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Post by Wyldstaar on Jul 12, 2017 17:57:24 GMT -5
I don't think you get it Fanible, the red colors were like Spider-Man's, you see? But what was the extra large font supposed to represent?
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Post by Fanible on Jul 12, 2017 19:32:56 GMT -5
Where was the blue then, huh!?
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Post by daniel on Jul 12, 2017 23:48:06 GMT -5
Zendaya's character was annoying and smug as fuck in the movie - that whole low-energy, almost-mumbling, i'm-too-good-for-this tripe sucks, and I think her character is super unlikable unless you'e an edge-lord teenager. If they are going in the direction the ending seemed to allude to, there's going to be a lot of eye-rolling from me. Diversity is fine, make new characters - stop changing iconic characters for no good reason other than to appear noble and virtuous.
Besides Hollywood, an industry rife with pedophilia and classism (rich people constantly saying "think of the poor people" while clutching their gold statues), preaching at me about what's patriotic and what isn't, this movie was pretty alright. I liked the character of Vulture immensely. I like that Peter had a tough time tangling with the villains and that Vulture was more or less called in (like a boss in a video game) at different times to deal with shit when it got hairy.
My other hangups: too many Tony Stark interruptions, adults telling a teenager [his aunt is hot] got old/creepy the first time someone said it, and I found the movie a bit slow at parts, especially the first 1/3.
6/10 - above average
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Post by RedVader on Jul 12, 2017 23:51:28 GMT -5
Im just gonna delete the review and not do a new one. I always use a slightly large font when i do a movie review then my normal post font. Seems like the Bible uses a red font when Jesus is talking and if red is good enough for Jesus then its good enough for Spiderman review font
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jul 13, 2017 0:19:14 GMT -5
Way back in 2002, Sam Raimi released Spider-Man. It was a massively successful film, and while it didn't exactly start the wild rise of comic book adaptations that we've found ourselves in for over a decade, there's no denying that it had a major impact on paving the landscape for several films to follow. It's been awhile since I've seen it and Raimi's follow up Spider-Man 2, but I still hold both of them in high regard, which is why I was surprised to see that both films hold a mediocre 7.3 average rating on IMDB. In an era of Marvel films that are constantly paying homage to one another and where crossovers are almost expected, those films still shine as stand-alone entries that made the scale of Peter Parker's conflicts feel large without resorting to aliens destroying New York or missiles being launched at the city or whatever else bombastic plot element can be thought up. The Amazing Spider-Man films came and went with little fanfare, and thus a third crack at the franchise was taken on in a coproduction between Sony and Marvel. I'm pleased to say that I was very impressed and highly entertained by this latest entry, though my bias for loving Spider-Man as a character above all other comic book archetypes probably shows here once again. I suppose for some the Raimi films were too brooding or not fun enough, though I disagree with both of those assertions, and The Amazing Spider-Man films were just bogged down by terrible villains and lackluster retreads of plot points we saw done much better by Raimi. So enter Spider-Man: Homecoming which is likely to appeal to just about everyone; it's loaded with sharp humor, has big action set pieces, has Michael Keaton playing the villain, and makes Spider-Man younger and actually believably in high school by having him played by Tom Holland, who reprises the titular role that he debuted with in last year's Captain America: Civil War. It's a crowdpleaser in the best of ways, and while I still prefer the first two Raimi films to this newest entry, there's a lot to enjoy from this reboot.
One of Spider-Man: Homecoming's best elements is that is completely eschews the origin story in favor of placing us right into Spider-Man as a superhero who instead of grappling with his newfound abilities is struggling to be accepted as a legitimate hero by Tony Stark and the Avengers and finds himself being comically resorted to as an errand boy in New York. He's bored and a bit immature though his heart is in the right place, and right away it becomes clear that is far and away the most breezy fun that the character has basked in on the big screen. At school, Peter is the brilliant and dorky teen that we've come to know, harboring a crush and attempting to fit in while keeping his secret intact. It's not exactly groundbreaking material for the character, but the screenwriters (and there is a lot of them for the film) have utilized the high school setting unlike the past incarnations to make it a silly yet believable environment. This is the first film that truly feels like Parker's social life at school is more than a bully and a love interest, and it works to great effect. A lot of the humor is quite sharp, and Holland pulls all of its sly jokes with his infectious charm and believable awkwardness. While the other films seem to want to rush through high school, Homecoming is firmly rooted there and its scenes entertain almost as much as Spider-Man's more serious escapades.
