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Post by Neverending on Dec 18, 2019 3:54:11 GMT -5
STAR WARS: EPISODE VII - THE FORCE IS FLACCIDI knew Episode VII of the Star Wars saga was in trouble as soon as I read the opening text crawl. It revealed that Luke Skywalker vanished and a map was needed to find him. That's the plot? Really? The rumors from a year or two ago were a lot of more exciting. People thought the movie would begin with Luke's prosthetic hand being found in the desert and the rebel alliance trying to figure out what happened. Is he alive? Is he dead? Is he marooned somewhere? Was he captured by the enemy? But no, instead, we get Luke going to into exile and leaving a map behind so his friends can find him. Boring! Even more puzzling is the revelation of the backstory being more interesting than the main story. After the events of Episode VI, Luke tried to restore the Jedi's to their former glory, but failed when his nephew turned against him. THAT should have been the plot for Episode VII. Not only would it have been more dramatic and emotional, but it would have totally made up for the prequels. It's obvious that Luke's nephew, Kylo Ren, is modeled after Anakin Skywalker. He's a confused young man that falls for the temptations of the Dark Side. The Force Awakens could have been the movie that fans wanted 16 years ago. It could have also introduced the new characters and their stories more naturally. Take Rey for example. We assume that she's Luke's daughter and Kylo Ren's cousin, but we're never explicitly told so because some mysteries need to be left for the sequels. That's fine, I guess, but the problem is that she's an untrained Jedi who defeats Kylo Ren in a lightsaber fight. I don't care that he was injured. He's still a Jedi trained by Luke Skywalker. There was no reason for him to get his butt kicked. So wouldn't it have been better, and made more sense, for them to both have been students of Luke Skywalker and rivals from the get-go. Heck, why make them cousins? Why not siblings? Sibling rivalries could have been at the heart of this new trilogy. You have Luke Skywalker. His two best students are his children, or his nephew and niece, Rey and Kylo Ren. Kylo Ren betrays, and kills, Luke Skywalker, and Rey seeks revenge. Isn't that better than searching for a map? It would have also spared us from some questionable decisions like giving more screen time to Finn than Poe Dameron. Oscar Isaac is a rising star and his schedule may have not been great, but this is Star Wars, you make it happen. You can't introduce an awesome Han Solo esque character and push him aside for the human version of C-3PO. And who's that lady Stormtrooper? Why is she in the movie for 10 seconds? Again, why did they introduce such interesting characters and do nothing with them? Could it be that they're saving them for the sequel? Even though I've spent a lot of time complaining about a map, the REAL issue with Episode VII is what it represents. It's not a movie. It's the set-up for other movies. It's the equivalent of a TV show pilot. This series now relies on the talents of Rian Johnson and Colin Trevorrow. They have to take everything that J.J. Abrams set up and turn it into something that people will care about. Will they be successful? Time will tell. For the time being, I'll accept The Force Awakens, even though it's incredibly misguided. For what it is, it's really well done and it's definitely better than the prequels, and arguably, better than Return of the Jedi. For now, it's good enough. STAR WARS: EPISODE VIII - THE LAST BONERIs anyone gonna fuck in these movies? First, they cocktease us with Poe and Finn. Disney was destined to break new ground with the first ever male gay couple in a major Hollywood blockbuster. But nooooo... they had to throw in Rose. This ain't Titanic. Toss that bitch off the ship. Now they have a whole movie with sexual tension between Rey and Kylo Ren and it leads to nothing. This motherfucker killed Snoke for you. At least suck his dick. Speaking of which... what happened to Snoke? He was supposed to be this badass villain and he goes out like Darth Maul. This ain't the Phantom Menace. Did George Lucas break into Rian Johnson's house at night and secretly re-wrote his script? This is Episode 8. It's the middle chapter of the third trilogy. It's the cliffhanger. The audience is supposed to leave the theater hyped for the finale. Instead... there's nothing left to get excited about. Snoke is dead. Carrie Fisher is dead. Luke is a ghost now. Rey and Kylo Ren ain't fucking. What's gonna be the plot of Episode 9? Blow up another Death Star? People are complaining about Poe, Finn & Rose, Leia randomly using the Force and all sorts of nonsense. But all of that is the least of this movies problems. It killed all the tension halfway through the trilogy by ignoring the most logical plot point. Rey and Kylo Ren have to fuck. Hear me out, folks. Luke Skywalker is a dick. He runs away. He goes into hiding. He refuses to join Rey and the Resistance. That leads to the sexual tension between Rey and Kylo Ren. Instead of training to become a master Jedi, Rey spends the whole movie having Skype calls with a shirtless Kylo Ren. By the way, if your