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Post by IanTheCool on Aug 6, 2020 15:20:03 GMT -5
Cool?
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Aug 6, 2020 16:38:55 GMT -5
I'm a big fan of Dogtooth, but isn't it 2009?
If we're going with the whole festival vs. general release argument though then fine by me it's counted for 2010. I mean, for fuck sake Alice in Wonderland needs to fuck off.
I really like the work of Lanthimos, and yet I still think Dogtooth is his best work. And his style of only using a 50mm and handheld plus natural lighting was very interesting. It's like he made a better Dogme95 without any of Von Trier's frustrating storytelling.
I'm for Dogtooth. I don't think it's any more or less important than the other options but it's the best movie of the bunch.
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Post by Dracula on Aug 6, 2020 16:41:14 GMT -5
Yeah, I just generally view Lanthimos as one of the important auteurs of the era and Dogtooth as one of the strongest pieces of world cinema of this decade. I also do think there's some increasingly politically relevant overtones to it as people kind of isolate themselves in their own information bubbles.
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Post by IanTheCool on Aug 6, 2020 16:41:44 GMT -5
Anyone wanna speak against it or propose (seriously propose) an alternative?
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Post by Neverending on Aug 6, 2020 16:59:36 GMT -5
Anyone wanna speak against it or propose (seriously propose) an alternative? A movie can't be "important" if only film snobs are aware of its existence. |
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Post by PG Cooper on Aug 6, 2020 17:34:41 GMT -5
What's the argument for Dogtooth? That it's awesome. It brought Yorgos Lanthimos to the filmmaking discourse and its critique of dictatorships and control of information strikes a chord in a decade where fascism rose globally. |
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Post by Neverending on Aug 6, 2020 17:39:06 GMT -5
It brought Yorgos Lanthimos to the filmmaking discourse and its critique of dictatorships and control of information strikes a chord in a decade where fascism rose globally. Name 25 people you know that have seen the movie. And no, your students who your forced to watch the movie, do not count. |
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Post by Dracula on Aug 6, 2020 17:42:49 GMT -5
It brought Yorgos Lanthimos to the filmmaking discourse and its critique of dictatorships and control of information strikes a chord in a decade where fascism rose globally. Name 25 people you know that have seen the movie. And no, your students who your forced to watch the movie, do not count. I can do that Linda Mccormack Mac Driscoll Desiree Dean Samantha Sandoval Laibah Butt Theon Esparza Susanna Herbert Abubakr Cummings Seth Mcdaniel Rosemarie Fernandez Lara Holden Joanna Kerr Julian Mcculloch Zane Schaefer Ronaldo Lin Josiah Drew Mari Montes Aden Finch Jonah Doyle Nathaniel Cano Bella-Rose Greig Gwion Summers Rudra Mason Shawn Hudson Shantelle Merrill Feel free to contact any of them to verify Put it on the list |
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Post by Neverending on Aug 6, 2020 18:07:03 GMT -5
I can do that Feel free to contact any of them to verify While we verify your 25 imaginary friends, let's put it into another context. Letterboxd lists Dogtooth as 2009, not 2010. The most well-reviewed movie of 2009 is Inglorious Basterds which 644,232 members have watched and 249,965 of those people liked the movie. Dogtooth was watched by 91,809 members. 25,202 of them liked the movie. We're talking about a difference of 552,423 viewers and 224,763 likes. That's a difference of over half-a-million views and almost a quarter of a million likes. So, please, tell me how Dogtooth is "important" when you can't even get half-a-million people who watched Inglorious Basterds on Letterboxd to watch the movie. |
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Post by Dracula on Aug 6, 2020 18:16:27 GMT -5
