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Post by Jibbs on Dec 14, 2014 16:55:01 GMT -5
You CANNOT have Plan 9 over Ben-Hur on this list.  Especially when you guys excluded Batman & Robin even though many people had it on their 1997 list. So fuck you with a giant middle finger. No Batman & Robin. No Plan 9. Case Closed. Ben-Hur it is. Next year, Ian. Maybe you should sit in the corner for a round. |
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Post by Dracula on Dec 14, 2014 17:03:10 GMT -5
You CANNOT have Plan 9 over Ben-Hur on this list. I'm pretty sure this is a fight I'm not going to win, so I'm not going to fight it too hard, but to me Ben-Hur is just another expensive biblical epic. It didn't do much of anything that The Ten Commandments (which is already on the list) didn't already do. Granted, the chariot race scene is pretty iconic, but it was just an update of the same scene in the original movie and I don't know that people really remember much about the rest of the movie (I could be wrong). That's my take on it anyway. You CANNOT have Plan 9 over Ben-Hur on this list. Especially when you guys excluded Batman & Robin even though many people had it on their 1997 list. So fuck you with a giant middle finger. No Batman & Robin. No Plan 9. Case Closed. Ben-Hur it is. Next year, Ian. I seem to remember the argument for Batman and Robin being that it was a "lesson" in what not to do, not that it was an infamous cult film of the type that would later inspire entire biopics of the people who made it. Even if that was the argument though, I think Plan 9 is way more worthy of serving that function on the list than Batman and Robin (a movie most people still think is just so bad it's bad). That having been said, I'm not dead set on Plan 9 either, so if Ben Hur ends up on the list I would rather have it bump off Plan 9 than any of those other four. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 17:08:55 GMT -5
There is a surprising amount of animosity over an unofficial listing of "important films".
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Post by Neverending on Dec 14, 2014 17:27:20 GMT -5
would later inspire entire biopics of the people who made it. Our generation is not old enough to make movies about Joel Schumacher. In the meantime, we settle for this: |
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Post by PG Cooper on Dec 14, 2014 17:34:10 GMT -5
1. The 400 Blows: French New-Wave and probably the ultimate coming of age film.
2. Anatomy of a Murder: Pretty bold and daring in much of it's subject matter.
3. Some Like it Hot: Hugely iconic comedy and probably the most famous "man in drag" film.
4. Hiroshima mon amour: Another important French New Wave film that seemed to have caused quite a stir.
5. North by Northwest: Hitchcock's ultimate "wrong man" thriller and a major influence on the James Bond films. Beyond that, just a very famous movie.
Honourable mentions:
Ben-Hur: It's a very famous film, but this year is pretty tight and we already have The Ten Commandments.
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Post by Knerys on Dec 14, 2014 18:48:30 GMT -5
Ben-Hur:
It's the second highest grossing film of all time.
It won 11 Academy Awards and held that record alone until 1997.
Featured TWO major set pieces with the sea battle and the aforementioned chariot race.
Dominated the Boxoffices that year.
Boast one of the most ambitious and revered musical scores in all of cinema.
It's an example of a film crossing both religious and secular themes without alienated either side.
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Post by Dracula on Dec 14, 2014 18:54:51 GMT -5
Ben-Hur:It's the second highest grossing film of all time. It won 11 Academy Awards and held that record alone until 1997. Featured TWO major set pieces with the sea battle and the aforementioned chariot race. Dominated the Boxoffices that year. Boast one of the most ambitious and revered musical scores in all of cinema. It's an example of a film crossing both religious and secular themes without alienated either side. Where are you seeing second highest grossing? I have thirteenth highest grossing adjusted. |
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Post by Neverending on Dec 14, 2014 18:55:20 GMT -5
It's the second highest grossing film of all time. Actually... #13. Still... $795 million is nothing to look down on. It STILL holds the record. It's in a 3-way tie with Titanic and LOTR: Return of the King. Which still hold up. Yup. Not even Martin Scorsese could do that. Or Darren Aronofsky. Or Ridley Scott. |
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Post by Knerys on Dec 14, 2014 18:56:46 GMT -5
That why I said held the record alone , NE.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 14, 2014 18:57:42 GMT -5
That why I said held the record alone , NE. Ah. I missed the word. I apologize. |
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Post by Knerys on Dec 14, 2014 18:59:40 GMT -5
Ben-Hur:It's the second highest grossing film of all time. It won 11 Academy Awards and held that record alone until 1997. Featured TWO major set pieces with the sea battle and the aforementioned chariot race. Dominated the Boxoffices that year. Boast one of the most ambitious and revered musical scores in all of cinema. It's an example of a film crossing both religious and secular themes without alienated either side. Where are you seeing second highest grossing? I have thirteenth highest grossing adjusted. You're right my two source were mistaken. |
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Post by Neverending on Dec 14, 2014 19:01:30 GMT -5
It's the 2nd biggest movie of the 1950's. That's probably what you were thinking about.
