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Post by daniel on Apr 2, 2017 2:18:27 GMT -5
The correct rating lies in between daniel's 4/10 and phantom's preference of this over the original. So a 4.25.
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Post by PG Cooper on Apr 2, 2017 9:38:56 GMT -5
Everyone's bitching about how it's too close to the original. Nobody is bitching about that. I am.
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Post by Fanible on Apr 2, 2017 10:25:23 GMT -5
Most of everything I didn't like was the changes and additions.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Apr 2, 2017 11:03:49 GMT -5
Most of everything I thought was better about this one had to do with the changes and additions.
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Post by PG Cooper on Apr 3, 2017 16:51:55 GMT -5
It was easy to ignore Disney’s trend of remaking their animated classics in live-action when movies like Cinderella where barely a blip on the radar, but last year’s The Jungle Book was a sign that they were films worth making note of. That film made almost a billion dollars, won an Oscar, and received good reviews too. Personally, I didn’t love Jon Favreau’s movie, but I thought it was a pretty solid adventure film that made some smart deviations from the animated film. Just a year later, Disney has doubled down, presenting a remake of their only film to score a Best Picture nomination; Beauty and the Beast. The film has been hyped as a prime blockbuster and sure enough opened to huge business. My own interest, however, was mute. The movie didn’t seem to be doing anything new to justify a remake and as such I didn’t see much point in the film. Circumstances nonetheless found me at the theater and lo and behold my initial suspicions were on-point.
Anyone familiar with the animated film will not require a plot synopsis here, but for anyone uninitiated, I will provide. Set in a small 18th century French village, the film follows Belle (Emma Watson), a young woman who stands out amidst the women in her village due to her affinity for reading and her lack of interest in the handsome, though selfish and simplistic Gaston (Luke Evans). One day, Belle’s father (Kevin Kline) ventures off on a trip but becomes lost in the forest, eventually finding refuge in a seemingly abandoned castle. Turns out the castle is actually home of a hideous beast (Dan Stevens) who takes the father prisoner. The Beast is himself a former prince, cursed for his vanity and transformed into the terrifying creature, while his servants have been transformed into animated household objects. Belle opts to take her father’s place as the Beast’s prisoner. The Beast initially cares nothing for her, but the servants remind him that their curse can be broken if The Beast learns to love, and comes to be loved. What follows is a slow love story which develops between the two.
With the exception of the actors, the above plot description can essentially be applied to the animated film just as easily. Indeed, this remake is remarkably similar to the beloved animated movie. Not just the storyline, but several visual elements and lines of dialogue are lifted entirely and what little is added doesn’t mean much. There are some tweaks made to Belle and The Beast’s origins and a few new songs added, but none of these things make much difference. The result is a film which is mostly well-produced, but is also a bit of a bore. There are no surprises to be found, no interesting insights into the characters, and no new interesting scene constructions. Instead, Disney and co. seem interested in just presenting a parade of things people remember from the animated film with minimal change.
To be fair, the filmmakers do a pretty decent job translating some elements I didn’t think would work in live-action. I expected the servant characters to look terrible, but the visual effects behind things like a living candle and clock actually work pretty well. The castle set is also fairly strong, if a bit too effects heavy at points, but it works, and the costumes look good too. I was less impressed with the visual effects used to bring The Beast to the screen. They aren’t bad exactly, but the Beast never feels totally there and the effects don’t hold a candle to Favreau’s The Jungle Book.
It’s a shame the filmmakers felt so bound to Disney’s previous version because there are some interesting unique things that can be done with this property, as filmmakers like Jean Cocteau have proven before. Even without going to some of the darker areas of that 1946 French adaptation of the story, there is certainly new things to do. For starters, the filmmakers could have done more to flesh out the characters, particularly given the longer runtime. Belle is often praised as one of the deeper Disney princesses, but her character is still fairly simplistic. She likes to read and she has no interest in getting married, which is certainly progressive, but there is room to strengthen that part. That doesn’t really happen, however. This version of Belle is basically the same as before, albeit a little less strong an anchor of the film. On that note, many have been quick to criticize Emma Watson’s performance. I thought she was mostly fine, but she did seem to have less spark than her animated counter-part and I didn’t feel much romance between her and The Beast. The real character that I’d like to see improved however is Gaston. Gaston is an interesting villain in the fact that he possesses the traits of most male heroes in Disney rather than that of a villain, but the character in the animated film is portrayed in the most broad and basic of ways. There’s a lot of depth to be found in a character who has been socialized into getting everything he wants and isn’t used to things not going his way. I’m not trying to defend his actions, but there are some complexities to Gaston that can be explored. This film does not take that opportunity, and instead continues to portray Gaston as a complete pig without the slightest hint of subtlety or depth. Luke Evans performance is kind of fun to watch, but this just strikes me as another opportunity the filmmakers squander.
