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Post by Dracula on Oct 13, 2018 15:09:52 GMT -5
First Man(10/11/2018)Warning: Review describes some of the real-life events that could be considered spoilers for the movie.
The 1983 film The Right Stuff is considered to be a classic, one of the best films ever made about the space program and a successful adaptation of Tom Woolfe’s novel of the same name. It didn’t do great at the box office but critics loved it and it was nominated for eight Oscars and won four of them and its reputation hasn’t really diminished at all since then. There was, however, one person who was very decidedly not impressed by it and that was a guy named Walter "Wally" Schirra. Schirra was an astronaut, the ninth person in space and the only person to take part in a Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo mission. He isn’t a big part of The Right Stuff but he’s in a few scenes and is played by Lance Hendrickson. As I understand it Schirra’s issue with the movie had less to do with how he personally was portrayed and more to do with a handful of inaccuracies as well as the overall tone of the film which he described as “Animal House in space” and that everyone in the movie came off like cocky bozos. That seems like quite the exaggeration. There are certainly moments of levity in Phillip Kaufman’s movie but it’s far from a comedy and while it certainly takes its share of artistic license here and there it’s far from the most inaccurate movie that Hollywood has ever put out. Of course the space program is not just any subject; it’s a moment in history that that a lot of people was a moment of great inspiration and for some of those people even the smallest bit of irreverence would seem like anathema. I bring this up because Damien Chazelle’s new movie First Man seems to have been made to impress the Wally Schirra’s of the world, for better or worse. The film follows the life of Neil Armstrong (Ryan Gosling) from his time as an X-15 test pilot up through the moon landing and his immediate return. It spends no time on his early life or the aftermath of the historic Apollo 11 mission. Along the way we also meet his wife Janet (Claire Foy), who claims to have married him because of how “stable” he seemed in college but who becomes increasingly troubled by the risks involved in his career as an astronaut. The film also chronicles how Armstrong would come to impress his boss Deke Slayton (Kyle Chandler) over the course of various tests and training excercises as well as his ill-fated friendship with Gus Grissom (Shea Whigham), Ed White (Jason Clarke), Roger B. Chaffee (Cory Michael Smith), who would die in the Apollo 1 test disaster. First Man is divided into thirds by three centerpiece sequences: an X-15 test flight, the Gemini 8 mission, and of course the moon landing. In filming these scenes Damien Chazelle takes a somewhat unconventional approach of keeping as much of the action as possible inside of the cockpits rather than giving the audience any kind of external “money shot” of these aircrafts in action. This does have the effect of giving you an idea of just how nerve-wracking some of these missions must have been, especially in the case of the first two missions where Armstrong is almost entirely dependent on analog instruments and staticy radio communication. The film is in many ways a reminder that these space missions were being done before we’d even managed to invent the Atari 2600 and seeing what all this looked like from the perspective of these cramped tank-like cockpits gives you an idea of the courage it took to be an astronaut during this period. That said, it’s not always easy to understand what’s going on in some of these scenes and people hoping that the film will be an effects spectacle along the lines of something like Gravity will likely be disappointed at what they get. Ryan Gosling’s portrayal of Armstrong could probably be described as “understated.” The film certainly makes Armstrong into something of a “strong silent type” who never sought glory but accepted it with serious when it was bestowed upon him. In many ways the film goes with a very traditional narrative of how Armstrong accomplished what he did: he was smart, calm, collected, and extremely hard working. The film also shows how those same qualities might not have made him the world’s best husband or father. From the film he certainly feels like the prototypical stoic and distant 1950s father, perhaps even more so than most. We know that on some level he loves his kids, he certainly mourns the loss of his daughter who died in childhood of cancer, but he reacts to this by pouring himself into his work and we don’t see him so much as play catch with his sons. He also doesn’t exactly seem to be doing this because he’s passionate about space travel and yearns to land on the moon, or at least he never says so out loud, instead he seems like someone who