audience didn't laugh their ass off at shirtless Kylo Ren, you watched this movie with the wrong crowd. Anyway, Rey having been disillusioned by Luke, goes to join Kylo Ren and defeat Snoke. That's when you end the movie. When Kylo Ren turns to Rey and says, "you ain't a Skywalker or Solo. You're a nobody. Come join me and have a purpose in this story", that's when Rey is supposed to say yes and cue Episode 9. Instead we get this finale that feels like the conclusion of this particular saga. Other than Kylo Ren still being alive and the war still going on, nothing was set-up for Episode 9. The audience is left with this feeling of, "that's it? We're done?" Just because the war isn't over doesn't mean anything. This war has technically been going on since Revenge of the Sith. It's the personal stories that we care about. Right now, the stories are over. Rey is the new hope. Kylo Ren has embraced the dark side. Finn is no longer a coward. Poe has learned to be a better leader. Tell me. What's next? The final confrontation? Bo-ring. It doesn't matter if there's no emotional stakes. Let's hope J.J. Abrams can prove me wrong. STAR WARS: EPISODE IX - THE ERECTIONThe movie begins with Supreme Leader Kylo Ren in search of the Sith Wayfinder. It is a device that leads to the Unknown Realm, where the Sith live, and where a barely-alive Palpatine is operating within the shadows. Rey senses what’s going on in the Force and goes on her own mission to track down a Wayfinder and finally come face-to-face with the Emperor. Let’s start with the good. Rey, Finn & Poe spent the majority of the story together. It’s nice to see our three main characters go on a mission together. Alright. Now for the bad. This whole Sequel Trilogy ultimately made no sense. The Empire was defeated in Return of the Jedi. What the fuck is the First Order and how did they come to power? On top of that, you’re gonna tell me Palpatine was still running the show? So... basically... nothing got accomplished in the Original Trilogy??? Yeah... okay. Luke running away was stupid. General Leia was stupid. Han transporting monsters was stupid. Kylo Ren. Rey. All of it. Just dumb. None of this makes any sense. It’s more clear than ever that this should have been Luke’s story. The Empire is defeated but leftover fractions of it form evil organizations. Luke tries to restore the Jedi to fight this villainy but shit goes wrong along the way. That’s it. It’s not rocket science, J.J. Speaking of which, to give J.J. credit, he does know how to make fun movies. That’s been the saving grace of this trilogy. These movies, on a technical level, are well made and fun to watch. It’s just the story is fucking stupid and pointless. Choosing my favorite of the Sequel Trilogy, I’ll stick to Force Awakens. It’s flawed, just like the rest, but at least it feels like a Star Wars movie. Last Jedi was nonsense and this one is on autopilot trying to undo Last Jedi. The first two acts are just an exposition dump. Then the third act feels like an actual movie. Overall, it’s fine. It’s whatever. Munch on your Whopper from Burger King and enjoy your holidays.
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Post by Doomsday on Dec 18, 2019 13:42:28 GMT -5
57% on RT right now, yeesh.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Dec 18, 2019 13:52:24 GMT -5
That moment where Spies in Disguise gets better reviews than Rise of Skywalker.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Dec 18, 2019 14:19:57 GMT -5
57% on RT right now, yeesh. This is pretty astounding.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 18, 2019 15:19:09 GMT -5
57% on RT right now, yeesh. That moment where Spies in Disguise gets better reviews than Rise of Skywalker. 57% on RT right now, yeesh. This is pretty astounding. Phantom Menace - 53%Clones - 65% Sith - 80% Solo - 70% Rogue One - 83% New Hope - 93% Empire - 94% Jedi - 82% Force Awakens - 93% Last Jedi - 91% Skywalker - 58%It’s like poetry, it rhymes.
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Post by frankyt on Dec 18, 2019 15:33:07 GMT -5
Pigeon spy prob has a better soundtrack too.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Dec 18, 2019 16:23:35 GMT -5
Browsing review headlines from RT, sounds like Disney and Abrams did exactly what we feared most: respond to Last Jedi by making the most bland, vanilla, fan-service bullshit that doesn't have a bold voice of its own.
Maybe we need to reevaluate Last Jedi since it's the only one of the trilogy that actually had some balls, even if I didn't like what those balls had to offer.
Wait...what?
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Post by Neverending on Dec 18, 2019 16:38:16 GMT -5
Browsing review headlines from RT, sounds like Disney and Abrams did exactly what we feared most: respond to Last Jedi by making the most bland, vanilla, fan-service bullshit that doesn't have a bold voice of its own. Maybe we need to reevaluate Last Jedi since it's the only one of the trilogy that actually had some balls, even if I didn't like what those balls had to offer. Wait...what? Bland and vanilla is not how I would describe it. Stupid and pointless is more accurate. But you can’t blame this individual movie. The whole trilogy was misguided.
