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Post by 1godzillafan on May 30, 2019 21:07:13 GMT -5
How nice of you guys to save this review thread for me. And yet, my gut says that Neverending is making one as we speak, so I better move fast. Critics all watching this flick like this: I'm all watching this flick like this: But the thing is, all the criticism leveled toward this film is valid. It just depends on whether kaiju spectacle outweighs the desire for a narrative. To this I ask, have you ever watched a movie that has cockroach aliens trying to rule the world through an amusement park but loved it anyway because it had Godzilla fighting a giant swiss army knife monster? No? Then sit down and shut up, you joyless sons of bitches. You won't like this movie. This is a movie that feels like the action sequences were written first and the human story is a slave to setting up the action setpieces. The human drama is weak because the simplest way to do this is by catering to cliches. Plot points in this movie are familiar. We've seen these in dozens of other blockbusters and we'll see them in many more. The movie has nothing new to add, and because of that it will probably feel boring to most. The thing to me is that most people my age grew up on Star Wars, but I grew up on Godzilla. Godzilla is my Star Wars, and the big guy is my Luke Skywalker. This movie feels like it was made for people who consider the kaiju themselves the characters on a journey in the film, and not the humans that gawk at them. Since the monsters are done justice, my interest in the movies was always peaked because these are my childhood heroes and villains and they're the ones I'm invested in. Godzilla battle with Ghidorah for alpha dominance was the storyline I came for, not this bullshit about a terrorist organization unleashing the Titans. If Godzilla is nothing but a special effect to you, this is a very empty movie. You can read this as "Who watches a Godzilla movie for the humans?" if you want, though I feel it runs more heartfelt to me than that. Those who are familiar with the kaiju history and lore will find a lot to enjoy about their portrayals here. Rodan's first appearance feels very much inspired by his original movie, and that sequence is a showstopper. I loved seeing Mothra in the film, though her inclusion adds a bit of mysticism to the film that is never fully addressed. Mothra is a tricky character to portray, even when you shy away from her silly fantasy roots, and even alluding to them is a dangerous thing to do at the risk of losing the general audience. My love for the big bug gave me the feels when she was onscreen, though her inclusion is a tad half-baked. The problem with Rodan and Mothra in the film is that they are almost superfluous. They are basically underlings in the war between Godzilla and Ghidorah. Mothra is alluded to be the "Queen of the Monsters," but her role is a bit shortchanged. The monster action is pure carnage and a wonder to behold, climaxing in the final bout between Godzilla and Ghidorah. The mayhem thrilled me quite a bit, so much so that I feel I got more bang for my buck than Avengers: Endgame. My one issue is the climax to the final battle: Mothra is killed by Ghidorah in the battle and she transfers her energy to Godzilla, turning him into "Burning Godzilla" (similar to Godzilla vs. Destoroyah), who pretty much sends shockwaves toward Ghidorah to knock him down and take him out. This is very similar to the climax of 1993's Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II, which I enjoyed in that film, but feels a bit too rushed through here. It's fairly anticlimax compared to the image from the previous film of Godzilla blasting his atomic breath down the throat of the MUTO female, and just feels like a random "pulling powers out of his ass" Superman moment. Admittedly, this is not the first time Godzilla has done some superpower out of nowhere to save the day, but it feels lazy in a movie that features cutting edge effects and no rubber suits. As far as the MonsterVerse goes, King of the Monsters is probably my least favorite. As a Godzilla fan, I enjoyed it more than the 2014 film, but the 2014 film is from top to bottom the better movie, even if Godzilla himself is a borderline non-entity in it. Kong: Skull Island is still the wildly entertaining standout for me, though. On a Godzilla scale, I'd say this one sits probably in the middle of the pack for me. On recent entries, I'd say I liked it less that 2014 and Shin Godzilla, but it's miles above that garbage anime trilogy (though that's a low bar to stumble over). But overall, if you want to relate to the humans in your movie, then you stumbled into the wrong theater. I want to relate to my beasts in the movie, so I feel like I came out on top. Post Credit Notes: The dedication to Yoshimitsu Banno and Haruo Nakajima made me tear up. That's my childhood right there. (The photo featured is from the set of Godzilla vs. the Sea Monster)
As for the tail end Marvel-style tease, I'm not sure if this moment has anything to do with Godzilla vs. Kong, but if you're familiar with Godzilla lore, the first thing that comes to mind is Mecha-King Ghidorah. Is this movie series really crazy enough to go in that direction? But if they did Burning Godzilla, I'd say the answer probably is yes.
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Post by Dracula on May 30, 2019 22:35:07 GMT -5
*** out of Five
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Post by Pbar on May 30, 2019 22:41:55 GMT -5
I don't care. I loved it.