found something he was good at and diligently went to work every day to the best of his abilities just like Horatio Alger told him to and was rewarded in kind even if he didn’t want that glory. Maybe all that is true, in fact I don’t doubt it, but it also kind of seems like the kind of company line you’d expect from a loving family member’s account as they tell stories of their amazing husband/father while adding in just enough human flaws to make it believable. If you’re looking for some juicy new take on the guy you probably aren’t going to find it here. I’m also not quite sure what I was supposed to make of Claire Foy as Armstrong’s wife. In essence she’s basically the same long-suffering housewife we’ve seen in many a biopic of great men. She seems to be somewhat ambivalent about her husband’s role in the space program and the dangers that it involves but she doesn’t really nag him to stop very much and generally spends most of her time watching the kids while Armstrong is out doing his thing. In many ways she feels like a character that should either have a lot more screen time or a lot less. If they had decided that this was going to be a movie that was all about these two people’s marriage and that they were going to really find some special new insight into her that would have been one thing but instead the movie just keeps coming back to her seemingly out of some obligation to keep giving the lead actress screen time even if she really isn’t doing anything too out of the ordinary. That is perhaps the problem with almost all the earthbound scenes in the movie, ultimately Neil Armstrong seems to have been a person who was interesting more for what he did than who he was and as a result long stretches of the movie are frankly kind of dull. There are certainly highlights that bring things back to life, and they aren’t all the space scenes necessarily, but those are the big ones and even they only go so far. Even at the end when we finally get to the moon landing that we’ve been waiting for this whole time it proves to be a bit of an anti-climax. Chazelle certainly renders the sequence well but it’s ultimately rather brief and aside from visual clarity we get a whole lot that we don’t get from the grainy old black and white images. He doesn’t even dare to get a close-up of Armstrong’s face as he says his famous “one small step for man” line. The movie just feels so reverent, technical, and humorless, the kind of thing an absolute NASA geek would make without stopping to consider if everyone else was as interested as they were. That’s why I suspect that Wally Schirras of the world would be into it, but where I stand something looser and more accessible like The Right Stuff will work better for most audiences. **1/2 out of Five
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Post by Deexan on Oct 13, 2018 15:33:25 GMT -5
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Post by Dracula on Oct 13, 2018 15:47:26 GMT -5
Went "Lie-max." Not worth it.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Oct 13, 2018 20:23:10 GMT -5
I'll post a little more soon, but for now...I absolutely loved it. Gripping, intense, unexpectedly emotional...I hate to tip my hand so early, but for now, this might just be the movie to beat for me the rest of this year.
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Post by FShuttari on Oct 14, 2018 16:44:53 GMT -5
I hear from a lot of people it's a lot like "Dunkirk" your thrown in to history with any character growth and story.
I hated that type of story telling, so I'm going to pass on this movie.
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Post by Dracula on Oct 14, 2018 16:52:03 GMT -5
I hear from a lot of people it's a lot like "Dunkirk" your thrown in to history with any character growth and story. I hated that type of story telling, so I'm going to pass on this movie. I don't know that I'd say that, the movie is a biopic, if anything there's an overabundance of character growth and story, it's just kind of a dull character imo. What there isn't is a whole lot of exposition about what's going on with every mission, which is probably where that comparison is coming from.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Oct 14, 2018 17:11:04 GMT -5
I hear from a lot of people it's a lot like "Dunkirk" your thrown in to history with any character growth and story. I hated that type of story telling, so I'm going to pass on this movie. I can say that is 100% bullshit. This is driven entirely by character, and that's why it works so well. Hell, the first ten minutes alone are heartwrenching. The space race is used as a backdrop for such an intimate character-driven story, and it's so involving, that you actually forget as you're watching it that it all turns out well. That's how great this movie is.
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Post by Jibbs on Oct 15, 2018 16:57:53 GMT -5
I really liked it.
