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Post by FShuttari on May 13, 2019 7:51:55 GMT -5
I'm sorry but but even Anakin Skywalker's transformation was more believable. If you sit and think about it. This literally happened where she went crazy in a mere days... Just forgot about freeing people from tyranny and slavery. Bitch Cersi is right in that tower with the fucking Mountain hanging out... Heading to the red keep. Why the fuck are you killing people who are just trying to make it by living wage, and kids playing. You literally forgot about who you should be targeting. The WHOLE TIME I WAS JUST THINKING GO KILL CERSI WHY ARE YOU KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE? FUCK THIS SEASON UP THE ASS.
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Post by frankyt on May 13, 2019 8:07:19 GMT -5
I don't get why it was just some rubble that crushed cersei. I mean I remember the prophecy... Something about crumbling buildings will crush you was it?
I don't understand why they didn't just go through it all and finish it off as it was meant to be.
I liked the ending between the hound and Arya at least. I can say that. Didn't love the ending of the cleganebowl, wanted more of a win for the good guys as it were but they were destined to kill each other.
I still find it very weird that everyone from up North is jusy gone now. Never to be heard from again. Maybe we will get some B's wrap up but I'm still intrigued how it will all go down. I'll be there next week too.
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Post by donny on May 13, 2019 8:50:23 GMT -5
I liked the ruthlessness of it. In that regard, it felt like earlier seasons, where it was carnage, and it felt like anyone can go at any moment. I know there is some criticism towards Dany's mad queen arc feeling very rushed, which I can agree with, but I always felt she was someone teetering on the edge, and I also feel like that's one of the big themes of the show. The idea that, regardless of who is in power, it will corrupt, and despite what that ruler may say, they are going to do whatever it takes to achieve what they want.
Thrones always operates best in the grey area, and with her actions last night, it was intense. With that one action, she has basically done one of, if not the worst things on the show, and I like they went there. It was inevitable, and yes maybe even a little rushed, but once she started burning, it didn't let up.
Not loving the whole Jamie/Cersei ending though. So much for that prophecy.
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Post by FShuttari on May 13, 2019 8:56:46 GMT -5
Why did Arya walk all the way into the tower feets away from Cersi, to go "Nahh not worth it" Seriously while the moutain is fighting the Hound, stab her... Or you know Have jaimie who has grown the last 7 season of being a good person. Have him kill Cersi with Arya helping...
Jaimie Was just like Nah.. Fuck it I want to save Cersi... Forget everything that I've done so I can go back to being the same damn chraracter from season one...NONE OF THIS MAKES ANY DAMN SENSE!!
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Post by Dracula on May 13, 2019 10:29:50 GMT -5
Why did Arya walk all the way into the tower feets away from Cersi, to go "Nahh not worth it" Seriously while the moutain is fighting the Hound, stab her... Or you know Have jaimie who has grown the last 7 season of being a good person. Have him kill Cersi with Arya helping... Jaimie Was just like Nah.. Fuck it I want to save Cersi... Forget everything that I've done so I can go back to being the same damn chraracter from season one...NONE OF THIS MAKES ANY DAMN SENSE!! Arya's ultimate motivation to kill Cersi was to end the war before it began and prevent the bloodshed. Mission failed. Bloodshed's already happening and one way or another Cersi is doomed. Any further attempts to kill her would have served no purpose other than pure revenge and The Hound's pep talk had already dissuaded her from that. Ditto Jamie. His ultimate goal in sneaking into the city was to talk Cersi down, having failed at that he tried escaping with his life but got mortally wounded by Euron. As such the only logical thing to do with the remaining moments of life was go back to Cersi and see what happens. They both had logical-ish plans, they just didn't work out as expected.