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Post by FShuttari on May 31, 2019 3:09:08 GMT -5
I tried explaining this to people when the new "Power Rangers" came out. It wasn't campy and took the kids backstory way to seriously. It took too damn long to get the rangers on screen and that point I was asleep and not caring It's the same damn reason why Godzilla 2014 sucked, by the time he finally shows up I was bored and out of the movie. How do we say we want a fun action movie where the characters and their side arcs aren't an atrocious vomit inducing aroma on the silver screen like "Transformers" but yet we want to see our beloved heroes and monsters on screen battling with big budget action??? Maybe "Godzilla King of Monsters" is key to this success... I was suppose to go tonight, but I'll wait to see it sometime this weekend Good review 1godzillafan You got me hyped
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Post by Deexan on May 31, 2019 4:58:02 GMT -5
How nice of you guys to save this review thread for me. And yet, my gut says that Neverending is making one as we speak, so I better move fast. Critics all watching this flick like this: I'm all watching this flick like this: But the thing is, all the criticism leveled toward this film is valid. It just depends on whether kaiju spectacle outweighs the desire for a narrative. To this I ask, have you ever watched a movie that has cockroach aliens trying to rule the world through an amusement park but loved it anyway because it had Godzilla fighting a giant swiss army knife monster? No? Then sit down and shut up, you joyless sons of bitches. You won't like this movie. This is a movie that feels like the action sequences were written first and the human story is a slave to setting up the action setpieces. The human drama is weak because the simplest way to do this is by catering to cliches. Plot points in this movie are familiar. We've seen these in dozens of other blockbusters and we'll see them in many more. The movie has nothing new to add, and because of that it will probably feel boring to most. The thing to me is that most people my age grew up on Star Wars, but I grew up on Godzilla. Godzilla is my Star Wars, and the big guy is my Luke Skywalker. This movie feels like it was made for people who consider the kaiju themselves the characters on a journey in the film, and not the humans that gawk at them. Since the monsters are done justice, my interest in the movies was always peaked because these are my childhood heroes and villains and they're the ones I'm invested in. Godzilla battle with Ghidorah for alpha dominance was the storyline I came for, not this bullshit about a terrorist organization unleashing the Titans. If Godzilla is nothing but a special effect to you, this is a very empty movie. You can read this as "Who watches a Godzilla movie for the humans?" if you want, though I feel it runs more heartfelt to me than that. Those who are familiar with the kaiju history and lore will find a lot to enjoy about their portrayals here. Rodan's first appearance feels very much inspired by his original movie, and that sequence is a showstopper. I loved seeing Mothra in the film, though her inclusion adds a bit of mysticism to the film that is never fully addressed. Mothra is a tricky character to portray, even when you shy away from her silly fantasy roots, and even alluding to them is a dangerous thing to do at the risk of losing the general audience. My love for the big bug gave me the feels when she was onscreen, though her inclusion is a tad half-baked. The problem with Rodan and Mothra in the film is that they are almost superfluous. They are basically underlings in the war between Godzilla and Ghidorah. Mothra is alluded to be the "Queen of the Monsters," but her role is a bit shortchanged. The monster action is pure carnage and a wonder to behold, climaxing in the final bout between Godzilla and Ghidorah. The mayhem thrilled me quite a bit, so much so that I feel I got more bang for my buck than Avengers: Endgame. My one issue is the climax to the final battle: Mothra is killed by Ghidorah in the battle and she transfers her energy to Godzilla, turning him into "Burning Godzilla" (similar to Godzilla vs. Destoroyah), who pretty much sends shockwaves toward Ghidorah to knock him down and take him out. This is very similar to the climax of 1993's Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II, which I enjoyed in that film, but feels a bit too rushed through here. It's fairly anticlimax compared to the image from the previous film of Godzilla blasting his atomic breath down the throat of the MUTO female, and just feels like a random "pulling powers out of his ass" Superman moment. Admittedly, this is not the first time Godzilla has done some superpower out of nowhere to save the day, but it feels lazy in a movie that features cutting edge effects and no rubber suits. As far as the MonsterVerse goes, King of the Monsters is probably my least favorite. As a Godzilla fan, I enjoyed it more than the 2014 film, but the 2014 film is from top to bottom the better movie, even if Godzilla himself is a borderline non-entity in it. Kong: Skull Island is still the wildly entertaining standout for me, though. On a Godzilla scale, I'd say this one sits probably in the middle of the pack for me. On recent entries, I'd say I liked it less that 2014 and Shin Godzilla, but it's miles above that garbage anime trilogy (though that's a low bar to stumble over). But overall, if you want to relate to the humans in your movie, then you stumbled into the wrong theater. I want to relate to my beasts in the movie, so I feel like I came out on top. Post Credit Notes: The dedication to Yoshimitsu Banno and Haruo Nakajima made me tear up. That's my childhood right there. (The photo featured is from the set of Godzilla vs. the Sea Monster)
As for the tail end Marvel-style tease, I'm not sure if this moment has anything to do with Godzilla vs. Kong, but if you're familiar with Godzilla lore, the first thing that comes to mind is Mecha-King Ghidorah. Is this movie series really crazy enough to go in that direction? But if they did Burning Godzilla, I'd say the answer probably is yes. Username checks out.
