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Post by daniel on Nov 12, 2017 14:54:43 GMT -5
He doesn't need to apologize to society, just to those who he hurt, and I'm going to trust he will do so like most other people would - directly, and not in some spotlight. I thought he statements were sufficient for a public address.
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Post by Neverending on Nov 12, 2017 16:01:57 GMT -5
Technically, he didn't apologize. He doesn't need to apologize to society, just to those who he hurt, and I'm going to trust he will do so like most other people would - directly, and not in some spotlight. I thought he statements were sufficient for a public address. He already apologized in private. It’s in The NY Times article. The women were upset because he mixed them up. He didn’t need to make any public statements and these woman didn’t really need to go running to the press. He reached out to them years ago and tried to make amends. There’s definitely a witch hunt in Hollywood right now. Throwing Louie with the likes of Harvey Weinstein is ridiculous.
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Post by Seakazoo on Nov 12, 2017 16:19:54 GMT -5
Good on him for at least acknowledging and owning up to what he's done. While his statement doesn't undo his actions and the harm they've done, he seems sincere.
Joe Rogan recently mentioned how crazy it was that someone's career can be ruined by allegations alone. Before Louis CK came out to confirm his actions, he was already guilty in the eyes of the court of public opinion. Normally I'd oppose all his future projects being cancelled based on allegations, but I think everyone was given a head's up regarding the fact that he was going to come clean.
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Post by FShuttari on Nov 12, 2017 18:19:50 GMT -5
Technically, he didn't apologize. He doesn't need to apologize to society, just to those who he hurt, and I'm going to trust he will do so like most other people would - directly, and not in some spotlight. I thought he statements were sufficient for a public address. He already apologized in private. It’s in The NY Times article. The women were upset because he mixed them up. He didn’t need to make any public statements and these woman didn’t really need to go running to the press. He reached out to them years ago and tried to make amends. There’s definitely a witch hunt in Hollywood right now. Throwing Louie with the likes of Harvey Weinstein is ridiculous. This! He doesn't need to make a show of it. He decided to apologize to them privately. It's not a circus for everyone. Putting him in the likes of Weinstein and Spacey is ridiculous.
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Post by daniel on Nov 12, 2017 19:18:31 GMT -5
I might be saying too much but someone I know said she is on the fence about naming an Academy Award winner who assaulted her a while back. The whole story came out in the #MeToo campaign and she told every detail minus the identity. She's not sure she wants to deal with the backlash she'll inevitably receive. SeakazooAccusations are scary AF. I had a girl in middle school once whip around in the hallway and start yelling about how I had "grabbed her ass." I didn't have the nerve to tell her at the time I would never touch her with a 10 foot pole, but I do recall my mind thinking "holy shit, you know you didn't - either someone else did it or someone's backpack hit her in the butt, but you can't prove that, so if she goes to the faculty about it, you're done for." I broke up with a girl that is the poster child for a daughter whose religious zealot parents try to shield her from all the evils in the world. She told me she lost her virginity in the stairwell in high school and loved to have sex in public. We started dating and she was a .... nympho, to say the least. We had the cops kick us out of all kinds of public places, things of that nature. When her parents found out we were dating, her mom drove to our college (a long drive) the very next day and insisted she meet me. I couldn't because I had work, and they ended up pulling her out of school at the end of the semester (after I had called things off with her). Her dad called out of the blue months later and said he was going to the police to file charges because his daughter would never engage in sexual activity willingly and that I had obviously coerced her against her will - he said he could tell I was scum when I refused to meet his wife (who unexpectedly came into town during my work hours). I had to tell him something along the lines of "your daughter had a very active sex life before she met me, and instigated that in our relationship before I ever even discussed sex - you can take this to trial if you want, but I think you will be embarrassing her and yourself if you put her through that." Nevertheless, I immediately called my parents (I was in college and didn't know what to do) and had to have a very awkward conversation with them giving them a heads up I might be subpoenaed or something of that nature. I broke up with another girl due to her unwillingness to cut ties with her psycho stalker ex who made me feel like I was living the real life version of Cape Fear. When I broke up with her it was quiet and uneventful. The next day she called me completely hysterical and told me she was going to tell her dad I raped her because she wanted to take back every