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Post by FShuttari on May 13, 2019 10:35:37 GMT -5
Why did Arya walk all the way into the tower feets away from Cersi, to go "Nahh not worth it" Seriously while the moutain is fighting the Hound, stab her... Or you know Have jaimie who has grown the last 7 season of being a good person. Have him kill Cersi with Arya helping... Jaimie Was just like Nah.. Fuck it I want to save Cersi... Forget everything that I've done so I can go back to being the same damn chraracter from season one...NONE OF THIS MAKES ANY DAMN SENSE!! Arya's ultimate motivation to kill Cersi was to end the war before it began and prevent the bloodshed. Mission failed. Bloodshed's already happening and one way or another Cersi is doomed. Any further attempts to kill her would have served no purpose other than pure revenge and The Hound's pep talk had already dissuaded her from that. Ditto Jamie. His ultimate goal in sneaking into the city was to talk Cersi down, having failed at that he tried escaping with his life but got mortally wounded by Euron. As such the only logical thing to do with the remaining moments of life was go back to Cersi and see what happens. They both had logical-ish plans, they just didn't work out as expected. Meaning basically everyone was blind sided by Danyrus and her dragon rage on the entire city... Well... at least Varys died knowing he was right 🤷🏾♂️ GG Lord Varys
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Post by Dracula on May 13, 2019 10:39:32 GMT -5
I'm sorry but but even Anakin Skywalker's transformation was more believable. If you sit and think about it. This literally happened where she went crazy in a mere days... Just forgot about freeing people from tyranny and slavery. Bitch Cersi is right in that tower with the fucking Mountain hanging out... Heading to the red keep. Why the fuck are you killing people who are just trying to make it by living wage, and kids playing. You literally forgot about who you should be targeting. The WHOLE TIME I WAS JUST THINKING GO KILL CERSI WHY ARE YOU KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE? FUCK THIS SEASON UP THE ASS. It's all there in her last conversation with Jon where she invokes what we know as the Machiavellian rule of monarchy: that a prince must either be loved or feared. Dany finally realizes she's never going to be greeted as a liberator in Westeros and that her one hope of leveraging Jons popularity to prop her up was dead all that she had left to really prop up her future dynasty was to demonstrate that she had a WMD, that she was willing to use it, and that resistance was futile.
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Post by FShuttari on May 13, 2019 10:46:07 GMT -5
I'm sorry but but even Anakin Skywalker's transformation was more believable. If you sit and think about it. This literally happened where she went crazy in a mere days... Just forgot about freeing people from tyranny and slavery. Bitch Cersi is right in that tower with the fucking Mountain hanging out... Heading to the red keep. Why the fuck are you killing people who are just trying to make it by living wage, and kids playing. You literally forgot about who you should be targeting. The WHOLE TIME I WAS JUST THINKING GO KILL CERSI WHY ARE YOU KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE? FUCK THIS SEASON UP THE ASS. It's all there in her last conversation with Jon where she invokes what we know as the Machiavellian rule of monarchy: that a prince must either be loved or feared. Dany finally realizes she's never going to be greeted as a liberator in Westeros and that her one hope of leveraging Jons popularity to prop her up was dead all that she had left to really prop up her future dynasty was to demonstrate that she had a WMD, that she was willing to use it, and that resistance was futile. Except now she’s the MAD QUEEN and everyone from Tyrion to Jon Snow will turn on her... so I have no idea how this will play out in the end. I hope it’s either Arya sneaking up and killing her or she orders The Drogon to burn Jon Snow and he walks out of the fire alive and Drogon sides with Jon at the end?
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Post by Dracula on May 13, 2019 11:20:34 GMT -5
It's all there in her last conversation with Jon where she invokes what we know as the Machiavellian rule of monarchy: that a prince must either be loved or feared. Dany finally realizes she's never going to be greeted as a liberator in Westeros and that her one hope of leveraging Jons popularity to prop her up was dead all that she had left to really prop up her future dynasty was to demonstrate that she had a WMD, that she was willing to use it, and that resistance was futile. Except now she’s the MAD QUEEN and everyone from Tyrion to Jon Snow will turn on her... so I have no idea how this will play out in the end. I hope it’s either Arya sneaking up and killing her or she orders The Drogon to burn Jon Snow and he walks out of the fire alive and Drogon sides with Jon at the end? Presumably she's going to pump the brakes after the battle and tell everyone that she's only going to be "mad" to the people who are against her, resulting in most people bending the knee immediately. I doubt she sees Tyrian as much of a threat and she probably plans to have Jon killed to snuff out his claim to the throne. From there she just needs to take her chances with Arrya.