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Post by Doomsday on Oct 15, 2018 17:43:09 GMT -5
I heard they didn't even refer to Neil Armstrong by name. Hard pass.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Oct 16, 2018 1:30:42 GMT -5
Feature film biopics have become such a norm that we're almost surprised there hasn't already been a movie made about the famous figure being portrayed. Every year we're invited to glimpse into the fictional representation of factual recounting of someone, often with mixed results. The problem I find with most biopics are the plodding nature of displaying the person's life events, where the filmmakers are trying to make uninteresting elements interesting when the moments they're actually famous for aren't being portrayed onscreen, or that they're too positively leaning toward the person, afraid to fairly attack their weaknesses in an effort to hold them to a notion of being truly larger than life, a messiah of their craft. Both are ingratiating viewing experiences, especially since a documentary or even a skim of their Wikipedia page often bear far more interesting truths that allow you to form a more concrete vision of who they were and whether their accomplishments justified the means to achieve them or not. It's almost startling to me that a biopic hadn't been made of Neil Armstrong to this point. Here we have a figure who's universally lauded for being the first man to set foot on the Moon, so not only is Armstrong ripe for appealing to a mainstream audience but the backdrop is more than enough for Hollywood to create a spectacle of. What took so long? Well after watching the film, it's probably because Armstrong really isn't a largely interesting person that would generally be awarded the honor of a fictional retelling of their life. Maybe dubbing Armstrong as uninteresting is hyperbolic; the man was a brilliant astronaut and engineer who was the first to accomplish one of humankind's greatest feats and is a poster child for American innovation. But it's also clear that distinguishing Armstrong beyond these labels probably made a lot of potential writers for a project about him wrack their brains. How do we keep Armstrong the strong but stoic figure he was, while also making his personality dramatically interesting? Well, I don't think you can, and apparently neither does director Damien Chazelle, who has taken this biopic in a different direction by focusing more on the intense technical aspects of Armstrong's accomplishments, placing the audience in the cockpit with him to organically heighten our fear at the danger this man is putting himself through and thus marveling at him, instead of his domestic life which really doesn't bear much dramatic fruit at all. It's an interesting strategy, but one that I found to largely pay off. Chazelle knows where the strength of Armstrong and his story lies and what the audience is craving, and he doesn't shy away from it. While some will undoubtedly and understandably be put off by First Man's emphasis more on how Armstrong got to the moon as opposed to who the man was, Chazelle has realized that the accomplishments of his subject aren't as interesting as the subject himself, and his decision results in a film that might not contain the emotional resonance one would want but will astound even the most seasoned filmgoers with its pragmatic, beautiful technical prowess.
The film begins with Neil Armstrong (Ryan Gosling) piloting an X-15 into the stratosphere. This scene largely sets the tone for First Man throughout where we're right in the cockpit with Armstrong and the other astronauts, experiencing their flights into the unknown. Chazelle does not elect for the typical, glamorous wide-shots of aircraft gliding against beautiful backdrops, or even a diverse range of coverage at all. Instead the composition is almost always tightly framed on the subject, with "reverses" really only being offered in the reflections of Armstrong's helmet. This is another interesting choice by Chazelle, but one that I found largely works. I find it pointless to execute a scene where we're constantly cutting away from where the action is to wides, or inside the command centers, or other stock reaction shots from nameless bit parts. Why would we cut away from the person inside a dangerous, powerful, piece of innovation hurtling towards unprecedented depths to a control center of people mildly panicking? It's never interesting, has never been and never will be. It's the same technique I applauded Ryan Coogler for executing during his boxing sequences in Creed; stay tight on the action because that's where the impact is, not in generic crowd reactions. By keeping tight on Armstrong for these spectacular sequences, we're given a far greater sense of how nerve-racking operating one of these vessels is, thus heightening both our tension and admiration for the dangerous task he's undertaking. Films about space travel are almost always romantically shot, emphasizing the escapism from our world to places still steeped in mystery and even hope. First Man shies away from this almost entirely, save for the climactic Moon landing, and I applaud Chazelle for doing so when it would have been so easy to appease everyone and show the journey of Neil Armstrong to be an ethereal one. The pragmatic approach fits the subject, something I wish more biopics would try to embody instead of heavy-handed glorifications of the person.