I can do that Feel free to contact any of them to verify Letterboxd lists Dogtooth as 2009, not 2010. The most well-reviewed movie of 2009 is Inglorious Basterds which 644,232 members have watched and 249,965 of those people liked the movie. Dogtooth was watched by 91,809 members. 25,202 of them liked the movie. We're talking about a difference of 552,423 viewers and 224,763 likes. That's a difference of over half-a-million views and almost a quarter of a million likes. So, please, tell me how Dogtooth is "important" when you can't even get half-a-million people who watched Inglorious Basterds on Letterboxd to watch the movie. If we were putting a hard popularity cap on the movies for this list it would look a lot different. 4 Months, 3 Weeks, and 2 Days is on our 2007 list, that only has 24,000 Letterboxd viewers, Dogtooth is a veritable blockbuster compared to that. |
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Post by Neverending on Aug 6, 2020 18:37:38 GMT -5
If we were putting a hard popularity cap on the movies for this list it would look a lot different. 4 Months, 3 Weeks, and 2 Days is on our 2007 list, that only has 24,000 Letterboxd viewers, Dogtooth is a veritable blockbuster compared to that. For a movie to be important, it needs to be influential, and a movie is influential if people actually watch it. I didn't whip out IMDb for you. This is Letterboxd. Fuck it. Let's look at IMDb. Which also lists Dogtooth as 2009. 78,873 people. Even less than Letterboxd. Inglorious Basterds has 1.2 million. MILLION. I rest my case. |
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Post by Dracula on Aug 6, 2020 19:05:15 GMT -5
If we were putting a hard popularity cap on the movies for this list it would look a lot different. 4 Months, 3 Weeks, and 2 Days is on our 2007 list, that only has 24,000 Letterboxd viewers, Dogtooth is a veritable blockbuster compared to that. For a movie to be important, it needs to be influential, and a movie is influential if people actually watch it. I didn't whip out IMDb for you. This is Letterboxd. Fuck it. Let's look at IMDb. Which also lists Dogtooth as 2009. 78,873 people. Even less than Letterboxd. Inglorious Basterds has 1.2 million. MILLION. I rest my case. Nah man, a movies become influential because filmmakers see them and are then influenced by them when they go out and make movies. The films of the French New Wave weren't necessarily cleaning up and the American box office but they shaped a whole generation of filmmakers and were thus made important whether general audiences knew it or not. For example: theplaylist.net/m-night-shyamalan-explains-dogtooth-influenced-split-20170118/ |
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Post by 1godzillafan on Aug 6, 2020 19:11:42 GMT -5
In that case, Uwe Boll is the most inspirational filmmaker of our generation, as aspiring filmmakers saw his movies and thought "I can do better than this assclown."
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Post by Neverending on Aug 6, 2020 19:15:38 GMT -5
The films of the French New Wave weren't necessarily cleaning up and the American box office but they shaped a whole generation of filmmakers and were thus made important whether general audiences knew it or not. But you can actually see the influence. 1) If M. Night Shyamalan is the best you can do, then you don't have much of an argument. 2) I was the only one here who went to bat for Split in 2017. You and PG Cooper and SnoBorderZero shit on it. So don't come with "muh dogtooth" now. |
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Aug 6, 2020 19:19:38 GMT -5
Ew, Split.
But have you watched his documentary that proves he's the most pompous piece of shit in Hollywood? It's hilarious and actually a very entertaining watch.
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Post by Neverending on Aug 6, 2020 19:25:30 GMT -5
Hey, man. Without Dogtooth there'd be no Split. Show your respect. Back in the old CS! we live-chat that show. I remember everyone, myself including, roasting it. Fun night. |
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Aug 6, 2020 19:27:44 GMT -5
I guess I shouldn't be surprised you've seen it. I heard about it on a podcast and wow is it hilarious.
The fact he came up with this concept makes it so cringe. That teenagers hang out in front of his house because they're just the biggest M. Night fans. That they participate in online chat rooms gushing over him and quizzing each other on him. That he's dead serious about potentially having mystic powers and storms out of the interview when they ask him about it. The random Johnny Depp cameo.