time we had sex. I just told her to "go ahead and tell him that if that's what you want to do," and that was the end of it. She was the biggest social justice warrior I've ever known and completely went on at every moment about the patriarchy and things of that nature. I'm pretty sure she went on to paint me as a total scumbag to her group of friends even though the only reason I called things off is because her ex would Facebook message me with threats, or post the middle finger emoji to every thing we were tagged in together on FB. She said he just needed some help and he would get better. Gross. A story that doesn't involve me directly: There was a very attractive and witty co-worker (let's call her Kathy) I had talked to on the phone and gone on a couple dates with, and other people at work warned me to tread carefully - [Kathy] had a reputation of not only sleeping with a lot of guys at work, but also taking them to court (people from work were subpoenaed as witnesses) to bring rape charges against them (I can't speak to them being valid or not). This happened not one, not two, but three times. I had already gotten some "crazy cat lady in training" vibes from [Kathy] once we actually went out, and I immediately put her back in the friend zone as I didn't want to deal with that. Couple years later, my friend/coworker [Jim] struck up a "secret" relationship with [Kathy]. Since [Jim] would never admit to me they were together, and that I figured he would be clouded by "love," I never warned him. About a year later (and a year ago), a mutual friend/coworker of ours confided that [Jim] told her he was trying to break up with [Kathy], but she threatened to go to HR and the police to accuse him of rape if he did. I know they aren't together now, so I don't know if she went through with that accusation, but he was terrified. He's also a huge social justice warrior/white knight type, and all I could think is how ironic (but also hurtful) it would be if he, a very outspoken champion of consent, would be accused by someone who had been known to take things all the way legally. In the instances that directly involved me, all I had was a peace in the knowingness that I hadn't assaulted them, but there was some anxiety about the fact I could never offer up any proof that I was innocent apart from anecdotal evidence. I don't really know if I have anything deep or poignant to offer up - I have sisters, and if some guy truly hurt them, I would want his head on a pike, Joffrey-style. I've also seen the actions of emotional instability, or, in my first story, wrongful accusation first-hand, and it can be some scary shit no matter how innocent you know you are.
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Post by Seakazoo on Nov 12, 2017 19:30:28 GMT -5
Those stories are terrifying. The stories that people come up with are crazy. How someone can live with themselves after telling lies like that is beyond me.
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Post by daniel on Nov 12, 2017 19:36:01 GMT -5
Nov 12, 2017 18:30:28 GMT -6 Seakazoo said: Those stories are terrifying. The stories that people come up with are crazy. How someone can live with themselves after telling lies like that is beyond me. Well, what's nuts is that Anna (the one with the psycho ex) worked on UT campus and volunteered both with women who were victims of abuse, and low income students. She used to go on about the stigma of false rape accusations and how they hurt women more than anything in the end, and yet she did that very thing herself (albeit once, and I think it was more to get a reaction out of me).
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Post by Neverending on Nov 12, 2017 20:10:39 GMT -5
I might be saying too much but someone I know said she is on the fence about naming an Academy Award winner who assaulted her a while back. We already know Doomsday was sexually harassed by Kevin Spacey when he was a seat filler at the Oscars.
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Post by Doomsday on Nov 12, 2017 20:46:15 GMT -5
I might be saying too much but someone I know said she is on the fence about naming an Academy Award winner who assaulted her a while back. The whole story came out in the #MeToo campaign and she told every detail minus the identity. She's not sure she wants to deal with the backlash she'll inevitably receive. Seakazoo Accusations are scary AF. I had a girl in middle school once whip around in the hallway and start yelling about how I had "grabbed her ass." I didn't have the nerve to tell her at the time I would never touch her with a 10 foot pole, but I do recall my mind thinking "holy shit, you know you didn't - either someone else did it or someone's backpack hit her in the butt, but you can't prove that, so if she goes to the faculty about it, you're done for." I broke up with a girl that is the poster child for a daughter whose religious zealot parents try to shield her from all the evils in the world. She told me she lost her virginity in the stairwell in high school and loved to have sex in public. We started dating and she was a .... nympho, to say the least. We had the cops kick us out of all kinds of public places, things of that nature. When her parents found out we were dating, her mom drove to our college (a long drive) the very next day and insisted she meet me. I couldn't because I had work, and they ended up pulling her out of school at the end of the