While Homecoming operates on its own terms and distances itself somewhat from the larger Marvel universe, the presence of Robert Downey, Jr. as Tony Stark adds a lot to the film. Iron Man never overshadows anything, but he does serve as a constant reminder that Spider-Man is in over his head and even with his powers and the benefit of Stark's technologically advanced suit isn't ready mentally to take on the bigger challenges that the grown ups are handling. He's a snarky father figure for Peter, and while he doesn't serve up the endearing tone of Uncle Ben and Aunt May from Raimi's films, Stark offers plenty of humorous and heartfelt guidance that additionally serve among the highlights of the film. Also lending some major acting credibility to the film is Michael Keaton as The Vulture who is stealing alien weapons and selling them on the black market. The Vulture is a worthy adversary for Spider-Man, but everything about his plans still feel scaled to the scope of the film, and it's refreshing to watch a comic book film where the villain's ultimate goal isn't the total destruction of society and is mainly just looking to make some extra cash. The film also serves up a midpoint twist that certainly caught me off guard, and while the film is certainly a breezy one that aims to please, the plot and dialogue have more going for it than people might give it credit for.
The film also, as one would expect, boasts some pretty cool action pieces, though I'd say the film doesn't quite contain the magnitude of the first two Raimi films in terms of this. The Staten Island Ferry scene is sort of similar to the subway scene in Spider-Man 2, and the climax is fun and benefits from the larger scope of the Marvel universe but I don't think it carried the personal weight of Spider-Man's showdown with Norman Osborne from the first film. Also despite all the praise I've given to the film for its vibrant script and fast flowing fun, I'm going to again have to defer to the first two Raimi films in terms of sheer spectacle moments. While there's a lot of good here overall, I can't really think of what the film's real signature, standout moments are. In Spider-Man we have the iconic shot of Peter and Mary Jane kissing in the rain, or Uncle Ben's great responsibility speech, etc. Raimi is the best filmmaker far and away to tackle these films, and he knew when to play the film's thematic elements to their full effects even if it ended up being very theatrical (though it's a comic book film so I think that's far from the least believable elements of these movies anyways). You could really feel the weight of the world and Peter Parker's emotional turmoil in his relationships in those films, while in Homecoming there's far more emphasis on the fun of the character minus the teenage angst. I can see both arguments. The Amazing Spider-Man films were really bogged down by the sappy writing and lack of fun, while Raimi's films boasted the strongest emotional resonance that perhaps was too much for viewers that just want to see Spider-Man makes wise cracks while kicking ass. Homecoming is less interested in exploring the character dynamics of Peter Parker and instead focuses on utilizing Holland's fresh faced charm to make the character pure entertainment. And Homecoming is very likely the most entertaining and inventive that the series has ever been, yet I still hold the Raimi films in high esteem due to the pure prestige moments that they contain. If this review feels like I'm just constantly comparing this film to the Raimi ones you're probably right, but it's hard not to do so especially when they're so tonally different from one another while still being highly effective in their own ways. All in all, Spider-Man: Homecoming is the pure thrill and fun that the character embodies in the source material, and also a welcome outlier in its scale within the Marvel universe. It's a film that contains sharp writing, deviates from a typical origin story, and is bolstered by enjoyable performances from its leads that make it the most fun entry in the Spider-Man franchise.