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Post by 1godzillafan on May 31, 2019 10:34:06 GMT -5
I get off work super early today. Should I see this movie again? Yes. I think I will.
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Post by 1godzillafan on May 31, 2019 11:39:43 GMT -5
It'll drop, but it's good to know that opening night nerds like myself really enjoyed it.
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Post by frankyt on May 31, 2019 12:10:59 GMT -5
If you go buy Kong skull island on blu at Best buy or Walmart they are giving 8 bucks on Fandango towards this movie. The total cost is 8 bucks too so could just be a free lil Kong bonus.
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Post by Doomsday on May 31, 2019 12:18:12 GMT -5
I'll take the current 42% critics score with a little more credibility.
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Post by Dracula on May 31, 2019 13:09:15 GMT -5
What's the over/under on Jet Jaguar being in the third movie?
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Post by 1godzillafan on May 31, 2019 13:15:01 GMT -5
What's the over/under on Jet Jaguar being in the third movie? YES PLEASE!
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Post by Neverending on May 31, 2019 15:19:41 GMT -5
I'll take the current 42% critics score with a little more credibility.
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Post by 1godzillafan on May 31, 2019 15:24:03 GMT -5
I'm going to watch this movie so fucking much when it hits 4K.
That's my second watch review.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Jun 1, 2019 15:36:57 GMT -5
Just finished watching this. Wow! That was amazing. That was amazingly amazing! That was so amazingly amazing that I think I'd like to steal it!
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jun 1, 2019 23:35:56 GMT -5
I'm gonna save you the waiting on this one, Neverending. I have no current plans to see this in theaters.
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Post by Neverending on Jun 2, 2019 0:01:17 GMT -5
I'm gonna save you the waiting on this one, Neverending. I have no current plans to see this in theaters.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jun 2, 2019 0:31:56 GMT -5
And from the box office numbers so far, neither do most of the people who went to see the last.
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Post by FShuttari on Jun 2, 2019 1:22:58 GMT -5
Saw the new Godzilla movie tonight... brief review: monster fights are cool... but holy shit, I don't think I can remember the last time I saw this many great actors give such poor performances in a single movie.
I think this was largely due to the absolutely awful writing. Even great actors like Vera Farmiga, Kyle Chandler, Ken Watanabe, Bradley Whitford, Millie Bobby Brown, Charles Dance, etc, could not make the terrible dialogue work. Quite disappointed.
I wasn't expecting Shakespeare, it IS a monster movie, afterall, but it could have used touch up in the screenplay and acting department.
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Post by Dracula on Jun 2, 2019 15:32:51 GMT -5
Godzilla: King of the Monsters(5/30/2019)
Me and Godzilla go way back. When I was a kid, I’m not sure what age range but probably before I was even ten, I would take every opportunity to watch the original Toho Godzilla movies when what was known at the time as The Sci-Fi Channel. I didn’t even really watch the 1954 original that much, it was mainly the many sequels from the 60s and 70s that I was watching (what I would later learn was called the Shōwa Era of the series). However, unlike other childhood obsessions like the Universal Monsters of the James Bond series I never really stuck to the Godzilla movies. Part of that is that the world was not still supplying me with new ones (it wasn’t until much later that I learned that they were still pretty regularly making these things in Japan without exporting them) and partly because, well… those movies are kind of hard to defend objectively. I watch old clips from some of them and I can pretty easily see why someone not nostalgically inclined towards them would just laugh at them, hell I do myself even if I still have some warmth for them. On some level my blinders towards the flaws in these movies even extend towards the questionable American remakes. As dumb as Roland Emmerich’s 1998 Godzilla movie is and as dull as elements of the 2014 reboot was it’s hard to complain about them with too much of a straight face once you’ve established affection for, say, a movie where Godzilla fights a robotic version of himself built by space gorillas alongside another monster brought to life by a lady singing a very long j-pop song. And it was with all this baggage that I arrived at the opening day of the sequel to that 2014 American Godzilla film: Godzilla: King of the Monsters.