semester (after I had called things off with her). Her dad called out of the blue months later and said he was going to the police to file charges because his daughter would never engage in sexual activity willingly and that I had obviously coerced her against her will - he said he could tell I was scum when I refused to meet his wife (who unexpectedly came into town during my work hours). I had to tell him something along the lines of "your daughter had a very active sex life before she met me, and instigated that in our relationship before I ever even discussed sex - you can take this to trial if you want, but I think you will be embarrassing her and yourself if you put her through that." Nevertheless, I immediately called my parents (I was in college and didn't know what to do) and had to have a very awkward conversation with them giving them a heads up I might be subpoenaed or something of that nature. I broke up with another girl due to her unwillingness to cut ties with her psycho stalker ex who made me feel like I was living the real life version of Cape Fear. When I broke up with her it was quiet and uneventful. The next day she called me completely hysterical and told me she was going to tell her dad I raped her because she wanted to take back every time we had sex. I just told her to "go ahead and tell him that if that's what you want to do," and that was the end of it. She was the biggest social justice warrior I've ever known and completely went on at every moment about the patriarchy and things of that nature. I'm pretty sure she went on to paint me as a total scumbag to her group of friends even though the only reason I called things off is because her ex would Facebook message me with threats, or post the middle finger emoji to every thing we were tagged in together on FB. She said he just needed some help and he would get better. Gross. A story that doesn't involve me directly: There was a very attractive and witty co-worker (let's call her Kathy) I had talked to on the phone and gone on a couple dates with, and other people at work warned me to tread carefully - [Kathy] had a reputation of not only sleeping with a lot of guys at work, but also taking them to court (people from work were subpoenaed as witnesses) to bring rape charges against them (I can't speak to them being valid or not). This happened not one, not two, but three times. I had already gotten some "crazy cat lady in training" vibes from [Kathy] once we actually went out, and I immediately put her back in the friend zone as I didn't want to deal with that. Couple years later, my friend/coworker [Jim] struck up a "secret" relationship with [Kathy]. Since [Jim] would never admit to me they were together, and that I figured he would be clouded by "love," I never warned him. About a year later (and a year ago), a mutual friend/coworker of ours confided that [Jim] told her he was trying to break up with [Kathy], but she threatened to go to HR and the police to accuse him of rape if he did. I know they aren't together now, so I don't know if she went through with that accusation, but he was terrified. He's also a huge social justice warrior/white knight type, and all I could think is how ironic (but also hurtful) it would be if he, a very outspoken champion of consent, would be accused by someone who had been known to take things all the way legally. In the instances that directly involved me, all I had was a peace in the knowingness that I hadn't assaulted them, but there was some anxiety about the fact I could never offer up any proof that I was innocent apart from anecdotal evidence. I don't really know if I have anything deep or poignant to offer up - I have sisters, and if some guy truly hurt them, I would want his head on a pike, Joffrey-style. I've also seen the actions of emotional instability, or, in my first story, wrongful accusation first-hand, and it can be some scary shit no matter how innocent you know you are. Aren't the SJWs the same people who say we need to believe every woman every time they level any accusation against anybody? And if we don't we're no better than the rapists? Yay feminism.
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Post by Doomsday on Nov 12, 2017 20:49:43 GMT -5
I might be saying too much but someone I know said she is on the fence about naming an Academy Award winner who assaulted her a while back. We already know Doomsday was sexually harassed by Kevin Spacey when he was a seat filler at the Oscars. It was actually Denzel. Something about 'kissing it,' I can't really remember, I was really woozy after drinking something Anthony Hopkins gave me. The next morning I woke up in the back of an abandoned car and pulled a small brick of half eaten sharp cheddar cheese out of my asshole. It was a really weird night all around.
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Post by Seakazoo on Nov 12, 2017 21:28:39 GMT -5
Aren't the SJWs the same people who say we need to believe every woman every time they level any accusation against anybody? And if we don't we're no better than the rapists? Yay feminism. SJW trash claim there's no such thing as a false accusation. It's disgusting. Those people are happy to DOX anyone who disagrees with them and they celebrate ruining careers and lives. I've read a lot of stuff from their camp on the "hate crime hoaxes" subreddit. They make shit up and it totally negates the whole point they were trying to make in the first place.