It is very, very much worth watching. My stomach hurt from laughing so much.
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Post by Neverending on Aug 6, 2020 19:42:06 GMT -5
I guess I shouldn't be surprised you've seen it. I heard about it on a podcast and wow is it hilarious. The fact he came up with this concept makes it so cringe. That teenagers hang out in front of his house because they're just the biggest M. Night fans. That they participate in online chat rooms gushing over him and quizzing each other on him. That he's dead serious about potentially having mystic powers and storms out of the interview when they ask him about it. The random Johnny Depp cameo. It is very, very much worth watching. My stomach hurt from laughing so much. It was released at the peak of his fame. I wanna say after Signs but before the Village. And it was very much a foreshadowing for what a joke he was about to become. |
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Post by 1godzillafan on Aug 6, 2020 19:46:54 GMT -5
I tried to warn people, but nobody would listen to me.
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Post by Neverending on Aug 6, 2020 19:49:44 GMT -5
I tried to warn people, but nobody would listen to me. I wasn't a fan either. Signs is arguably the dumbest movie to ever become popular. |
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Aug 6, 2020 20:18:54 GMT -5
It was released at the peak of his fame. I wanna say after Signs but before the Village. And it was very much a foreshadowing for what a joke he was about to become. Yup, he's filming The Village during this because he takes a "break" from filming for the interview where they ask about his mystical powers and he freaks out and leaves in the most conspicuous way imaginable. Like, if you actually had powers and someone asked you, wouldn't you just laugh it off or something? Why would you act so awkwardly? "Oh, it must be true. Otherwise he wouldn't have gotten mad like that." The other part that was hilarious was all the former "classmates" who when they ask about M. Night they're all like "oh he was so talented. And so hot!" Or the guy who's like "he was always stealing my girlfriends. He was a ladies' man!" That's probably the least believable element of the whole charade. |
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Post by Neverending on Aug 6, 2020 20:33:58 GMT -5
It was released at the peak of his fame. I wanna say after Signs but before the Village. And it was very much a foreshadowing for what a joke he was about to become. Yup, he's filming The Village during this because he takes a "break" from filming for the interview where they ask about his mystical powers and he freaks out and leaves in the most conspicuous way imaginable. Like, if you actually had powers and someone asked you, wouldn't you just laugh it off or something? Why would you act so awkwardly? "Oh, it must be true. Otherwise he wouldn't have gotten mad like that." The other part that was hilarious was all the former "classmates" who when they ask about M. Night they're all like "oh he was so talented. And so hot!" Or the guy who's like "he was always stealing my girlfriends. He was a ladies' man!" That's probably the least believable element of the whole charade. I gotta watch this again. |
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Aug 6, 2020 21:51:16 GMT -5
Neverending there's also this part where the film crew gets a pizza delivered to their hotel room, and the pizza guy of course "knows" M. Night and gushes about what a mysterious celebrity of Philadelphia he is. Later M. Night takes the crew out for cheesesteaks to show he's a "regular guy like everyone else" in this really cringe, staged sequence where the cheesesteak people don't know who he is but a producer off camera tells them and they're like "Oh! M. Night!" Hahahaha. M. Night, what a piece of shit. So in conclusion, Dogtooth.
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Post by thebtskink on Aug 6, 2020 21:53:54 GMT -5
In that case: Social Network - film critics seem to largely have this as one of the best movies of the decade. Who am I to judge them? Inception - Best action film Fury Road. Well loved. Black Swan - Artistic achievement, great mindfuck of a movie Tron: Legacy - The PG Cooper generation is in love with this movie and Scott Pilgrim, except this movie is actually good. Banging soundtrack, too. The Human Centipede (First Sequence) - This is where i'm guaging the room. Either I get Zilla and Neverending behind me on this one or Jackass 3D. Toy Story can GTFO. Replace my Human Centipede vote with Dogtooth |
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