8/10
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Post by Wyldstaar on Jul 13, 2017 7:04:25 GMT -5
Im just gonna delete the review and not do a new one. I always use a slightly large font when i do a movie review then my normal post font. Seems like the Bible uses a red font when Jesus is talking and if red is good enough for Jesus then its good enough for Spiderman review font So, you feel that your movie reviews are comparable to the most read book in the history of the human race, and the words of Jesus Christ in particular? Wow...
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jul 13, 2017 9:39:16 GMT -5
I don't think you get it Fanible, the red colors were like Spider-Man's, you see? But what was the extra large font supposed to represent? He's obviously saying Spider-Man is well endowed.
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Post by Jibbs on Jul 13, 2017 16:45:23 GMT -5
Seems like the Bible uses a red font when Jesus is talking and if red is good enough for Jesus then its good enough for Spiderman review font wut
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Post by RedVader on Jul 14, 2017 20:04:30 GMT -5
That came out wrong. Im clearly not as important as Jesus. I just like using Red Font for Movie reviews of films compared to regular Black size 3 Font.
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Post by Jibbs on Jul 14, 2017 20:52:13 GMT -5
That's ok. Let's put it behind us.
So, the punk on the bus from Star Trek IV is in this movie. Has a boom box, again.
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Post by FShuttari on Jul 15, 2017 5:32:39 GMT -5
So this is easily the best Spider-man film. I've seen it twice now and it's refreshing to see Spider-man be a real teenager. Not someone who is played by a 30 yr old.
Also watching Peter fight wanting to be a regular teenager and also having a huge responsibility of being a super hero is so well done in this film.
Bravo to the MCU for finally giving as a spider-man film that all comic readers have wanted for decades.
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Post by FShuttari on Jul 15, 2017 5:59:35 GMT -5
Also im having a hard time differentiating between vulture and bird man 😂👍🏻
My only gripe is Tony Stark and vulture didn't share a scene on screen
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Post by Dracula on Jul 15, 2017 11:17:30 GMT -5
Spider-Man: Homecoming(7/8/2017)
It’s easy to forget just how important Sam Raimi’s 2002 film Spider-Man was to the development of the superhero genre. When talking about the first superhero boom in the 2000s a lot of people point to Blade and X-Men as the beginning of the trend, and technically that’s true insomuch as they were the first two Marvel movies of the era but their impact wasn’t nearly as momentous. Adjusted for inflation that is to this date the second highest grossing movie based on a Marvel property behind only the first Avengers movie and in 2002 it managed to beat a Star Wars movie, a Lord of the Rings movie, and a Harry Potter movie to be the highest grossing movie of that year and it did it by a lot. It wasn’t just the fact that it made all that money either, it had to do with how it made all that money. Earlier superhero movies like the 1989 Batman had almost played out more like action movies than entrants in a genre unto themselves and movies like X-Men changed their look and tone in order to reach a wider audience that may be put off by something that looks too much like a comic book. Spider-Man looked and felt more like the 1978 Superman but it had modern special effects which would make its success a lot more replicable. I don’t love that movie, I think there are things about it that don’t hold up, but it was an event and it set the stage for an entire generation of blockbusters. That’s why it felt so incredibly wrong for Sony to have just rebooted that whole series exactly ten years later and just do the whole thing over again but worse. Had the Amazing Spider-Man series gone in some radical new direction it might have justified itself but it was just a blatant cash grab and by the second movie audiences rightly rejected the series. Now there’s a new Spider-Man and you’d think I’d be similarly annoyed by this third iteration of the franchise in fifteen years, but unlike that goofy first reboot this one adds something to the equation: Sony has managed to cut a deal with Marvel studios to bring their web-slinger into the red hot Marvel Cinematic Universe and they more than proved that they had a unique take on the character when he appeared in Captain America: Civil War.