The plot follows Armstrong as he goes through NASA's various testing procedures and his journey with the other astronauts as they attempt to beat the Soviet Union to space, most notably Ed White (Jason Clarke) and Buzz Aldrin (Corey Stoll). These interactions aren't the most interesting, but what they're doing is, so again we have Chazelle focusing on the latter and the intense training they're embroiled in while pushing their more intimate characterizations aside. This is yet another departure from the majority of astronaut films, which certainly make it a point to show the differing personalities (the straight shooter, the hot shot, the comedian, the temper, etc.) eventually being molded together to complete their mission. Aside from Stoll's performance as Buzz Aldrin, we don't get much personality from the other astronauts. This is a bit of an issue since our protagonist in Armstrong is so emotionally passive as well. His stoicism works well if more vibrant characters are around him, bouncing dialogue off him and forcing him to come out of his shell, but aside from some stern statements from Armstrong, who constantly reminds everyone of the gravitas of their goal, little from them provokes him one way or the other. In fact, while everyone gives good performances as their docile characters, the only actor who really gets to act with vigor is Claire Foy as Janet Armstrong. At home she challenges Neil to tell the children he might not survive his trip to the Moon, stalks tight-lipped NASA officials to let her in on information, and tries to provide emotional support for fellow astronaut wives who have now become widows. She's a nice contrast to Neil's quiet demeanor, though even she is only able to pry slightly past Neil's stone-faced exterior. Their domestic issues never feel all too important though, as Neil seems like his mind is always on the Moon and nothing else matters. This could've been a pretty interesting angle to explore, the idea of a person consumed with a task at the cost of relationships with others is always good for drama, but Neil doesn't face any repercussions as a result of his absence in being a husband and father. It's too bad that Chazelle is never able to elevate the scenes where Armstrong isn't operating a craft to reach the level of drama needed to sustain the film's lengthy running time, but I wouldn't call them a wash either. There are some interesting dramatic ideas put on the table while staying true to Armstrong's character, but Chazelle doesn't give them enough emphasis dramatically to make us fully invest in caring about them.
Of course the film's climactic landing on the Moon (no spoiler warning necessary for this one) is the highlight, and it sure is gloriously worth the price of admission. While Chazelle certainly displayed a deft technical hand directing La La Land, what he manages to put on screen in First Man is mesmerizing. I don't want to lean too far into hyperbole to dub the Moon sequence 2001 or Kubrick-esque, but it's handled with such precision and yet lack of bloated Hollywood spectacle that I wouldn't scoff at the comparisons either. The sound from the picture goes out entirely, the camera in a wide shot slowly pans across the surface of the moon, a vista with the infinite blackness of space as the backdrop. We alternate between POV shots from Armstrong tentatively stepping along the surface to more wides of the Moon's surface. It never gets showy, and Chazelle even now doesn't elect to give Armstrong his glamor shot, Hollywood biopic moment at his life's pinnacle moment. This, like all of the other distinct decisions Chazelle has made, will split a lot of people, especially those that have sat through two hours of Gosling's stoic play of Armstrong yearning for his big moment to sweep even him up in the grandeur of it all. But it never comes. Armstrong is too professional, too humble, and just doing his job. For some this will all feel anticlimactic, but I can't agree. Armstrong isn't a prototype protagonist; he doesn't really change, he doesn't have any epic speeches, and his climactic moment is carried through with a pragmatic efficiency. This will frustrate viewers that want more from First Man than just to be wowed on a technical level and want insight into the mind of a man who made history and how it shaped him. And to an extent I can understand that, but that's not Chazelle's creative liberty to take either. Chazelle has made a conscious decision to not go the conventional route, to not anoint Armstrong as someone he wasn't for the sake of dramatic liturgy. This isn't a perfect film narratively or emotionally, but it's far from your standard plot beats biopic that we assuredly get thrown at countless times every year. This is a film that takes big risks but embraces them, and fortunately for Chazelle they mostly pay off. Let's not forget that this is a movie whose plot is structured around an event we already know the outcome of. And yet there's a constant tension every time Armstrong is in that cockpit. In First Man, space isn't this glorious, magical, limitless place like so many movies before it have personified it to be. It's a void that swallowed up many men before Armstrong trying to reach it. Even in his triumphant moment, Armstrong is in a fearful awe of the darkness he's enveloped in. Chazelle might not have delivered the biopic of an American hero that most will want, but he's made an extremely daring film that refuses to become another conventional afterthought, and that's worth applauding.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Oct 16, 2018 9:01:19 GMT -5
First Man is fantastic. In fact, I'm kind of surprised at just how much I ended up loving it. Damien Chazelle is three for three and rapidly proving himself to be a powerful talent behind the camera. This is an independent, intimate character study masquerading as a sprawling epic, and that's why it works as well as it does. The Space Race is used as the backdrop for this gripping exploration of Neil Armstrong, and man, is it effective. It's also fairly subversive in that this isn't exactly a "Rah, rah, America!" type of movie, nor is Armstrong portrayed as the most likable of people, but I think that lends this film an incredible amount of honesty and I applaud Chazelle for having his vision of how he wanted to tell this story and just sticking with it. Neil Armstrong is unapologetically shown as the man he purportedly was, and the film never sugarcoats anything. That's not to say this film is completely cold and calculating, cause it's not. Ryan Gosling and Claire Foy do amazing jobs of portraying Armstrong and his wife and really getting you to understand them as human beings. Armstrong himself may come off prickly, but there's actually a subtlety to Gosling's performance that lends the character a certain sense of sadness, and that makes for an even more compelling portrayal than if the film had gone a more traditional route with him. Plus, there are a number of emotional beats -- particularly one toward the very end -- that feel like gut punches; that certain payoff I just mentioned actually works a lot better than simply showing Armstrong planting the American flag and further emphasizes just what Chazelle is going for here. Plus, for a movie where you already know the ending, Damien Chazelle does a terrific job of lending this movie just enough intensity where you just forget that and get caught up in these moments through some really visceral directing techniques that do a great job of placing you in these situations.
