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Post by PhantomKnight on Oct 12, 2014 21:12:06 GMT -5
Worst product placement I've ever seen was Sprint in the TV show Fringe. At one point Asterisk is showing Walter how to use a certain feature on the phone and Walter just loves it. Hah, I remember that; it really did stick out like a sore thumb. Similarly, I recently watched an episode of White Collar where characters were discussing features of a car that camera angles made abundantly clear was part of the Ford line.
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Post by Neverending on Oct 12, 2014 21:16:11 GMT -5
Yeah... no. Batman is very unique because no other character has had so much extreme versions. Superman, however, has always been the same. Sometimes he fights for the common man. Sometimes he fights supervillains. Sometimes he fights people from other worlds and dimensions. But he, as a character, has always been the same. That's the problem with Man of Steel. It's NOT Superman. He's not supposed to be some emo hobo roaming around America. Superman is a symbol. He's supposed to stand for justice and goodness. He's supposed to be a role model. He's supposed to be better than everyone else. Does that make him... boring? Only if you're telling a boring story. Pick up a Superman comic book from 1938 and tell me what you see. You see a Superman protecting people from everyday crimes and abuse. THAT'S the Superman movie I want. Not this Zack Snyder bullshit. If Marvel can do Captain America, Warner Bros can do Superman the right way. He wasn't superman yet when he was the "emo hobo" roaming America. He doesn't need a name and costume to be Superman. And yes, I know he TECHNICALLY did heroic things before putting on the suit, but that leads to the other big issue: TONE. Like I said in my original review last year, Man of Steel is too depressing. Clark Kent rescues people from drowning and Zack Snyder treats it like the saddest thing in the world.
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Post by Dracula on Oct 12, 2014 21:25:44 GMT -5
He wasn't superman yet when he was the "emo hobo" roaming America. He doesn't need a name and costume to be Superman. And yes, I know he TECHNICALLY did heroic things before putting on the suit, but that leads to the other big issue: TONE. Like I said in my original review last year, Man of Steel is too depressing. Clark Kent rescues people from drowning and Zack Snyder treats it like the saddest thing in the world. Depressing? You make it sound like this is Amour or something. This is a superhero movie, just because Superman isn't spouting one-liners every five minutes like the characters in Marvel movies does not mean the movie is depressing. Have our expectations for superhero movies been thrown off so much that this is considered "depressing."
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Post by Jibbs on Oct 12, 2014 21:33:19 GMT -5
Worst product placement I've ever seen was Sprint in the TV show Fringe. At one point Asterisk is showing Walter how to use a certain feature on the phone and Walter just loves it. Hah, I remember that; it really did stick out like a sore thumb. Similarly, I recently watched an episode of White Collar where characters were discussing features of a car that camera angles made abundantly clear was part of the Ford line. And then there's the Nissan in Heroes.
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Post by Neverending on Oct 12, 2014 21:33:27 GMT -5
Let's compare Man of Steel to... say... Chris Nolan's Batman
And here's Man of Steel
See the difference.
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Post by Dracula on Oct 12, 2014 21:43:29 GMT -5
Uh, no, not exactly. What's your point?
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Post by frankyt on Oct 12, 2014 22:40:21 GMT -5
The worst product placement of all time is from Breaking Bad. When they got Chrysler as their sponsor and kicked the Pontiac to the curb. That whole first 5 minutes is the most insane 5 minutes in the show. By far.
Oh, and Man of Steel, without product placement, still stinks.
Product placement never bothers me much, but I understand both sides of the argument.
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Post by Dracula on Oct 12, 2014 22:42:40 GMT -5
The worst product placement of all time is from Breaking Bad. When they got Chrysler as their sponsor and kicked the Pontiac to the curb. That whole first 5 minutes is the most insane 5 minutes in the show. By far. Oh, and Man of Steel, without product placement, still stinks. Product placement never bothers me much, but I understand both sides of the argument. That show also had some highly inacurate product placement of the video game Rage, which actively made the game look a lot less fun than it (probably) actually is. Made it look like a lightgun game instead of a first person shooter.
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Post by Jibbs on Oct 12, 2014 23:03:00 GMT -5
Video games in movies/TV always makes me laugh. I can't count how many times I've yelled "that's not a multiplayer game!" at the screen.
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Post by Dracula on Oct 12, 2014 23:07:46 GMT -5
Video games in movies/TV always makes me laugh. I can't count how many times I've yelled "that's not a multiplayer game!" at the screen. Or "that's not how you hold a controller!"
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Post by Jibbs on Oct 12, 2014 23:34:08 GMT -5
Or "hitting all the buttons won't help you there. This isn't Street Fighter II"
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Post by Fanible on Oct 12, 2014 23:45:22 GMT -5
Kevin Spacey in House of Cards. Watching him randomly mash the controller while playing FPS games.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 10:21:53 GMT -5
It's even worse when they add in some stupid, phony sound effects. "pew pew"
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Post by IanTheCool on Oct 13, 2014 10:55:33 GMT -5
The best product placement I saw was Dominion and Race for the Galaxy in Gone Girl.