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Post by Fanible on May 13, 2019 12:20:25 GMT -5
I'm sorry but but even Anakin Skywalker's transformation was more believable. If you sit and think about it. This literally happened where she went crazy in a mere days... Just forgot about freeing people from tyranny and slavery. Bitch Cersi is right in that tower with the fucking Mountain hanging out... Heading to the red keep. Why the fuck are you killing people who are just trying to make it by living wage, and kids playing. You literally forgot about who you should be targeting. The WHOLE TIME I WAS JUST THINKING GO KILL CERSI WHY ARE YOU KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE? FUCK THIS SEASON UP THE ASS. It's all there in her last conversation with Jon where she invokes what we know as the Machiavellian rule of monarchy: that a prince must either be loved or feared. Dany finally realizes she's never going to be greeted as a liberator in Westeros and that her one hope of leveraging Jons popularity to prop her up was dead all that she had left to really prop up her future dynasty was to demonstrate that she had a WMD, that she was willing to use it, and that resistance was futile. Yeah... so like he said, in just mere days she went mad. This was an opportunity to show mercy and gain love/respect in addition to fear, so I don't buy the logic train. She should have been smarter, but even if she was going to be stupid, there was ways to show her having gone stupid/mad without going full on RETARD-stupid/mad. I'm more annoyed if George RR Martin told them that this is where she ends up, and they didn't build her up to this point until this season, over maybe the last couple episodes at most. If you're going to have her flip, build up to it over the last season at least. She hasn't been totally seeking power from the get go or anything. It's not like we saw her rush back to take the iron throne. She even stayed behind longer to try to make sure cities she helped liberate remained slaveless. They built her up as someone wanting to do good, more than just simply claiming her birthright. Which of course is fine. That's good. It makes her fall all the more tragic. I just wish they dealt with it a little more than simply burning a couple guys who wouldn't bend the knee. Even this sudden jump could have been done better, though. I figured as soon as the soldiers laid down their swords she was going to torch them all (and as a result maybe some innocents on the sidelines). That alone would make people doubt her. She didn't have to burn the entire city down with every single person in it. It just felt forced and unbelievable. I'm honestly not caring for the season at all. That was just one issue I had with the episode, but there were plenty of others that I found myself rolling my eyes at. The Jamie fight, the Cleganebowl, them lining up while they wait for possible surrender(?), and Cercei's demise. No idea how it's going to recover in the final episode. This has felt heavily like GOT fan fiction more than actual Game of Thrones.
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Post by FShuttari on May 13, 2019 12:24:50 GMT -5
Because it is GoT fan-faction, unless someone can tell us otherwise George RR Martin is not involved in the writing and plot points in these last 2 seasons?
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Post by Fanible on May 13, 2019 12:29:37 GMT -5
Because it is GoT fan-faction, unless someone can tell us otherwise George RR Martin is not involved in the writing and plot points in these last 2 seasons? He's not. I mean, obviously they don't have the books anymore, but he at least helped on previous seasons. He stopped helping on the show altogether for some reason. But at the very least, supposedly all the final takes on the characters, where they end up and how they are, are supposed to have been told to them long ago. Just how they're getting to those takes is written fresh from D&D.
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Post by Virus on May 13, 2019 18:24:56 GMT -5
Because it is GoT fan-faction, unless someone can tell us otherwise George RR Martin is not involved in the writing and plot points in these last 2 seasons? He's not. I mean, obviously they don't have the books anymore, but he at least helped on previous seasons. He stopped helping on the show altogether for some reason. But at the very least, supposedly all the final takes on the characters, where they end up and how they are, are supposed to have been told to them long ago. Just how they're getting to those takes is written fresh from D&D. I’ve heard it’s so he can focus on the books, but those obviously aren’t getting made anytime soon, so....
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Post by frankyt on May 13, 2019 18:27:07 GMT -5
Actor playing barriston selmy says he has an agreement with d&d not to release the books until the shows done and he's got 6 and 7 ready to roll.
Again this is complete conjecture and just the words of a long dead maester but... Shit. Would be fucking cool if it was true.
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Post by Virus on May 13, 2019 18:58:46 GMT -5
Yeah, I’m not sure why only he would know that either.
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Post by IanTheCool on May 13, 2019 19:31:03 GMT -5
Because it is GoT fan-faction, unless someone can tell us otherwise George RR Martin is not involved in the writing and plot points in these last 2 seasons? He's not. I mean, obviously they don't have the books anymore, but he at least helped on previous seasons. He stopped helping on the show altogether for some reason. But at the very least, supposedly all the final takes on the characters, where they end up and how they are, are supposed to have been told to them long ago. Just how they're getting to those takes is written fresh from D&D. I'm not even sure they're working with that much.
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Post by Doomsday on May 13, 2019 19:40:31 GMT -5
But where are the boobs?
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Post by Neverending on May 13, 2019 20:01:27 GMT -5
Is Maisie Williams really gonna be the last nudity on the show? Crazy.
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Post by FShuttari on May 13, 2019 20:02:59 GMT -5
I hope Danyrus becomes MAD QUEEN by trying to fight everyone naked
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Post by Deexan on May 14, 2019 6:03:00 GMT -5
GRRM's response to this essay was, "This guy gets it." Also, Dany has always had her worse impulses checked by her advisors/friends, the last two of whom have made bad decision after bad decision and openly sought to oust her. In the last few weeks she's seen two of her children and her two best friends murdered right before her eyes. Madness isn't always a drawn out affair. Sometimes it's just the flip of a switch. My source for this is Me, Myself and Irene.
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Post by frankyt on May 14, 2019 9:49:43 GMT -5
Exactly what a guy caught red handed would say! #onceamaesteralwaysamaester
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