do. The first movie was already a bargain basement production, but Return of Swamp Thing looks even more cheap than the original. Not even Heather Locklear at her hottest, or Jim Wynorski in his prime could save it from disaster.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 15, 2020 18:27:58 GMT -5
Darkman is better than most movies period. Every best picture winner of the 90's should have scrubbed out and they would just pull Darkman out of the envelope over and over again, because it's Darkman and it deserves it. And get Warren Beatty to read it out each time without telling him what's going on. |
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jul 15, 2020 18:31:22 GMT -5
Darkman is better than most movies period. Every best picture winner of the 90's should have scrubbed out and they would just pull Darkman out of the envelope over and over again, because it's Darkman and it deserves it. And get Warren Beatty to read it out each time without telling him what's going on. Emma Stone: Darkman? |
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Post by IanTheCool on Jul 15, 2020 19:32:01 GMT -5
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jul 15, 2020 19:45:57 GMT -5
I think this round needs to last at least a week.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 15, 2020 22:00:50 GMT -5
The last time I watched Batman Returns (January of this year), I could see the beginning of the transition to the Schumacher tone. Marching penguins with rockets strapped to their backs. Penguin's bumbling circus performer goons. The gadgets Penguin himself employs. Catwoman's dialogue. The scene where Penguin controls the Batmobile via one of those kiddie rides you see outside grocery stores. That very same scene going out of its way to employ the "old lady crossing the street" gag. The Penguin's downfall being brought on by DJ Batman. The last time I watched Batman Returns (January of this year), I could see the beginning of the transition to the Schumacher tone. Marching penguins with rockets strapped to their backs. Penguin's bumbling circus performer goons. The gadgets Penguin himself employs. Catwoman's dialogue. The scene where Penguin controls the Batmobile via one of those kiddie rides you see outside grocery stores. That very same scene going out of its way to employ the "old lady crossing the street" gag. The Penguin's downfall being brought on by DJ Batman. Darkman > > > > Batman Returns Such disrespect. |
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Post by Neverending on Jul 15, 2020 22:37:41 GMT -5
It seems like Batman Returns is going up against X2: X-Men United, which is a shame, cause a match-up with Ang Lee's Hulk would have been a lot more interesting. Two directors who made their version of a superhero. |
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