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Post by IanTheCool on Oct 26, 2014 10:28:47 GMT -5
I went into Man of Steel with pretty high expectations. I tried not to, but lets face it , I did. The trailers looked really good, the casting seemed solid, and the team behind it was very respectable. I confess that I really hoped that this would be another outstanding superhero flick. But after seeing it, I’m not sure if I even liked it.
There’s a lot to admire about this movie. The score for one. Its very rousing and understated at the same time. I also liked a lot of the imagery, such as seeing the back of superman against an arctic backdrop, or watching him circle around the earth in space. There is also a final one on one fight at the end which is pretty impressive in its scope and grandeur.
There were also some very good performances, particularly by Kevin Costner s Jonathon Kent and Amy Adams as Lois Lane (so no, I guess she wasn’t just hired for her initial alliteration). Michael Shannon’s Zod was also an excellent and charismatic villain, which is important for movies in this vein to have. As for Henry Cavill as Supes, well, we didn’t do a bad job to be sure and he wasn’t a stand out either. And the fact that he was only middle-of-the-road may have played a part in the problem I’m about to bring up.
I just want to say before I get into my real problem with the movie, that I really did not like the design of Krypton. I did not find the grey, metallic aesthetic at all. I know that this is a more subjective argument, but I think its worth mentioning.
Alright, looking at of the character of Superman, lets get into the big flaw of this movie, which I found leads into a lot of different areas. The big problem with Man of Steel is that we as an audience aren’t given enough of a chance to connect with the character early on in the film. This proved to be quite problematic and made the film a less moving experience than it should have been.
One reason for this was probably the pacing and editing in the first half. Before we even really meet Clark, he’s already saving people and pulling off amazing feats as he travels around the country. The editing transitions seem really quick and move things along fairly fast so we never have a chance to just settle down with this character. Zach Snyder made the choice to show the significant moments in his childhood through flashbacks spread throughout the film, most likely to avoid the first act from dragging and rehashing the origin story. But I can’t help but wonder if this was a mistake and if by showing his childhood at the beginning we would have been more grounded in the character of Clark Kent.
So why is this such a problem? Yes, by the third act of the film we have developed a relationship with the Superman character, but there is a lot of wasted potential early on. There are some scenes and moments which lose their power simply because that connection is not fully formed, such as the scene where he is learning to fly in the arctic.
It also would have added a lot more weight to the moments when his fathers both tell him that he has a chance to change the world and too be an inspiration to the human race. These would have been more deeply felt had we been more intimate with the character. However at this point we weren’t, and these big moments which should really be speaking to the heart of the Superman mythology itself, fell flat.
Along these same lines, a big problem with the narrative is that the human race encounters Zod and the other Kryptonians before they encounter Superman. This is a huge mistake in my opinion. I think it is very important for the people of Earth to have their first otherworldly encounter be with Clark. He should be the one who amazes them first, because this would deepen their connection to him as well as ours.
So did I like it? I can’t say I loved it, I know that much. There were things I really liked about it, but a few poor decisions and fatal flaws which bring it down, mostly with the character itself. It did stretch on too long, especially the final climax and a particular fight scene in the middle. Some good visuals (on Earth anyway, not so much Krypton) and some really rousing moments, but there could have been many more moments which could have been more rousing. 6/10
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Post by FShuttari on Oct 26, 2014 11:52:36 GMT -5
Batman is not Superman. What works for Begins and Dark Knight Trilogy should not work for Superman.
Nolan and Goyer had miss-fire as far as I'm concerned.
Superman isn't dark and emo and a killer.
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Post by Neverending on Apr 23, 2015 17:18:01 GMT -5
DoomsdayWhat if Man of Steel was in... color?
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Post by FShuttari on Apr 24, 2015 14:49:55 GMT -5
That's awesome I totally agree with this
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Post by Ramplate on Apr 25, 2015 5:54:33 GMT -5
This would have been so much better
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Post by Neverending on Apr 19, 2016 16:15:54 GMT -5
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Post by Neverending on Jul 16, 2020 18:09:54 GMT -5
I spent 5 minutes watching Henry Cavill build a PC
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Post by Doomsday on Jul 16, 2020 18:11:47 GMT -5
Did you bump this because I mentioned turn your brain off movies?
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jul 16, 2020 18:30:16 GMT -5
No, he bumped it because I like watching Cavill flex his triceps.
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Post by Nilade on Jul 17, 2020 3:21:41 GMT -5
Mostly created the thread so I could preserve this little exchange: He bumped it so we're not left hanging.
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