This is easily the best biopic to come along in years.
****/****
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 16, 2018 20:33:26 GMT -5
I think I sit between Drac and Phantom on this one. I admire the craft and I think the film's central question of "was it worth it?" (which is clearly the overriding theme of Chazelle's career) provided some interesting food for thought, but I also feel they could have gone further in really probing this question. More to the point, while I felt the themes of the work satisfying to ponder, my emotional reaction to the film was pretty muted.
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Post by Pbar on Oct 17, 2018 0:17:27 GMT -5
Believe it or not, for probably the first time ever, I'm with Dracula on this. I'd go slightly above his rating because I did appreciate the technical aspects of it. But the majority felt like conflict for the sake of conflict, and I was never invested. I love the space age, and all of the history here, but this just didn't land for me. It also doesn't help that I think Damien Chazelle sucks.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Oct 17, 2018 8:47:02 GMT -5
I'm honestly surprised to hear so many "It wasn't emotional" responses, cause I thought emotion was one of the things this film was chock full of. It may not have worn its heart on its sleeve, but fuck, did it get me invested.
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 17, 2018 10:07:08 GMT -5
I'm honestly surprised to hear so many "It wasn't emotional" responses, cause I thought emotion was one of the things this film was chock full of. It may not have worn its heart on its sleeve, but fuck, did it get me invested. It's not that the actors don't bring it, it's just that I didn't really care. The funeral scene near the beginning is probably the best example. Gosling does a good job selling the scene, but I've spent so little time with him or his daughter that I don't really care.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Oct 17, 2018 10:53:59 GMT -5
I'm honestly surprised to hear so many "It wasn't emotional" responses, cause I thought emotion was one of the things this film was chock full of. It may not have worn its heart on its sleeve, but fuck, did it get me invested. It's not that the actors don't bring it, it's just that I didn't really care. The funeral scene near the beginning is probably the best example. Gosling does a good job selling the scene, but I've spent so little time with him or his daughter that I don't really care. Even if you don't care, the film still sells the shit out of that scene, but it also helps set up how Armstrong will be written/portrayed throughout the film, and when his daughter's bracelet comes back into play at the end, it's a tremendous payoff and a gut punch. And it makes that scene work even more.
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 17, 2018 11:02:49 GMT -5
It's not that the actors don't bring it, it's just that I didn't really care. The funeral scene near the beginning is probably the best example. Gosling does a good job selling the scene, but I've spent so little time with him or his daughter that I don't really care. Even if you don't care, the film still sells the shit out of that scene, but it also helps set up how Armstrong will be written/portrayed throughout the film, and when his daughter's bracelet comes back into play at the end, it's a tremendous payoff and a gut punch. And it makes that scene work even more. Which I appreciate intellectually, but I don't feel it.
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Post by Dracula on Oct 17, 2018 12:17:33 GMT -5
It's not that the actors don't bring it, it's just that I didn't really care. The funeral scene near the beginning is probably the best example. Gosling does a good job selling the scene, but I've spent so little time with him or his daughter that I don't really care. Even if you don't care, the film still sells the shit out of that scene, but it also helps set up how Armstrong will be written/portrayed throughout the film, and when his daughter's bracelet comes back into play at the end, it's a tremendous payoff and a gut punch. And it makes that scene work even more. Part of the problem there is that Armstrong seems to be just as stoic before his daughter dies as he does after, you don't really feel like this is wildly out of the ordinary for him. Like, to the point where when the bracelet comes back at the end we're like "oh yeah, that happened to him once."
