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Post by Neverending on Jul 1, 2019 4:28:33 GMT -5
In honor of PG Cooper and Canada Day, I shall attempt to live blog Once Upon a Time in America, this fucking movie that’s like 6 hours long. True story. I bought the blu-ray at Walmart for $5. It was in the bin - the bin! It comes with the Extended Director’s Cut and the 2003 version. I guess I gotta do the directors cut. Oh, boy. Wish me luck.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 1, 2019 4:47:10 GMT -5
Notes #1:
- Jennifer Connelly doesn’t get credited in the opening? The fuck?
- What happened to “Good Bless, America” as the opening song? I think I faintly heard it. It was definitely more prominent before.
- Forgot how annoying that damn telephone was in the opium scene. LOL.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 1, 2019 4:51:47 GMT -5
I remember waaayyy back in the day when people said this old bearded man playing the train ticket seller was Sergio Leone. LOL.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 1, 2019 4:53:33 GMT -5
Yesterday by The Beatles I see why PG Cooper released the video this weekend. He was trying to be timely.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 1, 2019 4:58:14 GMT -5
Supposedly this is 1968 but everyone’s dressed like it’s 1983.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 1, 2019 5:19:36 GMT -5
It took like 35 minutes to get to the scenes with them as children. So the whole opening is Noodles running away from assassins and returning as an old geezer when his hiding place is found. That whole section could have been cut in half.
Funny thing is, when I watched this movie in the 90’s in a shortened cut, they didn’t eliminate anything from that section, maybe a few trims here & there. LOL. I think the only version that made significant cuts was the one presented in chronological order since you don’t need all the exposition. But either way, in any version, you gotta sit through Noodles moping around as Yesterday plays.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 1, 2019 5:29:57 GMT -5
PG Cooper bitching about this kid eating the cupcake, but this n-gga bought the cupcake so he could have sex with the neighborhood prostitute. Little homie over here chose food over skanking ass pussy. Nothing wrong with that. PG Cooper is like Fake News. Character assassinating this poor kid.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 1, 2019 5:34:41 GMT -5
“He’ll never get it up.” That’s you, PG Cooper.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 1, 2019 5:45:21 GMT -5
It wouldn’t be a Leone movie if our heroes didn’t get beat up by a gang.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 1, 2019 5:58:34 GMT -5
“Noodles, I slipped.”
The childhood scenes are great, a breeze to watch. I don’t think there’s any version of this movie that cuts out anything from this section.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 1, 2019 6:01:28 GMT -5
Watching this movie now, it’s a shame Williamsburg has turned into a hipster paradise. I love the cityscape of that whole section.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 1, 2019 6:05:38 GMT -5
LOL!
So we’ve arrived at the first “extended scene” and the drop in picture quality is horrendous.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 1, 2019 6:12:31 GMT -5
Yeah. That “extended scene” wasn’t needed at all. Going from the key to the luggage to the frisbee is WAY more effective than breaking up the action so Noodles can chat with that blonde lady.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 1, 2019 6:24:20 GMT -5
Joe Pesci! And Paulie from Rocky!
I watched this movie before Raging Bull (seriously) so this was my introduction to pre-Lethal Weapon/Home Alone Joe Pesci. It was crazy to learn that Joe Pesci was “young” once and mellow.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 1, 2019 6:44:03 GMT -5
Another “extended scene” in the Old Man Noodles section. The image quality wasn’t as horrendous but the scene didn’t need to be resurrected.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 1, 2019 7:06:29 GMT -5
Third “extended scene”, this one in the main section. Noodles chats with the chauffeur before his date with Deborah. Should have also remained in the cutting room floor.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 1, 2019 7:26:26 GMT -5
Fourth “extended scene” is Noodles hiring a prostitute after the rape scene. PG Cooper made a big fuss about this scene but it breaks the action of the rape scene going into Deborah getting on the train to leave town.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 1, 2019 7:26:55 GMT -5
LOL
There’s an intermission
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Post by Neverending on Jul 1, 2019 8:06:05 GMT -5
Alright. So I guess this a good time to talk about “the plot” and PG Cooper’s hot take on the movie. So, obviously, we know Noodles was set-up. Max wanted to take the business to the next level but Noodles is a constant obstacle. This was established all the way back in the childhood scenes. So they do this whole “let’s pretend we’re robbing a bank and fake our death in the gunfire” scheme to make Noodles feel guilty and run away. On one hand, if the Old Man Noodles section are true, it follows the plot logic. On the other hand, is there an argument to make for Max NOT killing Noodles. The guy added nothing and they weren’t really friends. That’s where the Opium Dream theory gains strength. The movie isn’t really about the relationship between Noodles & Max. It’s more about Noodles, this Jewish kid from the ghetto, getting in over his head in organized crime and feeling guilty about it. The childhood scene where the boy dies adds fuel to that theory. So really, I think this movie is less about “gangster deconstruction” and more about a regretful guy in the midst of his opium fever dream.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 1, 2019 8:08:44 GMT -5
Anyway, there was another “extended scene” with Old Deborah performing Shakespeare. It’s okay, I guess.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 1, 2019 8:30:55 GMT -5
The final “extended scene” is Max & Jimmy discussing the current state of affairs. I guess this scene is “important” to fill in some gaps in the story and I guess I can see where PG Cooper is coming from with this whole story being canon instead of an opium dream. But honestly... This movie has become the Blade Runner of mafia movies. There’s so many versions of this fucking movie that I don’t know if it even matters. This is like the 4th version of this movie that I’ve watched and the only thing all four of them had in common is the childhood section. Supposedly, Leone wanted to make two movies. So the REAL Leone version is the mafia version of IT. One movie about the kids and one movie about the adults. It’s honestly the only thing that makes sense to me. If you actually break down the plot/story , it doesn’t make sense in any of the versions you watch. That’s why the Opium Dream is such a popular theory. If you watch the movie as an emotional experience, it’s great, but if you start to focus on the plot/story it’s like, “.... what?” That’s why I think the longer this movie gets the worse it is, cause all you’re doing is adding more plot/story to a movie that was supposed to be two movies. I enjoy the 2003 version, I think that’s the version I’d recommend to most people. You don’t have to watch this “extended version”. But the 90’s version with the opium ending is probably the best version of this movie.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 1, 2019 8:39:12 GMT -5
LOL
They credited Jennifer Connelly AND Jennifer Connelly’s body double, in case you had any doubts.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 1, 2019 8:40:37 GMT -5
Montreal Crew?! They shot this in Canada? Well, Happy Canada Day, PG Cooper.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 1, 2019 9:16:18 GMT -5
The latter half of the story can't be an opium fueled dream. How does Noodles know about future fashions, vehicles, and The Beatles? Beyond that though, "it was all a dream" is just a lot less interesting to me than "life is shitty so we indulge in fantasy to get through it", especially from a filmmaker defined by cinematic mythmaking.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 1, 2019 9:37:49 GMT -5
The latter half of the story can't be an opium fueled dream. How does Noodles know about future fashions, vehicles, and The Beatles? Beyond that though, "it was all a dream" is just a lot less interesting to me than "life is shitty so we indulge in fantasy to get through it", especially from a filmmaker defined by cinematic mythmaking. How does Noodles go to jail as a child in the 1900's and come out in the 1930's as a fully functional adult? He shouldn't know how to drive, how to dress fashionable, where anything is, who anybody are, etc.
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