The hardest reviews to write are not for the best or worst films, but for the ones that are the most average. Truly unremarkable, and that largely sums my feelings on 2017’s Beauty and the Beast. This isn’t a film that’s bad or unpleasant. In fact, it’s generally pretty competent on a technical level. But on a creative level, the film is woefully uninspired. What more is there to say? It’s just a boring retread of the animated movie. If you really love the 1991 version then you might find some fun in seeing it done in live-action, but there isn’t much use for this movie otherwise.
D+
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Post by Dhamon22 on Apr 3, 2017 17:04:45 GMT -5
I enjoyed the movie overall but its not great. It is a pretty close copy to the animated version but I actually thought it worked great for the musical numbers. It was when they mimicked everything else that it bothered me for some reason. I didn't love the look of the living furniture and thought most of the added stuff had no meaningful impact. Would've like to have seen more relationship building between Belle and Beast to make that more believable. Emma Watson and Dan Stevens were both good.
7/10
My daughter has watched the original 4 or 5 times since we saw this last week so thats cool.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Apr 3, 2017 20:51:16 GMT -5
Would've like to have seen more relationship building between Belle and Beast to make that more believable. Emma Watson and Dan Stevens were both good. Really? That's actually one of the main areas where I thought this version improved upon the original.
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Post by PG Cooper on Apr 3, 2017 20:57:59 GMT -5
I'm with Dhamon. I did not feel the love that night.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Apr 3, 2017 22:46:30 GMT -5
It benefitted from there being more screentime devoted to it. As good as the original is, at only 85 minutes (counting end credits), the plot has to clip along at a breakneck pace. I understand part of that has to do with kids' short attention spans, but this one was able to be longer and thus add some scenes to develop the romance and each of the characters a little more, and they went a long way for me.
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Post by Neverending on Jun 6, 2017 21:40:14 GMT -5
Out on Blu-Ray you fucks!
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jun 7, 2017 16:39:25 GMT -5
You know I already got my copy!
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Post by Neverending on Jun 7, 2017 18:17:21 GMT -5
You know I already got my copy! Give your digital copy to Dracula
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Post by Wyldstaar on Jun 7, 2017 20:44:56 GMT -5
Out on bluray? It was still showing in theaters this weekend! Not dollar theaters either, but first run ones! I haven't seen that happen since Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.
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Post by Neverending on Jun 7, 2017 20:50:44 GMT -5
Out on bluray? It was still showing in theaters this weekend! Not dollar theaters either, but first run ones! I haven't seen that happen since Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.It already made $500 million domestically and $1 billion worldwide. I don't think Disney cares if theaters play it or not at this point.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jun 7, 2017 21:28:39 GMT -5
Out on bluray? It was still showing in theaters this weekend! Not dollar theaters either, but first run ones! I haven't seen that happen since Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.It's just as fast as Logan - in theaters March 3rd and on Blu Ray May 23rd. I really thought they'd hold both until at least July.
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Post by Fanible on Jun 7, 2017 23:56:39 GMT -5
Indeed, the studio wouldn't care this late in a theatrical run, as they don't see much revenue from the ticket sales anymore. This far down the line, it is now flipped on its head and the theater owners get most of the ticket cost.
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Post by Neverending on Jun 8, 2017 0:46:18 GMT -5
Out on bluray? It was still showing in theaters this weekend! Not dollar theaters either, but first run ones! I haven't seen that happen since Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.It's just as fast as Logan - in theaters March 3rd and on Blu Ray May 23rd. I really thought they'd hold both until at least July. Too much money to be made.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jun 9, 2017 12:13:43 GMT -5
What's kind of ironic, though, is that big moneymakers like Beauty and the Beast and Logan can have a quicker turnaround than a recent bomb like Gore Verbinski's A Cure For Wellness. You'd think it would be the other way around.
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Post by Neverending on Sept 21, 2017 11:14:01 GMT -5
On Netflix. Dracula , watch it. I expect numerous Golden Stake awards.
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Post by RedVader on Sept 24, 2017 6:47:54 GMT -5
You know i saw this in theaters and was ok with it but after a second viewing I consider it not as good a movie as the original cartoon. While with the The Jungle Book i liked both the classic cartoon and the 2016 film. Beauty and The Beast tries too mimic everything only the lines seem flat and so do the songs. Like the Monolog David OGden Stires did the original and it was perfect. I think Ian McKellans voice would have been better used in the live action version then who ever the women was. I assume Mrs Potts.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jan 19, 2018 22:50:53 GMT -5
Better than the actual movie.
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