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Post by Dracula on Dec 19, 2019 23:09:17 GMT -5
Browsing review headlines from RT, sounds like Disney and Abrams did exactly what we feared most: respond to Last Jedi by making the most bland, vanilla, fan-service bullshit that doesn't have a bold voice of its own. I would say it absolutely has a voice of its own... it just so happens to be the exact same voice that The Force Awakens has. It's pretty much exactly the third installment you would expect from the trilogy that Abrams started and I'm fine with that.
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Post by Dracula on Dec 19, 2019 23:41:10 GMT -5
In short, I quite liked it. It fixed a lot of the things I had a problem with in TLJ and is pretty much in line with the quality of TFA. Rian Johnson's dick riders are being rather ridiculous about all this. That said it's not perfect and shares a lot of the pros and cons of all the movies in this trilogy. The Good
- Look, I know a lot of people liked the idea of Rey's parents being "nobody," but that never made sense and there was something kind of elegant about how they undid that without really undoing it.
- It also does a reasonably good job of making sense of where Snoke came from and what was going on with all this.
- It's generally pretty good from an action perspective and the various planets they go to look cool
- Does a pretty good job of spreading the wealth amongst the cast and really makes them seem like friends for the first time in the series.
- It borrows from Return of the Jedi in much the way the last two movies drew from Hope and Empire, but it's not quite as blatant about it as TFA was and frankly ROTJ is a good sturdy format to build a series finale on.
- Probably has the least annoying sense of humor of the three movies.
The Bad
- They don't really pull off using stock footage to bring Leia into the movie. There was probably no better or more elegant solution but it's far from seamless and it's pretty obvious what they're doing.
- The Harrison Ford cameo was probably a bad idea. I'm guessing that that was supposed to be Carrie Fischer, which would have been fine, but Han Solo is not force ghost capable.
- The Jedi Mysticism in general gets a little woozy here and there and I suspect that will be a bit of a turnoff to people.
- The concept of Rey and Kylo being horny for one another never made sense in the last movie and doesn't really make sense here. Rey should not be having warm fuzzy feelings about this mass murderer.
- They could have done more with the Rose character and it was a little weird that they were still adding new characters like Poe's old friend and the former stormtrooper lady when it was way too late to do either of them justice.
**** out of Five
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Post by Pbar on Dec 20, 2019 1:52:30 GMT -5
I hated it more than THE LAST JEDI.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 20, 2019 3:33:21 GMT -5
In short, I quite liked it. It fixed a lot of the things I had a problem with in TLJ and is pretty much in line with the quality of TFA. Rian Johnson's dick riders are being rather ridiculous about all this. That said it's not perfect and shares a lot of the pros and cons of all the movies in this trilogy. The Good
- Look, I know a lot of people liked the idea of Rey's parents being "nobody," but that never made sense and there was something kind of elegant about how they undid that without really undoing it.
- It also does a reasonably good job of making sense of where Snoke came from and what was going on with all this.
- It's generally pretty good from an action perspective and the various planets they go to look cool
- Does a pretty good job of spreading the wealth amongst the cast and really makes them seem like friends for the first time in the series.
- It borrows from Return of the Jedi in much the way the last two movies drew from Hope and Empire, but it's not quite as blatant about it as TFA was and frankly ROTJ is a good sturdy format to build a series finale on.
- Probably has the least annoying sense of humor of the three movies.
The Bad
- They don't really pull off using stock footage to bring Leia into the movie. There was probably no better or more elegant solution but it's far from seamless and it's pretty obvious what they're doing.
- The Harrison Ford cameo was probably a bad idea. I'm guessing that that was supposed to be Carrie Fischer, which would have been fine, but Han Solo is not force ghost capable.
- The Jedi Mysticism in general gets a little woozy here and there and I suspect that will be a bit of a turnoff to people.
- The concept of Rey and Kylo being horny for one another never made sense in the last movie and doesn't really make sense here. Rey should not be having warm fuzzy feelings about this mass murderer.
- They could have done more with the Rose character and it was a little weird that they were still adding new characters like Poe's old friend and the former stormtrooper lady when it was way too late to do either of them justice.
**** out of Five
I hated it more than THE LAST JEDI.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Dec 20, 2019 6:00:02 GMT -5
#ReleaseTheTrevorrowCut
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Post by Neverending on Dec 20, 2019 8:08:35 GMT -5
His version supposedly died with Carrie Fisher. The “plan” was: Force Awakens is Hans movie, Last Jedi is Luke’s movie and Episode 9 is Leia’s movie. So if Carrie Fisher had lived, we would have gotten more of Space Flying Leia.