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Post by Knerys on Dec 14, 2014 19:02:45 GMT -5
Yep. I might have misread what I was reading. I'm distracted by football.
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Post by Dracula on Dec 14, 2014 19:08:28 GMT -5
Yup. Not even Martin Scorsese could do that. Or Darren Aronofsky. Or Ridley Scott. It was a little easier to do in the 50s... everyone was kind of doing it. |
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Post by Neverending on Dec 14, 2014 19:13:38 GMT -5
Yup. Not even Martin Scorsese could do that. Or Darren Aronofsky. Or Ridley Scott. It was a little easier to do in the 50s... everyone was kind of doing it. I'm aware. There's literally an entire documentary about the subject. But most of those movies didn't survive the test of time. The fact that The Ten Commandments and Ben-Hur are still around speaks volumes. Let me put it this way: EVERYONE was making action movie in the 1980's, so does that mean that Lethal Weapon and Die Hard aren't important? |
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Post by Dracula on Dec 14, 2014 19:16:57 GMT -5
I'm aware. There's literally an entire documentary about the subject. But most of those movies didn't survive the test of time. The fact that The Ten Commandments and Ben-Hur are still around speaks volumes. Let me put it this way: EVERYONE was making action movie in the 1980's, so does that mean that Lethal Weapon and Die Hard aren't important? That was specifically in reference to the argument that its religious themes didn't alienate people, which was not that big of an accomplishment in 1959. |
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Post by Neverending on Dec 14, 2014 19:20:25 GMT -5
I'm aware. There's literally an entire documentary about the subject. But most of those movies didn't survive the test of time. The fact that The Ten Commandments and Ben-Hur are still around speaks volumes. Let me put it this way: EVERYONE was making action movie in the 1980's, so does that mean that Lethal Weapon and Die Hard aren't important? That was specifically in reference to the argument that its religious themes didn't alienate people, which was not that big of an accomplishment in 1959. And my response is that they still don't alienate people. The Ten Commandments is on ABC every Easter and Ben-Hur is on TCM all the time. Can you say the same about The Last Temptation of Christ? The movie has its defenders - sure - but it's not a big number. |
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Post by Dracula on Dec 14, 2014 19:26:44 GMT -5
That was specifically in reference to the argument that its religious themes didn't alienate people, which was not that big of an accomplishment in 1959. And my response is that they still don't alienate people. The Ten Commandments is on ABC every Easter and Ben-Hur is on TCM all the time. Can you say the same about The Last Temptation of Christ? The movie has its defenders - sure - but it's not a big number. What the hell else is ABC going to broadcast on Easter? Hop? And there's all kinds of weird shit that plays on TCM all the time, it's not exactly a sign. As for The Last Temptation... they aren't really comparable. Those other two movies were made to be populist entertainment and Last Temptation was made so that Scorsese could work out his spiritual struggles and Paul Schrader could work through esoteric ideas about the nature of divinity. |
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Post by Neverending on Dec 14, 2014 19:34:03 GMT -5
What the hell else is ABC going to broadcast on Easter? Ask CBS, NBC and Fox. Yeah, but those random movies usually air at like 8am when everyone over 65 is out of the house. Ben-Hur is primetime. Especially now that Oscar season is around the corner. Make no mistake. Martin Scorsese has always been mainstream friendly. That's why he's still around and every other 70's filmmaker not named Steven Spielberg are either gone or struggling to get movies made. Scorsese has neve been arrogant enough to make movies that other people couldn't enjoy, regardless of how personal they are. Except for Kundun. I don't know what the fuck happened there. |
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Post by Jibbs on Dec 14, 2014 22:49:48 GMT -5
Some Like it Hot
Ben-Hur
The 400 Blows
Plan 9 From Outer Space
North by Northwest
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Post by IanTheCool on Dec 14, 2014 23:45:10 GMT -5
Some Like it Hot Ben-Hur The 400 Blows Plan 9 From Outer Space North by Northwest I concur. |
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Post by PG Cooper on Dec 15, 2014 1:23:00 GMT -5
No Anatomy of a Murder seems a pretty big oversight. I can sort of see losing Hiroshima Mon Amour since we already have The 400 Blows representing French New Wave, but Anatomy shouldn't be left off.
I could get behind Jibbs' list if Plan 9 was replaced by Anatomy of a Murder.
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Post by sabin26 on Dec 15, 2014 1:28:33 GMT -5
Some Like It Hot
Ben-Hur
North By Northwest
Sleeping Beauty
Rio Bravo
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Post by Deexan on Dec 15, 2014 5:21:53 GMT -5
Sleeping Beauty
Ben-Hur
The 400 Blows
Anatomy of a Murder
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Post by Fiverrabbit2014 on Dec 15, 2014 7:38:46 GMT -5
Sleeping Beauty
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