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Post by daniel on Nov 12, 2017 22:24:14 GMT -5
Seakazoo Yep, the SJWs totally don't believe there is a "false accusation" but even Anna had to backpedal when a false accuser admitted it was a lie to get payback. She said those were one-off situations and that person obviously needed help, or that they were facing so much backlash, it was easier to just deny the false assault ever happened. That's why it's more ironic she dropped the "I regret sex, I'm claiming rape" on me when she was mad I broke up with her the next day. The real and serious issue is that their camp has essentially fostered the Victim Mentality mindset and told them that if they have ever been a victim in any way shape or form, they belong to a special group. One of the things I vaguely recall when I was majoring in social psychology briefly was my professor teaching group and community think/a sense of belonging. If someone feels like an outcast, they're going to latch on the moment they find a group they can belong. This will magnify both their feelings beyond what is a reasonable level, and likely lead to embellishment of different situations and can lead to radicalization if their goal is to move up within the group. I have a tran friend I've known since my freshman year of high school who was once called a name (the actual quote was "He, she, it, whatever") by a famous musician ~10 years ago. The friend of mine was conducting a business that more or less catered to musicians. The musician didn't like a customized project my friend made, and my friend, the predictable drama llama, decided to take out their frustration on a very public platform in a very unprofessional way. I think the musician was a jerk by calling them "it," but they were both assholes in that situation. However, my friend still clings to that story and brings it up every few months when they are trying to drum up the "look at me, I'm such a victim - he's the bad guy" parade. I am not trying to be a callous jerk by any means, but if you saw their posts, you would understand it serves no purpose other than to say "I am a victim, I was bullied, someone famous called me a name, please send me money for my kickstarter because I don't want to get an actual job." As someone who has gone up and down on the weight scale, I've been subject to ridicule by my peers on many occasions over my body. It's life. It happens. I don't know if I really see the value in constantly reminding everyone that some asshole named Henry once suggested I wear a bra when I was in high school. Who gives a shit. People are assholes, it doesn't change who I am or lessen my self-respect and self-worth, but if I went and telegraphed to the world that someone called me a name and it challenged who I am as a person, I would fully expect people to tell me I probably need to go to therapy to talk out and address my issues. Doxing is just an extension of all that. Make someone who was an asshole one time a target, sic your group on them, it legitimizes everything in the victim's eyes and keeps them focused on the bullies rather than taking a look in the proverbial mirror. I'm absolutely in the "don't let people drag you down, tune them out and get your shit done" camp. I of all people have experienced enough trauma, abuse, and ridicule that I could easily hang with the Eternal Victim group, but I realized quickly that won't net me anything in life. Life is simpler than that - you either telegraph positivity, or negativity, and it will attract the right or wrong people to your world, respectively. Ironically, [Jim] always reminds me "it's not just that simple," and I tell him "You're right, it's not - so go live life in Easy mode and take and appreciate and be happy for whatever it is you get, because you'll never earn anything that way." Doomsday lol. That's another example of why people are up in arms about SJWs. The real issue is that the SJWs don't seem to acknowledge they're actually wanting us to start filtering speech (actual fascism) and turning "innocent until proven guilty" around. It's like when my parents want religion to dictate the law, but I tell them that's a slippery slope because the day could come that their religion isn't the "right" one, and then they're subject to, what, Sharia/Hindi/Buddhist law? Same with the SJWs - they want speech censored to their liking, but what if tie pendulum swings and suddenly it's their ideas and words which we deem abusive and outlawed? How would they feel? It's maddening. No one should be afraid of discourse. If someone wants to call me racial slurs and homophobic names, let them - I have no problem telling them what's not cool about that, and if they want to remain an asshole and miss out on relationships with people they don't like, so be it. No one is forcing us to all get along and live our lives together. The "we need to stomp out Nazis" thing happening right now is entirely eye-rolling. Our American society will never allow genocide of an entire people group, so this whole fear that Nazis are being legitimized and becoming an actual force is asinine. The few Nazis out there are small bands of trolls, just like the Victim Mentality crowd. If you ignore them, they won't have a cause to band together against and will eventually go away when real, everyday life gets going along. If Antifa really wanted to make a difference, they would target countries with laws against women, gays, and certain ethnicities/religions. Hitler is not rising here. Trump is not shaping our country into the Third Reich. Ugh, I need to stop, I could go on forever.
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Post by daniel on Nov 21, 2017 21:42:24 GMT -5
I'm not hitting the play button - I have 0 interest in anything Sarah Silverman has to say about anything.
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My grandpa stormed the beaches at D-Day. He was in France and Germany for the remainder of the war.
He's almost as much of a hero as this woman.
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Since I just pasted that same comment on the article, now would also be a good time for me to admit the person I figured out the other name for is Dracula on AVclub
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Since I just pasted that same comment on the article, now would also be a good time for me to admit the person I figured out the other name for is Dracula on AVclub Ha! Just found your comment. You already got a couple pretty salty replies.
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Since I just pasted that same comment on the article, now would also be a good time for me to admit the person I figured out the other name for is Dracula on AVclub That site and its comment section have deteriorated sooooo far.
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Since I just pasted that same comment on the article, now would also be a good time for me to admit the person I figured out the other name for is Dracula on AVclub That site and its comment section have deteriorated sooooo far. With the GMG merger, lots of the old Gawkerites spread out, and their replacements from Splinter are largely trash. Deadspin's commentariat still throws some fastballs every once in a while.
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He deserves any shit that gets levelled at him, but the terminology in the article is cringeworthy to the extreme.
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Taken down already.
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