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Post by FShuttari on Dec 20, 2019 12:07:43 GMT -5
As a big Star Wars fan, I enjoyed the film very much and it has to be taken into consideration that JJ Abrams is a different producer entirely, than George Lucas with different ideas and concepts.
Abrams delivers an overall very satisfying conclusion to the saga which ties up all the loose ends from previous installments. Great nostalgia with Palpatine, especially giving the film a terrifying threat for the heroes to overcome.
This film looks gorgeous, offers strong performances from Driver and Ridley,and ends this saga with a bang.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 20, 2019 15:03:04 GMT -5
Abrams delivers an overall very satisfying conclusion to the saga which ties up all the loose ends from previous installments.
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Post by FShuttari on Dec 20, 2019 15:09:04 GMT -5
By previous installments I meant Force Awakens and Last Jedi.
Obviously if you think this completes all 9 chapters... I would say No.
So I guess I wasn't being clear.
These movies are obvious reboots like JJ's Star Trek. But at least with Star Trek he said they are different Universe or something.
This time he's dilberatly saying this concludes the 9 movies.
Which was really dumb... No one is going to believe Anakin wasn't the chosen one. It was Rey all along lol
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Post by frankyt on Dec 20, 2019 16:19:12 GMT -5
First impressions are I actually really dug it. I gotta let it marinate for a little while but only a few things really bugged me an none as egregiously as last jedis story issues.
9/10 for now.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 20, 2019 16:39:41 GMT -5
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Post by 1godzillafan on Dec 20, 2019 17:50:43 GMT -5
That movie was a fucking joke.
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Post by FShuttari on Dec 20, 2019 19:55:18 GMT -5
First impressions are I actually really dug it. I gotta let it marinate for a little while but only a few things really bugged me an none as egregiously as last jedis story issues. 9/10 for now. Drac and Frankyt Both like this movie??? I feel a disturbance in the force...
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Post by PhantomKnight on Dec 20, 2019 19:56:28 GMT -5
Okay...honestly, I wasn't expecting to like this movie THIS much, which is to say that I really, REALLY liked it. I might need to let it sit with me a bit more, but my first instinct is that this is hands down my favorite of the new trilogy. It also kind of puts into perspective how kind of misguided and filler-y The Last Jedi was. I in no way consider myself a die hard Star Wars fan - I always liked the series but never got deeply invested in the mythology nor was it enough of a staple of my childhood to "mean anything" to me on a personal level. That said...I almost felt like a kid watching this, and it seemed to feel the most Star Wars-y to me of all the new films, closely followed by The Force Awakens. I particularly liked how this film brought Rey, Finn and Poe together and made them feel like a more fleshed out team/family unit. Also, I truly wasn't expecting how truly emotional the last forty-five minutes or so made me. Yes, I can see all the fan service, but this is effective fan service It got me to feel, it got me to laugh, it got me to nearly cry more than once. Obviously, Star Wars means many different things to many different people, and that's okay. The Rise of Skywalker symbolizes what I like about Star Wars, and I walked away very satisfied.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 20, 2019 20:19:28 GMT -5
Okay...honestly, I wasn't expecting to like this movie THIS much, which is to say that I really, REALLY liked it. I might need to let it sit with me a bit more, but my first instinct is that this is hands down my favorite of the new trilogy. It also kind of puts into perspective how kind of misguided and filler-y The Last Jedi was. I in no way consider myself a die hard Star Wars fan - I always liked the series but never got deeply invested in the mythology nor was it enough of a staple of my childhood to "mean anything" to me on a personal level. That said...I almost felt like a kid watching this, and it seemed to feel the most Star Wars-y to me of all the new films, closely followed by The Force Awakens. I particularly liked how this film brought Rey, Finn and Poe together and made them feel like a more fleshed out team/family unit. Also, I truly wasn't expecting how truly emotional the last forty-five minutes or so made me. Yes, I can see all the fan service, but this is effective fan service It got me to feel, it got me to laugh, it got me to nearly cry more than once. Obviously, Star Wars means many different things to many different people, and that's okay. The Rise of Skywalker symbolizes what I like about Star Wars, and I walked away very satisfied.
***1/2 /****
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Post by Fanible on Dec 21, 2019 3:23:16 GMT -5
I guess I'll be the middle ground person here. Much better than The Last Jedi, but at the same time I felt fairly underwhelmed. At least from the view point that this is supposed to be the end of a "Saga". Some sloppy film making, I suppose from all the obvious course correction over the last movie. Especially the odd, forced, rapid-fire plot lines within the first half hour. I wouldn't be against seeing it again, unlike TLJ which I have no desire to ever see again. Rose being Jar Jar Binksed is pretty hilarious. Although maybe sad, if you consider that she may have actually requested being so.
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