Spider-Man: Homecoming picks up almost immediately after the end of Captain America: Civil War with Peter Parker (Tom Holland) arriving home from Germany where he had just fought Captain America on Iron Man’s behalf. Tony Stark (Robert Downey Jr.) lets Parker keep the high tech spandex suit he’d made for him and tells him to use Happy Hogan (Jon Favreau) as his main contact. From there we begin with the classic Spider-Man set of challenges: Parker must find a balance between living a high schooler’s life with his crime fighting side job all while keeping his secret identity intact. We’re introduced to his peers like his friends Ned (Jacob Batalon) and Michelle (Zendaya), the school bully Flash Thompson (Tony Revolori), and the girl Parker has a crush on named Liz (Laura Harrier). Parker is going through the usual teenage stuff with all these people but constantly finds himself abandoning social situations and flaking on obligations because he’s tracking down a gang that’s been selling high tech weapons to criminals. Parker doesn’t know yet that this will put him on a collision course with a man named Adrian Toomes (Michael Keaton) who got his hands on a bunch of alien technology after the invasion depicted in the finale of The Avengers and has been combining them with human technology to make these weapons and to steal more alien technology he’s created a wing suit to take on the persona called “The Vulture.”
It is perhaps fitting that Spider-Man: Homecoming is a Sony production made in affiliation with Marvel rather than a more conventional entrant in the Marvel cannon because Spider-Man has always been a different kind of hero than the Avenger types that we’ve mostly seen populate the MCU. He’s more of a street level costumed vigilante than a flashy world savior. He has a secret identity (something that, curiously, almost none of the previous MCU characters have had), he has to make ends meet, and of course he’s young. The first thing you notice about the new Spider-Man is that he actually looks like a real teenager. Tom Holland would have been about 19 or 20 when he made this movie but compared to Toby Maguire and Andre Garfield, who were 27 and 29 when their first Spider-Man movies came out, he seems practically cherubic. Ignoring all the superhero material this is actually a very solid high school, one that occasionally references John Hughs but isn’t married to some of the dated elements and nostalgia that often drags down movies from this genre. The film has a very post-21 Jump Street view of modern high schools and doesn’t feel bounded to ancient teenage stereotypes like “jocks” and “goths.” Parker is still a “nerd” of sorts but he’s not ostracized for enjoying science and isn’t routinely stuffed in lockers or whatever, it’s perhaps more accurate to say that he’s simply not very popular and isn’t a savant in social situations.
These coming of age elements are extended to the film’s superhero elements and particularly to his relationship to Tony Stark, which I was pleasantly surprised to learn was actually an important part of the film rather than a marketing gimmick. Stark acts as a father figure within the superhero portion of Peter Parker’s life and it quickly becomes apparent that their interactions are an allegory for the struggles between young people who think they’re prepared for greater independence than their parents believe they’re ready for. This time around Spider-Man’s suit has been provided to him by Stark and it comes with an Iron-Man style talking A.I. and various other neat perks and features to assist him in crime fighting, but many of these features have been locked out by Stark’s “training wheels” initiative and he’s also being tracked and coached during many of his superhero outings. Cautious Sokovia Accords advocate Tony Stark clearly wants to make sure that Parker sticks to fighting within his weight class and wants him to stick to being a “friendly neighborhood Spider-Man” during his youth rather than get himself in battles with super villains and the like, but when Parker believes he’s needed he subverts this surveillance and defies his metaphorical father with mixed results.
The villain that Stark doesn’t want Parker to be messing with is The Vulture, who in his own modest way is probably the best villain to ever grace an MCU film. This is likely a function of the film’s more down to earth nature. To tangle with The Avengers a villain basically needs to be out to destroy the entire world and the kind of people who want to destroy the world tend not to have a lot of nuance; they lack personality and are basically just pure evil. The Vulture AKA Adrian Toomes on the other hand is a guy whose decent into criminality actually makes sense and is rooted in some understandable grievances. It’s explained in the prolog that Toomes’ was financially hit when a contract to salvage the alien wreckage from the battle in The Avengers was snatched from him by Tony Stark and the federal government after he’d already purchased a bunch of equipment for the job. Essentially he’s a representative of the resentful white working class that have been such a fixture of concern in the media since the rise of Trump, a parallel that likely wasn’t intentional when the movie was being produced but which is nonetheless interesting. On top of that The Vulture is just a cool looking and well-conceived villain. The film comes up with a believable-ish costume for him and finds interesting ways to conduct his various heists. There is of course a bit of irony in the idea that Michael Keaton, star of the Hollywood satire Birdman: or the Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance, is now playing an avian themed masked character in a superhero movie but that dissipates when you realize that Keaton really is kind of perfect for this role and does a good job of making his character relatable and believable.