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Post by PhantomKnight on Oct 17, 2018 12:36:30 GMT -5
Nah, I saw it more as he felt that he HAD to keep his emotions about his daughter inside and only really grieved privately toward the beginning because he was so driven by his desire to succeed at his job, but him planting the bracelet on the Moon was him finally really acknowledging his daughter's death and beginning to come to terms with it. To me, that was such a powerful way of showing that and I felt it was definitely the completion of an arc for him, because throughout the movie, he constantly shuts down people who try to get him to open up about it, but him just making that one simple gesture at the end speaks volumes to the fact that now he's acknowledging, "Okay, I never really dealt with this."
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Post by Dracula on Oct 17, 2018 12:45:43 GMT -5
Nah, I saw it more as he felt that he HAD to keep his emotions about his daughter inside and only really grieved privately toward the beginning because he was so driven by his desire to succeed at his job, but him planting the bracelet on the Moon was him finally really acknowledging his daughter's death and beginning to come to terms with it. To me, that was such a powerful way of showing that and I felt it was definitely the completion of an arc for him, because throughout the movie, he constantly shuts down people who try to get him to open up about it, but him just making that one simple gesture at the end speaks volumes to the fact that now he's acknowledging, "Okay, I never really dealt with this." Right, that's certainly what they were going for, but they failed to really sell that as the driving force through the preceding two hours. It mostly just felt like you were watching a movie about a quiet professional, and that just didn't really work.
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Post by donny on Oct 17, 2018 13:25:31 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm a little shocked on the reactions. Certainly the emotions are a bit muted, but I think it's there. And I guess, ultimately it comes down to the viewer if it worked or not, and for me it did. I can see why it would be hard to view Armstrong as a compelling lead because of how stoic and quiet he usually is, but I think there are a few scenes that point to the idea that there is more going on than one would think. And I also appreciate how they didn't try to make Armstrong something he wasn't. Like he wasn't made out to be some hot shot maverick type, and I think the movie followed along those lines. It had a quietness to it, but a somewhat somber and reflective tone.
And I also like some of the themes that were there with this movie, the idea of the cost it takes to chase your goal, especially when it was going to the moon. It clearly impacted his family life and I think it takes a bit of a psychological toll as well. I think those are things you can see in Chazelle's other movies.
I thought it was very well done. Technically and story wise.
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Post by Pbar on Oct 17, 2018 19:26:44 GMT -5
I don't mind, and actually like, movies where the emotions are muted (think Michael Mann*.) What I don't like are movies that are pretentious as hell, and that's exactly what Damien Chazelle is doing here (and with LA LA LAND, which I hated WAY more than this.) The difference between this and other movies that follow the "muted emotions" logic is that they are better at showing us why we should care about these people. Yes, there is a theme here of 'at what cost', but the movie is too busy trying to be cool and chic, instead of actually showing the cost.
* - Mann, by the way, I see is getting more and more ripped off as time goes on.
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donny
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Post by donny on Oct 17, 2018 19:43:02 GMT -5
That’s fair, I just don’t see it that way. I also don’t see this necessarily as pretentious. La La Land, sure I could see that, but not with this.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Oct 18, 2018 10:44:35 GMT -5
Yeah, I just obviously see this in a different, much more positive light.
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Post by frankyt on Oct 24, 2018 8:12:12 GMT -5
I'm not gonna be kind about it. This movie sucked. Was this a blumhouse production? The amount of reused shots and minimalist up close and pov style film making reminded me of a penny pincher. The style, the acting, the writing, all of it. So boring. How do you make some of the most exciting times of the human race so boring? Every single launch was just a shaky camera and tight spaces.
And what emotions were we supposed to have? Am I connected to Neil? Hell no that wooden asshole is just any other 60s white male from history, has no character and a stiff upper lip. Been done. The wife? Why? Did she and the wooden box with a gosling mask on have great chemistry? Nope. The kids? The one we met for 2 scenes? Or the little brat that stole the box off the counter and Mrs army couldn't get it back?
Should I care about these astronauts we met for maybe five minutes beforehand? The ones that die off screen or on screen? I cared for them all equally, which is to say not at all.
The wealth of film making techniques at your disposal and you choose to make a minimalist space exploration movie from the perspective of the little guys. Fuck. Remind this guy he's supposed to entertain next time you hand him a check for a movie.
5/10 - doesn't even deserve meh.
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