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Post by John on Feb 12, 2015 10:30:26 GMT -5
Damn right you forgot Scrubs. I've been rewatching it the past few weeks and I realized I didn't include it on the list. Instantly felt bad.
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Post by John on Feb 16, 2015 11:50:42 GMT -5
I have an idea for a new list, trying to work out the kinks. It's a little more unconventional than what I've done up to now.
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Post by John on Feb 16, 2015 12:42:01 GMT -5
The Top Ten Films Never Made (but really should have been)Now, I realize that this is inherently pulled from a list of infinite possibilities. The list will be comprised of ideas that were very close to being made, or were at least largely suspected would happen. I have a few ground rules in my mental process: 1. I will avoid existing films that were just almost made by a different director, for example Ridley Scott's I Am Legend. Would it have been better? I'm sure, but that's not an interesting choice. 2. I tried to stay away from sequels, although one did crack the list. I will be focusing more on films that were very original or unique ideas, not just expansions on stories already told. That being said, the one sequel that did make the list was drastically different from the original and that's how I justified it. 3. None of these are fan wishes – so no Serenity 2, no Unbreakable 2, etc. I don’t know that they would have cracked the list anyway because the ten I’ve selected sound better, but I wanted to focus on projects that at the very least had a script. Some of these even got as far as casting or having second unit footage filmed. Here we go... 10. Ridley Scott's Gladiator III did mention that I was including a sequel, so I figured I should get it out of the way first. I’m sure we’ve all seen the original Gladiator by now, came out in 2000, Russell Crowe plays Maximus, a Roman general turned gladiator, and dies at the end of the film. In the later 00’s, there was a lot of discussion about an apparent attempt at a sequel to the original. From what I’ve read, it is an insane idea and would have been a very epic film had it never been made. Maximus is reincarnated after a deal made with the gods in the afterlife, becomes immortal, defends early Christians, reunites with his son, and then essentially lives forever through every important period of time in history all the way up to the present day where he is a General in the Pentagon. The studio balked because, and I don’t really blame them, it’s kind of a crazy idea but I think it would have been a lot of fun. I think potentially it might have seriously undermined the first film though - a serious, epic, period drama, followed by a time-traveling, supernatural action film. The more I write about this the more I’m wondering if the creators of the Assassin’s Creed games took any influence from this. Obviously the concepts are not one and the same, but the concepts are somewhat similar. Maybe that’s as close as we’ll ever get to seeing a realized Gladiator II.
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Post by PG Cooper on Feb 16, 2015 12:44:31 GMT -5
Gladiator II would have been interesting but, like you, I agree that's too crazy to the point of being stupid. Although something neat could be done with that concept, just don't make it a sequel to Gladiator.
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Post by IanTheCool on Feb 16, 2015 13:02:05 GMT -5
It would have only worked IF it was a sequel to Gladiator.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Feb 16, 2015 13:24:56 GMT -5
Nah, Gladiator works as a standalone movie. I'm glad they never made a sequel.
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Post by John on Feb 16, 2015 13:54:11 GMT -5
I think you're both full of shit. This would be awesome in every way.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 13:57:07 GMT -5
I'd actually like to see a prequel. There's a lot that could be covered.
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Post by John on Feb 16, 2015 14:57:14 GMT -5
9. Alfred Hitchcock's KaleidoscopeWhile elements of Hitchcock’s Kaleidoscope have shown up in other films ( Frenzy), it is largely one of many Hitchcock projects that never truly saw the light of day. A cat-and-mouse game about a young bodybuilder luring pretty women to their deaths, the police trying to capture him, and the film would be seen from the eyes of the killer (potentially played by Robert Redford or Michael Caine). Sounds awesome. Unfortunately it never happened. Hitch was told the film was too uncommercial and was convinced to pursue other projects. The project was filled with sex, violence, rape, murder, acid baths, necrophilia, etc. While Psycho had a few of these themes, they were blended with the mystery of the film itself. This was a hard-hitting piece; it might have been Hitchcock’s masterpiece. Hitchcock was all about revolutionizing film, and he would have certainly achieved that here had it been made. I’ve read that the script is still being kicked around, so I’m hopeful that someone will eventually make it someday. I’m sure it won’t be of the same quality that Hitchcock would have produced, but I think it’s an interesting story regardless of who makes it… although in 2015 it might not feel all that different from a lot of films released every year now. Hitchcock’s would have set a new precedent for American cinema; now it might be perceived as a rip-off of “Dexter” or another movie/tv series with similar ideas.
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Post by Jibbs on Feb 16, 2015 20:14:42 GMT -5
I want to see Gladiator II, now.
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Post by John on Feb 16, 2015 20:21:33 GMT -5
Right!? This has been kind of a depressing list to make. The more research I've done the more I've realized how many potentially incredible ideas are just out there floating in limbo.