If there’s anything that holds back Spider-Man: Homecoming from greatness it’s probably the filmmaking. Jon Watts is a newcomer to the world of big budget filmmaking and while he certainly proves himself to be a serviceable filmmaker here he doesn’t really seem to be bringing a unique vision to the table, or perhaps the Marvel machine isn’t letting him. The action scenes here are almost universally good, but few of them really stand out as being truly memorable cinematic moments that rise above what you’d get out of a typical superhero movie. If this movie had come in with the kind auteur prowess that someone like Christopher Nolan was able to bring to The Dark Knight or that Sam Raimi brought to Spider-Man 2 it may well have become a true classic of the genre but as it is it has to settle for merely being one of the best MCU movies, which is kind of like being the best burger at McDonalds. But let’s not overlook how much of an accomplishment it is to bring a noteworthy superhero movie to an oversaturated market like this. Watts has managed to make a movie that should feel overstuffed and bloated, yet movies along at a crisp pace and which fits all the usual expectations of the superhero genre point for point while somehow not feeling formulaic at all. It’s great summer fun and it extends a pretty clear win streak that Marvel has been having the last two years.
**** out of Five
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Post by Neverending on Jul 15, 2017 15:06:49 GMT -5
So this is easily the best Spider-man film. I've seen it twice now and it's refreshing to see Spider-man be a real teenager. Not someone who is played by a 30 yr old. Also watching Peter fight wanting to be a regular teenager and also having a huge responsibility of being a super hero is so well done in this film. Bravo to the MCU for finally giving as a spider-man film that all comic readers have wanted for decades. 10/10 Also im having a hard time differentiating between vulture and bird man 😂👍🏻 My only gripe is Tony Stark and vulture didn't share a scene on screen
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 17, 2017 14:59:55 GMT -5
I liked it just fine. Maybe not as much as others, but it's enjoyable. Michael Keaton steals the show, though, and is one of the best MCU villains to date. It might rely a bit too heavily on humor in some cases, but overall, it's good fun.
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Post by RedVader on Jul 18, 2017 22:17:30 GMT -5
Do you guys think it would be cool if Toby Mcguire was Uncle Ben and it would in a way tie in Toby too the new films.
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Post by Fanible on Jul 19, 2017 5:16:54 GMT -5
You are quite interesting, RedVader.
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Post by Jibbs on Jul 19, 2017 17:00:10 GMT -5
It'd be better if Holland bumped into him in the street. Like, really hard. And then Tobey cried again.
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Post by frankyt on Jul 19, 2017 17:04:21 GMT -5
Obviously the only logical father of Peter would be Andrew Garfield then.
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Post by Ramplate on Sept 29, 2017 7:17:04 GMT -5
Its out on digital as of yesterday, and in an odd coincidence a spider ran across my coffee cup yesterday too. The only spider I've seen in a year and a half here in rehab.
I liked it. I'm glad Sony brought Spidey into the fold for help on getting things more on target. Was it perfect? No, but it was a lot better. The suit's a little too hi-tech for me and they could stand to pull it back a few notches.
Flash Thompson isn't really Flash Thompson, but I could deal with the rest of the cast changes.
Keaton was really good, he looked really evil when he figured out who Parker was.
All in all, a decent film.
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Post by Doomsday on Apr 23, 2018 13:13:13 GMT -5
Man do people have a lot of time on their hands.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Apr 23, 2018 13:43:31 GMT -5
Twist ending to Infinity War revealed. Tony goes all Civil War on Peter for an affair with Pepper, and Thanos is all like "I ain't gettin' in the middle of this" and just leaves the Earth.
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