This sequel is set at least five years after the evens of the 2014 Godzilla and eschews most of the cast from that movie. Here we follow the Russells, a family that was in San Francisco when Godzilla fought the two MUTOs and lost a son during that attack. Years later they’re split up. Mark Russell (Kyle Chandler) is now focused on his career as an animal behavioral expert while his ex-wife Emma Russell (Vera Farmiga) has begun working for an organization called Monarch, which studies other giant creatures called titans which have been discovered in the time since the first movie. As the film starts Russell is studying a giant larva which has just hatched and is using a device she has invented called the ORCA which is meant to communicate with these titans through subsonic frequencies. Right as she’s taming mothra her operation is attacked by a group of Eco-terrorists led by a guy named Alan Jonah (Charles Dance) who steal the ORCA and kidnap both Emma and her daughter Madison (Millie Bobby Brown). With the device lose and potentially able to wake up the wrong titans, Mark is brought in to help track the terrorists down and avert disaster.
Let’s get this out right away: this movie has a terrible script. More specifically it has terrible characters. The guy Kyle Chandler plays is just the worst kind of Hollywood “hero.” He has a murky background, his brashness is constantly rewarded by the script, and he seems to continually be allowed to be in the middle of things by authority figures despite not really having any qualifications besides the fact that he’s trying to save his daughter. His wife isn’t much better. There’s a shred of a good idea in making the villains environmentalist extremists who believe the titans should reign but the movie doesn’t develop the idea properly at all and their motivations ultimately just seem completely stupid. The dialogue isn’t much better; it mostly consists of rote exposition and while there aren’t many attempts at humor the ones they do try either fall flat or maybe elicit a small chuckle at best.
So, terrible movie, right? Well, not exactly. If there’s anything redeeming about this script it’s that the things that are bad about it are bad in a way that’s kind of generic and unobtrusive. You look at them, you know they’re bad, but they aren’t so groan-worthy that they completely distract from the rest of the action. In a way they almost in keeping with the lackluster human stories that were always there in those early Toho films and they also don’t take up nearly as much screen time as the only moderately superior human stuff from the 2014 movie. And that “rest of the action” in the movie was for the most part very strong. The main thing being added to the movie are additional kaiju including three of the most famous monsters from the franchise: Mothra, Rodan, and Ghidorah and each time one of them comes into the movie it’s an event to behold. Mothra is beautiful and has a pretty good theme behind it, while Rodan is ferocious and immediately leads the airforce on a thrilling chase sequence. Then of course there’s Ghidorah, who is a major fan favorite. Whenever this dude would show up in one of those old movies you knew you were in for a treat. He didn’t have much of a personality, but he was a really good design, you always knew when he was on screen that there were three Japanese dudes just off frame holding fishing poles to control the three heads in unison. Seeing that creature rendered on screen in 2019 with top of the line Hollywood effects is just kind of amazing and the movie makes the character properly intimidating.
So what we have with this movie is some of what I would consider very good action filmmaking that’s propping up a lousy script. I don’t think that’s an entirely bad thing; cinema isn’t literature, movies don’t entirely live and die by their writing. Of course that’s true about a lot of bad action movies, so why am I using these old “leave your brain at the door”/“They made it for the fans!” type of excuses for this one? Well, the joke response is that those other movies don’t have Ghidorah in them, but in some ways that is how I feel. I don’t think this is pure fanboyism either, I think the majesty of these kaiju and this history behind them does transcend some of the film’s more pedestrian shortcomings. Beyond that though I’d say part of it is an expectation game brought on by the early reviews. I get why those other critics were not impressed: the larger ambitions of the 2014 film combined with those trailers set to “Clair de Lune” and “Somewhere Over the Rainbow” promised something a lot more sophisticated than this and if I hadn’t been primed for lowered expectations by the film’s 39% Rotten Tomatoes score I would probably have been less inclined to focus on the positives as well. Also, I think critics today really demand silly movies like this kind of signal their intentions by telling a lot of jokes and sort of winking at the audience in ways that this movie doesn’t. I, however, am not always on board with that approach (see also my against the grain enjoyment of Man of Steel) and at this point generally find it refreshing when stupid movies take themselves very seriously. So really I get why this thing isn’t getting the strongest of reviews, it kind of deserves it, but if you’re the right kind of person there is plenty of fun to be had with it.
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Post by frankyt on Jun 3, 2019 8:00:47 GMT -5
This was trash - they replaced every bad character from the first one with worse characters in this one. I was begging for that piece of wood Ford from the first one. A flashback with Cranston. And those two were the worst parts of the first one.
There was some solid monster action. No doubt. The one scene we hadn't seen in trailers - literally only one scene that wasn't shown to us and it was the final scene of course - was awesome. But everything else was already shown to us.
Every single story line was asinine and silly.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jun 3, 2019 12:50:19 GMT -5
"Amazing" is not the word I'd use to describe that animated series (Somewhere in between "mediocre" and "fine" is the word I'd use), but whatever Godzilla media floats your boat.
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