I'll have two more up tomorrow.
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Post by frankyt on Feb 16, 2015 21:37:13 GMT -5
It sounds like a spiritual successor to Forrest Gump, only somehow more obnoxious. That movie would have been awful.
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Post by John on Feb 16, 2015 22:07:20 GMT -5
You're not a happy guy are you, Frank?
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Post by Deexan on Feb 17, 2015 2:30:52 GMT -5
Is Gladiator II a real thing or are you fucking with us?
I would like to see a prequel or something that didn't have to include the Oliver Reed CGI bullshit.
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Post by John on Feb 17, 2015 7:06:36 GMT -5
No it's real.
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Post by John on Feb 17, 2015 9:39:28 GMT -5
8. Paul Verhoeven's CrusadeArnold Schwarzenegger nearly starred in a Middle Ages epic, directed by Paul Verhoeven ( Robocop, Total Recall) that was supposed to be a mix of Spartacus and Conan. The film had a full cast (including Robert Duvall, Jennifer Connelly, and John Turturro), storyboards, obviously a script, even sets were being built in Spain. Then Verhoeven had a mental breakdown in a board meeting with the studio heads concerning the budget and the entire thing fell apart. Verhoeven really poked at the corporate business in Total Recall and the American military in Starship Troopers, it would have been great to see how he would have condemned religion. Ironically enough, it’s possible that this film would have saved the now defunct Carolco studio. Instead of funding this, they went with Renny Harlin’s Cutthroat Island which went on to become a huge flop, costing the studio $115 million and effectively killing it. Rumors have floated for a few years now that the project might still have some life left in it, obviously just not with Arnold anymore. Too bad. As much as I love action films in general, there’s just something about this project with Arnold (as opposed to… let’s say Dwayne Johnson) that might have been a huge hit rather than what it would probably end up being now. While Arnold certainly made a lot of great movies between Terminator 2 (and the original), Predator, and the immortal classic Jingle All the Way, but Crusade might have been right up there as well.
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Post by PG Cooper on Feb 17, 2015 9:40:51 GMT -5
I may not be on board with Gladiator II, but your subsequent choices both sound great.
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Post by frankyt on Feb 17, 2015 10:13:13 GMT -5
You're not a happy guy are you, Frank? I think you'd be surprised... but my standards are not the same as yours. Clearly.
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Post by John on Feb 17, 2015 10:18:28 GMT -5
You're right, I would definitely be surprised.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 10:36:29 GMT -5
Crusade sounds cool.
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Post by Nilade on Feb 17, 2015 13:53:51 GMT -5
I remember when Crusade was at a point where it was going to happen. Right after True Lies, when Arnie was at the peak of his career. It probably would've kept his momentum going a few more years, but it never did and his movie career slowly started to decline.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 14:29:00 GMT -5
I'll be surprised if this isn't mentioned, if not only in passing:
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Post by PhantomKnight on Feb 17, 2015 14:34:50 GMT -5
I have a book called Tales From Development Hell: The Greatest Movies Never Made, and Crusade is one of the films talked about in there. Yeah, it sure sounded interesting.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Feb 17, 2015 14:52:50 GMT -5
8. Paul Verhoeven's CrusadeArnold Schwarzenegger nearly starred in a Middle Ages epic, directed by Paul Verhoeven ( Robocop, Total Recall) that was supposed to be a mix of Spartacus and Conan. The film had a full cast (including Robert Duvall, Jennifer Connelly, and John Turturro), storyboards, obviously a script, even sets were being built in Spain. Then Verhoeven had a mental breakdown in a board meeting with the studio heads concerning the budget and the entire thing fell apart. Verhoeven really poked at the corporate business in Total Recall and the American military in Starship Troopers, it would have been great to see how he would have condemned religion. Ironically enough, it’s possible that this film would have saved the now defunct Carolco studio. Instead of funding this, they went with Renny Harlin’s Cutthroat Island which went on to become a huge flop, costing the studio $115 million and effectively killing it. Rumors have floated for a few years now that the project might still have some life left in it, obviously just not with Arnold anymore. Too bad. As much as I love action films in general, there’s just something about this project with Arnold (as opposed to… let’s say Dwayne Johnson) that might have been a huge hit rather than what it would probably end up being now. While Arnold certainly made a lot of great movies between Terminator 2 (and the original), Predator, and the immortal classic Jingle All the Way, but Crusade might have been right up there as well. That would've been awesome, or at least really fun. Damn, "Cutthroat Island" instead, bet the people who made that choice haven't been in Hollywood for years.
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Post by frankyt on Feb 17, 2015 15:02:48 GMT -5
I'll be surprised if this isn't mentioned, if not only in passing: He wasn't going to actually make Dune though. He was just going to make a sci fi movie with the name Dune. I agree it would have been pretty impressive, but it wasn't going to be a movie version of Dune.
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